I agree with Shoal, there is little to do ingame other than kill mobs after mobs in increasing numbers as you level up. The game is good don't get me wrong, just little to do than kill Bane. From level 1 to lvl 35 now and it wears VERY thin and the upper level content seems somewhat uninspited at best. For example, when you blows up a Predator or Juggernaut, it's like they were made of paper all along...no loud exposion, no concussion wave, no smoke, no stunning visual that informs you that you just did something really impressive....the result time after time is a one second pop effect with very little awe and you pick up the loot left from it and move on to the next lame target.
I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.
Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
I agree with Shoal, there is little to do ingame other than kill mobs after mobs in increasing numbers as you level up. The game is good don't get me wrong, just little to do than kill Bane. From level 1 to lvl 35 now and it wears VERY thin and the upper level content seems somewhat uninspited at best. For example, when you blows up a Predator or Juggernaut, it's like they were made of paper all along...no loud exposion, no concussion wave, no smoke, no stunning visual that informs you that you just did something really impressive....the result time after time is a one second pop effect with very little awe and you pick up the loot left from it and move on to the next lame target.
I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.
Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
A child? I called you out for talking about what you knew nothing about and you just proved I was right. You have seen one predator get destoryed and you witnessed it from afar and suddenly you are on these boards going on about how "from level 1 to lvl35 now" like you were a lvl35 player. You can NOT have gotten to 35 and only witnessed one predator get blown up from afar and you sure as well would know they knockback in a big explosion.
Let me explain this in really simple terms.
I once witnessed a dog chasing a car down the street and trying to eat its tire. Does that make me an expert on dogs? Should I go to dogs.com and talk about how all dogs a crazy car chasing maniacs that eat rubber? Do you think dog lovers around the world that know the truth would just let me say that as my opinion on the forums and not call me on it as someone that didn't know what they were talking about? Of course not!
The same holds true here.
Further more...what you did is a classic troll move. I called a spade a spade. That does not make me a child....well except that kids do tend to call people on their BS instead of sugar coating it...maybe that's what you were referring to ?
In fact... I'm gonna build my own Sci-Fi MMO... Who's with me?
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
In fact... I'm gonna build my own Sci-Fi MMO... Who's with me?
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.
Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
In fact... I'm gonna build my own Sci-Fi MMO... Who's with me?
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.
Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
My team consists of 2 people. We've been in development for 2 years. The engine is nearing completion. All we're doing now is finishing up the dx10 port from dx9. Also have to write some new network code.
Then we'll begin on content. Estimate production time from then on is around 3 years till working beta release.
Both of us have jobs in out professions. Me a 3D artist and programmer. She a 2D artist and graphic designer. We make enough to have a plentiful living. As a hobby we desided to make a game.. and it's going quite well. We scaled back our hours comfortably to afford any entertainment and bills as well as yearly vacations. With that free time we split it between gaming and game developing. Once a week we go out and spend no time on the computers that day (a mutual day off from work).
You clearly don't understand what a developer at heart is. You're thinking to corporate. Do you want to make a game with a soul or just bank billions? You sound like you want to be a billionaire. Have at it by all means.
Getting a loan from the bank won't control your product. There is no written contract between you and them that gives them ownership of your game. Unless that is agreed upon between you and them for lower monthly rates. Investors is partial ownership. They OWN part of product.. so they have a say in the product. There is also written legal documents ensuring this stands true between you and the investors. No investor is dumb enough to invest large sums of money into a product they have no control over. That's idiotic to think otherwise. Also if you manage to win the lottery you'll have that capital. Untill then you'll need an alternative. A loan is your best bet. Set up something with the bank to pay them back when your product hits store shelves. This can be a hefty payoff right on the release of your product, but it's a better option then letting investors touch your product. You want examples of investors getting into the honey jar? Look all around you at all the failed products. Pre-mature releases because the investors feel it's ready and want their paychecks.
I'm DOING it. So please don't tell me how it's done. I've got experience. You've got speculation.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
In fact... I'm gonna build my own Sci-Fi MMO... Who's with me?
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.
Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
"Everyone takes the limits of his own vision for the limits of the world."
Originally posted by kjfett It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
Or hes playing on the absolute lowest settings and has the animations turned off - and then complaining about the lack of animation
In fact... I'm gonna build my own Sci-Fi MMO... Who's with me?
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.
Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
My team consists of 2 people. We've been in development for 2 years. The engine is nearing completion. All we're doing now is finishing up the dx10 port from dx9. Also have to write some new network code.
Then we'll begin on content. Estimate production time from then on is around 3 years till working beta release.
Both of us have jobs in out professions. Me a 3D artist and programmer. She a 2D artist and graphic designer. We make enough to have a plentiful living. As a hobby we desided to make a game.. and it's going quite well. We scaled back our hours comfortably to afford any entertainment and bills as well as yearly vacations. With that free time we split it between gaming and game developing. Once a week we go out and spend no time on the computers that day (a mutual day off from work).
You clearly don't understand what a developer at heart is. You're thinking to corporate. Do you want to make a game with a soul or just bank billions? You sound like you want to be a billionaire. Have at it by all means.
Getting a loan from the bank won't control your product. There is no written contract between you and them that gives them ownership of your game. Unless that is agreed upon between you and them for lower monthly rates. Investors is partial ownership. They OWN part of product.. so they have a say in the product. There is also written legal documents ensuring this stands true between you and the investors. No investor is dumb enough to invest large sums of money into a product they have no control over. That's idiotic to think otherwise. Also if you manage to win the lottery you'll have that capital. Untill then you'll need an alternative. A loan is your best bet. Set up something with the bank to pay them back when your product hits store shelves. This can be a hefty payoff right on the release of your product, but it's a better option then letting investors touch your product. You want examples of investors getting into the honey jar? Look all around you at all the failed products. Pre-mature releases because the investors feel it's ready and want their paychecks.
I'm DOING it. So please don't tell me how it's done. I've got experience. You've got speculation.
I am glad you are enjoying your hobby, but you are unwise to assume I don't know what I am talking about and only speculating. You come across as the entrepreneur type. All full of hope and vision and with great big plans ahead. That's great and it'll get a product started, but time and time again, its what results in it's failure once the pressure mounts and the plan merges with reality outside the box it's been kept in.
First off, a major loan from a bank is going to take collateral. Not just in the form of real estate, but in the form of rights to hardware AND software developed with their investment...that's right. the money you borrow is no different than getting investors involved...I know. I deal with banks and corporations that borrow money on a daily basis. They don't give you a loan like your folks do. They want assurances that you can pay them back and if you don't, they want to make sure they get everything they can...including that software you developed on their dime....no, not your dime...theirs. It's theirs till you pay it and interest back in full. See, the only way to be truely be free of the bonds of other's interests is to do it on your own dime without others help.
Furthermore, there are plenty of investors out there willing to invest with little actual oversight and would just as soon just see a check in the mail once the product launches. That you don't go out and find them is only your own fault.
Grants from the government for minority owned (minority race or female owned) to help that are grants, not loans....only strings attached are some government regulations...no paybacks.
You pointed out I was more corporate minded...and that is true. Guys like me are normally the ones called in to clean up a new biz within 3 years of launch after the entrepreneurs got them started and then burned out when the company went from building up to doing day to day things. That's why I pointed out stuff like benefits, taxes and crap like that. You can't ignore those and no matter how good you think you and your partner....hope you don't have problems down the road....partnerships are the worst kind to be in by the way (think LLC)....you will eventually have to bring in help to market, produce, distribute, etc.
if you pull all of that off, get the product on the shelf of major retailers and priced competitvily with just the 2 of you, you will truely be in a very rare class and I personally will buy the game.
You can disagree with that all you like and it's no skin off my back, I live this stuff daily as well and I know there are different ways of doing things. Most of the guys I see crash and burn felt the same way. maybe if they had taken advice and been smarter about running their business like a business instead of a hobby....but eh, don't mind that...you are in it for the fun, not for making a a living. This is only stuff you have to worry about if you actually want to see the box on shelves and money in the bank some day.
This is in reply to the originall post that has long ago been forgotten.
Anyone quiting any game does notmatter how bad for Vanguard automatically loses all credibility and marks themselves as somewhat of a village idiot.
Complaining that an mmo that came out few weeks ago has no end game content is like toddler complaining about the cost of university tuition. If you don;t understand this statement then you are just not ready for an mmo of any kind.
If you reach end game in an mmo within 4 weeks then you should propably re-think the way you play these games couse you miss tons of story & content this way. Only you end up loosing out when you play mmos hardcore like that, especially when you join a new one with a whole new world to experience.
None of these games are for everyone so there is always a chance that you will not like it. Having said that tons of people are liking this game, including myself.
There is no point of anyone telling people that any of these mos are bad or good, they are just different, hell some poeple even have a great time with games like Vanguard and Ryzom. It just goes to show you that diff. pple will like diff. things.
There is really no point in us trying to argue about these things, I will not be able to convince you that this game is good just like you will never convince me that it is bad.
I for one love TR, been playing it since early beta, have max lvl toons etc.. If you have any questiosn about it check out my TR blog located here.
I agree with Shoal, there is little to do ingame other than kill mobs after mobs in increasing numbers as you level up. The game is good don't get me wrong, just little to do than kill Bane. From level 1 to lvl 35 now and it wears VERY thin and the upper level content seems somewhat uninspited at best. For example, when you blows up a Predator or Juggernaut, it's like they were made of paper all along...no loud exposion, no concussion wave, no smoke, no stunning visual that informs you that you just did something really impressive....the result time after time is a one second pop effect with very little awe and you pick up the loot left from it and move on to the next lame target.
I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.
Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
A child? I called you out for talking about what you knew nothing about and you just proved I was right. You have seen one predator get destoryed and you witnessed it from afar and suddenly you are on these boards going on about how "from level 1 to lvl35 now" like you were a lvl35 player. You can NOT have gotten to 35 and only witnessed one predator get blown up from afar and you sure as well would know they knockback in a big explosion.
Let me explain this in really simple terms.
I once witnessed a dog chasing a car down the street and trying to eat its tire. Does that make me an expert on dogs? Should I go to dogs.com and talk about how all dogs a crazy car chasing maniacs that eat rubber? Do you think dog lovers around the world that know the truth would just let me say that as my opinion on the forums and not call me on it as someone that didn't know what they were talking about? Of course not!
The same holds true here.
Further more...what you did is a classic troll move. I called a spade a spade. That does not make me a child....well except that kids do tend to call people on their BS instead of sugar coating it...maybe that's what you were referring to ?
I'll take the high road and not lower my integrity to your level. It's evident that we disagree about this game and we'll get no where on the original topic. Many people see this game as their golden egg while others see it as an unpolished turd, simply put.
MMORPGs with gameplay described as "click, click, click and more click until the mobs dead" EVE-O - check
You are clueless. I killed my last npc 3 months ago and that was becouse it was on the same gate as my fleet. And I play few hours a day, sometimes even more.
Go play second life.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
MMORPGs with gameplay described as "click, click, click and more click until the mobs dead" EVE-O - check
You are clueless. I killed my last npc 3 months ago and that was becouse it was on the same gate as my fleet. And I play few hours a day, sometimes even more.
Go play second life.
I ran the PVP security division of an alliance in EVE for a while. I know how EVE plays.
Sure there are those like you...to afraid to undock and join the rest of the server, but that doesn't change the combat style of the game.
Heck, if I wanted to be even more specific, I could describe combat in EVE as....
Launch drones. Go AFK to watch a movie. Return and jump back to station. Profit.
Okay...not many clicks...but being AFK while the drones do everything still does not qualify as exciting and engaging combat in a scope above and beyond the click click click combat of any other game.
Yeah, I'm clueless...and apparently you are afraid to undock..or you drive some pos that not even a newb would want to pod you.
I agree with Shoal, there is little to do ingame other than kill mobs after mobs in increasing numbers as you level up. The game is good don't get me wrong, just little to do than kill Bane. From level 1 to lvl 35 now and it wears VERY thin and the upper level content seems somewhat uninspited at best. For example, when you blows up a Predator or Juggernaut, it's like they were made of paper all along...no loud exposion, no concussion wave, no smoke, no stunning visual that informs you that you just did something really impressive....the result time after time is a one second pop effect with very little awe and you pick up the loot left from it and move on to the next lame target.
I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.
Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
A child? I called you out for talking about what you knew nothing about and you just proved I was right. You have seen one predator get destoryed and you witnessed it from afar and suddenly you are on these boards going on about how "from level 1 to lvl35 now" like you were a lvl35 player. You can NOT have gotten to 35 and only witnessed one predator get blown up from afar and you sure as well would know they knockback in a big explosion.
Let me explain this in really simple terms.
I once witnessed a dog chasing a car down the street and trying to eat its tire. Does that make me an expert on dogs? Should I go to dogs.com and talk about how all dogs a crazy car chasing maniacs that eat rubber? Do you think dog lovers around the world that know the truth would just let me say that as my opinion on the forums and not call me on it as someone that didn't know what they were talking about? Of course not!
The same holds true here.
Further more...what you did is a classic troll move. I called a spade a spade. That does not make me a child....well except that kids do tend to call people on their BS instead of sugar coating it...maybe that's what you were referring to ?
I'll take the high road and not lower my integrity to your level. It's evident that we disagree about this game and we'll get no where on the original topic. Many people see this game as their golden egg while others see it as an unpolished turd, simply put.
Do you even know what the high road looks like or did you just see it once while in a group 45m away?
Anyway, I guess if you can't back up your claims from earlier all you can do is act like you have some moral highground. If that makes you feel better....still doesn't change the fact that we were correct and you are not.
Do not buy this game its a joke. I convinced 6 of my real life friends to buy it at launch day. After 4 weeks, we managed to make level 40 and we decied to stop subscriptions altogether. It has no content beyond level 30+ You have been warned. All you do is click click click and more click until the mobs dead. You CALL THIS gameplay???
Agreed 100%, TR is empty and has no context at all not to mention their silly level grind fest click-a-thon!
Also strange that you use word "click click, etc", because in this game you act like in fpp - targeting mobs. New content is underway every 2 weeks. This game has much more content than WoW at the launch time. Also there are wars of different clans that are most fun currently.
I still play and love it. Say, how many times you have read mission briefings why are you doing the operation and what is the story behind it?
Tabula Rasa has a great story background and is really a GREAT game. I hope that players that are bored with MMO style already stop talking like "all you do is to click", because every MMO is like that.
Also emotional instability that you have described - you were so inspired the game for 4 weeks (40lvl - so there must have been lots of playing?)
to convince 6 (omg it's six) players from RL to join it and then suddenly one day you say it's all joke...
Sorry, but this is just a strange view of you, not about the game. Besides everyone knows that MMO's are about the community, not about the game itself. There are lots of players playing Tibia (omg what a sucky game, look at that! How they can play it)... The answer is easy - community!
Community in TR is growing fast and strong and to be honest I am very glad that you have quit, you just made it stronger :-)
Anyway I wish you that you find what you are searching for in Vanguard (probably good memories of COMMUNITY members or friends).
Do not buy this game its a joke. I convinced 6 of my real life friends to buy it at launch day. After 4 weeks, we managed to make level 40 and we decied to stop subscriptions altogether. It has no content beyond level 30+ You have been warned. All you do is click click click and more click until the mobs dead. You CALL THIS gameplay???
Agreed 100%, TR is empty and has no context at all not to mention their silly level grind fest click-a-thon!
Dude, anyone who has been reading the TR section of these forums knows not to believe anything you say. The only reason you are even posting is to TRY and keep people from trying this game.
You stated in an earlier post that your new years resolution was to see to it that TR failed.
I am glad you are enjoying your hobby, but you are unwise to assume I don't know what I am talking about and only speculating. You come across as the entrepreneur type. All full of hope and vision and with great big plans ahead. That's great and it'll get a product started, but time and time again, its what results in it's failure once the pressure mounts and the plan merges with reality outside the box it's been kept in.
First off, a major loan from a bank is going to take collateral. Not just in the form of real estate, but in the form of rights to hardware AND software developed with their investment...that's right. the money you borrow is no different than getting investors involved...I know. I deal with banks and corporations that borrow money on a daily basis. They don't give you a loan like your folks do. They want assurances that you can pay them back and if you don't, they want to make sure they get everything they can...including that software you developed on their dime....no, not your dime...theirs. It's theirs till you pay it and interest back in full. See, the only way to be truely be free of the bonds of other's interests is to do it on your own dime without others help. Furthermore, there are plenty of investors out there willing to invest with little actual oversight and would just as soon just see a check in the mail once the product launches. That you don't go out and find them is only your own fault. Grants from the government for minority owned (minority race or female owned) to help that are grants, not loans....only strings attached are some government regulations...no paybacks. You pointed out I was more corporate minded...and that is true. Guys like me are normally the ones called in to clean up a new biz within 3 years of launch after the entrepreneurs got them started and then burned out when the company went from building up to doing day to day things. That's why I pointed out stuff like benefits, taxes and crap like that. You can't ignore those and no matter how good you think you and your partner....hope you don't have problems down the road....partnerships are the worst kind to be in by the way (think LLC)....you will eventually have to bring in help to market, produce, distribute, etc. if you pull all of that off, get the product on the shelf of major retailers and priced competitvily with just the 2 of you, you will truely be in a very rare class and I personally will buy the game.
You can disagree with that all you like and it's no skin off my back, I live this stuff daily as well and I know there are different ways of doing things. Most of the guys I see crash and burn felt the same way. maybe if they had taken advice and been smarter about running their business like a business instead of a hobby....but eh, don't mind that...you are in it for the fun, not for making a a living. This is only stuff you have to worry about if you actually want to see the box on shelves and money in the bank some day.
It depends on how it's done and what stakes you are willing to give up. It also depends on your connections.
I've been with my bank. Literally my entire life. All of management knows me personally. As well as i've done programming work for them. Web design work and created a few 3D renders for them.
I've already discussed my loan with them and they're willing to give me 15million tops unless the team expands. That's 15million for only having 2 employees to help hire more and get a headquaters set up. They also agree to have no hands on with the game nor would they own property rights to it. What they would own is the software, the building, and everything else. We've come to an agreement regardless of the outcome. The game will remain mine.
Obviously if it tanked i'd return whatever money was remaining and have to continue to pay my monthly payments as usual, but the game would remain mine for continued development or possibly selling it off to another company.
Connections can get you a long way and it's good to find those connections. I've also agreed to giving all current employees at the time of release a free copy as well as a life-time subscription for free. (Buddy talked me into that one.. he really wants to play it LOL)
Anyway, what i'm saying is it all comes down to who you know.
Now ATM I don't need the loan, but it's nice knowing that it's available whenever I need it. (The agreement and paperwork is already signed, but the loan will not be officially handed off unless I request it. In which case i'd then have to pay payments. I can also cancel the loan and scrap the entire thing at my desire).
This has gone over much better then I expected and it's a MUUUCH better deal then the investors I've talked to. Investors would have given me more money, but they practically laughed at me when I said they'd have to agree to have no ownership of the product.
I'd have to say i'm fairly lucky to get such a good deal, but the option is there for anyone.. just need to get out in the real world and talk to people. It's something that isn't impossible by any means.. just takes time.
Anyway, i'm done with TR so won't be returning to these boards. Cya.
PS: TR SUX! ROFWAFFLES
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
At 5% interest your monthly payments on a $15 million loan would be over $60,000 a month. Good luck with that.
Don't have to pay untill the product is released. I could pay in lump sum or monthly or both.
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For a unsecured loan (like a credit card overdraft), and at $15million (not a few dollars obviously), and without a solid repayment schedule (WHEN will the game be launched, how much will it sell, and how much will be available for repayment of the principle? how long will it take for the last payment installment to come in? 10 years later? 20? do you know, can you back up your number with something solid enough?), and reportedly to be invested in creating a game by a total indie (imagine the risk factor assigned by the credit analysis department to this loan application), it would be a miracle if the agreed interest rate is 5%. That is +1% over the rate generally paid by tax loan or morgage loan clients. I wish to know which banker you are talking about.
Is your banker high level enough to approve that application? If he is just the local branch manager, he would have a hard time explaining this application to the credit department. $15million is not going to be vet and approved by just 1 officer. It will go high up, and bankers high up will use standard templates to evaluate applications. Unsecured, risky investment, indie developer, wonder which credit manager will look at this application without full alarm. AND talking about $15million.
I do not know if your game is going out of the drawing board, you show no proof. But you model of financing borders on miracle.
For a unsecured loan (like a credit card overdraft), and at $15million (not a few dollars obviously), and without a solid repayment schedule (WHEN will the game be launched, how much will it sell, and how much will be available for repayment of the principle? how long will it take for the last payment installment to come in? 10 years later? 20? do you know, can you back up your number with something solid enough?), and reportedly to be invested in creating a game by a total indie (imagine the risk factor assigned by the credit analysis department to this loan application), it would be a miracle if the agreed interest rate is 5%. That is +1% over the rate generally paid by tax loan or morgage loan clients. I wish to know which banker you are talking about. Is your banker high level enough to approve that application? If he is just the local branch manager, he would have a hard time explaining this application to the credit department. $15million is not going to be vet and approved by just 1 officer. It will go high up, and bankers high up will use standard templates to evaluate applications. Unsecured, risky investment, indie developer, wonder which credit manager will look at this application without full alarm. AND talking about $15million. I do not know if your game is going out of the drawing board, you show no proof. But you model of financing borders on miracle.
Yes they have the proper power to do so.
I'm not going to take 15 million nor do I think i'll need it. My whole point of what I was saying is the option is there. That's NOT impossible to do.
Anyway, i'm done with these boards.. anymore talk of this should be handled in PMs to me.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
Do not buy this game its a joke. I convinced 6 of my real life friends to buy it at launch day. After 4 weeks, we managed to make level 40 and we decied to stop subscriptions altogether. It has no content beyond level 30+ You have been warned. All you do is click click click and more click until the mobs dead. You CALL THIS gameplay???
Agreed 100%, TR is empty and has no context at all not to mention their silly level grind fest click-a-thon!
Dude, anyone who has been reading the TR section of these forums knows not to believe anything you say. The only reason you are even posting is to TRY and keep people from trying this game.
You stated in an earlier post that your new years resolution was to see to it that TR failed.
Thats correct! i will not contribute to Richards new cars, houses and extravegant life style for this piece of poopoo game he has made!
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So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
-- When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather; not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.
I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
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I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
A child? I called you out for talking about what you knew nothing about and you just proved I was right. You have seen one predator get destoryed and you witnessed it from afar and suddenly you are on these boards going on about how "from level 1 to lvl35 now" like you were a lvl35 player. You can NOT have gotten to 35 and only witnessed one predator get blown up from afar and you sure as well would know they knockback in a big explosion.
Let me explain this in really simple terms.
I once witnessed a dog chasing a car down the street and trying to eat its tire. Does that make me an expert on dogs? Should I go to dogs.com and talk about how all dogs a crazy car chasing maniacs that eat rubber? Do you think dog lovers around the world that know the truth would just let me say that as my opinion on the forums and not call me on it as someone that didn't know what they were talking about? Of course not!
The same holds true here.
Further more...what you did is a classic troll move. I called a spade a spade. That does not make me a child....well except that kids do tend to call people on their BS instead of sugar coating it...maybe that's what you were referring to ?
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
My team consists of 2 people. We've been in development for 2 years. The engine is nearing completion. All we're doing now is finishing up the dx10 port from dx9. Also have to write some new network code.
Then we'll begin on content. Estimate production time from then on is around 3 years till working beta release.
Both of us have jobs in out professions. Me a 3D artist and programmer. She a 2D artist and graphic designer. We make enough to have a plentiful living. As a hobby we desided to make a game.. and it's going quite well. We scaled back our hours comfortably to afford any entertainment and bills as well as yearly vacations. With that free time we split it between gaming and game developing. Once a week we go out and spend no time on the computers that day (a mutual day off from work).
You clearly don't understand what a developer at heart is. You're thinking to corporate. Do you want to make a game with a soul or just bank billions? You sound like you want to be a billionaire. Have at it by all means.
Getting a loan from the bank won't control your product. There is no written contract between you and them that gives them ownership of your game. Unless that is agreed upon between you and them for lower monthly rates. Investors is partial ownership. They OWN part of product.. so they have a say in the product. There is also written legal documents ensuring this stands true between you and the investors. No investor is dumb enough to invest large sums of money into a product they have no control over. That's idiotic to think otherwise. Also if you manage to win the lottery you'll have that capital. Untill then you'll need an alternative. A loan is your best bet. Set up something with the bank to pay them back when your product hits store shelves. This can be a hefty payoff right on the release of your product, but it's a better option then letting investors touch your product. You want examples of investors getting into the honey jar? Look all around you at all the failed products. Pre-mature releases because the investors feel it's ready and want their paychecks.
I'm DOING it. So please don't tell me how it's done. I've got experience. You've got speculation.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
It works for TSO lawl.........
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
"Everyone takes the limits of his own vision for the limits of the world."
— Arthur Schopenhauer
Or hes playing on the absolute lowest settings and has the animations turned off - and then complaining about the lack of animation
So, You have about 30 Million dollar extra money, because that is what it takes?
Are You possible 7 years old who thinks he can lift building with one hand?
Whoa... What? 30 million? Well, forget the blackjack and forget the game. I'll just go with the hookers.
You don't need 30million. I've been developing my MMO with $4,000 just to purchase the software needed. It'll cost more later down the road, but presenting a nearly completed MMO to a banker is a guaranteed loan. Yes loan. Investors are bad. They like to "presuade" game changes.
So do bankers. Screw the loan and the investors. If you don't have the capital or the ability to get investors involved that can't control what you do, you shouldn't be getting into it. Furthermore, one guy isn't going to make an MMO. You need employees. Employees need paychecks, benefits, unemployment insurance. not to mention the hassles of creating and running a business that is seperate enough to protect your personal life and still generate revenue. Ohh, and don't forget to pay yourself. See..suddenly that 4 years worth of work takes a lot more than $4K and a loan from the local Bank of America.Buying the software isn't even the first step in that marathon and if you think it is.....you are in for a rude awakening and a lot of disappointments.
My team consists of 2 people. We've been in development for 2 years. The engine is nearing completion. All we're doing now is finishing up the dx10 port from dx9. Also have to write some new network code.
Then we'll begin on content. Estimate production time from then on is around 3 years till working beta release.
Both of us have jobs in out professions. Me a 3D artist and programmer. She a 2D artist and graphic designer. We make enough to have a plentiful living. As a hobby we desided to make a game.. and it's going quite well. We scaled back our hours comfortably to afford any entertainment and bills as well as yearly vacations. With that free time we split it between gaming and game developing. Once a week we go out and spend no time on the computers that day (a mutual day off from work).
You clearly don't understand what a developer at heart is. You're thinking to corporate. Do you want to make a game with a soul or just bank billions? You sound like you want to be a billionaire. Have at it by all means.
Getting a loan from the bank won't control your product. There is no written contract between you and them that gives them ownership of your game. Unless that is agreed upon between you and them for lower monthly rates. Investors is partial ownership. They OWN part of product.. so they have a say in the product. There is also written legal documents ensuring this stands true between you and the investors. No investor is dumb enough to invest large sums of money into a product they have no control over. That's idiotic to think otherwise. Also if you manage to win the lottery you'll have that capital. Untill then you'll need an alternative. A loan is your best bet. Set up something with the bank to pay them back when your product hits store shelves. This can be a hefty payoff right on the release of your product, but it's a better option then letting investors touch your product. You want examples of investors getting into the honey jar? Look all around you at all the failed products. Pre-mature releases because the investors feel it's ready and want their paychecks.
I'm DOING it. So please don't tell me how it's done. I've got experience. You've got speculation.
I am glad you are enjoying your hobby, but you are unwise to assume I don't know what I am talking about and only speculating. You come across as the entrepreneur type. All full of hope and vision and with great big plans ahead. That's great and it'll get a product started, but time and time again, its what results in it's failure once the pressure mounts and the plan merges with reality outside the box it's been kept in.First off, a major loan from a bank is going to take collateral. Not just in the form of real estate, but in the form of rights to hardware AND software developed with their investment...that's right. the money you borrow is no different than getting investors involved...I know. I deal with banks and corporations that borrow money on a daily basis. They don't give you a loan like your folks do. They want assurances that you can pay them back and if you don't, they want to make sure they get everything they can...including that software you developed on their dime....no, not your dime...theirs. It's theirs till you pay it and interest back in full. See, the only way to be truely be free of the bonds of other's interests is to do it on your own dime without others help.
Furthermore, there are plenty of investors out there willing to invest with little actual oversight and would just as soon just see a check in the mail once the product launches. That you don't go out and find them is only your own fault.
Grants from the government for minority owned (minority race or female owned) to help that are grants, not loans....only strings attached are some government regulations...no paybacks.
You pointed out I was more corporate minded...and that is true. Guys like me are normally the ones called in to clean up a new biz within 3 years of launch after the entrepreneurs got them started and then burned out when the company went from building up to doing day to day things. That's why I pointed out stuff like benefits, taxes and crap like that. You can't ignore those and no matter how good you think you and your partner....hope you don't have problems down the road....partnerships are the worst kind to be in by the way (think LLC)....you will eventually have to bring in help to market, produce, distribute, etc.
if you pull all of that off, get the product on the shelf of major retailers and priced competitvily with just the 2 of you, you will truely be in a very rare class and I personally will buy the game.
You can disagree with that all you like and it's no skin off my back, I live this stuff daily as well and I know there are different ways of doing things. Most of the guys I see crash and burn felt the same way. maybe if they had taken advice and been smarter about running their business like a business instead of a hobby....but eh, don't mind that...you are in it for the fun, not for making a a living. This is only stuff you have to worry about if you actually want to see the box on shelves and money in the bank some day.
This is in reply to the originall post that has long ago been forgotten.
Anyone quiting any game does notmatter how bad for Vanguard automatically loses all credibility and marks themselves as somewhat of a village idiot.
Complaining that an mmo that came out few weeks ago has no end game content is like toddler complaining about the cost of university tuition. If you don;t understand this statement then you are just not ready for an mmo of any kind.
If you reach end game in an mmo within 4 weeks then you should propably re-think the way you play these games couse you miss tons of story & content this way. Only you end up loosing out when you play mmos hardcore like that, especially when you join a new one with a whole new world to experience.
None of these games are for everyone so there is always a chance that you will not like it. Having said that tons of people are liking this game, including myself.
There is no point of anyone telling people that any of these mos are bad or good, they are just different, hell some poeple even have a great time with games like Vanguard and Ryzom. It just goes to show you that diff. pple will like diff. things.
There is really no point in us trying to argue about these things, I will not be able to convince you that this game is good just like you will never convince me that it is bad.
I for one love TR, been playing it since early beta, have max lvl toons etc.. If you have any questiosn about it check out my TR blog located here.
I hope you find a game that fits you !
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I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
A child? I called you out for talking about what you knew nothing about and you just proved I was right. You have seen one predator get destoryed and you witnessed it from afar and suddenly you are on these boards going on about how "from level 1 to lvl35 now" like you were a lvl35 player. You can NOT have gotten to 35 and only witnessed one predator get blown up from afar and you sure as well would know they knockback in a big explosion.
Let me explain this in really simple terms.
I once witnessed a dog chasing a car down the street and trying to eat its tire. Does that make me an expert on dogs? Should I go to dogs.com and talk about how all dogs a crazy car chasing maniacs that eat rubber? Do you think dog lovers around the world that know the truth would just let me say that as my opinion on the forums and not call me on it as someone that didn't know what they were talking about? Of course not!
The same holds true here.
Further more...what you did is a classic troll move. I called a spade a spade. That does not make me a child....well except that kids do tend to call people on their BS instead of sugar coating it...maybe that's what you were referring to ?
I'll take the high road and not lower my integrity to your level. It's evident that we disagree about this game and we'll get no where on the original topic. Many people see this game as their golden egg while others see it as an unpolished turd, simply put.
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You are clueless. I killed my last npc 3 months ago and that was becouse it was on the same gate as my fleet. And I play few hours a day, sometimes even more.
Go play second life.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
You are clueless. I killed my last npc 3 months ago and that was becouse it was on the same gate as my fleet. And I play few hours a day, sometimes even more.
Go play second life.
I ran the PVP security division of an alliance in EVE for a while. I know how EVE plays.Sure there are those like you...to afraid to undock and join the rest of the server, but that doesn't change the combat style of the game.
Heck, if I wanted to be even more specific, I could describe combat in EVE as....
Launch drones. Go AFK to watch a movie. Return and jump back to station. Profit.
Okay...not many clicks...but being AFK while the drones do everything still does not qualify as exciting and engaging combat in a scope above and beyond the click click click combat of any other game.
Yeah, I'm clueless...and apparently you are afraid to undock..or you drive some pos that not even a newb would want to pod you.
I am mystified by this as currently if you kill a predator it crashes flaming to the ground and then explodes, if you're too close to where it falls there's a damage/knockback effect, juggernauts have a number of different ~3 second animations when they are taken down and all visually impressive.
What game are you playing?
enhaxed, good catch...you can always spot the trolls on this board when they claim to be xx lvls and then say bogus BS like what you spoted.Oh, and I don't see how anyone at lvl35 would think the higher lvl content would be uninspired after doing instances like Maligo base in Plateau. That one instance alone is bar none, better than 90% of the instances of any MMO on the market. If higher lvl instances even do as good as that 30ish lvl instance, they promise to be rocking.
It is clear that Diross did not plat this game..and if he did, I doubt he made it past boot camp...as even the predators with their blast waves on explosion are in the first zone.
I'm just reporting what I experienced while in a group. Don't shoot my posting down nor call ppl names like a child just because I report what occured at the time. I was about 45m from the predator. I'm in no way a fanboy here, just providing my experience on an unbiased basis. I don't have a stake in the game whether is fails or succeeds.
A child? I called you out for talking about what you knew nothing about and you just proved I was right. You have seen one predator get destoryed and you witnessed it from afar and suddenly you are on these boards going on about how "from level 1 to lvl35 now" like you were a lvl35 player. You can NOT have gotten to 35 and only witnessed one predator get blown up from afar and you sure as well would know they knockback in a big explosion.
Let me explain this in really simple terms.
I once witnessed a dog chasing a car down the street and trying to eat its tire. Does that make me an expert on dogs? Should I go to dogs.com and talk about how all dogs a crazy car chasing maniacs that eat rubber? Do you think dog lovers around the world that know the truth would just let me say that as my opinion on the forums and not call me on it as someone that didn't know what they were talking about? Of course not!
The same holds true here.
Further more...what you did is a classic troll move. I called a spade a spade. That does not make me a child....well except that kids do tend to call people on their BS instead of sugar coating it...maybe that's what you were referring to ?
I'll take the high road and not lower my integrity to your level. It's evident that we disagree about this game and we'll get no where on the original topic. Many people see this game as their golden egg while others see it as an unpolished turd, simply put.
Do you even know what the high road looks like or did you just see it once while in a group 45m away?
Anyway, I guess if you can't back up your claims from earlier all you can do is act like you have some moral highground. If that makes you feel better....still doesn't change the fact that we were correct and you are not.
Agreed 100%, TR is empty and has no context at all not to mention their silly level grind fest click-a-thon!
It's easy, this game is not for you.
Also strange that you use word "click click, etc", because in this game you act like in fpp - targeting mobs. New content is underway every 2 weeks. This game has much more content than WoW at the launch time. Also there are wars of different clans that are most fun currently.
I still play and love it. Say, how many times you have read mission briefings why are you doing the operation and what is the story behind it?
Tabula Rasa has a great story background and is really a GREAT game. I hope that players that are bored with MMO style already stop talking like "all you do is to click", because every MMO is like that.
Also emotional instability that you have described - you were so inspired the game for 4 weeks (40lvl - so there must have been lots of playing?)
to convince 6 (omg it's six) players from RL to join it and then suddenly one day you say it's all joke...
Sorry, but this is just a strange view of you, not about the game. Besides everyone knows that MMO's are about the community, not about the game itself. There are lots of players playing Tibia (omg what a sucky game, look at that! How they can play it)... The answer is easy - community!
Community in TR is growing fast and strong and to be honest I am very glad that you have quit, you just made it stronger :-)
Anyway I wish you that you find what you are searching for in Vanguard (probably good memories of COMMUNITY members or friends).
Have fun!
Agreed 100%, TR is empty and has no context at all not to mention their silly level grind fest click-a-thon!
Dude, anyone who has been reading the TR section of these forums knows not to believe anything you say. The only reason you are even posting is to TRY and keep people from trying this game.
You stated in an earlier post that your new years resolution was to see to it that TR failed.
the games been out for a month? what happens to every MMO? they all get new content.. give it a chance and just wait broham
you'll get satisfied 
I've been with my bank. Literally my entire life. All of management knows me personally. As well as i've done programming work for them. Web design work and created a few 3D renders for them.
I've already discussed my loan with them and they're willing to give me 15million tops unless the team expands. That's 15million for only having 2 employees to help hire more and get a headquaters set up. They also agree to have no hands on with the game nor would they own property rights to it. What they would own is the software, the building, and everything else. We've come to an agreement regardless of the outcome. The game will remain mine.
Obviously if it tanked i'd return whatever money was remaining and have to continue to pay my monthly payments as usual, but the game would remain mine for continued development or possibly selling it off to another company.
Connections can get you a long way and it's good to find those connections. I've also agreed to giving all current employees at the time of release a free copy as well as a life-time subscription for free. (Buddy talked me into that one.. he really wants to play it LOL)
Anyway, what i'm saying is it all comes down to who you know.
Now ATM I don't need the loan, but it's nice knowing that it's available whenever I need it. (The agreement and paperwork is already signed, but the loan will not be officially handed off unless I request it. In which case i'd then have to pay payments. I can also cancel the loan and scrap the entire thing at my desire).
This has gone over much better then I expected and it's a MUUUCH better deal then the investors I've talked to. Investors would have given me more money, but they practically laughed at me when I said they'd have to agree to have no ownership of the product.
I'd have to say i'm fairly lucky to get such a good deal, but the option is there for anyone.. just need to get out in the real world and talk to people. It's something that isn't impossible by any means.. just takes time.
Anyway, i'm done with TR so won't be returning to these boards. Cya.
PS: TR SUX! ROFWAFFLES
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
At 5% interest your monthly payments on a $15 million loan would be over $60,000 a month. Good luck with that.
Don't have to pay untill the product is released. I could pay in lump sum or monthly or both.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
For a unsecured loan (like a credit card overdraft), and at $15million (not a few dollars obviously), and without a solid repayment schedule (WHEN will the game be launched, how much will it sell, and how much will be available for repayment of the principle? how long will it take for the last payment installment to come in? 10 years later? 20? do you know, can you back up your number with something solid enough?), and reportedly to be invested in creating a game by a total indie (imagine the risk factor assigned by the credit analysis department to this loan application), it would be a miracle if the agreed interest rate is 5%. That is +1% over the rate generally paid by tax loan or morgage loan clients. I wish to know which banker you are talking about.
Is your banker high level enough to approve that application? If he is just the local branch manager, he would have a hard time explaining this application to the credit department. $15million is not going to be vet and approved by just 1 officer. It will go high up, and bankers high up will use standard templates to evaluate applications. Unsecured, risky investment, indie developer, wonder which credit manager will look at this application without full alarm. AND talking about $15million.
I do not know if your game is going out of the drawing board, you show no proof. But you model of financing borders on miracle.
I'm not going to take 15 million nor do I think i'll need it. My whole point of what I was saying is the option is there. That's NOT impossible to do.
Anyway, i'm done with these boards.. anymore talk of this should be handled in PMs to me.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
Agreed 100%, TR is empty and has no context at all not to mention their silly level grind fest click-a-thon!
Dude, anyone who has been reading the TR section of these forums knows not to believe anything you say. The only reason you are even posting is to TRY and keep people from trying this game.
You stated in an earlier post that your new years resolution was to see to it that TR failed.
Thats correct! i will not contribute to Richards new cars, houses and extravegant life style for this piece of poopoo game he has made!