Destroying Everquest with forced-raiding Destroying SWG Now allowing gold sellers Introducing a card game in which you can buy, for real money, cards Now selling-out to India
Is now the time to boycott SOE?
My theory: The card game thing and allowing gold sellers was an attempt to raise revenue to avoid selling-off to India. Selling to India can be good. Can be bad. That is not the question.
I should have included Vanguard as a strong title. And I will say this: SWG is simply the most immersive, creative, innovative and overall brilliant MMORPG I have ever played. Believe it or not. So, SOE has more strong titles than EQ 2.
Why would you boycott a game because they see themselves making more money if they allow gold sellers. Selling to India they are spread their game to a more world wide market. The card game more money in there pockets. Key phrase money talks in this world BS walks.
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I have been boycotting SOE for a couple years now lol. Screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me.
Why? What is your gripe with SOE, since we are on the subject?
Do tell.
[As an aside, I have notice a lot of missing reasoning. Real-life is not an A, B, C, or D for all of the above answer. You must explain, support, defend, and argue for your reasoning. Statements in business, government, even in public Universities will require, "I am boycotting SOE because ...."]
We need more reasoning, more explanations, less hide-the-ball around here.
How do you figure that?
First response would be to take a college "Logic" course. Then tell me how much reason is actually shown in a logical arguement.
Beyond that game play is subjective thus it would be hard to use reasoning. You can't make an objective statement about a subjective topic.
and lastly.... the person stated they have been boycotting SOE for a couple years.
I suppose you were just being sarcastic and wanted them to spell out the fact... that they quit playing SOE games when the CU came out in SWG..
There really isn't any reason to Boycott SOE. If they make a game you enjoy... then you'd most likely play it. If they don't offer anything you'd enjoy.. then why would you pay for it?
They totally screwed up SWG (in my opinion). Yet if they released a game I actually enjoyed.. I'd play it.
I mean it seems pretty simple to me in the end. Why would you pay for anything you don't personally enjoy and why would you not play something you do enjoy because it says SOE on it... Beyond that asking people to universally Boycott a company... would pretty much require them all to have your point of view.
Where have you been? Of course they should be boycotted. I have been boycotting them since they ruined classic EQ. Besides screwing players left and right on almost every game they control, they now want to make RMT transactions standard practice in MMOGs and completely destroy the genre.
I have been boycotting SoE for a while now. It's easy because I don't want to play any of their shitty games anyway. That's their whole scam. We'll give you half a dozen shitty games we run on the bare minimum for the low low price of 25 dollars a month! Woo hoo!
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
If anyone doesn't know how Vanguard's key assets were "acquired", then they should do some research [ don't let me or anyone else mislead you find out for yourself ] and THEN come back here and tell everyone why they *shouldn't* be boycotted.
The only thing that could possibly be interesting would be a trial of vanguard since I have no intention of paying for junk until I know it's not. plus they need to prove it's not an EQ grind fest and actually a sandbox.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
The only thing that could possibly be interesting would be a trial of vanguard since I have no intention of paying for junk until I know it's not. plus they need to prove it's not an EQ grind fest and actually a sandbox.
SOE fired almost everyone from the Sigil team on the spot when they took over Vanguard in one day.
I'm not a fan of Sigil, some aspects of Vanguard are good, but other sucked.
Do you people seriously spend the majority of your day to find reasons to {CENSORED} about SOE?
Do you people even play any SOE games... seriously.
I've played VG and now playing EQ2 again. SOE has done an outstanding job. I'd be playing VG, but my GFs horrid computer can't run it.. so we are playing EQ2 instead. Both VERY fun to play. I can't speak for the other games, because they arn't my style. I've played them and enjoyed them in the past.. probably would be the same now.
The India crap was a rumor and you're a complete moron to buy into something like that.. that's just absurdly dumb as hell.
What's wrong with LON? You don't HAVE to buy cards. The option to buy cards is available for those that don't have an EQ1/EQ2 account.. this allows them to still enjoy the game. I find it VERY fun, but that's just me.. I've only bought 1 starter pack.. the rest I bought in-game for cheap as dirt. So if you're buying them with RL money then smack your self for being dumb like I did.
You people keep crying about SE servers.. they're trying to do something other companies don't have the balls to do. They're literally trying to please everyone. Some people like to buy items.. what's wrong with that? Just because you're jealous of the extra financial wealth doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do what brings them joy in a game. You people act like SOE is turning every server into an SE.. they arn't.. in the beginning they was going to, but the players voices reached them and they decided to just make SE servers.. they tried something new.. the players spoke out.. SOE listened.. WTF IS THE PROBLEM?.. besides you being a whiny {CENSORED}
Grow the {CENSORED} up people.. just because SOE isn't conforming to all your nitpick needs doesn't mean there is anything wrong.. there games are fun and if you don't enjoy them.. DON'T PLAY THEM!
Forced EQ2 raiding? WHAT? -ROFWAFFLES- I'm a necromancer and solo/duo 100% of the time.. you don't need to raid unless you want to raid.. you don't need raid gear to enjoy the game or to play it completely.. player skill comes into play A LOT in this game.. 1 wrong move on certain classes will cost you a repair bill. Raiding certainly isn't forced.. 4yr account.. 3.2yrs of it active.. i've raided twice.. i've done group instances several times, but i'm talking full blown raids. i've only done twice. Far from forced.
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Dont you guyz have something serious to fight for, like starving children, war of terror or iliterate American Politcians? Geez.
As long as I have fun in a game, I couldnt care less what they do in their company or if other players buy entire KINGDOMS for gold or whatever. If everyone would just mind his own friggin buisiness, but NO all must play judge and jury in one person and start witchhunts on trivia. Pathetic.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Now allowing gold sellers- They never have, in fact now its even more counter to their buisness as they have offered servers where people who want to buy crap can go and stay away from everyone else, and would be losing money to gold sellers undercutting them.
Introducing a card game in which you can buy, for real money, cards- Protip: Magic the gathering online did this too. Its not new. Its a dumb model, but at least they gave the option of getting card packs through in-game drops.
Sony haters crack me up. I think ulitmately they are really anti-establishment, anti-big business haters of which applies to Sony completely. Business requirements sometimes fly in the face of hard core fans but these decisions need to be made to keep shareholders whole. Th reality for me is:
EQ is still a good game for being as old as it is. i admit that I am not really playing it any more but I have always liked it.
EQ 2 is a solid game and fun. I enjoy it and that is what matters. it is stable and fun to play. The expansions, for the most part, have been worth it.
Vanguard: was crap at launch and I was as pissed as anyone as to how that game came out. However, whether it be a consipracy by SOE to ruin Sigil or Sigil not getting it done right the game is NOW in a playable state since SOE stepping in. I jumped back in recently to find it more fun then most of the other MMOs around. What shocked me is I even found people at mid-low levels to group with. people are coming back to this game. Sony has made it playable and fun. It is NOT 100% bug free yet but no MMO is.
LON: Been done elsewhere and if you are playing EQ 2 you can get card drops in game. No uber- plot or bad business going on with this as far as i can tell. (SOE mafia led by Smed is out to get ya...hahah)
SWG: I know the hard core fans liked it the way it was. I have been playing this with my young son though, who is a Star Wars fantatic, and it has been a blast. Much easier for him to understand with the changes and a stable game.
I get the bang for my buck out of my station pass and as a gamer that is what I am after. I have played every major MMO release since M59 so I do actually have a clue too.
Buy out: It cracked me up how quickly people jumped on this rumor wagon. It is not reality.
I lump these threads in the same steaming pile as the "WOW clone" threads.
Bottom line: you will like some games and will hate some games based on personal taste (I don't want to play EVE for instance) but the fact you don't like a game does not make a company the ulitmate conspirator in the devastation of the MMO genre!
Originally posted by Kordesh Now allowing gold sellers- They never have, in fact now its even more counter to their buisness as they have offered servers where people who want to buy crap can go and stay away from everyone else, and would be losing money to gold sellers undercutting them.
That's not true at all.
-They have given a job to the CEO of IGE. You know what IGE does right? It's only the biggest gold selling website around. That's pretty hard to condone.
-They introduced LoN (Legends of Norrath) which enables you to trade items for cash. They even changed EULA for that to allow LoN - $ trading offline.
-Smedley has been talking about virtual trading for years now.
-They were planning to make EVERY EQ2 server a virtual 'trade for cash' server, it was only AFTER people opposed to it that the idea was changed to a few servers.
Your point doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.
EQ is still a good game for being as old as it is. i admit that I am not really playing it any more but I have always liked it.
Don't say that unless you still have a running account for it.
EQ is nothing anymore. It is FULL of hackers / botters and people that 2box. People mostly raid and crash for the night. EQ is long dead. The servers are huge wastelands of nothing.
Anyone claiming otherwise need to chill on the cool-aid.
wow, this isnt even beating a dead horse. its like beating the fifth or sixth dead horse. if you dont like soe games play something else. what you think your gonna get some kinda boston tea party or something? These posts are getting old.
-They have given a job to the CEO of IGE. You know what IGE does right? It's only the biggest gold selling website around. That's pretty hard to condone.
It's a cold business decision. If you were about to go into implementing a RMT system into your game, who would you hire? Some random person, or someone who's been dealing with RMT in your games from the start. Personally, I think IGE can suck on it, but from a business perspective, it made sense, and SOE is all about business.
-They introduced LoN (Legends of Norrath) which enables you to trade items for cash. They even changed EULA for that to allow LoN - $ trading offline.
Did you read the rest of my post? You can buy cards for cash from Sony. Why wouldn't you be able to buy cards from other players? Magic Online does the exact same damn thing. RMT in a card game is NOT the same as RMT in an MMO.
-Smedley has been talking about virtual trading for years now.
So? So have a lot of people, and it appears those talks did come to fruition, in their RMT system for EQ2.
-They were planning to make EVERY EQ2 server a virtual 'trade for cash' server, it was only AFTER people opposed to it that the idea was changed to a few servers.
But they're NOT all trade for cash servers. They listened, and it never happened. I'm sure there are a lot of companies who have wanted to do a ton of shitty things to make a buck, but unless they actually followed through with them, you can't really condemn them for something they haven't done.
Don't get me wrong, I hate how SoE treats their customers and I am not a fan of their business practice, but your factual argument is weak, and boils down purely to Sony hate.
Originally posted by candygirl6 Originally posted by dougmysticey EQ is still a good game for being as old as it is. i admit that I am not really playing it any more but I have always liked it.
Don't say that unless you still have a running account for it.
EQ is nothing anymore. It is FULL of hackers / botters and people that 2box. People mostly raid and crash for the night. EQ is long dead. The servers are huge wastelands of nothing. Anyone claiming otherwise need to chill on the cool-aid.
There is nothing wrong with Two-Boxing. People do it all the time in WoW, LOTRO, EVE, Vanturd, etc.....
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Why would you boycott a game because they see themselves making more money if they allow gold sellers. Selling to India they are spread their game to a more world wide market. The card game more money in there pockets. Key phrase money talks in this world BS walks.
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"America is not at war, the US Military is at war, America is at the mall."
Do tell.
[As an aside, I have notice a lot of missing reasoning. Real-life is not an A, B, C, or D for all of the above answer. You must explain, support, defend, and argue for your reasoning. Statements in business, government, even in public Universities will require, "I am boycotting SOE because ...."]
We need more reasoning, more explanations, less hide-the-ball around here.
How do you figure that?
First response would be to take a college "Logic" course. Then tell me how much reason is actually shown in a logical arguement.
Beyond that game play is subjective thus it would be hard to use reasoning. You can't make an objective statement about a subjective topic.
and lastly.... the person stated they have been boycotting SOE for a couple years.
I suppose you were just being sarcastic and wanted them to spell out the fact... that they quit playing SOE games when the CU came out in SWG..
There really isn't any reason to Boycott SOE. If they make a game you enjoy... then you'd most likely play it. If they don't offer anything you'd enjoy.. then why would you pay for it?
They totally screwed up SWG (in my opinion). Yet if they released a game I actually enjoyed.. I'd play it.
I mean it seems pretty simple to me in the end. Why would you pay for anything you don't personally enjoy and why would you not play something you do enjoy because it says SOE on it... Beyond that asking people to universally Boycott a company... would pretty much require them all to have your point of view.
Most people who played a SOE game in the past allready do ( boycott SOE ).
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Funny thing is I myself stop reading your OP when you mentioned boycott.
Where have you been? Of course they should be boycotted. I have been boycotting them since they ruined classic EQ. Besides screwing players left and right on almost every game they control, they now want to make RMT transactions standard practice in MMOGs and completely destroy the genre.
I have been boycotting SoE for a while now. It's easy because I don't want to play any of their shitty games anyway. That's their whole scam. We'll give you half a dozen shitty games we run on the bare minimum for the low low price of 25 dollars a month! Woo hoo!
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
lol =/
They should be boycotted just for how they ruined a great IP Star Wars Galaxy.
All their other crao is just icing on the cake.
Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.
J. R. R. Tolkien
If anyone doesn't know how Vanguard's key assets were "acquired", then they should do some research [ don't let me or anyone else mislead you find out for yourself ] and THEN come back here and tell everyone why they *shouldn't* be boycotted.
No annoying animated GIF here!
The only thing that could possibly be interesting would be a trial of vanguard since I have no intention of paying for junk until I know it's not. plus they need to prove it's not an EQ grind fest and actually a sandbox.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
I'm not a fan of Sigil, some aspects of Vanguard are good, but other sucked.
But now that SOE took over Vanguard? Oh my.
Do you people seriously spend the majority of your day to find reasons to {CENSORED} about SOE?
Do you people even play any SOE games... seriously.
I've played VG and now playing EQ2 again. SOE has done an outstanding job. I'd be playing VG, but my GFs horrid computer can't run it.. so we are playing EQ2 instead. Both VERY fun to play. I can't speak for the other games, because they arn't my style. I've played them and enjoyed them in the past.. probably would be the same now.
The India crap was a rumor and you're a complete moron to buy into something like that.. that's just absurdly dumb as hell.
What's wrong with LON? You don't HAVE to buy cards. The option to buy cards is available for those that don't have an EQ1/EQ2 account.. this allows them to still enjoy the game. I find it VERY fun, but that's just me.. I've only bought 1 starter pack.. the rest I bought in-game for cheap as dirt. So if you're buying them with RL money then smack your self for being dumb like I did.
You people keep crying about SE servers.. they're trying to do something other companies don't have the balls to do. They're literally trying to please everyone. Some people like to buy items.. what's wrong with that? Just because you're jealous of the extra financial wealth doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do what brings them joy in a game. You people act like SOE is turning every server into an SE.. they arn't.. in the beginning they was going to, but the players voices reached them and they decided to just make SE servers.. they tried something new.. the players spoke out.. SOE listened.. WTF IS THE PROBLEM?.. besides you being a whiny {CENSORED}
Grow the {CENSORED} up people.. just because SOE isn't conforming to all your nitpick needs doesn't mean there is anything wrong.. there games are fun and if you don't enjoy them.. DON'T PLAY THEM!
Forced EQ2 raiding? WHAT? -ROFWAFFLES- I'm a necromancer and solo/duo 100% of the time.. you don't need to raid unless you want to raid.. you don't need raid gear to enjoy the game or to play it completely.. player skill comes into play A LOT in this game.. 1 wrong move on certain classes will cost you a repair bill. Raiding certainly isn't forced.. 4yr account.. 3.2yrs of it active.. i've raided twice.. i've done group instances several times, but i'm talking full blown raids. i've only done twice. Far from forced.
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Well said, Krileon.
Dont you guyz have something serious to fight for, like starving children, war of terror or iliterate American Politcians? Geez.
As long as I have fun in a game, I couldnt care less what they do in their company or if other players buy entire KINGDOMS for gold or whatever. If everyone would just mind his own friggin buisiness, but NO all must play judge and jury in one person and start witchhunts on trivia. Pathetic.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Forced raiding? Everquest is a RAID game. Plus i like everquest 1,2 and vanguard to much to hate them
Is there a "No, you're an idiot." option?
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Sony haters crack me up. I think ulitmately they are really anti-establishment, anti-big business haters of which applies to Sony completely. Business requirements sometimes fly in the face of hard core fans but these decisions need to be made to keep shareholders whole. Th reality for me is:
EQ is still a good game for being as old as it is. i admit that I am not really playing it any more but I have always liked it.
EQ 2 is a solid game and fun. I enjoy it and that is what matters. it is stable and fun to play. The expansions, for the most part, have been worth it.
Vanguard: was crap at launch and I was as pissed as anyone as to how that game came out. However, whether it be a consipracy by SOE to ruin Sigil or Sigil not getting it done right the game is NOW in a playable state since SOE stepping in. I jumped back in recently to find it more fun then most of the other MMOs around. What shocked me is I even found people at mid-low levels to group with. people are coming back to this game. Sony has made it playable and fun. It is NOT 100% bug free yet but no MMO is.
LON: Been done elsewhere and if you are playing EQ 2 you can get card drops in game. No uber- plot or bad business going on with this as far as i can tell. (SOE mafia led by Smed is out to get ya...hahah)
SWG: I know the hard core fans liked it the way it was. I have been playing this with my young son though, who is a Star Wars fantatic, and it has been a blast. Much easier for him to understand with the changes and a stable game.
I get the bang for my buck out of my station pass and as a gamer that is what I am after. I have played every major MMO release since M59 so I do actually have a clue too.
Buy out: It cracked me up how quickly people jumped on this rumor wagon. It is not reality.
I lump these threads in the same steaming pile as the "WOW clone" threads.
Bottom line: you will like some games and will hate some games based on personal taste (I don't want to play EVE for instance) but the fact you don't like a game does not make a company the ulitmate conspirator in the devastation of the MMO genre!
That's not true at all.
-They have given a job to the CEO of IGE. You know what IGE does right? It's only the biggest gold selling website around. That's pretty hard to condone.
-They introduced LoN (Legends of Norrath) which enables you to trade items for cash. They even changed EULA for that to allow LoN - $ trading offline.
-Smedley has been talking about virtual trading for years now.
-They were planning to make EVERY EQ2 server a virtual 'trade for cash' server, it was only AFTER people opposed to it that the idea was changed to a few servers.
Your point doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.
I boycott $$$OE since EQ2 very early days.
Don't say that unless you still have a running account for it.
EQ is nothing anymore. It is FULL of hackers / botters and people that 2box. People mostly raid and crash for the night. EQ is long dead. The servers are huge wastelands of nothing.
Anyone claiming otherwise need to chill on the cool-aid.
Yes. Everything SOE touched died a horrible boring death. A newer I-SOE could only be worse.
wow, this isnt even beating a dead horse. its like beating the fifth or sixth dead horse. if you dont like soe games play something else. what you think your gonna get some kinda boston tea party or something? These posts are getting old.
-They have given a job to the CEO of IGE. You know what IGE does right? It's only the biggest gold selling website around. That's pretty hard to condone.
It's a cold business decision. If you were about to go into implementing a RMT system into your game, who would you hire? Some random person, or someone who's been dealing with RMT in your games from the start. Personally, I think IGE can suck on it, but from a business perspective, it made sense, and SOE is all about business.
-They introduced LoN (Legends of Norrath) which enables you to trade items for cash. They even changed EULA for that to allow LoN - $ trading offline.
Did you read the rest of my post? You can buy cards for cash from Sony. Why wouldn't you be able to buy cards from other players? Magic Online does the exact same damn thing. RMT in a card game is NOT the same as RMT in an MMO.
-Smedley has been talking about virtual trading for years now.
So? So have a lot of people, and it appears those talks did come to fruition, in their RMT system for EQ2.
-They were planning to make EVERY EQ2 server a virtual 'trade for cash' server, it was only AFTER people opposed to it that the idea was changed to a few servers.
But they're NOT all trade for cash servers. They listened, and it never happened. I'm sure there are a lot of companies who have wanted to do a ton of shitty things to make a buck, but unless they actually followed through with them, you can't really condemn them for something they haven't done.
Don't get me wrong, I hate how SoE treats their customers and I am not a fan of their business practice, but your factual argument is weak, and boils down purely to Sony hate.
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where is the "it wont matter" option? even if all of us in this thread stop using their games, they wouldnt even notice.
EQ is nothing anymore. It is FULL of hackers / botters and people that 2box. People mostly raid and crash for the night. EQ is long dead. The servers are huge wastelands of nothing.
Anyone claiming otherwise need to chill on the cool-aid.
There is nothing wrong with Two-Boxing. People do it all the time in WoW, LOTRO, EVE, Vanturd, etc.....