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SOE has it's mitts on this game... now it's over
smitty0356
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I have posted on here after my beta experiences, and they were less than kind, I would say. Many people argued that this game will rock and that the issues I had with the game (refer to the "sucko" post) were just me being picky.
However, now that SOE is onboard, it means that everyone who was involved with the original concept (which I thought was great) will be jumping ship, and it will be put into an infinite "hold" pattern like mxo... no free trials... they just hope it will die out.
Too bad, because I have been following this game for so long. Now it's in SOE's 99 cent bin along with vanguard.
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SOE have been "aboard" (<- see what I did there
) for many, many months and as I understand it, or I could be wrong, I lost interest in the beta a while back. SOE are responsible for the logistics ONLY. The Devs will be the ones continually developing on the game.
I understand it's cool to bash SOE in every thread nowadays though...
um...soe didnt buy POTBS, they are just running the servers. all the POTBS devs are still there.
Your talking like POTBS sold to sony, and thats just not true.
Last year at VG's prere;ease it was painfully obvious that the game was rather screwed up, Im hearing the opposite so far from those playing POTBS.
I wouldn't go tossing PotBS in the bargain bin just yet, but it will get there. The game is overpriced; they're asking top market price for the box and top market sub fee for a game that's barely an MMO content-wise, and a game that's very very very unfinished.
The PvP/RvR system is still in what I would call alpha testing, with huge revamps going on right up to release.
The high end game is totally untested, most content is repeated/placeholder, and big chunks of gameplay elements (like voodoo) aren't even implemented yet.
I'd predict we'll see a client that's less than $20 (maybe even free) and a reduced sub fee within a year, because this game is going to have an extremely hard time keeping people past two months of gameplay, and a hard time drawing people in when the reviews start hitting the interwebs.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
here we go again....*sigh*
My remarks don't have anything to do with SOE, btw, just the implication that PotBS is an instant bargain-bin title.
Agreed, bad titles or out-dated games tend to be drawn to SOE. "birds of a feather" and all.
I dislike the game, I dislike SOE's business model, so the 2 together is just too much.
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Save us some time, thanks for your help.
i tell you what write all your S.O.E whine posts on a piece of paper because this forum has more than enough.
If you dont like them stay away from them dont go out buy a game from them just so you can bitch some more.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Save us some time, thanks for your help.
Me no like game, SOE sucks!!!
is that ok??
Worst attempt at trying to sound cool by trying to hate SoE, ever.
I nominate this the worst thread of 2008 already.
No annoying animated GIF here!
man S.O.E haters you do know that alot of people have feel in love,Had a kid,Split up fell in love again and there new wife is now ready to give birth,All that in the time you guys keep saying "mahhhh I hate S.O.E"
GET OVER IT!!!
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
SOE helped make Vanguard into a better game and made hugh improvements on the way it runs. I know some people must hate SOE, but to blame them for every perceived wrong is just silly! PotBS on the otherhand doesn't have anything to do with SOE as far as their content is concerned. PotBS has full control of the game and this is their dime, I for one am enjoying the game. I see a great future for this game and the developers are quick to answer and fix problems, something many producers don't do. With the complex yet simple economic system and high end city taking, I just don't see this game dieing out in a few months as some seem to think will happen. If you have a interest in this sort of gender I recommend to try the game out for yourself and make your own decision, either way leave SOE out of the equation as they just don't have any say either way.
I understand sony isn't writing the game. they don't have a direct call in quite a few of the games under their brand, it's just that this game is already destined to be a niche game, and now they are getting into bed with a company that kills playerbase through all of it's dealings, including server maintenance, stability, and any other production matters.
I guess we'll see, I mean unless someone can see the future, then we have no way of being certain, but I'm going to say that this game is an eve-minus right now.... actually an eve-minus-minus with a side of SOE-sauce.
I think that mix will leave a bad taste in your mouth.
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and do you know that after all that time S.O.E. still F'in SUCKS!!!!
crazy huh??
but, I will quit because I am getting off-topic
Just how is SOE games any worse than WoW, DAoC, Eve, etc? I have played them all and EQ2, Planetside or even Vanguard all play well and are fun, and compare well to the above games. I didn't like Eve but that doesn't make it a bad game, no it just didn't hold my interest. All games have their good and bad points, so the game that floats your boat might just make me ill, does that make it a bad game? Most of the games SOE host weren't made orginally by them or were in partner with them, so complaining that SOE is the suckk doesn't make much sense. If you don't like SOE thats your right but making us hear it day after day is getting old and petty!
SOE doesn't own PotBS - but they do control some key components.
For example - you can't login without SOE doing their job properly.
Prior to this title - I had not delt with SOE before - so had no opinion.
But honestly, everything they have touched with PotBS they have made a mess of.
Distribution => NA and Europe were a farce both in their apparent inability to get the pre-order box {containing bonus items and game keys} on retail shelves. And the fact that many of the boxes were shipped without the all important keys. An issue that FLS is now having to deal with - costing FLS time and money)
The Launcher and Patcher => again FLS had to step in to resolve the issue.
EDIT: See here: A whole sub forum dedicated to the above issues
Advertising => A very poor effort (have you seen an ad?) Until last week even this page was still promoting Gods and Heros despite the fact that the cancellation of that game was the supposed reason for the delay in the retail release of PotBS in October 2007.
And now this:
http://www.burningsea.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4376#post4376
FAQ: SOE Station store purchase isn't letting me play
A: File a request for help with SOE's support site:
Go to the main SOE site: http://www.station.sony.com/en/index.vm
Choose My Account and log in
Choose Help - Support
File your support request
We have talked to the head of CS at SOE and he is making sure his people get the right information to help you.
John Scott Tynes (Rev[FLS])
Producer, Pirates of the Burning Sea
Flying Lab Software
So, once again FLS is having to chase up SOE to do the job FLS contracted them to do.
Any bets on whether the transition to regular subscriptions on the 22nd will go smoothly?
How about the new Station Launcher?? I wonder how long that will lock out FLS's customers?
If I didn't know better I would assume that SOE was out to destroy FLS. But I don't think that. I do however think they are simply totally incompetent and will probably lose a comparitive amount of money to FLS due to all their screw ups.
Only thing is, they probably have a bigger financial buffer than FLS, they can probably sustain these losses where FLS might not be able to?
Then what happens?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
apparently you are willing to pay for a bad game and make the best out of it. I commend you ability to make lemonade out of lemons.
Now let's assume we have some standards that apply, such as:
We don't like bugs, We like tech support, we don't like computer performance issues, we don't like server crashes, did I say we don't like bugs?
Now, if you can become the good comsumer you have been raised to be, you'll see that you don't have to accept what is not good enough, cause in this market, there is PLENTY of competition for your money (and even time).
Now, re-examine your statement about all games being fun.... of course they are or they'd be called "workes" or "jobs." But now say "is it worth my time and money?"
To me, there isn't a SOE game out that is. If you were in EQ during the shift, then maybe you would feel different, of if you got into eq2... it's possible, but otherwise you are accepting less than you have to.
Also, gyrus, I totally agree with you, and that is the essence of what I was trying to say! Well put!
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"apparently you are willing to pay for a bad game and make the best out of it. I commend you ability to make lemonade out of lemons."
Absolutely not! If the game stinks in my opinion (EVE) I will quit the game. That still doesn't make it a bad game, just means I think its bad. What I won't do is quit and than bad mouth it on their boards as that is petty.
"Now let's assume we have some standards that apply, such as:
We don't like bugs, We like tech support, we don't like computer performance issues, we don't like server crashes, did I say we don't like bugs?"
Who likes bugs, but what on-line game ever came out without a ton of them? If that isn't acceptable your out of luck or you will have to wait a couple of years for them to get under control. Sad but a fact of life. PotBS is pretty bug free in comparision to most games I've played at release, yes it has some lag issues but nothing that bothers my game play. The PotBS developers seem to listen to their fans and explain what they are doing to correct problems, that to me is a very good thing!
"Now, if you can become the good comsumer you have been raised to be, you'll see that you don't have to accept what is not good enough, cause in this market, there is PLENTY of competition for your money (and even time)."
Name a on-line game that came out in better shape than PotBS, if there were some the list is very small. If your comparing PotBs to a game that already went through theire growing pains, shame on you!
"Now, re-examine your statement about all games being fun.... of course they are or they'd be called "workes" or "jobs." But now say "is it worth my time and money?""
That is what each and everyone of us to decide, but don't think that just because you don't like a particular game its trash.
Advertising => A very poor effort (have you seen an ad?) Until last week even this page was still promoting Gods and Heros despite the fact that the cancellation of that game was the supposed reason for the delay in the retail release of PotBS in October 2007.
Gyrus most of your points are very trival. All games have a log in, so SOE is the log in for PotBs, so what. The games issued without a key is a problem but even from your example it looks like SOE is taking very good care of that issue, were you praising that effort? Distribution is why PotBs made this deal so I quess its up to them to decide if they are happy with it, I didn't have any problems finding PotBs on the best buy self. As to ads and such I haven't seen any on-line game advertised on TV other than WoW I think, and I don't know what deal Flying Lab made with SOE for that. I doubt any other publisher would have done more than SOE has so your point is moat in my opinion.
What are you talking about, all mmorpgs are bargain Bin Titles, even the 10 Gazillion Subscriber base WoW sells for $9.99 to $19.99 now.
The only mmo (which is still debated about is) Guild Wars. They seem to hold their price. I think you can finally get prophecies for $19.99 to $29.99 now. The other campaigns sell for $29.99 and up to $49.99
Were you waiting for AgentSmith's topic to die down so you could post the exact same nonsense?
What are you talking about, all mmorpgs are bargain Bin Titles, even the 10 Gazillion Subscriber base WoW sells for $9.99 to $19.99 now.
The only mmo (which is still debated about is) Guild Wars. They seem to hold their price. I think you can finally get prophecies for $19.99 to $29.99 now. The other campaigns sell for $29.99 and up to $49.99
PotBS is charging $49.99 for the client alone right now. I expect that to drop sharply before too long, yes, but for now they're pricing it like a top-grade finished product, which it isn't - and they're asking for a top-grade sub fee, which it doesn't merit in my opinion.
So PotBS isn't in the bargain bin now, and won't be there immediately, but it will end up there...
I agree - been with PotBS in closed beta since just before SoE started to do its parts - and since then those elements have been a source of at least occasional frustration if not constant (patching, launcher, etc). Additionally, SoE fouled up the pre order boxes in a major way getting them to stores almost a month late and even then with sporadic or poor availability. Patching remains slow to miserably slow for many as well. And authentication - good enough I suppose but the web URL based authentication is overly click rich and vulnerable to abuse. And as I commented on in another thread here SoE is planning on forcing PotBS users, even those with o station games, to use their new Station Launcher when it comes out which is a Steam like tray app (and they have made public comments to add in Sony music and movie stuff to it in the future).
So while SoE doesn't control game development they do have control over other critical game elements and their tradition of incompetence and unreliability in those areas is showing.
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