If I remember right Diablo was released in 1997. At the beginning of the same year was released Betrayal at the Krondor which was a smashing hit at that time. Apart from that in the middle 1997 Fallout 1 was also released. And I remember there were other RPG planned to be released next year -1998 (that also actually did) which was Might and Magic VI, Baldur's Gate 1 and Fallout 2. Hardly can be called a bad years for RPG's. DIablo had the advantage that was done in very short time (in compare to Baldur's Gate or Fallout), because it was very light on development. A couple of zones a couple of dungeons, one camp a few npcs, no actual quests, and then tons of mobs that all want to kill you... Whereas BG, Fallout took around 3-4 years, Diablo was all done in 2 years ready to release. So it had advantage and think it was released right on january 1997 so it could be called as a RPG-saver, because there weren't any good rpg's 1996. But keep in mind. At that time 5 other great RPG's were announced in development previewed and supposed to be ready in 97-98.
Well, I'm no market expert I just recall some of the articles and comments. Before Diablo there really wasn't much in terms of modern RPG success and you know the saying..
Diablo 1 & Diablo 2 were the two dumbest things I've ever saw that had the guts to call themselves videogames. No matter what, bashing two bricks together is more fun and requires more concentration than Diablo. It's an insult to call these games RPG or action RPG because it has nothing to do with any actual roleplaying. I hope the developers will rot in hell for it and we will never see any more crap games like that in the future. But I guess it won't happen. No more Planescape Torment, no more Fallout, no more Arcanum but instead the same hack and slash shit, because that's what masses want.
obviously not got anything better to do than troll.
daiblo 1 and 2 were 2 of the best games ever made and have continued to be extremely popular even years after their release. I will look at this game if its anything close to diablo but nothing will come close to the original. better luck next time, you prob play consoles anyway QQ
No this is radicilous. I was playing Ishar dungeon RPG's and Eye of Beholders decades before Diablo ever touched the light. I never used a bloody console. Diablo is not a RPG. It's a silly hack and slash with character development. It's nowhere near old dungeon RPG games like Pool of Radiance, Menzoberranzan, Dungeon Hack or whatever. Those were real action RPG games. And you don't really want to compare Diablo to regular RPG like Baldur's Gate, Fallout or Planescape Torment don't you?
Does it matter, if people find the game fun ? gaming is about fun you know, not about hating it. So when you hate it, don't play, keep it to yourself and accept that there are people with a different opinion.
Starcraft was the one that came out in 1998. Diablo2 actually came out 2 years after in 2000.
I liked the Diablo games. They were simple but fun. Although I always did wish there were more than 2 buttons you can use at a time.
Diablo was kinda like Mario, there wasn't much story and gameplay was simple. It was always about saving the princess from Bowser. There's not much to the controls either. Only A, B, and the D-pad but the games were still fun. I do believe the Diablo games were successful because they had online multiplayer.
I enjoyed Diablo. An excellent and innovative game.
I've played all the clones and the sequel and I'm pretty tired of the formula now.
The develpers went on to create Guild Wars, World of Warcaft and Hellgate London.
Hellgate however is made by a company with a very poor attitude. The priority for Flagship seems to be money before substance. I won't be investigating any further releases from this company.
Diablo 1 & Diablo 2 were the two dumbest things I've ever saw that had the guts to call themselves videogames. No matter what, bashing two bricks together is more fun and requires more concentration than Diablo. It's an insult to call these games RPG or action RPG because it has nothing to do with any actual roleplaying. I hope the developers will rot in hell for it and we will never see any more crap games like that in the future. But I guess it won't happen. No more Planescape Torment, no more Fallout, no more Arcanum but instead the same hack and slash shit, because that's what masses want.
i agree. diablo is as much an RPG as Age of Empires a strategy game.
If I remember right Diablo was released in 1997. At the beginning of the same year was released Betrayal at the Krondor which was a smashing hit at that time. Apart from that in the middle 1997 Fallout 1 was also released. And I remember there were other RPG planned to be released next year -1998 (that also actually did) which was Might and Magic VI, Baldur's Gate 1 and Fallout 2. Hardly can be called a bad years for RPG's. DIablo had the advantage that was done in very short time (in compare to Baldur's Gate or Fallout), because it was very light on development. A couple of zones a couple of dungeons, one camp a few npcs, no actual quests, and then tons of mobs that all want to kill you... Whereas BG, Fallout took around 3-4 years, Diablo was all done in 2 years ready to release. So it had advantage and think it was released right on january 1997 so it could be called as a RPG-saver, because there weren't any good rpg's 1996. But keep in mind. At that time 5 other great RPG's were announced in development previewed and supposed to be ready in 97-98.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, there's only 1 thing I'd like to point out and that's that Blizzard didn't categorize their game as an RPG, the video game industry did that. Why they did that is a mystery to me, because quite honestly I didn't purchase Diablo when it was released because I really wasn't a fan of RPG games and assumed it was cut from the same cloth. I tried Planescape Torment and I enjoyed it immensely for about 3 hours. The talking skull was hilarious and moved things along. But about 3 hours in, the skull quit saying much of anything and I was left to figure out what to do on my own. I found myself wandering around talking to a bunch of NPC's that talked my fool head off, weren't nearly as entertaining as the skull and really had no more clue what I was supposed to be doing than I did. Some people like the whole concept of not being told what to do or where to go and being able to do whatever they want and kinda figure it out as they go along, however I just found it frustrating and I quit playing. I only started playing Diablo a couple years after it's release on the urging of a friend and I was in shock when I found it was completely different. The story and NPC's took a back seat to the action. Now we're cooking!
The games appeal to 2 different sets of individuals. It's not Blizzard's fault that what they created really didn't have it's own genre and in fact I think because of Diablo, people realized that there was a need for a new genre because RPG really didn't fit for Diablo. Those people that were claiming that Diablo ressurected the RPG genre had it all wrong, what it did was usher in a brand new genre, they just failed to see that. That's why when someone comes along and bad mouths Diablo as an RPG and compares it to other RPG's I blow a gasket. It's not an RPG. We all know that. It was neither the savior of the RPG industry nor lead to it's demise, it's simply a game that people liked to play. I don't know why people need to pigeon hole games the way they do and attack the developers when they are successful. The developers didn't intend to change the industry or genre, they simply made a game that they liked and that they thought other people would enjoy playing. They were right. If more game companies would simply try to make games that they think people would enjoy playing and quit trying to make games like other games, gamers would have a whole lot less to complain about.
Pappy I have to agree with you once again. It's not a RPG and it wasn't a RPG saviour. But then.. check Hellgate London describtion on this site. It says "Flagship Studios.. RPG Authority, creators of Diablo" ... It's an arrogant self-title.
Pappy I have to agree with you once again. It's not a RPG and it wasn't a RPG saviour. But then.. check Hellgate London describtion on this site. It says "Flagship Studios.. RPG Authority, creators of Diablo" ... It's an arrogant self-title.
Why whine and cry for 2 pages about how Diablo is or isnt an RPG? God, its like listening to people argue over whether Guild Wars is or isnt an MORPG. You didnt like it ....move on.
Did I like it? Hell yeah i loved the Diablo games! Slap an isuck genre on it if you want to ...millions will still love it.
Pappy I have to agree with you once again. It's not a RPG and it wasn't a RPG saviour. But then.. check Hellgate London describtion on this site. It says "Flagship Studios.. RPG Authority, creators of Diablo" ... It's an arrogant self-title.
Nice, I'm also watching Sacred 2. The Diablo series was great fun back in the day. I don't think I could play it again today but it was a good time. Wasn't Diablo credited with saving the computer RPG genre by critics as RPGs were pretty much dead at the time? Whether you liked it or not, it did breath new life and interest into our genre and enable much of we see today. Anyway take a look at this www.sacred2.com/
I forgot all about sacred,I played the demo ages ago and meant to get it,but obviously never did.A good game.
Then check out Mythos (www.mythos.com) After making the game Diablo II the team responsable for it left and created Flagship Studios. They recently released Hellgate London that kinda fell short of everyones expectations. But, before that they made this game Mythos to kinda test their servers (for hellgate) but it's now turned into a fully free Hack and Slash MMO. It's in early beta ATM but the devs liten and respond regularly on the forums and actually implement what the comunity wants...(novel concept, no?) If you haven't checked it out do so!
WWW.MYTHOS.COM
Yeah Mythos isn't a bad little game, frankly I found it more fun than Hellgate by far (grats to Flagship Seattle for showing how much more important game play is compared to flashy graphics) Unfortunately the "action rpg top down view" game has been done sooooo many times now without much innovation in the genre I just can't keep an interest very long. No doubt worth a look for someone who still craves that kind of game play and at no cost at that. It's still too bad what happened with Hellgate, I was somewhat surprised the game actually won a part in Toms Games "Worst of 2007" list.
I do find it unfair as apparently some others do though with Flagship making all the claim to the Diablo series. Some of the most key members such as Rick Seis and Stefan Seandizzo created Castaway and other members went to Arenanet and don't have anything to do with Flagship. Thats only a couple of course, that original team has been spread all over the industry it seems.
Anyways I was around back in the day when Diablo 1 released. Really it was just a more advanced version of other action rpg's we had played since the 80s but it was a damn nice one. The only thing that IMO at least really made Diablo as popular then was the multiplayer/battlenet option. I remember the only reason I even bought Diablo was for the multiplayer and can truthfully still say today I never even played its normal single player.
Course, the day I got UO marked the end of me ever logging into battlenet again but Diablo was fun while it lasted. The game earned it's place in multiplayer gaming. No veteran of online gaming doesn't know what "ghosting" or the meaning of true town killing is. Good fun days.
Pappy I have to agree with you once again. It's not a RPG and it wasn't a RPG saviour. But then.. check Hellgate London describtion on this site. It says "Flagship Studios.. RPG Authority, creators of Diablo" ... It's an arrogant self-title.
So, you're problem is not the game itself, but rather the fact that its labeled RPG? You sound like those kids from music websites who only like things that arn't popular, and flip out if you put something in the wrong genre.
ZOMG! That's progressive metalcore, not indie posthardcore with grindcore influences!! MORON!
Take things for what they are and quit catagorizing everything.
I enjoy the top downs and while the graphics aren't innovative, Mythos is definitely a game that's fun, stable, has depth (a lot more than Hellgate....Flagship should've used this at it's, umm, Flagship game?). I enjoyed some of the other Diablo clones that have come out.....but this one is offering something more than mindless hack and slash. I loved Hellgate's mindlessness, but this is (ironically) the better quest driven game.
And I agree with above poster....I don't give a flying rats arse what Genre it is. It's online, it's multiplayer with towns and not chat lobbies, and it's fun.
Diablo 1 & Diablo 2 were the two dumbest things I've ever saw that had the guts to call themselves videogames. No matter what, bashing two bricks together is more fun and requires more concentration than Diablo. It's an insult to call these games RPG or action RPG because it has nothing to do with any actual roleplaying. I hope the developers will rot in hell for it and we will never see any more crap games like that in the future. But I guess it won't happen. No more Planescape Torment, no more Fallout, no more Arcanum but instead the same hack and slash shit, because that's what masses want.
Ok, we get it. You didn't like them. That fact alone does not make them shitty games in any one's mind but yours.
Action RPGs are a pretty popular genre, and Diablo I and II are usually considered among the best. The point of the OP was that if you liked them, you might like Mythos. It was not in any way to imply that they are "RPGs" in the same sense that Fallout I and II were.
And for the record, there have been a ton of games in the style of Baldur's Gate I and II, Planescape Torment, Fallout I and II and all those other games you worship. KoTR I and II, Mass Effect, Never Winter Knights I and II (both of which have thriving mod communities) to name a few. Diablo did nothing to stifle their popularity. What rock have you been living under?
Edit: It occured to me that you might be one of those guys that's pissed that they took a great big wiz on Fallout when they developed the X-box Fallout action RPG game. I agree that sucked. But I don't see how that's enough to justify going into a self centered rant every time Diablo get's mentioned.
The Fallout X-box game came about becuase the Baldur's gate's action RPGs did pretty well. And those were not played by Diablo fans (at least for the most part). Diablo fans are mostly PC gamers. In console space, only the first Diablo ever came out (PS 1) and it did poorly at retail. The Fallout action RPG on the X-box bombed as well. I hardly think you can consider it a successful case of "pandering to the masses." I think of it more along the lines of "a giant fuck up, all around."
The upcoming Fallout game for the 360 is being billed as a return to the a traditional open ended RPG format, at least.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Actually Diablo 1 did re-invigorate the PC RPG market and to some extent paved the way for MMOs. Baldur's Gate probably would not have happened were it not for Diablo's big sales. But just like it is with WoW vs. the rest of the PC gaming industry right now, the competitors and copycats who flooded the market with RPGs in the next few years couldn't match Blizzard's quality and presentation.
I had a good time playing Diablo 1 & 2. No it wasn't a difficult game to play but it was relaxing & fun to play. I enjoyed killing stuff and identifying armor / etc. in the hopes that I'd find something really good. Was the game an RPG, of course it was. You operated an avatar in-game, you interacted with NPC's and there was a linear story involved. Was the roleplaying deep / involving, no not really and while I have a preference for the more involved I still had fun in this shallow game.
Actually Diablo 1 did re-invigorate the PC RPG market and to some extent paved the way for MMOs. Baldur's Gate probably would not have happened were it not for Diablo's big sales. But just like it is with WoW vs. the rest of the PC gaming industry right now, the competitors and copycats who flooded the market with RPGs in the next few years couldn't match Blizzard's quality and presentation.
Well this is a nice example of making a statements without any knowledge at all. Baldur's Gate 1 was announced earlier than Diablo. So it's was much longer in development. So was Might and Magic VI and Fallout 1.
To Yeebo: I don't consider KOTOR 1&2 nor NWN nor Mass Effect good RPG's either. The only good last RPG I remember was Vampire the Bloodlines made by Troika Games and maybe Gothic 2.
Gothic actually is a perfect example of action RPG. While it is focused heavily on combat, the game offers huge world, tons of quests, tons of options what side to choose, not a simple storyline like "there's a badass called Diablo that wants to rule the world, go and kill him in some random nearby dungeon and kill everything you meet" Diablo could be called Arcade RPG
I loved Diablo 1and 2, and still hold out hope one day we'll see Diablo 3. That is unlikely, since all of the Diablo developers left Blizzard.
I like Mythos. If is mindless fun. Just like Diablo. Sometimes I don't have 2-4 hours available in one block to play a MMO. I like something that I can pick up, play at my own pace for 15 minutes and then quit.
I think Mythos is much better than HGL. If they had spent their time working on Mythos and not HGL, they would have had better success.
Well...I agree with Thillian on he's views on this..And cheers Thillian for beiing brave enough to take this fight with the horde
Diablo and Diablo 2 is rubbish and only hurts the genre more than it helps, It gives the developers around the world that wants to make a RPG the idea that , this is what the players want..So instead of creating a solid RPG , they create something like this..
On the other hand..Who can really blame them..If there is money in shallow, this is how it's going to look..Better safe than sorry..
The same thing is going on with WoW..Now we will be forced to see shallow and newb friendly MMORPG's for decades, until the people actually comes to the conclusion that they want challanges instead of insta win MMO's. .
I have to end this by saing games like Diablo can be great to clear your head at times for a couple of hours, but to play en entire game like this over and over and over, just to stumble upon the Sword of Holy Shit III is redicoulous..
He's freaking de-railing a thread on the second post.
I freaking hate Sudoku but you don't see me bashing people who play it; DOMO wasn't my thing but I respect people who play that and don't get involved in their threads. The OP of this thread wanted to share a game for people who enjoyed the Diablo series...and I hate to break it to you your opinions here on genre classifications and gamestyles are pointless, time consuming, and utter tripe.
Yeah, I played all of the older SSI RPG's. I remember how eternally long combat took in Pool of Radiance. Strategic yes....action packed? Umm...no.
PS -- Thillian your VNV avatar makes me cry. I'm a huge fan of them and every freaking retarded flame post you make bashing people for their love of games that you deem dog crap (which after looking at your list of games, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe you're a masochist for broken, boring and the slow paced?) is like the anti-statement of their message and I dread you're giving them bad marketting. If it's pent up rage because you faced similar ridicule for your cherished titles, you need to be improving the problem and not making it worst. The "reality check" is people play games for fun, people play games for different moods and styles -- and you obviously have a problem with the free world discussing any game you don't play. I think you need to get involved in politics or become a lawyer and use your tactics in a more productive manner.
"I'm saying nothing for the good of myself, but I'm still talking and YOU'RE NOT LISTENING."
Can we please stop this "game is hurting the industry" crap allready?! A game can't hurt you, or anyone else, only people can, but why bother, most people hurt themselfs the best.
Diablo is fun, fun fun, not quazi intelectual fun.
the Diablo series were great and i hope to see them come back in the future, since back in the days Diablo one gave me interest to the RPG genre, i don't care whether or not it got the RPG stample by the market and not blizzard itself in the start the fact is, many who played this game and liked it, since it was quite good and funny, prolly checked the cover with the RPG mark, then thinking "whoa, so rpgs aren't that boring after all..." Diablo 2 blizzard themselves marked it rpg without a doubt since it had a nice big fat "sequel to the game awarded rpg, Diablo".
Diablo was maybe so popular because of battle.net but it sure had quite good single player option to atleast make you go through normal to witness the nice cinematics, which blizzard always were so famous fore making and to no surprise, were awesome here aswell.
Diablo made me venture into the RPG genre, which untill Diablo came along, seemed boring, stupid, retarded, and pointless.
And for a final, holy crap.... Thillian the super emo, the man who hates Blizzard like no other, finds his way into yet another blizzard classic, which happens to have been a very popular and great game, in desperate attempt to throw dirt on a great old timeless game aye?
Man.... Did the blizzard guys steal your lunch money, bully you around, when you were a child or something? I mean why do you hate the mr. popular, Blizzard, so much? You really are a little angry man aren't you?
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Well, I'm no market expert I just recall some of the articles and comments. Before Diablo there really wasn't much in terms of modern RPG success and you know the saying..
"The early bird gets the worm"
obviously not got anything better to do than troll.
daiblo 1 and 2 were 2 of the best games ever made and have continued to be extremely popular even years after their release. I will look at this game if its anything close to diablo but nothing will come close to the original. better luck next time, you prob play consoles anyway QQ
No this is radicilous. I was playing Ishar dungeon RPG's and Eye of Beholders decades before Diablo ever touched the light. I never used a bloody console. Diablo is not a RPG. It's a silly hack and slash with character development. It's nowhere near old dungeon RPG games like Pool of Radiance, Menzoberranzan, Dungeon Hack or whatever. Those were real action RPG games. And you don't really want to compare Diablo to regular RPG like Baldur's Gate, Fallout or Planescape Torment don't you?
Does it matter, if people find the game fun ? gaming is about fun you know, not about hating it. So when you hate it, don't play, keep it to yourself and accept that there are people with a different opinion.
Starcraft was the one that came out in 1998. Diablo2 actually came out 2 years after in 2000.
I liked the Diablo games. They were simple but fun. Although I always did wish there were more than 2 buttons you can use at a time.
Diablo was kinda like Mario, there wasn't much story and gameplay was simple. It was always about saving the princess from Bowser. There's not much to the controls either. Only A, B, and the D-pad but the games were still fun. I do believe the Diablo games were successful because they had online multiplayer.
I enjoyed Diablo. An excellent and innovative game.
I've played all the clones and the sequel and I'm pretty tired of the formula now.
The develpers went on to create Guild Wars, World of Warcaft and Hellgate London.
Hellgate however is made by a company with a very poor attitude. The priority for Flagship seems to be money before substance. I won't be investigating any further releases from this company.
i agree. diablo is as much an RPG as Age of Empires a strategy game.
The games appeal to 2 different sets of individuals. It's not Blizzard's fault that what they created really didn't have it's own genre and in fact I think because of Diablo, people realized that there was a need for a new genre because RPG really didn't fit for Diablo. Those people that were claiming that Diablo ressurected the RPG genre had it all wrong, what it did was usher in a brand new genre, they just failed to see that. That's why when someone comes along and bad mouths Diablo as an RPG and compares it to other RPG's I blow a gasket. It's not an RPG. We all know that. It was neither the savior of the RPG industry nor lead to it's demise, it's simply a game that people liked to play. I don't know why people need to pigeon hole games the way they do and attack the developers when they are successful. The developers didn't intend to change the industry or genre, they simply made a game that they liked and that they thought other people would enjoy playing. They were right. If more game companies would simply try to make games that they think people would enjoy playing and quit trying to make games like other games, gamers would have a whole lot less to complain about.
Pappy I have to agree with you once again. It's not a RPG and it wasn't a RPG saviour. But then.. check Hellgate London describtion on this site. It says "Flagship Studios.. RPG Authority, creators of Diablo" ... It's an arrogant self-title.
REALITY CHECK
Mr. Pot? I'd like you to meet Mr. Kettle.
Thillian, it's good to see you're still crying and screaming like an incessant 3 year old.
Still playing Vanguard?
Why whine and cry for 2 pages about how Diablo is or isnt an RPG? God, its like listening to people argue over whether Guild Wars is or isnt an MORPG. You didnt like it ....move on.
Did I like it? Hell yeah i loved the Diablo games! Slap an isuck genre on it if you want to ...millions will still love it.
I agree! Would love to see Blizzard do a Diablo mmo, the lore is wonderful and the concept is just begging to be made by many fans who would play it.
And it's not all that good either.
I forgot all about sacred,I played the demo ages ago and meant to get it,but obviously never did.A good game.
Yeah Mythos isn't a bad little game, frankly I found it more fun than Hellgate by far (grats to Flagship Seattle for showing how much more important game play is compared to flashy graphics) Unfortunately the "action rpg top down view" game has been done sooooo many times now without much innovation in the genre I just can't keep an interest very long. No doubt worth a look for someone who still craves that kind of game play and at no cost at that. It's still too bad what happened with Hellgate, I was somewhat surprised the game actually won a part in Toms Games "Worst of 2007" list.
I do find it unfair as apparently some others do though with Flagship making all the claim to the Diablo series. Some of the most key members such as Rick Seis and Stefan Seandizzo created Castaway and other members went to Arenanet and don't have anything to do with Flagship. Thats only a couple of course, that original team has been spread all over the industry it seems.
Anyways I was around back in the day when Diablo 1 released. Really it was just a more advanced version of other action rpg's we had played since the 80s but it was a damn nice one. The only thing that IMO at least really made Diablo as popular then was the multiplayer/battlenet option. I remember the only reason I even bought Diablo was for the multiplayer and can truthfully still say today I never even played its normal single player.
Course, the day I got UO marked the end of me ever logging into battlenet again but Diablo was fun while it lasted. The game earned it's place in multiplayer gaming. No veteran of online gaming doesn't know what "ghosting" or the meaning of true town killing is. Good fun days.
So, you're problem is not the game itself, but rather the fact that its labeled RPG? You sound like those kids from music websites who only like things that arn't popular, and flip out if you put something in the wrong genre.
ZOMG! That's progressive metalcore, not indie posthardcore with grindcore influences!! MORON!
Take things for what they are and quit catagorizing everything.
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I enjoy the top downs and while the graphics aren't innovative, Mythos is definitely a game that's fun, stable, has depth (a lot more than Hellgate....Flagship should've used this at it's, umm, Flagship game?). I enjoyed some of the other Diablo clones that have come out.....but this one is offering something more than mindless hack and slash. I loved Hellgate's mindlessness, but this is (ironically) the better quest driven game.
And I agree with above poster....I don't give a flying rats arse what Genre it is. It's online, it's multiplayer with towns and not chat lobbies, and it's fun.
Ok, we get it. You didn't like them. That fact alone does not make them shitty games in any one's mind but yours.
Action RPGs are a pretty popular genre, and Diablo I and II are usually considered among the best. The point of the OP was that if you liked them, you might like Mythos. It was not in any way to imply that they are "RPGs" in the same sense that Fallout I and II were.
And for the record, there have been a ton of games in the style of Baldur's Gate I and II, Planescape Torment, Fallout I and II and all those other games you worship. KoTR I and II, Mass Effect, Never Winter Knights I and II (both of which have thriving mod communities) to name a few. Diablo did nothing to stifle their popularity. What rock have you been living under?
Edit: It occured to me that you might be one of those guys that's pissed that they took a great big wiz on Fallout when they developed the X-box Fallout action RPG game. I agree that sucked. But I don't see how that's enough to justify going into a self centered rant every time Diablo get's mentioned.
The Fallout X-box game came about becuase the Baldur's gate's action RPGs did pretty well. And those were not played by Diablo fans (at least for the most part). Diablo fans are mostly PC gamers. In console space, only the first Diablo ever came out (PS 1) and it did poorly at retail. The Fallout action RPG on the X-box bombed as well. I hardly think you can consider it a successful case of "pandering to the masses." I think of it more along the lines of "a giant fuck up, all around."
The upcoming Fallout game for the 360 is being billed as a return to the a traditional open ended RPG format, at least.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Actually Diablo 1 did re-invigorate the PC RPG market and to some extent paved the way for MMOs. Baldur's Gate probably would not have happened were it not for Diablo's big sales. But just like it is with WoW vs. the rest of the PC gaming industry right now, the competitors and copycats who flooded the market with RPGs in the next few years couldn't match Blizzard's quality and presentation.
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I had a good time playing Diablo 1 & 2. No it wasn't a difficult game to play but it was relaxing & fun to play. I enjoyed killing stuff and identifying armor / etc. in the hopes that I'd find something really good. Was the game an RPG, of course it was. You operated an avatar in-game, you interacted with NPC's and there was a linear story involved. Was the roleplaying deep / involving, no not really and while I have a preference for the more involved I still had fun in this shallow game.
To Yeebo: I don't consider KOTOR 1&2 nor NWN nor Mass Effect good RPG's either. The only good last RPG I remember was Vampire the Bloodlines made by Troika Games and maybe Gothic 2.
Gothic actually is a perfect example of action RPG. While it is focused heavily on combat, the game offers huge world, tons of quests, tons of options what side to choose, not a simple storyline like "there's a badass called Diablo that wants to rule the world, go and kill him in some random nearby dungeon and kill everything you meet" Diablo could be called Arcade RPG
REALITY CHECK
I loved Diablo 1and 2, and still hold out hope one day we'll see Diablo 3. That is unlikely, since all of the Diablo developers left Blizzard.
I like Mythos. If is mindless fun. Just like Diablo. Sometimes I don't have 2-4 hours available in one block to play a MMO. I like something that I can pick up, play at my own pace for 15 minutes and then quit.
I think Mythos is much better than HGL. If they had spent their time working on Mythos and not HGL, they would have had better success.
Well...I agree with Thillian on he's views on this..And cheers Thillian for beiing brave enough to take this fight with the horde
Diablo and Diablo 2 is rubbish and only hurts the genre more than it helps, It gives the developers around the world that wants to make a RPG the idea that , this is what the players want..So instead of creating a solid RPG , they create something like this..
On the other hand..Who can really blame them..If there is money in shallow, this is how it's going to look..Better safe than sorry..
The same thing is going on with WoW..Now we will be forced to see shallow and newb friendly MMORPG's for decades, until the people actually comes to the conclusion that they want challanges instead of insta win MMO's. .
I have to end this by saing games like Diablo can be great to clear your head at times for a couple of hours, but to play en entire game like this over and over and over, just to stumble upon the Sword of Holy Shit III is redicoulous..
/Junker
Praising for being brave to take on the horde?
He's freaking de-railing a thread on the second post.
I freaking hate Sudoku but you don't see me bashing people who play it; DOMO wasn't my thing but I respect people who play that and don't get involved in their threads. The OP of this thread wanted to share a game for people who enjoyed the Diablo series...and I hate to break it to you your opinions here on genre classifications and gamestyles are pointless, time consuming, and utter tripe.
Yeah, I played all of the older SSI RPG's. I remember how eternally long combat took in Pool of Radiance. Strategic yes....action packed? Umm...no.
PS -- Thillian your VNV avatar makes me cry. I'm a huge fan of them and every freaking retarded flame post you make bashing people for their love of games that you deem dog crap (which after looking at your list of games, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe you're a masochist for broken, boring and the slow paced?) is like the anti-statement of their message and I dread you're giving them bad marketting. If it's pent up rage because you faced similar ridicule for your cherished titles, you need to be improving the problem and not making it worst. The "reality check" is people play games for fun, people play games for different moods and styles -- and you obviously have a problem with the free world discussing any game you don't play. I think you need to get involved in politics or become a lawyer and use your tactics in a more productive manner.
"I'm saying nothing for the good of myself, but I'm still talking and YOU'RE NOT LISTENING."
Can we please stop this "game is hurting the industry" crap allready?! A game can't hurt you, or anyone else, only people can, but why bother, most people hurt themselfs the best.
Diablo is fun, fun fun, not quazi intelectual fun.
the Diablo series were great and i hope to see them come back in the future, since back in the days Diablo one gave me interest to the RPG genre, i don't care whether or not it got the RPG stample by the market and not blizzard itself in the start the fact is, many who played this game and liked it, since it was quite good and funny, prolly checked the cover with the RPG mark, then thinking "whoa, so rpgs aren't that boring after all..." Diablo 2 blizzard themselves marked it rpg without a doubt since it had a nice big fat "sequel to the game awarded rpg, Diablo".
Diablo was maybe so popular because of battle.net but it sure had quite good single player option to atleast make you go through normal to witness the nice cinematics, which blizzard always were so famous fore making and to no surprise, were awesome here aswell.
Diablo made me venture into the RPG genre, which untill Diablo came along, seemed boring, stupid, retarded, and pointless.
And for a final, holy crap.... Thillian the super emo, the man who hates Blizzard like no other, finds his way into yet another blizzard classic, which happens to have been a very popular and great game, in desperate attempt to throw dirt on a great old timeless game aye?
Man.... Did the blizzard guys steal your lunch money, bully you around, when you were a child or something? I mean why do you hate the mr. popular, Blizzard, so much? You really are a little angry man aren't you?
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