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MrGeek
Member Posts: 10
Ok so I got tired of the lameness of WoW, and the bugginess of SWG....
Looking for a new sci fi MMO with space combat I came to Eve. Installed the 14 day trial... played thru tutorials... did a few missions...
So I point at a target, orbit it, click the gun once, then sit back and wait for someone to win...
SAY WHAT??!
No first person PILOT view from inside cockpit?
No joystick support?
No outmaneuvering your oponent (like Galaxies space component) when you are fighting.... like good old WW2 dogfights?
So then what is the purpose of this game?
Oh... lets not forget about TRAINING while you are away! What the heck??
I don't get it!! What am I missing??
Same with mining.... click... and wait for it to tell you that you are done. Huh??
At least navigation was simple enough... click... autopilot... I'm there.
And no... it is not the economy stupid...
Of course... I can always pray that SOE get their head out of their behind and make Galaxies a better game but we all know it will never happen.
I wonder if someone is developing a Wing Comander MMO....! Hmmmm.....
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[quote]Originally posted by MrGeek
[b]Ok so I got tired of the lameness of WoW, and the bugginess of SWG....
Looking for a new sci fi MMO with space combat I came to Eve. Installed the 14 day trial... played thru tutorials... did a few missions...
So I point at a target, orbit it, click the gun once, then sit back and wait for someone to win...
SAY WHAT??![/quote]
At lower levels, sure, that's kind of how it looks and ends up being. Later though, when you have skills for better equipment tactics and ship setups and fleet setup makes a huge difference.
You didn't read any of the fiction did you? That's ok. There is no cockpit, so therefore no view. This isn't a flight sim.
Again, it's not a flight sim. Think more like Homeworld. Or an RTS.
As above, no dogfighting, this isn't a sim. Freelancer was nice for that I think, and Jumpgate should be too.
Pain. Preferably others.
You're missing grinding. Set a skill to train and it'll finish on it's own, no need to even be online, much less spend hours grinding XP. While you still have to grind ISK, at least training is very casual player friendly.
Yup. Same with all other games isn't it?
Yay!
Wait, I thought you were ranting about EVE? But actually the player run economy is "it". So much so that CCP hired an actual economist to make sense of it all. Neat!
[quote]I wonder if someone is developing a Wing Comander MMO....! Hmmmm.....[/b][/quote]
That would rule, but only if Biff came back as Maddog!
Then why would you think dogfighting would make sense for ships that at thier smallest are bigger than a 747. All ships in EVE are Capital sized ships. The closest thing to fighter-sized vessels is the fighter drones, which you can't control because the sheer amount of data transfer that would be required to stream just the xyz co-ordinates of 250-500 players in the same place would make the internet cry, seconds before it melted.
As for the combat in EVE being target->hit guns->wait. It may seem like that at the start but there's a reason....you're a noob and there is a lot to learn so they can't go into all the gory details of combat right off the bat. Once you get farther in the combat is far more than just orbit->activate->wait, it's about resource management and positioning compared to your enemy and many other things. But you can't learn them doing the noobie tutorial missions. it's something you have to pick up over time.
I have played Eve for many years on and off, it gets fun, then its gets boring and requires a break just like any MMO. You have to take them in moderation. The game gets immensely more fun when you reach 0.0 sec rating space and try combat or go on mining missions having to defend your group against battleship or higher shipped NPCs or players out to destroy your ships or just cause hell.
Eve is not something you can pick up and play and expect to be a god at. It takes time. And in that time the fun factor develops and the complexity increases.
Click and wait combat has been obsolete for a while now. Jumpgate Evolutionis aiming for the flight sim vibe, we will see if it is any good.
The amount of bullshit some people spew about Eve is amazing. I wonder most of the time if some of the people who talk shit about game have ever even played it and if you have did you even try and learn the game.
Eve is probably the one mmo out there where someone can actually be involved in just about any aspect of the game within a month of starting. You can get involved in 0.0 pvp with an alliance if you want to. There is always a need for tacklers and tech 2 frigates are very easy to get into. The new Electronics Attack Frigates are amazingly useful in gangs and not that long to train into either. IT DOES NOT TAKE A YEAR.
Click and point ? Again did you even try and learn the game ? Sure its click and point if all you did was npc rat in the belts or gate camp but get involved in small scale pvp vs other small gangs and it becomes so much more. If all you think you do is point and click then any other gang with a clue at all will blow you up real fast. I guess that's what happened to you if you did actually try the game out so now you come here and talk shit.
I guess WoW is more your speed. Oh wait thats just point and click. Oh look the tank has aggro, ok target the boss, spam spell of choice, collect loot. What do you mean I can't come on the raid ? Oh that's right I need to level up to 70 first and then farm some bullshit instance for a couple of months to get gear good enough to go into the raid instance. Is that your so called fun out of the box ? Or maybe you meant out of the box pvp fun ? Nope thats more level up, get your ass beat down by overgeared players while you grind honor so you can have the gear to compete.
No mmo out there is completely end game fun right out of the box but because Eve has no true end game like every other mmo you can be involved in the same thing the vets are in very short order. If you want true instant out the box fun then you better stick to console games like Mario.
Click and wait combat has been obsolete for a while now. Jumpgate Evolutionis aiming for the flight sim vibe, we will see if it is any good.
here again is the difference between new school MMO'rs and old school MMO'rs. Newschool wants super uber best of the best in a month straight out of the box, its all about the instant gratification.Old school gamers, on the other hand, know that the harder you work for something the sweeter it is when the job is done, not only that but they tend to understand that its not the destination thats important in an MMO, its the journey there.
Perhaps hard work, commitment, and dedication to an MMO like EVE isnt for you, its not for everyone, but at least lets not act like because you arent pleased, its not a quality product.
Try joining a corp! wich is then in some kinda alliance wich generally has its own part of 0,0 space then add a different corp wich is in a different alliance wich wants your turf. and then come and tell me whats the point..
Im tired of explaining to all the people that come from WoW ,soo il just sum it up real quick: "Go back to WoW,this isnt the game you are looking for" or my new and personal favorite response "buy isk for cash cause you think every game is gear based,buy officer mods,then auto pilot into molden heath or amamake and quit"
It's clear the OP only tryed the game for 10 mins,id love to see you orbit and click weapons and win in any pvp situation,maibe if the guy you are fighting is a bigger idiot than you.
rancer is a nice place to hang out as well
"I hired this video Solaris, I just don't get it, i mean it's science fiction right, but where are the plasma guns and robots?"
Nope, I was having fun my second day and was having much more fun in the immeadiate months that followed.
Here is something I wrote over a year back (My 2 year anniversary in my current corp) to commemorate my first steps into 0.0. I think it's proof enough that you can have fun in EVE right off that bat.
2 years in JAKD
It certainly is, just bring a lot of friends to take out those pesky pirates that live there.
In addition to Frigates, there's also T1 EWAR Cruisers such as the Blackbird, Celestis, and Arbitrator. They're a bit more expensive but if you get in a good corp they'll often reimburse you for it and with insurance, the loss actually costs you nothing. My first taste of PVP was in a Blackbird with EVE University and being able to completely shut down one or two 3 year old players as a 3 week old character was great.
That's one of the reasons EVE Uni is very successful when they're wardec'd. Some idiots think they will have an easy time shooting new players but when they run into an organized bunch of them in tacklers / ewar with a few older players in the BS / Command damage ships, there's nothing they can do.
That's the difference between EVE and most other leveling games. In EVE there's a lot of roles and you train for the ones you want. Often there's very little training involved to get to the basics of that role and still be useful, then a decent amount of training to excel at it. The only difference between an older player and a newer players is that the older can play more roles.
It's also good to give you time to learn the tactics of a role. Though 'tackling' a ship may sound simple, and sometimes it really is, there's a lot of tactics you need to learn about tackling to truly excel at it.
I put hard work, dedication, and whatnot into my job and my family, not video games. When I pay for a video game, I expect it to be fun, not a chore.
I put hard work, dedication, and whatnot into my job and my family, not video games. When I pay for a video game, I expect it to be fun, not a chore.
Hmm... MMORPG's aren't for you then. They all require a certain level of work and dedication to enjoy fully, even games like WOW. EVE asks for less than most games in terms of dedication (actually, its really up to you to determine how involved you want it to be)
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Either take the time to learn the game and see if you like it or just decide it's not for you. This isn't anything like wing commander
Think more strategic 
If you're looking for a space based MMORPG similar to 'wing commander' in feel I suggest you check out Jumpgate. It's a bit dated but it's still got solid mechanics. If you can get past it's graphics it's a very solid game. They are currentlyl working on a new version of the game called Jumpgate: Evolution (see the beta forums to the left). No ETA on when they will release that though. It's not even in beta yet.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I put hard work, dedication, and whatnot into my job and my family, not video games. When I pay for a video game, I expect it to be fun, not a chore.
if u dont want it to be a chore, i wouldnt suggest becoming a FC at all.....let alone a CEO or Director of a corp.
I think what your looking for is an Arcade game. Like in the Mall.
I put hard work, dedication, and whatnot into my job and my family, not video games. When I pay for a video game, I expect it to be fun, not a chore.
Dont take it the wrong way friend, but as i see it now after your thread about "dedicated pve server" got flamed you seem to be on a crusade to troll this section of forums. Get over it and move on.
I put hard work, dedication, and whatnot into my job and my family, not video games. When I pay for a video game, I expect it to be fun, not a chore.
Dont take it the wrong way friend, but as i see it now after your thread about "dedicated pve server" got flamed you seem to be on a crusade to troll this section of forums. Get over it and move on.
I am entertained by people playing a video game and feeling "elite" about it, or thinking that "achieving" something in a video game is anything to brag about. This board has such a strange slice of delusion, it is interesting to see in action. It sort of reminds me of a buch of people playing "EXTREME" rock paper scissors. "The first rule of extreme rock-paper-scissors is that we don't talk about extreme rock-paper-scissors.!"
Video games are cheap entertainment, on par with TV. Don't lose sight of that fact. If you are going to put long term dedication into something, put it into something real.
Hmm you seem to be under the impression that u cant achieve someting in a computer game w/o negleting your rl. Also you dont seem to be able to accept that there many eve players that prefer to use their play time to work in a game towards a common goal they share instead of mindless griding for xp, items or whatever else you consider to be entertaining for you in a computer game.
For example lets say both of us have 2 hours per day to spare playing computer games: you`d rather spend those 2 hours playing whatever suits you and id rather use my 2 hours playing eve. Would you say that your 2 hours of playtime are better spent than my 2 hours spent in eve to achieve somthing ?
I put hard work, dedication, and whatnot into my job and my family, not video games. When I pay for a video game, I expect it to be fun, not a chore.
Dont take it the wrong way friend, but as i see it now after your thread about "dedicated pve server" got flamed you seem to be on a crusade to troll this section of forums. Get over it and move on.
I am entertained by people playing a video game and feeling "elite" about it, or thinking that "achieving" something in a video game is anything to brag about. This board has such a strange slice of delusion, it is interesting to see in action. It sort of reminds me of a buch of people playing "EXTREME" rock paper scissors. "The first rule of extreme rock-paper-scissors is that we don't talk about extreme rock-paper-scissors.!"
Video games are cheap entertainment, on par with TV. Don't lose sight of that fact. If you are going to put long term dedication into something, put it into something real.
what you don't seem to understand is that for some a game must be challenging, that in the challenge you find entertainment. there is no doubt that you don't like the risk that is involved in playing EvE, you are easily upset buy the loss that occurs if you do something stupid.
it seems to me that you are the one who over invests their emotions in a game.
On being unable to face the problem of your own stupidity you then decided that you 'knew' what needed changing in the game.
On finding out that the devolopers of the game find your view worthy of humour and derision has upset you even furthur. But you can't let it go at that, that we laugh at how patheric your view of what is 'best' for EvE has insulted you to your core, so must you come back, again and again, to try and recover a sence of self worth.
you are the one who needs to look at what they are doing for themselves. do you really think that if you can 'prove' to yourself that a community of gamers are all wrong and you are right, that you will be fulfilled, that you will grow and be a better person?
just leave, don't come back, do something 'productive' with your time.
this game is obviously not for the masses so don't feel alone... most people hate it.
i for one... adore the game... i love the interface... i love how relaxed it is.
Let's stop praying for someone to save us and start saving ourselves.
Eve is more about ship setup then point click you have to use other things to, jammers, stabilizers, it would be cool tho with better controls dont know how that could happen tho since you can move foward, up, down, left,and right, it would be complex and hard.
I bought a joystick with this game.
Dur.
Apart from the lack of 3D, it's eessentially the same as Elite or anyother Space Sim, which is a theme I enjoy. The major difference is the time it takes to play.
It's an AFK game. You set up a few jumps and then watch TV, put the dinner on, put the kids to bed. Do some paperwork, read a book etc.
It doesn't eat your life, it is background entertainment. Your wife will not be angry that you are ignoring her when you play this game as 95% of the time you won't be touching the keyboard or even looking at the screen.
It's a low brainer.
You can do other things while you play.
Sure, you can do things while you play, most of the time. Heck, thats one of the things that keep me playing...when i play Eve, most of the time i am browsing forums, write emails, do housework etc. I have two monitors. One for Eve, one for other things. I can be productive and work on things while playing, socializing etc. in Eve. How cool is that?!
But, mostly in the late evening, this often changes. Second monitor is littered with maps of the region, Teamspeak, Irc (failsafe communication), Forum. Because that is the time when i lead fleets or fly with them, and this demands my full attention. This is how i like to spend my free time after work is done. Eve a no-brainer?! What the hell are you talking about? I am constantly translating from one language into another, i am constantly organizing things, i am shooting, shouting and killing.
May the late afternoon be the foreplay for my night with Eve (haha), i like it that way.