Let just assume that they come out with keyboard&mouse for console ? Would PC lose the last advantage ?
No. PC has several other advantages as already stated(customizability for one). Besides... the more the console tries to look like a PC, the more expensive it becomes. Then people would probably want to pay a bit extra for a machine that can handle similar games, but also do millions of other tasks.
When Microcunts announced the plan for their first console, i said to myself. There goes PC gaming.
Why ?
I thought they are going to build Gaming PC.
A console that is fully functional like PC. With mouse , keyboard , working Windows, network, HD and DVD drive. But coming in one package hard box.
Something like old but never forgotten AMIGA500
Both X360 and PS3 could easily be marketed and packaged that way.
And if Microcraps really did that. They would seriously damage PC gaming.
It is just a question of time when they going to do it. And than there will be reason to own Gaming PC.
And about customisability
What customisability are you talking about ?
Option to have 500$ PC that can not run any game , or having 1500$ PC that can run every game published in last 2 months, but will be outdated in about 1 year
And dont tell me that you actually can upgrade PC part by part.
Because it is bollocks - I am PC savy as it gets , and i can tell you "Dream on Buddy"
Next GFX card you will want to buy will not run on your old motherboard, your new motherboard will not support the old RAM sticks, your old CPU will make bottlenecks, and your HD will be to small in 1 year
So its upgrade all , or feel almost no diference - deal
I don't think PC gaming is dying as in there will be no more PC games, never... But PC gaming as it is IS dying. How long do you think will people keep upgrading their machines for every new game that comes? Why would they when they can get a machine for half the price that will last them 5-10 years with no maintanance costs.
Well iv been upgrading my system over and over again for almost 15 years, and im not planning to stop.
It gives me pleasure when i buy new piece of hardcore hardware.
And I personally would choose mouse + keyboard over controller any time.
Did i mention PC can have a controller too, and can emulate console games with right emulation programs.
PC is an endless possibility. Console is what you see is what you get.
Oh my God, how could I have bin so wrong, you enlightened me and put me back on the right path. How I could I be so wrong in my views when YOU keep throwing your money in the botomless pit called PC.
M&K will always pawn the controler in aiming and managing games, same as controler always pawns M&K in action and platformer games.
PC has possibilitys but man, I can think of 1276 stuff more fun to do on consoles that dealing with endless issues on the PC (if you don't have issues with your windows or drivers, or NET.framework or firewall or... you are either not using a PC or your job title is programer or something like that which makes it a mute point)
Console IS NOT what YOU see.
Looking for a person who is aware that even if he is using a PC for some time now, there is at least a bilion people who just won't go trough the trouble of learning to use the PC and use it well. Consoles are for fun and fun they are, what's wrong with that? It's not like interneting or torrenting or foruming is something you need, it's just a luxury feature in your life.
Also PS3 can internet and forum, what else can a normal person with a life outside of gaming and programing ask for?!
And about customisability What customisability are you talking about ? Option to have 500$ PC that can not run any game , or having 1500$ PC that can run every game published in last 2 months, but will be outdated in about 1 year And dont tell me that you actually can upgrade PC part by part. Because it is bollocks - I am PC savy as it gets , and i can tell you "Dream on Buddy" Next GFX card you will want to buy will not run on your old motherboard, your new motherboard will not support the old RAM sticks, your old CPU will make bottlenecks, and your HD will be to small in 1 year So its upgrade all , or feel almost no diference - deal
I don't think PC gaming is dying as in there will be no more PC games, never... But PC gaming as it is IS dying. How long do you think will people keep upgrading their machines for every new game that comes? Why would they when they can get a machine for half the price that will last them 5-10 years with no maintanance costs.
Well iv been upgrading my system over and over again for almost 15 years, and im not planning to stop.
It gives me pleasure when i buy new piece of hardcore hardware.
And I personally would choose mouse + keyboard over controller any time.
Did i mention PC can have a controller too, and can emulate console games with right emulation programs.
PC is an endless possibility. Console is what you see is what you get.
Oh my God, how could I have bin so wrong, you enlightened me and put me back on the right path. How I could I be so wrong in my views when YOU keep throwing your money in the botomless pit called PC.
M&K will always pawn the controler in aiming and managing games, same as controler always pawns M&K in action and platformer games.
PC has possibilitys but man, I can think of 1276 stuff more fun to do on consoles that dealing with endless issues on the PC (if you don't have issues with your windows or drivers, or NET.framework or firewall or... you are either not using a PC or your job title is programer or something like that which makes it a mute point)
Console IS NOT what YOU see.
Looking for a person who is aware that even if he is using a PC for some time now, there is at least a bilion people who just won't go trough the trouble of learning to use the PC and use it well. Consoles are for fun and fun they are, what's wrong with that? It's not like interneting or torrenting or foruming is something you need, it's just a luxury feature in your life.
Also PS3 can internet and forum, what else can a normal person with a life outside of gaming and programing ask for?!
The problem to me is that i have yet to see a console game i would like to own. Mainstreamed braindead junk just dont work for me. It will never stop to amaze me how kids hype up junk, while they complain they might actually have to use their brain to install a driver. Still theres money in catering to the lazy and stupid masses, so cant blaim the devs for wanted a piece of it.
The problem to me is that i have yet to see a console game i would like to own. Mainstreamed braindead junk just dont work for me. It will never stop to amaze me how kids hype up junk, while they complain they might actually have to use their brain to install a driver. Still theres money in catering to the lazy and stupid masses, so cant blaim the devs for wanted a piece of it.
Console gamers: People looking for an even more simple gaming experience than WOW.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Oh my God, how could I have bin so wrong, you enlightened me and put me back on the right path. How I could I be so wrong in my views when YOU keep throwing your money in the botomless pit called PC.
M&K will always pawn the controler in aiming and managing games, same as controler always pawns M&K in action and platformer games. PC has possibilitys but man, I can think of 1276 stuff more fun to do on consoles that dealing with endless issues on the PC (if you don't have issues with your windows or drivers, or NET.framework or firewall or... you are either not using a PC or your job title is programer or something like that which makes it a mute point) Console IS NOT what YOU see.
Looking for a person who is aware that even if he is using a PC for some time now, there is at least a bilion people who just won't go trough the trouble of learning to use the PC and use it well. Consoles are for fun and fun they are, what's wrong with that? It's not like interneting or torrenting or foruming is something you need, it's just a luxury feature in your life. Also PS3 can internet and forum, what else can a normal person with a life outside of gaming and programing ask for?!
So basicly what your saying is that you are too stupid to use PC and therefore you use consoles?
Now to put it in your words:
ZOMG ZOMG!!!! HOW KULD I BEEEEN SO WRONG???''!11ONE
NPD only counts US retail sales. PC gaming may be dead in America, but it's big in the rest of the world.
So what? The rest of the world consistantly lags behinds America in everything- give em' time to catch up to where PC gaming dies for them as well.
My cousins in Italy are still listening to disco for christ's sake.
P.S.
I have always been an avid PC gamer; since I first got my hands on a shareware copy of Doom in 1994. Today is the absolute worst shape I've ever seen PC gaming in. To debate semantics or the qualifications for it's relative mortality is pretty useless. It's the worst I've ever seen it. To me it might as well be "dead."
When I see the new counterparts for yesterday's "Fallout," "Heroes of Might and Magic," "Mechwarrior" and "Starcraft/Warcraft" games I'll begin to believe in PC gaming's potency again.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
NPD only counts US retail sales. PC gaming may be dead in America, but it's big in the rest of the world.
So what? The rest of the world consistantly lags behinds America in everything- give em' time to catch up to where PC gaming dies for them as well.
My cousins in Italy are still listening to disco for christ's sake.
P.S.
I have always been an avid PC gamer; since I first got my hands on a shareware copy of Doom in 1994. Today is the absolute worst shape I've ever seen PC gaming in. To debate semantics or the qualifications for it's relative mortality is pretty useless. It's the worst I've ever seen it. To me it might as well be "dead."
When I see the new counterparts for yesterday's "Fallout," "Heroes of Might and Magic," "Mechwarrior" and "Starcraft/Warcraft" games I'll begin to believe in PC gaming's potency again.
And in America the most sold console is the 360, where as it's least sold in Japan, and in Europe, Sony is counting on taking the position the 360 has now with in a couple of months.
If you ask me, Europe and America are moving in two different directions.
Originally posted by Lobotomist And about customisabilityI
What customisability are you talking about ? Option to have 500$ PC that can not run any game , or having 1500$ PC that can run every game published in last 2 months, but will be outdated in about 1 year And dont tell me that you actually can upgrade PC part by part. Because it is bollocks - I am PC savy as it gets , and i can tell you "Dream on Buddy" Next GFX card you will want to buy will not run on your old motherboard, your new motherboard will not support the old RAM sticks, your old CPU will make bottlenecks, and your HD will be to small in 1 year So its upgrade all , or feel almost no diference - deal
WoW You really know very little about PC's don't you. The smart computer builder buys the best motherboard he can afford so as to avoid this problem.
Of course you could instead just buy a cheap motherboard but it will run slower and you will get the highlighted problem.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I was hooked on PC gaming many years ago when I played Pool of Radiance and Wasteland on my commoodore 64. For those of you that dont know.....that was DECADES ago.
But CONSOLEs will rule the future of mmorpgs.
maybe not today
maybe not tommorrow
but sometime in the very near future
It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it.
And just wait till the next gen consoles come out
The console companies KNOW about mmorpgs more then you think. Its just a matter of time now.
Let just assume that they come out with keyboard&mouse for console ? Would PC lose the last advantage ?
No because most Console users will just put the keyboard away and get out a controller. And Keyboard and Mouse control is hardly the PC's only advantage.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I disagree PC gaming will always be around as long as there are PC's. Besides why else are Consoles trying to copy PC's?
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I was hooked on PC gaming many years ago when I played Pool of Radiance and Wasteland on my commoodore 64. For those of you that dont know.....that was DECADES ago. But CONSOLEs will rule the future of mmorpgs. maybe not today maybe not tommorrow but sometime in the very near future It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it. And just wait till the next gen consoles come out The console companies KNOW about mmorpgs more then you think. Its just a matter of time now. Like it or not
My eyes are bleeding... Write like a human!
Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing
I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.
And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.
I was hooked on PC gaming many years ago when I played Pool of Radiance and Wasteland on my commoodore 64. For those of you that dont know.....that was DECADES ago. But CONSOLEs will rule the future of mmorpgs. maybe not today maybe not tommorrow but sometime in the very near future It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it. And just wait till the next gen consoles come out The console companies KNOW about mmorpgs more then you think. Its just a matter of time now. Like it or not
My eyes are bleeding... Write like a human!
Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing
I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.
And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.
I am typing, not writing
Gratz, I suppose everyone has a rig like yours or better
Your right, PCs never have LITTLE problems
Your really killing your argument now, maybe people dont wanna fork out $2 or $3000 for a rig
I was hooked on PC gaming many years ago when I played Pool of Radiance and Wasteland on my commoodore 64. For those of you that dont know.....that was DECADES ago. But CONSOLEs will rule the future of mmorpgs. maybe not today maybe not tommorrow but sometime in the very near future m And just wait till the next gen consoles come out The console companies KNOW about mmorpgs more then you think. Its just a matter of time now. Like it or not
My eyes are bleeding... Write like a human!
Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing
I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.
And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.
I am typing, not writing
Gratz, I suppose everyone has a rig like yours or better
Your right, PCs never have LITTLE problems
Your really killing your argument now, maybe people dont wanna fork out $2 or $3000 for a rig
Thank you, big improvement on the your typing
Okay first of all, you need to be able to see irony. Sony had quite a problem with their prices until they released the 40 GB version of the PS3.
No person would ever go out and buy a PC with only 40 GB HDD, a console will never 'replace' the PC in any of its function. We might see a device that combines the two, but that's the closest.
That's why I'm saying, if tpeople wanted to pay a lot of money for a strong console, and only wanted a simple computer they would buy that, but the people who pay for strong computers probably does other stuff on their rigs too. 3D-rendering, Photoshop, video editing and so on.
Besides, your "It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it."-argument is useless. What does keyboards have to do with hardware performance? Nothing, people talk about keyboard and mouse as superior to the ordinary controller. And it is. If you put up some guy playing on a K&M against someone on a controller, the K&M-guy would better chances of winning, do to a greater amount of control.
When Microcunts announced the plan for their first console, i said to myself. There goes PC gaming. Why ? I thought they are going to build Gaming PC. A console that is fully functional like PC. With mouse , keyboard , working Windows, network, HD and DVD drive. But coming in one package hard box. Something like old but never forgotten AMIGA500 Both X360 and PS3 could easily be marketed and packaged that way. And if Microcraps really did that. They would seriously damage PC gaming.
It is just a question of time when they going to do it. And than there will be reason to own Gaming PC.
And about customisability What customisability are you talking about ? Option to have 500$ PC that can not run any game , or having 1500$ PC that can run every game published in last 2 months, but will be outdated in about 1 year And dont tell me that you actually can upgrade PC part by part. Because it is bollocks - I am PC savy as it gets , and i can tell you "Dream on Buddy" Next GFX card you will want to buy will not run on your old motherboard, your new motherboard will not support the old RAM sticks, your old CPU will make bottlenecks, and your HD will be to small in 1 year So its upgrade all , or feel almost no diference - deal
If PS3 and Xbox 360 had the exact same functionality as a PC, they'd cost the same as a PC.
About upgrading:
You're wrong. I'm not saying you can upgrade the same computer for years, but if you are just a bit PC savy, you know which parts to choose, and to choose a motherboard that will enable you to upgrade your comp the next 1-2 years if you want to.
About customizablity:
Being the competitive gamer I am, I talking about tweaking everything to your desire. I'm talking using what 3rd party VOIP you want to, the exact control scheme you would like, along with several different mouse features and HUD adjustments. Example: Can you alter your FOV in CoD4 on Xbox360 to 80 from the standard 65?
Fact is PC gaming communities are still growing, and as long as there is a community, there will be games released. As stated by others, PC games still sell millions, regardless of the consoles.
Btw, I'm pretty tired of discussing this every time the next generation of consoles have settled in...
NPD only counts US retail sales. PC gaming may be dead in America, but it's big in the rest of the world.
So what? The rest of the world consistantly lags behinds America in everything- give em' time to catch up to where PC gaming dies for them as well.
My cousins in Italy are still listening to disco for christ's sake.
P.S.
I have always been an avid PC gamer; since I first got my hands on a shareware copy of Doom in 1994. Today is the absolute worst shape I've ever seen PC gaming in. To debate semantics or the qualifications for it's relative mortality is pretty useless. It's the worst I've ever seen it. To me it might as well be "dead."
When I see the new counterparts for yesterday's "Fallout," "Heroes of Might and Magic," "Mechwarrior" and "Starcraft/Warcraft" games I'll begin to believe in PC gaming's potency again.
And in America the most sold console is the 360, where as it's least sold in Japan, and in Europe, Sony is counting on taking the position the 360 has now with in a couple of months.
If you ask me, Europe and America are moving in two different directions.
The big gaming companies have hurt pc gaming but maybe it's not as bad as we think.
From a financial perspective, there's much more profit in selling a console and then writing games specifically for that console. Unlike pc games that will play on almost any pc, console gaming is a captive market. You buy the console from sony or microsoft and the games that can be played on that unit. The result is you get two streams of income (the consoles and the games) as opposed to only the games for pc's. The result, which can be seen in any Best Buy store, is a flood of console games and fewer pc games.
I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. In my opinion, the big gaming companies have dumbed down the gaming market so that their games can be played by anyone who can press the space bar. Worse, all the games are fundamentally the same. The graphics and story line differ but they all boil down to the same thing, kill, loot and level. However as the big boys gradually begin to step out of the pc gaming market hopefully it opens up a niche market for smaller gaming companies that aren't afraid to try something different or new. Just my take.
It's a damn shame that consoles are taking over! It really creeps me out that people are willing to pay immense amounts of money for consoles and console games, when they could get like 2 PC games for the price of one console game AND Keyboards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controllers!
What a narrow minded point of view.
You seem to forget that you can also have 3 consoles (the Wii, the Xbox 360 AND the PS3) for the price of ONE GOOD rig! Not to mention that you won't have to bother with compatibility problems and upgrading your video card every year (if not every 6 months) with those consoles. Add to this that most console games release a much more finish and polish product then video games on the PC 99.9% of the time.
Oh and, for you mister that hasn't arrived in the 21st century yet: You can have a USB keyboard and mouse on the 360 so, your argument is completely moot.
PC gaming is not dead, but console is the future and wether you like it or not doesn't change a damn thing.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
It's a damn shame that consoles are taking over! It really creeps me out that people are willing to pay immense amounts of money for consoles and console games, when they could get like 2 PC games for the price of one console game AND Keyboards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controllers!
A new PC game costs 50 euro's, a new console game costs 60 euro's.....
"Let the masses go to consoles. The really good original games will be for the PC then."
Like Guitar Hero , Rock Band, Motion sensor controlls, Eye of Judgment, Singstar and..
no, wait..
OWNED!
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
Let the masses go to consoles, while the clever people with PCs download free/gratis games from the internet. Keyboard + Mouse > Game controller Upgradable PC > Diverse Console PC gaming with Xfire > Console gaming with no xfire I could go on. I almost always stick to PC games, I only own a Wii because it's original and different (and to support the opposition of Sony and Micrococks but that's kinda irrelevant in this thread).
And this is the kind of stupidity that is killing the PC market. If your first argument is that you can hack and download games for free, that's EXACTLY why the developpers are less and less interested of developping for PC. Because it's much easier to get a free version then on a console. (And one of the top reason why console sells more then PC games at first place.) Which in turns will lead to more developpers going on the console and abandoning the PC market because of those sick-a-fentic suck ups and free loaders.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
I'm still waiting to read one compeling reason why PC gaming isn't fading away. I mean besides calling people who play consoles idiots and claiming that PC can be used for everything besides gaming, because if you realy wanna game, you have have to invest one console a year into your PC.
Consoles are better for gaming, gaming in general. Semantics can't change that.
You're wrong. I'm not saying you can upgrade the same computer for years, but if you are just a bit PC savy, you know which parts to choose, and to choose a motherboard that will enable you to upgrade your comp the next 1-2 years if you want to.
Yes ? Well I junked a wad of cash for the best Motherboard around 2 years ago. Nforce , if you are savy gamer you know it. Now guess what. New Nvidia cards use pc-e 2.0. Even some new motherboards still do not support it. So either i could have bought my Motherboard 6 months ago.
Which kind of defeats your point.Or now when i buy new Nvidia gfx card i will have to buy new motherboard.
About customizablity:
Being the competitive gamer I am, I talking about tweaking everything to your desire. I'm talking using what 3rd party VOIP you want to, the exact control scheme you would like, along with several different mouse features and HUD adjustments. Example: Can you alter your FOV in CoD4 on Xbox360 to 80 from the standard 65? It is just mather of time when console games will have that. And only reason why they do not have it is because they didnt want to put it in. Also you are saying you are competitive gamer. So you are above average user. You can not really
consider yourself average gamer Joe. PC games will still be catered to minority users like you , me or some other geeks. HELL THEY EVEN MAKE GAMES FOR MAC
But PC will never be a major platform anymore. Best we can hope is SCRAPS!
Fact is PC gaming communities are still growing, and as long as there is a community, there will be games released. As stated by others, PC games still sell millions, regardless of the consoles. As i said. Yes...they even make few games for MAC. What intelligent people are concerned is that PC will not be a major gaming platform anymore.
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No. PC has several other advantages as already stated(customizability for one). Besides... the more the console tries to look like a PC, the more expensive it becomes. Then people would probably want to pay a bit extra for a machine that can handle similar games, but also do millions of other tasks.
I dont know mate. Dont agree
When Microcunts announced the plan for their first console, i said to myself. There goes PC gaming.
Why ?
I thought they are going to build Gaming PC.
A console that is fully functional like PC. With mouse , keyboard , working Windows, network, HD and DVD drive. But coming in one package hard box.
Something like old but never forgotten AMIGA500
Both X360 and PS3 could easily be marketed and packaged that way.
And if Microcraps really did that. They would seriously damage PC gaming.
It is just a question of time when they going to do it. And than there will be reason to own Gaming PC.
And about customisability
What customisability are you talking about ?
Option to have 500$ PC that can not run any game , or having 1500$ PC that can run every game published in last 2 months, but will be outdated in about 1 year
And dont tell me that you actually can upgrade PC part by part.
Because it is bollocks - I am PC savy as it gets , and i can tell you "Dream on Buddy"
Next GFX card you will want to buy will not run on your old motherboard, your new motherboard will not support the old RAM sticks, your old CPU will make bottlenecks, and your HD will be to small in 1 year
So its upgrade all , or feel almost no diference - deal
Well iv been upgrading my system over and over again for almost 15 years, and im not planning to stop.
It gives me pleasure when i buy new piece of hardcore hardware.
And I personally would choose mouse + keyboard over controller any time.
Did i mention PC can have a controller too, and can emulate console games with right emulation programs.
PC is an endless possibility. Console is what you see is what you get.
Oh my God, how could I have bin so wrong, you enlightened me and put me back on the right path. How I could I be so wrong in my views when YOU keep throwing your money in the botomless pit called PC.
M&K will always pawn the controler in aiming and managing games, same as controler always pawns M&K in action and platformer games.
PC has possibilitys but man, I can think of 1276 stuff more fun to do on consoles that dealing with endless issues on the PC (if you don't have issues with your windows or drivers, or NET.framework or firewall or... you are either not using a PC or your job title is programer or something like that which makes it a mute point)
Console IS NOT what YOU see.
Looking for a person who is aware that even if he is using a PC for some time now, there is at least a bilion people who just won't go trough the trouble of learning to use the PC and use it well. Consoles are for fun and fun they are, what's wrong with that? It's not like interneting or torrenting or foruming is something you need, it's just a luxury feature in your life.
Also PS3 can internet and forum, what else can a normal person with a life outside of gaming and programing ask for?!
So true brother, preach it like it is!
Well iv been upgrading my system over and over again for almost 15 years, and im not planning to stop.
It gives me pleasure when i buy new piece of hardcore hardware.
And I personally would choose mouse + keyboard over controller any time.
Did i mention PC can have a controller too, and can emulate console games with right emulation programs.
PC is an endless possibility. Console is what you see is what you get.
Oh my God, how could I have bin so wrong, you enlightened me and put me back on the right path. How I could I be so wrong in my views when YOU keep throwing your money in the botomless pit called PC.
M&K will always pawn the controler in aiming and managing games, same as controler always pawns M&K in action and platformer games.
PC has possibilitys but man, I can think of 1276 stuff more fun to do on consoles that dealing with endless issues on the PC (if you don't have issues with your windows or drivers, or NET.framework or firewall or... you are either not using a PC or your job title is programer or something like that which makes it a mute point)
Console IS NOT what YOU see.
Looking for a person who is aware that even if he is using a PC for some time now, there is at least a bilion people who just won't go trough the trouble of learning to use the PC and use it well. Consoles are for fun and fun they are, what's wrong with that? It's not like interneting or torrenting or foruming is something you need, it's just a luxury feature in your life.
Also PS3 can internet and forum, what else can a normal person with a life outside of gaming and programing ask for?!
No.
The problem to me is that i have yet to see a console game i would like to own. Mainstreamed braindead junk just dont work for me. It will never stop to amaze me how kids hype up junk, while they complain they might actually have to use their brain to install a driver. Still theres money in catering to the lazy and stupid masses, so cant blaim the devs for wanted a piece of it.
Console gamers: People looking for an even more simple gaming experience than WOW.
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So basicly what your saying is that you are too stupid to use PC and therefore you use consoles?
Now to put it in your words:
ZOMG ZOMG!!!! HOW KULD I BEEEEN SO WRONG???''!11ONE
So what? The rest of the world consistantly lags behinds America in everything- give em' time to catch up to where PC gaming dies for them as well.
My cousins in Italy are still listening to disco for christ's sake.
P.S.
I have always been an avid PC gamer; since I first got my hands on a shareware copy of Doom in 1994. Today is the absolute worst shape I've ever seen PC gaming in. To debate semantics or the qualifications for it's relative mortality is pretty useless. It's the worst I've ever seen it. To me it might as well be "dead."
When I see the new counterparts for yesterday's "Fallout," "Heroes of Might and Magic," "Mechwarrior" and "Starcraft/Warcraft" games I'll begin to believe in PC gaming's potency again.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
So what? The rest of the world consistantly lags behinds America in everything- give em' time to catch up to where PC gaming dies for them as well.
My cousins in Italy are still listening to disco for christ's sake.
P.S.
I have always been an avid PC gamer; since I first got my hands on a shareware copy of Doom in 1994. Today is the absolute worst shape I've ever seen PC gaming in. To debate semantics or the qualifications for it's relative mortality is pretty useless. It's the worst I've ever seen it. To me it might as well be "dead."
When I see the new counterparts for yesterday's "Fallout," "Heroes of Might and Magic," "Mechwarrior" and "Starcraft/Warcraft" games I'll begin to believe in PC gaming's potency again.
And in America the most sold console is the 360, where as it's least sold in Japan, and in Europe, Sony is counting on taking the position the 360 has now with in a couple of months.
If you ask me, Europe and America are moving in two different directions.
Of course you could instead just buy a cheap motherboard but it will run slower and you will get the highlighted problem.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I was hooked on PC gaming many years ago when I played Pool of Radiance and Wasteland on my commoodore 64. For those of you that dont know.....that was DECADES ago.
But CONSOLEs will rule the future of mmorpgs.
maybe not today
maybe not tommorrow
but sometime in the very near future
It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it.
And just wait till the next gen consoles come out
The console companies KNOW about mmorpgs more then you think. Its just a matter of time now.
Like it or not
No because most Console users will just put the keyboard away and get out a controller. And Keyboard and Mouse control is hardly the PC's only advantage.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I disagree PC gaming will always be around as long as there are PC's. Besides why else are Consoles trying to copy PC's?
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I really enjoy PC Gaming, I don`t like to sit in front of the TV and play... PC Gaming won`t die, there are a lot of a folks like me out there :P
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Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing
I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.
And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.
My eyes are bleeding... Write like a human!
Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing
I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.
And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.
I am typing, not writingGratz, I suppose everyone has a rig like yours or better
Your right, PCs never have LITTLE problems
Your really killing your argument now, maybe people dont wanna fork out $2 or $3000 for a rig
My eyes are bleeding... Write like a human!
Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing
I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.
And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.
I am typing, not writingGratz, I suppose everyone has a rig like yours or better
Your right, PCs never have LITTLE problems
Your really killing your argument now, maybe people dont wanna fork out $2 or $3000 for a rig
Thank you, big improvement on the your typing
Okay first of all, you need to be able to see irony. Sony had quite a problem with their prices until they released the 40 GB version of the PS3.
No person would ever go out and buy a PC with only 40 GB HDD, a console will never 'replace' the PC in any of its function. We might see a device that combines the two, but that's the closest.
That's why I'm saying, if tpeople wanted to pay a lot of money for a strong console, and only wanted a simple computer they would buy that, but the people who pay for strong computers probably does other stuff on their rigs too. 3D-rendering, Photoshop, video editing and so on.
Besides, your "It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it."-argument is useless. What does keyboards have to do with hardware performance? Nothing, people talk about keyboard and mouse as superior to the ordinary controller. And it is. If you put up some guy playing on a K&M against someone on a controller, the K&M-guy would better chances of winning, do to a greater amount of control.
If PS3 and Xbox 360 had the exact same functionality as a PC, they'd cost the same as a PC.
About upgrading:
You're wrong. I'm not saying you can upgrade the same computer for years, but if you are just a bit PC savy, you know which parts to choose, and to choose a motherboard that will enable you to upgrade your comp the next 1-2 years if you want to.
About customizablity:
Being the competitive gamer I am, I talking about tweaking everything to your desire. I'm talking using what 3rd party VOIP you want to, the exact control scheme you would like, along with several different mouse features and HUD adjustments. Example: Can you alter your FOV in CoD4 on Xbox360 to 80 from the standard 65?
Fact is PC gaming communities are still growing, and as long as there is a community, there will be games released. As stated by others, PC games still sell millions, regardless of the consoles.
Btw, I'm pretty tired of discussing this every time the next generation of consoles have settled in...
So what? The rest of the world consistantly lags behinds America in everything- give em' time to catch up to where PC gaming dies for them as well.
My cousins in Italy are still listening to disco for christ's sake.
P.S.
I have always been an avid PC gamer; since I first got my hands on a shareware copy of Doom in 1994. Today is the absolute worst shape I've ever seen PC gaming in. To debate semantics or the qualifications for it's relative mortality is pretty useless. It's the worst I've ever seen it. To me it might as well be "dead."
When I see the new counterparts for yesterday's "Fallout," "Heroes of Might and Magic," "Mechwarrior" and "Starcraft/Warcraft" games I'll begin to believe in PC gaming's potency again.
And in America the most sold console is the 360, where as it's least sold in Japan, and in Europe, Sony is counting on taking the position the 360 has now with in a couple of months.
If you ask me, Europe and America are moving in two different directions.
The big gaming companies have hurt pc gaming but maybe it's not as bad as we think.
From a financial perspective, there's much more profit in selling a console and then writing games specifically for that console. Unlike pc games that will play on almost any pc, console gaming is a captive market. You buy the console from sony or microsoft and the games that can be played on that unit. The result is you get two streams of income (the consoles and the games) as opposed to only the games for pc's. The result, which can be seen in any Best Buy store, is a flood of console games and fewer pc games.
I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. In my opinion, the big gaming companies have dumbed down the gaming market so that their games can be played by anyone who can press the space bar. Worse, all the games are fundamentally the same. The graphics and story line differ but they all boil down to the same thing, kill, loot and level. However as the big boys gradually begin to step out of the pc gaming market hopefully it opens up a niche market for smaller gaming companies that aren't afraid to try something different or new. Just my take.
What a narrow minded point of view.
You seem to forget that you can also have 3 consoles (the Wii, the Xbox 360 AND the PS3) for the price of ONE GOOD rig! Not to mention that you won't have to bother with compatibility problems and upgrading your video card every year (if not every 6 months) with those consoles. Add to this that most console games release a much more finish and polish product then video games on the PC 99.9% of the time.
Oh and, for you mister that hasn't arrived in the 21st century yet: You can have a USB keyboard and mouse on the 360 so, your argument is completely moot.
PC gaming is not dead, but console is the future and wether you like it or not doesn't change a damn thing.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
A new PC game costs 50 euro's, a new console game costs 60 euro's.....
"Let the masses go to consoles. The really good original games will be for the PC then."
Like Guitar Hero , Rock Band, Motion sensor controlls, Eye of Judgment, Singstar and..
no, wait..
OWNED!
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
And this is the kind of stupidity that is killing the PC market. If your first argument is that you can hack and download games for free, that's EXACTLY why the developpers are less and less interested of developping for PC. Because it's much easier to get a free version then on a console. (And one of the top reason why console sells more then PC games at first place.) Which in turns will lead to more developpers going on the console and abandoning the PC market because of those sick-a-fentic suck ups and free loaders.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
I'm still waiting to read one compeling reason why PC gaming isn't fading away. I mean besides calling people who play consoles idiots and claiming that PC can be used for everything besides gaming, because if you realy wanna game, you have have to invest one console a year into your PC.
Consoles are better for gaming, gaming in general. Semantics can't change that.