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Tinybina
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I tried asking this question in Avery's thread that he posted prior to him leaving for his trip. I don't know if he just forgot or just doesn't know or what. So I will ask it agian to anyone that does have the information.
Will people be allowed to twink their lower level characters like they could/can do in Funcoms other MMO Anarchy Online and like you are able to do in WOW? Its a simple question but for some reason people avoid it like the plague....
To me this is just one of those game breaking game mechanics that I personally would rather have left out. And for the people that will whine and complain and say there is nothing wrong with equiping your character with the best gear at that level, your absolutly right.. But there is a problem with being able to equip gear/enchants/buffs that were not intended for that level...
In Anarchy Online A level 19 character could twink him self up so good that he could have the NTU space to run around with about 5 or so level 200 buffs which lasted a hour a peice.. I won't even get into what that did to pvp when you had a level 19 twink with level 200+ HealoverTimes, Damage shields, Strength buffs, etc running around... I actually was able to make a level 59 doctor twink that could solo group instances (bosses and all) all by himself... For those of you that play WOW just think of a level 39 priest that could SOLO SM Cath....
Thats just 2 examples there are many more (exp in WOW) where it is now twink city in PVP.. Not to mention it ruins the games enconomy...Since it seems like every piece of grear that has a 7-9 as the last number is like triple or more the price that it used to be prior to everyone and there daddy making twinks.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
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I have not played AO at all, and i got sick of wow really really fast. I also have not done alot of reasearch on this game either. BUT from the looks of it AoC focuses alot in end-game activities, high end pvp and gvg, raiding, etc. Even though though there will still be twinks possibly why should u even care? i mean from the looks of it all the fun is to be had at lvl 80, so just out lvl them. Also in wow there are lvl based arenas right? where people earn titles and such? i never saw mention of something like that in AoC......
Bottom line imo is, let them twink all they want, with FC's focus being on end game lvl 80 content u probably wont even have time to pay attention at twinks while rushing your alt(s) to lvl 80. Assuming of course u actually tried playing through the lore and story of the game and didnt just masochistically grind yourself to lvl 80 the 1st time....
p.s. i see no reason why a full party of 80's would be at a disadvantege when facing a mixed party of 80's and 40's both in pvp and pve
From what I understand AOC will not just focus on end game pvp.. You will be able to pvp from the moment you hit level 20... And if its anything like Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS other MMO) you will be able to PVP with a purpose (ala hold land, etc) at that level.. So yes it does make a difference when people can Twink at low levels..
Why im sure most people would love to twink and hide behind a enchant or high level buff, some of us would just like to play the game the way it was intended and let skill be the deciding factor not how many High level buffs you have running or high level ehchants you have on your character that will stay at that level forever.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
As i understood it, there wont be buffs. More like auras. It sounded a bit like EQ2 buffs and spells. You only can use very few spells and buffs outside group there. Nothing that makes a lowlevel uber. Either the buffs are groupwide only or AE. Or both of course.
But it is obvious that a rich highlevel can buy very good crafted or maybe looted items for his alt. He will be better compared to someone who just started the game or refuses to twink.
I used to have a 29 twink in WoW and it was a blast. Its what actually kept me playing when I would have quit do to end game getting to be too much of a grind on real life. Hiding behind and enchant and no skill involved is far from the case when i twinked. We would go against alliance guilds that are just as twinked as we are and it would be amazing games. I felt that it was as close to a real skillful battleground as you could have.
At 60 and then 70 it would be the exact same bs you were just complaining about except there are more skills and the hp/mana/attack levels where much more. If you say that a 29 twink takes no skill and say that end game is where all the skill is then you sir are a hypocrite. I knew many many people who would complain about the guys in naxx, who had t3, that would destroy kids who haven't raided and just hit level cap and started pvping. I felt twinking was a cheaper form of getting endgame top gear and it was a much easier way to get it (in fact everyone could do it). Now dont go and try to flame me for not doing well in endgame because when i quit, right after the bc came out, i had 5/8 t3 and various hwl gear on my mage.
I would love to see twinking in AoC except they might rework the bgs or w/e is in AoC to have an expert (twink) type game along with the normal kids who are just leveling and decided to pvp a bit. AoC would be a more fulfilled game in my book if there were ways to twink.
Like i said i see no reason why a full grp of 80's will have a disadvantage compared to 40's. That being said u actually have to siege the other guild's castle in order to take it from them. Why would any1 in their right mind bring twinks to such a fight?
From what i remember no arena will be in the game either. I therefor ask again: why would u twink? so u can go around 2-shotting people your lvl who will outlvl u in 2 days? be my guest
One more thing, the best gear for pvp is suposed to come from pvp also, so u might want to consider pving mostly on your lvl 80 toon so u can gear him out the best u can. U never know when u will end up taking part in a siege.... I wouldnt like getting 2-shotted cause my gear sucks bawls, would u?
This is sorta what I wanted to hear and so far it sounds pretty good.
I guess im in the minority when it comes what people think about twinking. How people think that it does not do more harm then good is beyond me.. Expecially when I state facts that have happend in previous games to include FUNCOMS own MMO. I guess some people really do not care about something like that, but oh well.
Maybe one day I will be able to play another PVP MMO where skill mattered and not the gear you TWINKED yourself into or the outside buffs. I was fortunate to play one that was like that but sadly SOE ruined it, if AOC will not be that game perhaps WAR will they seem to understand so far from the info they have put out.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Twinking is ok by me. If someone can help another character out, why not?
What?
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
But in PvE it trivializes content. The dunegeon you once had a blast with your main is suddenly easy with lots of twinked alts in group.
Only the buffing is sad. If a highlevel caracter is able to buff a level 10 from 50 to 450 HP, then its a sad story.
Twinks shouldnt go into PvE areas unless they are stupid. In wow if a twink is running an instance they are not done twinking or are idiots testing how close to level up they can get. Twinks are pvp. Most twinks get higher levels to run them through an instance so they get it done faster and get the loot they want.
I see no downside to twinks other then people who are leveling and get killed by twink in pvp. I stated a rough way around that above...
Twinking isn't PvP or PvE related...
Its just helping a lower level char with higher level goods.
BUFFING a noobie is not twinking a noobie.
And I see nothing wrong with it.
If your ego is hurt because your level 20 pvp noob got killed by a level 20 pvp twink, well, pvp isn't for you, because there is no such thing as a fair fight in MMORPG pvp outside of the team based arena stuff.
And if you think having the uber gear at level 20 makes PvE pointless, you know WHY people put that gear on them in the first place? To make that stuff easier. Wouldn't make much sense to make it harder now would it? If you'd leveled up once to 80, and want to try a different class out in seiges or raids, leveling through the lower levels tends to become tedious and so you want to speed it up by making it easier for your character (twink) to go through it.
Twinking does more good than harm, because it keeps people playing longer, rather than saying "Ok, I beat the game, don't feel like grinding it twice, /unsub".
What u described is rerolling or rolling an alt. Of course u have every right to farm with your main so u can equip your alt. Of course u should try to make grinding easier......
Twinking on the other hand means: i have a lvl 80 main, i dont like lvl 80 pvp ( for w/e reason) so i roll an alt, lvl him to 20, equip him with the best gear there is and go around killing other lvl 20's. BUT i NEVER lvl him again, i keep him at lvl 20 with his perfect gear so i can keep on doind lvl 20 pvp.
Twinking is only pvp. And if u are thinking that getting griefed all the time by lvl 20 twinks while trying to outlvl them is good i fail to see a game where people share your opinions getting any new players to play it
i think twinking is bad for the economy it takes items out of the price range of normal players as twinks drive the price of the best items up and up but thats not the only thin from my personal experience twinks are a unpleasant aspect of the game there attitude and ethics are selfish and driven by the need to make other players feel iferior so i hope funcom makes life difficult for those who wish to create twinks
I was about to ask a very similar question about twinking in AoC, so I'm glad someone else asked it for me.
Like some of the other posters in this thread, I've made WoW twinks at 19, 29 and 39 and to be honest, it's the only thing that keeps me in the game! I don't have time for ludicrously long end-game instances so twinking is something I can pick up and work on as and when I have time.
Another benefit of twinking is that it lets players have a go at other characters and get to know them without too greater time investment.
As far as it wrecking economies and being imba, etc, etc, I think while there are downsides to allowing it, the benefits outweight them:
- Twinks DO hyper-inflate the cost of some items but since these items wouldn't be used for long, I don't think this constitutes a ruined economy.
- Overpowered buffs/enchants/whatever do ruin the chances of non-twinks in PvP but WoW BGs an any other-game equivalent aren't mandatory and they can still PvE to a level where there aren't twinks. I'd personally be happy if these buffs weren't available but I think allowing this is a deliberate oversight on Blizzards part to force players to develop at least one high level character before they can afford to create viable twinks.
- In games like WoW, where the time investment required to compete is becoming ridiculous, people who can't commit the number of hours required will seek alternatives to end-game content.
I hope Funcom recognises this as unlike WoW at release AoC won't be in a class of it's own and will lose players to competitors like WAR and WoW expansions if it doesn't provide something for players of all types.
Personally, I will never acheive level 70 let alone 3 billion or whatever WoW finally reaches but I do enjoy this type of game. Any manufacturer that caters for my desire to play and create characters that are optimal for their level (whatever that may be) will get my cash, period.
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Twinks shouldnt go into PvE areas unless they are stupid. In wow if a twink is running an instance they are not done twinking or are idiots testing how close to level up they can get. Twinks are pvp. Most twinks get higher levels to run them through an instance so they get it done faster and get the loot they want.
I see no downside to twinks other then people who are leveling and get killed by twink in pvp. I stated a rough way around that above...
WoW's gameplay is only one of many. In EQ2 you could switch of exp. Those twinks farmed for money and AA (feats, traits). A level 20 with 80 AA was powerful and feats twinked. It was horrible and forced SOE to change it. Now you gain exp from killing a player in PvP.In vanguard the people just taunt a group of level 40 over and over again. Just to collect dept and therefor dont level up. AoC has no dept, but nobody said you wont gain exp in PvP. Since there is a PvP feats tree you most probably will gain exp to earn points to skill.
you don't even know what twinking is
The bad thing about all this is in the AH. Prices just sky rocket like 3-5 gold for a very very low level is just awful. If your a new player you just cant afford the prices. From the looks in beta till now it wont be like WOW thank God.
I never twinked a chart at 19 but I remember how fun it was to try and kill one
Normally when I leveled a character I would stop around 18-19, or 28-29 etc. and play some bg for a while and enjoy it. I remember how big the lvl 19 rogues were in wow and how fun it was to kill one. They weren't invincible, and you knew that a lot was expected from them and so when they died you felt a LOT better and if they killed you it wasn't a big deal. By the 20-29 category it wasn't so fun as anyone could be killed even the twinks.
There isn't a big deal with twinks. If you're twinking, then you're twinking. If you're not twinking then stop by and try to kill one on your way to 80.
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
Low levels shouldn't buy anything from the AH anyway. They will just be wasting their money because they will level and get better items from higher level areas. The only reason low level stuff should be bought is for twinking or if someone is dumb and likes to waste their money on items that will becomes useless to them in a short amount of time if they are actually leveling. All those kids that don't have enough money to get a mount or w/e at the level they are allowed to get one is because they spent their money poorly such as buying items that will become obsolete to them in a matter of time/levels. If they buy gold/currency then I have a different set of words to say to you...
...twink for what?
i dont see any PvP til lvl 70 or 80 (unless u feel like getting smashed)
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
What the hell are you talking about?
And for all those of you WOW heads that think twinking is ok (even though I gave you examples of how overpowerd it is in Funcoms other MMO) well your just retarded...
Like I said you could twink character out so bad in Anarchy Online that they could SOLO SAME LEVEL INSTANCES.. SOLO MEANING THEY COULD RUN IT BY THEIR SELFS!...
So WOW kiddies let me put that in way you can understand.. Lets say you twink a lvl 20 Shaman, now lets say you twink this guy so well that he can walk into The Deadmines or Walling Caverns and SOLO THE WHOLE FREAKING INSTANCE BY HIS SELF...
Naw thats not complete BS, not at all.. But in Funcoms other MMO this was quite possible. People use d to twink lvl 19 cratst hat could SOLO the Subway Instance (bosses and all). Can't tell you how many 59 Docters that had The Temple of the Winds (lvl 60 and below instance) on farm. BOSSES AND ALL...
But watch none of you will understand or see WTH im talking about, hell most of you just want a game where they can just toggle auto attack up walk away from the screen (go wash dish's, gossip on the phone, etc).
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
What the hell are you talking about?
And for all those of you WOW heads that think twinking is ok (even though I gave you examples of how overpowerd it is in Funcoms other MMO) well your just retarded...
Like I said you could twink character out so bad in Anarchy Online that they could SOLO SAME LEVEL INSTANCES.. SOLO MEANING THEY COULD RUN IT BY THEIR SELFS!...
So WOW kiddies let me put that in way you can understand.. Lets say you twink a lvl 20 Shaman, now lets say you twink this guy so well that he can walk into The Deadmines or Walling Caverns and SOLO THE WHOLE FREAKING INSTANCE BY HIS SELF...
Naw thats not complete BS, not at all.. But in Funcoms other MMO this was quite possible. People use d to twink lvl 19 cratst hat could SOLO the Subway Instance (bosses and all). Can't tell you how many 59 Docters that had The Temple of the Winds (lvl 60 and below instance) on farm. BOSSES AND ALL...
But watch none of you will understand or see WTH im talking about, hell most of you just want a game where they can just toggle auto attack up walk away from the screen (go wash dish's, gossip on the phone, etc).
Woah woah woah. relax there. I thought we were trying to have a reasonable conversation... I was saying that "Twinking" is not for PvE due to the fact you get experience with PvE and experience = leveling up and leveling up = items, that made the character considered a "twink" in your book, useless to them due to the fact they can get better gear by having a higher level.Now if someone made a "farm bot" to farm the crap out of an instance especially if the character is the same level as the instance then all the power too them. But if your going to complain about farming then don't throw "twinks" into it because twinks do not farm, they do not pve, they PvP because when your a twink you do not leave your level (unless your bad, then you just uninstall anyway). Now since your on this rant about farming why not attack level 80s that will farm level 60 places for rare loot? Its the same thing as a 59 doing it except his a higher level..
Apparently, we all have differing opinions of what "twinking" is
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i played AO. liked the twinking they had there. instead of aiming for max lvl with uber items, there were ppl who aimed for lvl 20 -40-60 etc with uber items. whats wrong with this? u can always find someone to wrangle, even for free.
for the "not intended for" part. since the devs. havent removed it yet, dont you think its intentional? maybe those gear/enchants/buffs were indeed intended for that level.
for AOC, i dont know how it will be but i would not want the same thing. in AO twinking gave the feeling of hacking, smuggling which went very well with the setting, genre.
I need more vespene gas.
If twinking can be defined as follows...
Attempting to build a character that is perceived by it's creator to be optimal in terms of attributes, abilities and skills at it's given level.
...then I dont see anything wrong with it, providing it does not significantly unbalanced certain areas of the game to the detriment of other players.
Twinking as I am familiar with it is primarily based around PvP but even if you are able to make some form of PvE twink in certain games, it shouldn't threaten the balance of that game if managed properly.
If someone creates a twink that can run a whole instance solo, I don;t really care as long as I'm not affected. Perhaps certain low-level items will sky-rocket in value, but I'll either get them myself or simply level until they are of no consequence to me anyway.
If someone creates a twink that has extremely well-tuned PvP kit and rapes me in an arena, I don't really care so long as the option to build a smiliar character was equally available to me and skill played a greater part than items.
My only xp of twinking is from WoW where I think there are issues with twinks: kit has too much of an impact over skill and many twink items aren't attainable unless you have a high-level main. This doesn't stop me from twinking, but does spoil BGs a bit for those who aren't/can't twink.
If Blizzard made it possible to twink but reduce the advantage and cost of end result, BGs would be fantastic and the playing field a lot more level. If Funcom takes note and makes twinking available but better managed in AoC, they have a winner for gamers like myself.
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