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  • Shifty360Shifty360 Member Posts: 629

    Pc Gaming is dead?..... Nah

    The recent influx of new MMO players seem to be "high maintainence" and demand something more intricate and engrossing flashing in front of their faces. When they don't get this they feel compelled to go post on forums, warning us of the impending doom all MMOs and games face because of thier personal misfortunes/dislikes.

    The age is not dying, only changing. For better or worse is for you to decide.

     

    On the other hand as many others have pointed out, sales are better than ever. No death in our future.

  • Amon_AmarthAmon_Amarth Member Posts: 219

    Yeah I know PC gaming isn't dead. Who said it was?

  • EulampiosEulampios Member Posts: 48

    Sadly though, gaming will die out sooner or later. It doesn't have to do with which platform they are in.

    Games might still get published, but it won't be the same. Hell, not even today is the same with 10 years ago. Who remembers the hard-cover boxes, that included a soundtrack, maps, a heavy manual, possibly some miniature or a poster?



    Today we haven't only lost the publishing  "cookies" as the games come in a DVD pack with a 10-page manual, but we start experiencing with bad Quality assurance that ruins some of the most hyped games.

     

    Lets hope companies realize the importance of QA and begin spending more money on it.

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  • KalmarthKalmarth Member Posts: 443

    Originally posted by Eulampios


    Sadly though, gaming will die out sooner or later. It doesn't have to do with which platform they are in.
    Games might still get published, but it won't be the same. Hell, not even today is the same with 10 years ago. Who remembers the hard-cover boxes, that included a soundtrack, maps, a heavy manual, possibly some miniature or a poster?
    Well I can name off about 15 games I got in my store right now with extras in them over the STD 49.99 package, they come listed as SE, Special Editions, and there are lots about.

    PC gaming is alive and well, more people now than EVER play PC games, yes XB360 and Wii are making an inpact but that does mean that those people don't have PC's as well.

    With Microsoft setting up a team that is making XBox360 games that will work right on you PC and vice versa looks to me like PC's are here to say, shame I can't say the same for the MAC.

  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515
    Originally posted by Kalmarth


     
    Originally posted by Eulampios


    Sadly though, gaming will die out sooner or later. It doesn't have to do with which platform they are in.
    Games might still get published, but it won't be the same. Hell, not even today is the same with 10 years ago. Who remembers the hard-cover boxes, that included a soundtrack, maps, a heavy manual, possibly some miniature or a poster?
    Well I can name off about 15 games I got in my store right now with extras in them over the STD 49.99 package, they come listed as SE, Special Editions, and there are lots about.

     

    PC gaming is alive and well, more people now than EVER play PC games, yes XB360 and Wii are making an inpact but that does mean that those people don't have PC's as well.

    With Microsoft setting up a team that is making XBox360 games that will work right on you PC and vice versa looks to me like PC's are here to say, shame I can't say the same for the MAC.

    Actually because Macs can now run Windows XP i think you will find this is now wrong.

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  • SharajatSharajat Member Posts: 926

    Originally posted by HYPERI0N

    Originally posted by Kalmarth


     
    Originally posted by Eulampios


    Sadly though, gaming will die out sooner or later. It doesn't have to do with which platform they are in.
    Games might still get published, but it won't be the same. Hell, not even today is the same with 10 years ago. Who remembers the hard-cover boxes, that included a soundtrack, maps, a heavy manual, possibly some miniature or a poster?
    Well I can name off about 15 games I got in my store right now with extras in them over the STD 49.99 package, they come listed as SE, Special Editions, and there are lots about.

     

    PC gaming is alive and well, more people now than EVER play PC games, yes XB360 and Wii are making an inpact but that does mean that those people don't have PC's as well.

    With Microsoft setting up a team that is making XBox360 games that will work right on you PC and vice versa looks to me like PC's are here to say, shame I can't say the same for the MAC.

    Actually because Macs can now run Windows XP i think you will find this is now wrong.

    So you're going to buy an overpriced computer to run Windows XP?  What are you paying an extra 300 for?  Get an apple stencil and spray paint it to the side of your windows box. 

     

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  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515
    Originally posted by Sharajat


     
    Originally posted by HYPERI0N

    Originally posted by Kalmarth


     
    Originally posted by Eulampios


    Sadly though, gaming will die out sooner or later. It doesn't have to do with which platform they are in.
    Games might still get published, but it won't be the same. Hell, not even today is the same with 10 years ago. Who remembers the hard-cover boxes, that included a soundtrack, maps, a heavy manual, possibly some miniature or a poster?
    Well I can name off about 15 games I got in my store right now with extras in them over the STD 49.99 package, they come listed as SE, Special Editions, and there are lots about.

     

    PC gaming is alive and well, more people now than EVER play PC games, yes XB360 and Wii are making an inpact but that does mean that those people don't have PC's as well.

    With Microsoft setting up a team that is making XBox360 games that will work right on you PC and vice versa looks to me like PC's are here to say, shame I can't say the same for the MAC.

    Actually because Macs can now run Windows XP i think you will find this is now wrong.

    So you're going to buy an overpriced computer to run Windows XP?  What are you paying an extra 300 for?  Get an apple stencil and spray paint it to the side of your windows box. 

     

     

    Err no!  i was merely making an observation.

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

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  • RainbirdRainbird Member Posts: 9

    Originally posted by Fion

    Adversely I don't see Console gamers buying 6-12 year old games either, or 2 year old games. Console games have an incredibly limited lifespan. There sales usually spike like crazy in the first two months, but by the 6th month mark, they are all but flat. Many PC games, very often RPGs and Strategy games, continue to sell for years. The reason for this is that PC games can be modded, new maps can be made, new levels, new conversions. Hell there are still GREAT mods being made for Quake 3!

    Just putting in a little note here, modding is now open for the PS3 on the UT3 engine, mods will be coming to the consoles

  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902

     

    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
     
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.
    PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.
    PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

    There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:



    Playstation

     

    PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.

     

    And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.

    Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.

     

    thats completely baseless.  If you can elaborate on this and give some examples you might have a better chance of getting your point across.  However, theres no way you can prove what you say to be even the slightest bit accurate.

     

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  • ZerocydeZerocyde Member UncommonPosts: 412

     

    Originally posted by Desetes

    PC gaming is NOT DEAD

     

    ROFL! What 12 year old with a ps3 told you it was?

     

    This just in: BREATHING IS NOT DEAD!

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  • altairzqaltairzq Member Posts: 3,811
    Originally posted by Rayx0r


     
    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
     
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.
    PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.
    PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

    There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:



    Playstation

     

    PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.

     

    And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.

    Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.

     

    thats completely baseless.  If you can elaborate on this and give some examples you might have a better chance of getting your point across.  However, theres no way you can prove what you say to be even the slightest bit accurate.

     

    Err... can you prove what he say is baseless, give some examples, elaborate on it?

  • kanechartkanechart Member UncommonPosts: 707
    Originally posted by Desetes


    Crysis sold one million copies:
    http://shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51081
     
    The Witcher sold one million copies:
    http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-81964.aspx#Comments
     
     
    I'm sure there's more, but those are the only games I have the info of.
     
    NPD only counts US retail sales. PC gaming may be dead in America, but it's big in the rest of the world.

    what did they do buy there own game a million times :P

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  • SharajatSharajat Member Posts: 926
    Originally posted by kanechart

    Originally posted by Desetes


    Crysis sold one million copies:
    http://shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51081
     
    The Witcher sold one million copies:
    http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-81964.aspx#Comments
     
     
    I'm sure there's more, but those are the only games I have the info of.
     
    NPD only counts US retail sales. PC gaming may be dead in America, but it's big in the rest of the world.

    what did they do buy there own game a million times :P

    Contrary to popular belief, there are places that are not America!  I know, its hard to believe.  Frankly, I'm living in NYC, and we have trouble wrapping our heads around the fact that there's 49 other states out there.  As far as we're concerned, there's New Jersey, Long Island, Upstate, and the weird place we call hicksville (actually we call it something else, but that's a bad word). 

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182

     

    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
     
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.
    PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.
    PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

    There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:



    Playstation

     

    PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.

     

    And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.

    Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.

    Not really, as one only needs to look at the actual games to see how ridiculous his statement is. There is a reason why so many PC games are being released on consoles and why there is barely any difference between the experience of those games. Was the console version of Call of Duty 4, The Elder Scrolls Oblivion altered ? No. If PC gaming is so much more immersive, then why did Bioware release Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, and not the PC? Why would Square enix and Lionhead studios keep developing Deep RPG's such as Final Fantasy 13 and Fable 2 if consoles are "Just for after the pub"?

     

    Oh right, because mrwolf is pulling crap out of his ass and he (and many other PC fanatic) needs to get over his "PC fanatic" elitism, that's why.

    and can we please stop with the "Every person I know..." comments? There are millions of people who play games, each with their own opinion, your group of friends and family do not represtent the entire gaming community.

  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444
    Originally posted by altairzq

    Originally posted by Rayx0r


     
    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
     
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.
    PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.
    PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

    There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:



    Playstation

     

    PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.

     

    And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.

    Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.

     

    thats completely baseless.  If you can elaborate on this and give some examples you might have a better chance of getting your point across.  However, theres no way you can prove what you say to be even the slightest bit accurate.

     

    Err... can you prove what he say is baseless, give some examples, elaborate on it?



    The fact that he made the comment with no real evidence other then, "Every person I know" makes it baseless.

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  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902

     

     

    Originally posted by altairzq

    Originally posted by Rayx0r


     
    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
     
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.
    PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.
    PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

    There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:



    Playstation

     

    PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.

     

    And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.

    Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.

     

    thats completely baseless.  If you can elaborate on this and give some examples you might have a better chance of getting your point across.  However, theres no way you can prove what you say to be even the slightest bit accurate.

     

    Err... can you prove what he say is baseless, give some examples, elaborate on it?



    im not out to prove anything, he is.   Hes trying to make a point, and im the person hes trying to convince.  Once he shows me something evident of what hes saying, I'll retort.  Until then.. Im just not convinced.

     

     but when someone uses a percentage such as 99% and speaks about all encompasing platforms, and follows it up with "everyone I know",  .. well need I say more?

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  • tates11tates11 Member UncommonPosts: 17

    Your right piracy is one of the major problems of the game producers today... and worse of it... I think they are more serious on producing on the consoles(I think so).

    The graphics are much intense on the consoles than in the PCs...

  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444

    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
     
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.
    PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.
    PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

    There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:



    Playstation

     

    PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.

     

    And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.

    Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.

    Not really, as one only needs to look at the actual games to see how ridiculous his statement is. There is a reason why so many PC games are being released on consoles and why there is barely any difference between the experience of those games. Was the console version of Call of Duty 4, The Elder Scrolls Oblivion altered ? No. If PC gaming is so much more immersive, then why did Bioware release Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, and not the PC? Why would Square enix and Lionhead studios keep developing Deep RPG's such as Final Fantasy 13 and Fable 2 if consoles are "Just for after the pub"?

     

    LMAO if you think the Final Fantasy Movies have been deep since FF7, you've just proven my opinion.

    Till you offer up some real proof, it's still just your opinion.  Not a very good one at that.

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  • tates11tates11 Member UncommonPosts: 17

    I somewhat kind have to agree with you but if games would look too realistic then it would look like a crap that the fantasy theme would be crap...

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by Gameloading


     
     
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.
    PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.
    PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

    There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:



    Playstation

     

    PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.

     

    And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.

    Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.

    Not really, as one only needs to look at the actual games to see how ridiculous his statement is. There is a reason why so many PC games are being released on consoles and why there is barely any difference between the experience of those games. Was the console version of Call of Duty 4, The Elder Scrolls Oblivion altered ? No. If PC gaming is so much more immersive, then why did Bioware release Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, and not the PC? Why would Square enix and Lionhead studios keep developing Deep RPG's such as Final Fantasy 13 and Fable 2 if consoles are "Just for after the pub"?

     

    LMAO if you think the Final Fantasy Movies have been deep since FF7, you've just proven my opinion.

    The fact that you are completely ignoring my other examples just proves you're just grasping at straws. and Final Fantasy movies? Who is talking about Final Fantasy movies? I'm talking about the games, not the movies.

  • Psiho246Psiho246 Member Posts: 482

    Roffle, Fable a deep RPG xD

    You console people obviusely don´t know what a "deep" RPG is.

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