As mentioned, piracy makes consoles much more appealing to most developers. My guess is that in the not too distant future, almost all content will be internet-based either through an Xbox360 <whatever the name of that subscription is> or Steam or some other verification process. Online buying only which records your processor ID so keygens won't work would also be a likely anti-piracy step. The days of "free" games via torrents is limited...
i laughed to this post. Have you guys missed that World of warcraft have hit 10million players. and that makes it what ? the biggest game ever or somting o_O. i mean.... ppl dont play that game lika stupid console game. Wow players live for that game spending a whole lot more houers than ppl with consoles spend.
PC games rule everything in gaming, seriusly how can ppl play shoot em up games on a a console. no precicion or reflex gaming at all.
Of course PC games are not dead. Console actually still IS king - with something like a 20% edge in gross revenue over PC gaming. But you're still talking about over four billion US dollars a year in PC sales and subscription fees, *and* a steady rate of NONSTOP GROWTH over the last decade.
Yeah, a lot of revenue has shifted from box sales to subscription sales. Yeah, a lot has left the retail stores and moved to D2D systems. That is the nature of business - the only constant is that it will always change. But the industry is changing - not dying.
Why did they release it to the Xbox360 only? Because it was very heavily funded by M$. It's also the reason any game goes Vista only lol.
Have to concur with this. I do not think it is coincidental that this new rash of "oh no, PC gaming is dying!" is happening immediately after three major console releases - the time when console specific game funding is always at its highest! New consoles mean a slew of new heavily funded games right afterwards; and heavily funded games means games generally released for JUST that platform.
The Vista comparison is apt. Microsoft is taking a major hit on each of those Vista only titles, because the number of Vista users is still small. It's a gamble on their part, to try to help boost Vista sales among the high end user crowd - most of whom are gamers. (Of course, this backfired when users distributed the simple file changes needed to make all those "Vista only" games playable on XP, and proved M$ was lying through its teeth when it said they could not be made to run on anything but Vista...but I digress...)
You should always expect a number of new high profile games to be made for any new platform. It's good business. And you have to remember that PC games gain a big percent of their total sales from subscriptions now, which means less actual box sales, which means less actual games created. As console games go online and start charging for online play (subs, RMT, whatever), we'll likely see a similar thing happen there.
Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant. PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though. PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.
There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:
Playstation
PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.
And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.
Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.
Not really, as one only needs to look at the actual games to see how ridiculous his statement is. There is a reason why so many PC games are being released on consoles and why there is barely any difference between the experience of those games. Was the console version of Call of Duty 4, The Elder Scrolls Oblivion altered ? No. If PC gaming is so much more immersive, then why did Bioware release Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, and not the PC? Why would Square enix and Lionhead studios keep developing Deep RPG's such as Final Fantasy 13 and Fable 2 if consoles are "Just for after the pub"?
Oh right, because mrwolf is pulling crap out of his ass and he (and many other PC fanatic) needs to get over his "PC fanatic" elitism, that's why.
and can we please stop with the "Every person I know..." comments? There are millions of people who play games, each with their own opinion, your group of friends and family do not represtent the entire gaming community.
"Pick up and play" is a console game design priority. In PC game design, this priority is often over taken by the principle of "learning curve". These are two very distinct and opposing game design principles used by developers. PC gamers and Console gamers do want different styles games.
Platform games, beat-em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming, but largely ignored by PC gamers. Similarly, flight sims and MMO's are not common sellers in the world of console games.
Console games, quite simply do not provide the same experience as PC games. They have their own individual set of design priorities.
What's the difference between being a PC fanatic and a Console fanatic? Each medium has it's own strengths and weaknesses, you should find the one that best suits your own. You are a fanatic when you claim that the weaknesses of one system out perform the strengths of another, or when you fail to recognise any relative weaknesses in your platform of choice completely.
Lionhead's (glorious and highly rated by me) RPG's are not really comparable to the average PC RPG in terms of depth. There is a very large difference between the average console RPG and the average PC RPG. There are many that are comparable and a few that are multi-platform, but usually the interface and the options in console RPG's are very limited by comparison. Really and honestly, can you compare Bioware's console games with say Dark Ages of Camelot for complexity? Of course you can't. I don't want to go as far as give a 99% figure on this, but.......
PC games dominate the market for depth.
It's a different design ethic for a different audience.
COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both.
If you really want to see the difference, you must compare games that weren't. So while COD4 can run on both a console and a PC, Cryssis, released at the same time and also an FPS, can't.
But did you really find COD 4 immersive? This is the big question. I didn't. It's an arcade shooter. I like simulation games. I found Red Orchestra immersive, or the The Regiment. Perhaps even America's Army. Hidden and Dangerous 2, Operation Flashpoint. All highly immersive. But sorry, none of the COD series. Thankfully that franchise has made the jump over to console where it belongs.
(Consoles do pretty serious driving sims BTW).
If this was the kind of gameplay I was looking for then I would be a bigger console game fan than I am. I am Roflofagus that you should choose COD 4 as a game title that exemplifies the words deep, mature, realistic and complex. What exactly is so realistic about endlessly spawning enemies, being shot 4,000 times over a 12 hour period and not being wounded. What is so mature about another teh U.S. saves the world from teh bad guys theme, and shooting 1,000 Russians and Muslims? What is so complex about running through a linear game with audio prompts telling you which direction to go? And deep? You really had to think hard to complete this game did you?
Lmaosville.
This is typical of the console community. Play a load of utter brainless slosh and harp on about how intelligent it was. I can see how playing COD 4 has expanded and disciplined your mind. How much smarter you must feel for playing it.
"Every person I know" is a way by which we measure the credability of our research. While an internet poll could tell me that the world is about to end or that 99% of people in the world think chocolate is evil, we apply a reality test to this kind of information by seeing if this agree's with our own basic experiences and those of the "people we know". Statisitics alone have no credability with direct and person evidence to reinforce them.
Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant. PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though. PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.
There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:
Playstation
PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.
And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.
Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.
Not really, as one only needs to look at the actual games to see how ridiculous his statement is. There is a reason why so many PC games are being released on consoles and why there is barely any difference between the experience of those games. Was the console version of Call of Duty 4, The Elder Scrolls Oblivion altered ? No. If PC gaming is so much more immersive, then why did Bioware release Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, and not the PC? Why would Square enix and Lionhead studios keep developing Deep RPG's such as Final Fantasy 13 and Fable 2 if consoles are "Just for after the pub"?
Oh right, because mrwolf is pulling crap out of his ass and he (and many other PC fanatic) needs to get over his "PC fanatic" elitism, that's why.
and can we please stop with the "Every person I know..." comments? There are millions of people who play games, each with their own opinion, your group of friends and family do not represtent the entire gaming community.
"Pick up and play" is a console game design priority. In PC game design, this priority is often over taken by the principle of "learning curve". These are two very distinct and opposing game design principles used by developers. PC gamers and Console gamers do want different styles games.
Platform games, beat-em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming, but largely ignored by PC gamers. Similarly, flight sims and MMO's are not common sellers in the world of console games.
Console games, quite simply do not provide the same experience as PC games. They have their own individual set of design priorities.
What's the difference between being a PC fanatic and a Console fanatic? Each medium has it's own strengths and weaknesses, you should find the one that best suits your own. You are a fanatic when you claim that the weaknesses of one system out perform the strengths of another, or when you fail to recognise any relative weaknesses in your platform of choice completely.
Lionhead's (glorious and highly rated by me) RPG's are not really comparable to the average PC RPG in terms of depth. There is a very large difference between the average console RPG and the average PC RPG. There are many that are comparable and a few that are multi-platform, but usually the interface and the options in console RPG's are very limited by comparison. Really and honestly, can you compare Bioware's console games with say Dark Ages of Camelot for complexity? Of course you can't. I don't want to go as far as give a 99% figure on this, but.......
PC games dominate the market for depth.
It's a different design ethic for a different audience.
COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both.
If you really want to see the difference, you must compare games that weren't. So while COD4 can run on both a console and a PC, Cryssis, released at the same time and also an FPS, can't.
But did you really find COD 4 immersive? This is the big question. I didn't. It's an arcade shooter. I like simulation games. I found Red Orchestra immersive, or the The Regiment. Perhaps even America's Army. Hidden and Dangerous 2, Operation Flashpoint. All highly immersive. But sorry, none of the COD series. Thankfully that franchise has made the jump over to console where it belongs.
(Consoles do pretty serious driving sims BTW).
If this was the kind of gameplay I was looking for then I would be a bigger console game fan than I am. I am Roflofagus that you should choose COD 4 as a game title that exemplifies the words deep, mature, realistic and complex. What exactly is so realistic about endlessly spawning enemies, being shot 4,000 times over a 12 hour period and not being wounded. What is so mature about another teh U.S. saves the world from teh bad guys theme, and shooting 1,000 Russians and Muslims? What is so complex about running through a linear game with audio prompts telling you which direction to go? And deep? You really had to think hard to complete this game did you?
Lmaosville.
This is typical of the console community. Play a load of utter brainless slosh and harp on about how intelligent it was. I can see how playing COD 4 has expanded and disciplined your mind. How much smarter you must feel for playing it.
"Every person I know" is a way by which we measure the credability of our research. While an internet poll could tell me that the world is about to end or that 99% of people in the world think chocolate is evil, we apply a reality test to this kind of information by seeing if this agree's with our own basic experiences and those of the "people we know". Statisitics alone have no credability with direct and person evidence to reinforce them.
" "Pick up and play" is a console game design priority. In PC game design, this priority is often over taken by the principle of "learning curve". These are two very distinct and opposing game design principles used by developers. PC gamers and Console gamers do want different styles games."
"Platform games, beat-em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming, but largely ignored by PC gamers. Similarly, flight sims and MMO's are not common sellers in the world of console games."
I see playing to many PC games has made you lose focus on what is actually avaible on consoles. It's obvious you have little to no understanding of console gameplay. Platform, Beatm em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming? I'm sorry, have you been living under a rock? The platform genre has been in mainstream decline since the year 2000 and the beat em up genre has been dead since the mid 90's. Do you even know what a console look likes?
"Lionhead's (glorious and highly rated by me) RPG's are not really comparable to the average PC RPG in terms of depth. There is a very large difference between the average console RPG and the average PC RPG. There are many that are comparable and a few that are multi-platform, but usually the interface and the options in console RPG's are very limited by comparison. Really and honestly, can you compare Bioware's console games with say Dark Ages of Camelot for complexity? Of course you can't. I don't want to go as far as give a 99% figure on this, but......."
You obviously has done little to no research on Fable 2. I urge anyone to do some actual research on the title before you comment about it. Yes, I played Fable and I know what kind of game it is, but if everything Molyneux says about Fable 2 is true (You never know with him) then you can't even compare the complexity of Fable 2 to Fable 1. Can I compare bioware's Mass Effect with Dark age of camelot? Are you refering to the Mythic game? Please. Dark Age of Camelot is not even in the same galaxy as Mass Effect in terms of complexity. Dark age of Camelot is Everquest with RvR slapped on it, that's not complexity, that is basic mmorpg design.
COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both.
Incorrect again. the Call of Duty franchise started on the PC, not the consoles. There is no difference in terms of gameplay and design in Call of Duty 1 and 4. The problem with PC fanatics as yourself is that you blame consoles for dumbing down a franchise. this is not the case, gaming in general is being dumbed down to appeal to a broader audience, PC gaming included. Sure you can point to older PC RPG's and say those have more depth, and I agree, but those are the old days. Back then you could afford to sell only a few thousand copies to be profitable. nowadays you MUST sell hundreds of thousands of copies, which forces the vast majority of games to turn mainstream.
Just Oblivion lacks some of the depth Morrowind had, just like Morrowind lacks some of the depth Daggerfall had.
I don't know of any game that captures the sense of modern warfare in the middle east better then Call of Duty 4. Ofcourse you need to play it on the higher difficulty setting to get to the realistic part of the game. It's not a gun blazing game on the veteran setting I assure you.
Audio promts telling you where to go? wow. Newsflash: Soldiers are always told where to go and what to do by superiors during combat. And ofcourse you need to understand that Call of Duty 4 are always about big battles, not "Uber soldier sneeks into complex" or "Small team of soldiers finish a mission" type of game.
I never said Call of Duty was complex, but it's definitly realistic.
I have to admit it, I am indeed a console hater, if I denied it I would be lieing. However there really is no need to throw a paddy pal, as for the insults, you don't even fucking know me. You wouldn't speak to people irl like that so what makes you think you can to me, here?
We were discussing and I put my opinion accross based on playing PC games for about 20 years and consoles even longer. I stopped playing consoles more recently when I felt that the amount of gameplay from each game simply didn't represent a worth while investment, not so much in money but more so in time spent. In my experience the difference between how people use consoles and PC for games is as I stated, it is doesn't matter how much you dissagree or throw a fit, it's what I see week in week out. I'm not saying consoles dont have a place as stated, after a night out I've spent many a twilight hour on mariocart multiplayer around a mates house. (He has a wii now and while it does look fun, a group of grown men standing in a room frantically making wanking genstures to a screen as fast as they can, is a parody too far for me)
I will however admit ff7 was one of the best games I have ever played and probably ever will also, A link to Past, great games. But IMO they had gamplay and depth that I dont see when playing other console games. Now for the admitions, I have not played bio shock or many new rpg's on a console (mainly because I gave away my ps3's and 360). I did play oblivion, on PC, nice looking, shallow IMO.
***Many IMO's for you gl. Also the other guy who said I have to prove my point that I was shoving down your throat, actually no I don't, In fact I wouldn't know what I was supposed to proving? you want pictures of me pissed as a fart playing consoles?
P.S. sorry for delay in reply, blew up 1 mb and a cpu
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I have to admit it, I am indeed a console hater, if I denied it I would be lieing. However there really is no need to throw a paddy pal, as for the insults, you don't even fucking know me. You wouldn't speak to people irl like that so what makes you think you can to me, here? We were discussing and I put my opinion accross based on playing PC games for about 20 years and consoles even longer. I stopped playing consoles more recently when I felt that the amount of gameplay from each game simply didn't represent a worth while investment, not so much in money but more so in time spent. In my experience the difference between how people use consoles and PC for games is as I stated, it is doesn't matter how much you dissagree or throw a fit, it's what I see week in week out. I'm not saying consoles dont have a place as stated, after a night out I've spent many a twilight hour on mariocart multiplayer around a mates house. (He has a wii now and while it does look fun, a group of grown men standing in a room frantically making wanking genstures to a screen as fast as they can, is a parody too far for me) I will however admit ff7 was one of the best games I have ever played and probably ever will also, A link to Past, great games. But IMO they had gamplay and depth that I dont see when playing other console games. Now for the admitions, I have not played bio shock or many new rpg's on a console (mainly because I gave away my ps3's and 360). I did play oblivion, on PC, nice looking, shallow IMO.
***Many IMO's for you gl. Also the other guy who said I have to prove my point that I was shoving down your throat, actually no I don't, In fact I wouldn't know what I was supposed to proving? you want pictures of me pissed as a fart playing consoles? P.S. sorry for delay in reply, blew up 1 mb and a cpu
wait, first you complain I 'insulted you', Claiming that I don't know you. In the sentence right after that you claim "You wouldn't speak to people irl like that".
Well aside from the statement being silly, I actually do talk to people like that who make very ignorant and elitist statements like that.
It's actually surprising that you use FF7 and A link to the past as examples of games with depth, as there are plenty of console games that have a lot more depth then those games.
It totally depends on what games you buy. If you keep buying games like Mario Kart then I'm not surprised you get a very flawed idea of what console games have to offer, but there are plenty of console games with depth, such as Final Fantasy X and Mass Effect. The thing with consoles is that they appeal to much bigger and diverse audience then PC's do, with the result that software library is much more diverse. You have games like Super Smash Brothers for casuals, but you also have games like Virtua Fighter 5, which, to use a quote a reviewer, has so much depth that it can take a lifetime to master. You have games like Mario Karts and Burnout for more casual arcade like players, but there is also Forza Motorsport 2 and Gran Turismo 5, with hundreds of cars and where every tweak you make to your car has an effect on your driving performance. You have a game like Paper Mario, But you also get a Final Fantasy, Mass Effect or Elder Scrolls.
My point is that there are both hardcore games with deep experiences AND not so deep games that are aimed for a more casual audience.
You have games like Super Smash Brothers for casuals, but you also have games like Virtua Fighter 5, which, to use a quote a reviewer, has so much depth that it can take a lifetime to master.
Pfft, Virtua Fighter 5 has depth? I present to you, in all its glory, the deepest beat 'em up ever known to man.. http://www.omf.com/
Before I get charbroiled, allow me to say it was a joke. I just couldn't resist plugging that game somewhere.
The latest games are on the market now is almost for consoles. They should try to balance their released games on PC and other consoles to prevent discrimination...
COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both. If you really want to see the difference, you must compare games that weren't. So while COD4 can run on both a console and a PC, Cryssis, released at the same time and also an FPS, can't.
A very valid point, which should be used when comparing all games across the PS3/360/PC. All games made for any of these platforms are made, limited by the lowest common nominator, usually not the PC as it is scalable. It depends on the developers and their skill with the different consoles.
It's not that I don't think Consoles are excellent and powerful systems, it's just that I want to upgrade, not downgrade.
It's geting way to expensive and time consuming to consider the PC a gaming platform. I had good times on it but I don't have this need to stick with it out of loyalty. It's not dead, there will always be gaming, but focus on gaming is shifting to consoles, it just is. This generation of consoles is on the same stage as PC with pure power and the next could probably surpass it in funcionality.
All sorts of linux based operating systems are poping up, they have almost the same funcionality as windows, but with alot less agrivation, they just work and work for you, not for you to keep working on them.
This genration is a tie, but next one the consoles will take some ground.
PC will will always be most importend platform for gaming, becouse its where cutting edge in technoligy will be, grafics and hardware.
Consoles are maybe nice sometimes sitting in livingroom playing with femaly but PC always have so much more to offer then a restricted system with gamepad.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
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It's not that I don't think Consoles are excellent and powerful systems, it's just that I want to upgrade, not downgrade.
It's geting way to expensive and time consuming to consider the PC a gaming platform. I had good times on it but I don't have this need to stick with it out of loyalty. It's not dead, there will always be gaming, but focus on gaming is shifting to consoles, it just is. This generation of consoles is on the same stage as PC with pure power and the next could probably surpass it in funcionality.
All sorts of linux based operating systems are poping up, they have almost the same funcionality as windows, but with alot less agrivation, they just work and work for you, not for you to keep working on them.
This genration is a tie, but next one the consoles will take some ground.
On day PS3 was launched, it was already far behind pc with hardware.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
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this is seriously so dumb. games industry in general is growing at a huge rate. its already bigger than the movie industry and its only getting bigger.
seriously...dumb thread
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this is seriously so dumb. games industry in general is growing at a huge rate. its already bigger than the movie industry and its only getting bigger.
seriously...dumb thread
Its just a shout that PC is still a good platform to play games and it is.
Ive seen far DUMBER threads here on forum.
Zillions uselless game A vs game B topics:P
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Originally posted by Death1942 where the hell did this stupid thread come from?
this is seriously so dumb. games industry in general is growing at a huge rate. its already bigger than the movie industry and its only getting bigger.
seriously...dumb thread
I suspect its in response to the two PC gaming is dead threads that have been here recently.
But its not - Mass Effect is out on PC in May
BioWare and EA are very pleased and proud to announce Mass Effect for the PC. The game will be released for the PC in May 2008. Published by EA and re-designed for the PC, Mass Effect invites players to take the role of Commander Shepard as they set out on an adventure to save the galaxy from imminent destruction. Wrought with treachery, heroism, difficult decisions and a universe filled with unique and colorful species, Mass Effect delivers a truly compelling storyline.
I cant wait - it took nearly 2 years to get Jade Empire ported. Now its just a couple of months - so it was obviously planned from the start.
this is seriously so dumb. games industry in general is growing at a huge rate. its already bigger than the movie industry and its only getting bigger.
seriously...dumb thread
Its just a shout that PC is still a good platform to play games and it is.
Ive seen far DUMBER threads here on forum.
Zillions uselless game A vs game B topics:P
Heh yea like that Glass is a liquid Topic on the Off Topic forum
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I actually had to get up and take a breather after reading some of the really painful comments on this topic. The thing is, the pc people really come off as being elitist, basically theyre insinuating, because we prefer PCs were smarter, more talented, and just plain better than people who like consoles. Thats a huge turn off to me, I love my PCs, I built my desktop a little over a year ago, and just bought a gaming laptop a couple of months ago.
However that being said I do also appreciate my xbox 360, as mentioned its more relaxing to play to me, I can kick back in my lazyboy with just a controller and have at it. Sometimes I prefer simplicty. Furthermore, you are comparing these two things like you have to make some sort of choice. I for one use my console and PCs for different things. When my friends come over, we throw back some beers, blast each other in some halo, talk some smack, and have a good ole time. Im sorry but I cant see all my friends crowding around a pc monitor and enjoying it as much. Theyre two wholey seperate entities that are used for different situations.
This whole "Im better than you because I PC game" is unjustified, in fact it really turns me off that because I enjoy PC gaming someone might lump me into that crowd.
I dont know if its just some kind of ego driven thing, the same kind of ego that says "You play WoW? well im better than you!"
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Consoles are ruling the in the industry but PCs should be more praised
As mentioned, piracy makes consoles much more appealing to most developers. My guess is that in the not too distant future, almost all content will be internet-based either through an Xbox360 <whatever the name of that subscription is> or Steam or some other verification process. Online buying only which records your processor ID so keygens won't work would also be a likely anti-piracy step. The days of "free" games via torrents is limited...
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i laughed to this post. Have you guys missed that World of warcraft have hit 10million players. and that makes it what ? the biggest game ever or somting o_O. i mean.... ppl dont play that game lika stupid console game. Wow players live for that game spending a whole lot more houers than ppl with consoles spend.
PC games rule everything in gaming, seriusly how can ppl play shoot em up games on a a console. no precicion or reflex gaming at all.
music is a weapon
Of course PC games are not dead.
Console actually still IS king - with something like a 20% edge in gross revenue over PC gaming. But you're still talking about over four billion US dollars a year in PC sales and subscription fees, *and* a steady rate of NONSTOP GROWTH over the last decade.
Yeah, a lot of revenue has shifted from box sales to subscription sales. Yeah, a lot has left the retail stores and moved to D2D systems. That is the nature of business - the only constant is that it will always change. But the industry is changing - not dying.
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The Vista comparison is apt. Microsoft is taking a major hit on each of those Vista only titles, because the number of Vista users is still small. It's a gamble on their part, to try to help boost Vista sales among the high end user crowd - most of whom are gamers. (Of course, this backfired when users distributed the simple file changes needed to make all those "Vista only" games playable on XP, and proved M$ was lying through its teeth when it said they could not be made to run on anything but Vista...but I digress...)
You should always expect a number of new high profile games to be made for any new platform. It's good business. And you have to remember that PC games gain a big percent of their total sales from subscriptions now, which means less actual box sales, which means less actual games created. As console games go online and start charging for online play (subs, RMT, whatever), we'll likely see a similar thing happen there.
Owyn
Commander, Defenders of Order
http://www.defendersoforder.com
There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:
Playstation
PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.
And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.
Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.
Not really, as one only needs to look at the actual games to see how ridiculous his statement is. There is a reason why so many PC games are being released on consoles and why there is barely any difference between the experience of those games. Was the console version of Call of Duty 4, The Elder Scrolls Oblivion altered ? No. If PC gaming is so much more immersive, then why did Bioware release Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, and not the PC? Why would Square enix and Lionhead studios keep developing Deep RPG's such as Final Fantasy 13 and Fable 2 if consoles are "Just for after the pub"?
Oh right, because mrwolf is pulling crap out of his ass and he (and many other PC fanatic) needs to get over his "PC fanatic" elitism, that's why.
and can we please stop with the "Every person I know..." comments? There are millions of people who play games, each with their own opinion, your group of friends and family do not represtent the entire gaming community.
"Pick up and play" is a console game design priority. In PC game design, this priority is often over taken by the principle of "learning curve". These are two very distinct and opposing game design principles used by developers. PC gamers and Console gamers do want different styles games.
Platform games, beat-em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming, but largely ignored by PC gamers. Similarly, flight sims and MMO's are not common sellers in the world of console games.
Console games, quite simply do not provide the same experience as PC games. They have their own individual set of design priorities.
What's the difference between being a PC fanatic and a Console fanatic? Each medium has it's own strengths and weaknesses, you should find the one that best suits your own. You are a fanatic when you claim that the weaknesses of one system out perform the strengths of another, or when you fail to recognise any relative weaknesses in your platform of choice completely.
Lionhead's (glorious and highly rated by me) RPG's are not really comparable to the average PC RPG in terms of depth. There is a very large difference between the average console RPG and the average PC RPG. There are many that are comparable and a few that are multi-platform, but usually the interface and the options in console RPG's are very limited by comparison. Really and honestly, can you compare Bioware's console games with say Dark Ages of Camelot for complexity? Of course you can't. I don't want to go as far as give a 99% figure on this, but.......
PC games dominate the market for depth.
It's a different design ethic for a different audience.
COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both.
If you really want to see the difference, you must compare games that weren't. So while COD4 can run on both a console and a PC, Cryssis, released at the same time and also an FPS, can't.
But did you really find COD 4 immersive? This is the big question. I didn't. It's an arcade shooter. I like simulation games. I found Red Orchestra immersive, or the The Regiment. Perhaps even America's Army. Hidden and Dangerous 2, Operation Flashpoint. All highly immersive. But sorry, none of the COD series. Thankfully that franchise has made the jump over to console where it belongs.
(Consoles do pretty serious driving sims BTW).
If this was the kind of gameplay I was looking for then I would be a bigger console game fan than I am. I am Roflofagus that you should choose COD 4 as a game title that exemplifies the words deep, mature, realistic and complex. What exactly is so realistic about endlessly spawning enemies, being shot 4,000 times over a 12 hour period and not being wounded. What is so mature about another teh U.S. saves the world from teh bad guys theme, and shooting 1,000 Russians and Muslims? What is so complex about running through a linear game with audio prompts telling you which direction to go? And deep? You really had to think hard to complete this game did you?
Lmaosville.
This is typical of the console community. Play a load of utter brainless slosh and harp on about how intelligent it was. I can see how playing COD 4 has expanded and disciplined your mind. How much smarter you must feel for playing it.
"Every person I know" is a way by which we measure the credability of our research. While an internet poll could tell me that the world is about to end or that 99% of people in the world think chocolate is evil, we apply a reality test to this kind of information by seeing if this agree's with our own basic experiences and those of the "people we know". Statisitics alone have no credability with direct and person evidence to reinforce them.
There is only one word needed to completely disprove your arguement:
Playstation
PC's don't provide more indepth immersive and realistic entertainment then consoles do and everyone who says consoles are just plug n laff with your friends obviously has not even the slightest clue about consoles. It's clear that you came to that conclussion on an incorrect assumption and not through actually doing research on the console software library.
And if you think PCs games aren't, 99% of the time, more deep, more mature, more complex and very often more realistic. Then you are just as incorrectly assuming as he is.
Every person I know who plays console games and PC games.. readily admits that.
Not really, as one only needs to look at the actual games to see how ridiculous his statement is. There is a reason why so many PC games are being released on consoles and why there is barely any difference between the experience of those games. Was the console version of Call of Duty 4, The Elder Scrolls Oblivion altered ? No. If PC gaming is so much more immersive, then why did Bioware release Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, and not the PC? Why would Square enix and Lionhead studios keep developing Deep RPG's such as Final Fantasy 13 and Fable 2 if consoles are "Just for after the pub"?
Oh right, because mrwolf is pulling crap out of his ass and he (and many other PC fanatic) needs to get over his "PC fanatic" elitism, that's why.
and can we please stop with the "Every person I know..." comments? There are millions of people who play games, each with their own opinion, your group of friends and family do not represtent the entire gaming community.
"Pick up and play" is a console game design priority. In PC game design, this priority is often over taken by the principle of "learning curve". These are two very distinct and opposing game design principles used by developers. PC gamers and Console gamers do want different styles games.
Platform games, beat-em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming, but largely ignored by PC gamers. Similarly, flight sims and MMO's are not common sellers in the world of console games.
Console games, quite simply do not provide the same experience as PC games. They have their own individual set of design priorities.
What's the difference between being a PC fanatic and a Console fanatic? Each medium has it's own strengths and weaknesses, you should find the one that best suits your own. You are a fanatic when you claim that the weaknesses of one system out perform the strengths of another, or when you fail to recognise any relative weaknesses in your platform of choice completely.
Lionhead's (glorious and highly rated by me) RPG's are not really comparable to the average PC RPG in terms of depth. There is a very large difference between the average console RPG and the average PC RPG. There are many that are comparable and a few that are multi-platform, but usually the interface and the options in console RPG's are very limited by comparison. Really and honestly, can you compare Bioware's console games with say Dark Ages of Camelot for complexity? Of course you can't. I don't want to go as far as give a 99% figure on this, but.......
PC games dominate the market for depth.
It's a different design ethic for a different audience.
COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both.
If you really want to see the difference, you must compare games that weren't. So while COD4 can run on both a console and a PC, Cryssis, released at the same time and also an FPS, can't.
But did you really find COD 4 immersive? This is the big question. I didn't. It's an arcade shooter. I like simulation games. I found Red Orchestra immersive, or the The Regiment. Perhaps even America's Army. Hidden and Dangerous 2, Operation Flashpoint. All highly immersive. But sorry, none of the COD series. Thankfully that franchise has made the jump over to console where it belongs.
(Consoles do pretty serious driving sims BTW).
If this was the kind of gameplay I was looking for then I would be a bigger console game fan than I am. I am Roflofagus that you should choose COD 4 as a game title that exemplifies the words deep, mature, realistic and complex. What exactly is so realistic about endlessly spawning enemies, being shot 4,000 times over a 12 hour period and not being wounded. What is so mature about another teh U.S. saves the world from teh bad guys theme, and shooting 1,000 Russians and Muslims? What is so complex about running through a linear game with audio prompts telling you which direction to go? And deep? You really had to think hard to complete this game did you?
Lmaosville.
This is typical of the console community. Play a load of utter brainless slosh and harp on about how intelligent it was. I can see how playing COD 4 has expanded and disciplined your mind. How much smarter you must feel for playing it.
"Every person I know" is a way by which we measure the credability of our research. While an internet poll could tell me that the world is about to end or that 99% of people in the world think chocolate is evil, we apply a reality test to this kind of information by seeing if this agree's with our own basic experiences and those of the "people we know". Statisitics alone have no credability with direct and person evidence to reinforce them.
" "Pick up and play" is a console game design priority. In PC game design, this priority is often over taken by the principle of "learning curve". These are two very distinct and opposing game design principles used by developers. PC gamers and Console gamers do want different styles games."
"Platform games, beat-em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming, but largely ignored by PC gamers. Similarly, flight sims and MMO's are not common sellers in the world of console games."
I see playing to many PC games has made you lose focus on what is actually avaible on consoles. It's obvious you have little to no understanding of console gameplay. Platform, Beatm em ups and racing car games are mainstays of console gaming? I'm sorry, have you been living under a rock? The platform genre has been in mainstream decline since the year 2000 and the beat em up genre has been dead since the mid 90's. Do you even know what a console look likes?
"Lionhead's (glorious and highly rated by me) RPG's are not really comparable to the average PC RPG in terms of depth. There is a very large difference between the average console RPG and the average PC RPG. There are many that are comparable and a few that are multi-platform, but usually the interface and the options in console RPG's are very limited by comparison. Really and honestly, can you compare Bioware's console games with say Dark Ages of Camelot for complexity? Of course you can't. I don't want to go as far as give a 99% figure on this, but......."
You obviously has done little to no research on Fable 2. I urge anyone to do some actual research on the title before you comment about it. Yes, I played Fable and I know what kind of game it is, but if everything Molyneux says about Fable 2 is true (You never know with him) then you can't even compare the complexity of Fable 2 to Fable 1. Can I compare bioware's Mass Effect with Dark age of camelot? Are you refering to the Mythic game? Please. Dark Age of Camelot is not even in the same galaxy as Mass Effect in terms of complexity. Dark age of Camelot is Everquest with RvR slapped on it, that's not complexity, that is basic mmorpg design.
COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both.
Incorrect again. the Call of Duty franchise started on the PC, not the consoles. There is no difference in terms of gameplay and design in Call of Duty 1 and 4. The problem with PC fanatics as yourself is that you blame consoles for dumbing down a franchise. this is not the case, gaming in general is being dumbed down to appeal to a broader audience, PC gaming included. Sure you can point to older PC RPG's and say those have more depth, and I agree, but those are the old days. Back then you could afford to sell only a few thousand copies to be profitable. nowadays you MUST sell hundreds of thousands of copies, which forces the vast majority of games to turn mainstream.
Just Oblivion lacks some of the depth Morrowind had, just like Morrowind lacks some of the depth Daggerfall had.
I don't know of any game that captures the sense of modern warfare in the middle east better then Call of Duty 4. Ofcourse you need to play it on the higher difficulty setting to get to the realistic part of the game. It's not a gun blazing game on the veteran setting I assure you.
Audio promts telling you where to go? wow. Newsflash: Soldiers are always told where to go and what to do by superiors during combat. And ofcourse you need to understand that Call of Duty 4 are always about big battles, not "Uber soldier sneeks into complex" or "Small team of soldiers finish a mission" type of game.
I never said Call of Duty was complex, but it's definitly realistic.
Is this a quoting party and i have not been invited?
I have to admit it, I am indeed a console hater, if I denied it I would be lieing. However there really is no need to throw a paddy pal, as for the insults, you don't even fucking know me. You wouldn't speak to people irl like that so what makes you think you can to me, here?
We were discussing and I put my opinion accross based on playing PC games for about 20 years and consoles even longer. I stopped playing consoles more recently when I felt that the amount of gameplay from each game simply didn't represent a worth while investment, not so much in money but more so in time spent. In my experience the difference between how people use consoles and PC for games is as I stated, it is doesn't matter how much you dissagree or throw a fit, it's what I see week in week out. I'm not saying consoles dont have a place as stated, after a night out I've spent many a twilight hour on mariocart multiplayer around a mates house. (He has a wii now and while it does look fun, a group of grown men standing in a room frantically making wanking genstures to a screen as fast as they can, is a parody too far for me
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I will however admit ff7 was one of the best games I have ever played and probably ever will also, A link to Past, great games. But IMO they had gamplay and depth that I dont see when playing other console games. Now for the admitions, I have not played bio shock or many new rpg's on a console (mainly because I gave away my ps3's and 360). I did play oblivion, on PC, nice looking, shallow IMO.
***Many IMO's for you gl. Also the other guy who said I have to prove my point that I was shoving down your throat, actually no I don't, In fact I wouldn't know what I was supposed to proving? you want pictures of me pissed as a fart playing consoles?
P.S. sorry for delay in reply, blew up 1 mb and a cpu
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
wait, first you complain I 'insulted you', Claiming that I don't know you. In the sentence right after that you claim "You wouldn't speak to people irl like that".
Well aside from the statement being silly, I actually do talk to people like that who make very ignorant and elitist statements like that.
It's actually surprising that you use FF7 and A link to the past as examples of games with depth, as there are plenty of console games that have a lot more depth then those games.
It totally depends on what games you buy. If you keep buying games like Mario Kart then I'm not surprised you get a very flawed idea of what console games have to offer, but there are plenty of console games with depth, such as Final Fantasy X and Mass Effect. The thing with consoles is that they appeal to much bigger and diverse audience then PC's do, with the result that software library is much more diverse. You have games like Super Smash Brothers for casuals, but you also have games like Virtua Fighter 5, which, to use a quote a reviewer, has so much depth that it can take a lifetime to master. You have games like Mario Karts and Burnout for more casual arcade like players, but there is also Forza Motorsport 2 and Gran Turismo 5, with hundreds of cars and where every tweak you make to your car has an effect on your driving performance. You have a game like Paper Mario, But you also get a Final Fantasy, Mass Effect or Elder Scrolls.
My point is that there are both hardcore games with deep experiences AND not so deep games that are aimed for a more casual audience.
Before I get charbroiled, allow me to say it was a joke. I just couldn't resist plugging that game somewhere.
The latest games are on the market now is almost for consoles. They should try to balance their released games on PC and other consoles to prevent discrimination...
A very valid point, which should be used when comparing all games across the PS3/360/PC. All games made for any of these platforms are made, limited by the lowest common nominator, usually not the PC as it is scalable. It depends on the developers and their skill with the different consoles.
Here's a little demonstration of Oblivion played on the PC, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yULvHspx8g&feature=related
Armed Assault, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C370Aq6CrtU&feature=related
and the daddy, Cryssis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA17zCUy6Bg&feature=related
This is a £2,000 computer.
It's not that I don't think Consoles are excellent and powerful systems, it's just that I want to upgrade, not downgrade.
All sorts of linux based operating systems are poping up, they have almost the same funcionality as windows, but with alot less agrivation, they just work and work for you, not for you to keep working on them.
This genration is a tie, but next one the consoles will take some ground.
PC will will always be most importend platform for gaming, becouse its where cutting edge in technoligy will be, grafics and hardware.
Consoles are maybe nice sometimes sitting in livingroom playing with femaly but PC always have so much more to offer then a restricted system with gamepad.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
All sorts of linux based operating systems are poping up, they have almost the same funcionality as windows, but with alot less agrivation, they just work and work for you, not for you to keep working on them.
This genration is a tie, but next one the consoles will take some ground.
On day PS3 was launched, it was already far behind pc with hardware.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
where the hell did this stupid thread come from?
this is seriously so dumb. games industry in general is growing at a huge rate. its already bigger than the movie industry and its only getting bigger.
seriously...dumb thread
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Ive seen far DUMBER threads here on forum.
Zillions uselless game A vs game B topics:P
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
I suspect its in response to the two PC gaming is dead threads that have been here recently.
But its not - Mass Effect is out on PC in May
I cant wait - it took nearly 2 years to get Jade Empire ported. Now its just a couple of months - so it was obviously planned from the start.
Ive seen far DUMBER threads here on forum.
Zillions uselless game A vs game B topics:P
Heh yea like that Glass is a liquid Topic on the Off Topic forum
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
PC gaming alliance formed?
www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php
I actually had to get up and take a breather after reading some of the really painful comments on this topic. The thing is, the pc people really come off as being elitist, basically theyre insinuating, because we prefer PCs were smarter, more talented, and just plain better than people who like consoles. Thats a huge turn off to me, I love my PCs, I built my desktop a little over a year ago, and just bought a gaming laptop a couple of months ago.
However that being said I do also appreciate my xbox 360, as mentioned its more relaxing to play to me, I can kick back in my lazyboy with just a controller and have at it. Sometimes I prefer simplicty. Furthermore, you are comparing these two things like you have to make some sort of choice. I for one use my console and PCs for different things. When my friends come over, we throw back some beers, blast each other in some halo, talk some smack, and have a good ole time. Im sorry but I cant see all my friends crowding around a pc monitor and enjoying it as much. Theyre two wholey seperate entities that are used for different situations.
This whole "Im better than you because I PC game" is unjustified, in fact it really turns me off that because I enjoy PC gaming someone might lump me into that crowd.
I dont know if its just some kind of ego driven thing, the same kind of ego that says "You play WoW? well im better than you!"