He's right though I mean why pay for a game you're unhappy with and want to change? SOE only cares about money so if you're not giving them you money then silence on the boards is more effective than subbing and moaning all the time. If everyone quit after the NGE then SOE would have no choice but to rollback, just because all the whiners stayed subbed to use the forums is why we still have the NGE today.
I see lots of posts on the SWG forums about how pre cu was sooo much better............ then don't sub up and the sub numbers will drop and SOE will have no choice but to rollback or revmp again and tbh the game couldn't get any worse.
That hasn't worked yet, why should it work now?
Cause lots of people are lying and complain about the game all the time but still stay subbed. They must have a healthy sub base or they wouldn't keep it running losing money. So if all the people on the forums complaining about it finally quit then there'd be even less and SOE would have to do something about it or probably get sued by LA lol.
Actually a paying customer has every right to complain. No one is "lying," not even sure what you mean by that. People are paying for a game and commenting, sharing their opinions with other players.
It is far more odd, and SWG is amazing at having succeeded at this, at having UNPAID former customers complaining. I fully support them as well. I see all is good in liberty.
Your theory is predicated under a false premise: if everyone was exactly like me and did what I say....
That fails every time. Better to just let people do as they will and deal with it.
What I mean is people on these forums or w/e are like I hate SWG and don't play anymore but they still stay subbed to the game for some weird reason.
Also SOE don't listen to the player base so if everyone stopped moaning on their forums and just canceled instead then having no profit from the game would force them to do something because they only care about money.
Yeah I bet they are still subbed. BUt there is nothing to do in the game so they come to mmorpg.com and complain all day like something is going to change. Then log back in and play there wookie Jedi just to dance.
Originally posted by greenstumps He's right though I mean why pay for a game you're unhappy with and want to change? SOE only cares about money so if you're not giving them you money then silence on the boards is more effective than subbing and moaning all the time. If everyone quit after the NGE then SOE would have no choice but to rollback, just because all the whiners stayed subbed to use the forums is why we still have the NGE today. I see lots of posts on the SWG forums about how pre cu was sooo much better............ then don't sub up and the sub numbers will drop and SOE will have no choice but to rollback or revmp again and tbh the game couldn't get any worse.
That hasn't worked yet, why should it work now?
Cause lots of people are lying and complain about the game all the time but still stay subbed. They must have a healthy sub base or they wouldn't keep it running losing money. So if all the people on the forums complaining about it finally quit then there'd be even less and SOE would have to do something about it or probably get sued by LA lol.
Actually a paying customer has every right to complain. No one is "lying," not even sure what you mean by that. People are paying for a game and commenting, sharing their opinions with other players.
It is far more odd, and SWG is amazing at having succeeded at this, at having UNPAID former customers complaining. I fully support them as well. I see all is good in liberty. Your theory is predicated under a false premise: if everyone was exactly like me and did what I say.... That fails every time. Better to just let people do as they will and deal with it.
What I mean is people on these forums or w/e are like I hate SWG and don't play anymore but they still stay subbed to the game for some weird reason. Also SOE don't listen to the player base so if everyone stopped moaning on their forums and just canceled instead then having no profit from the game would force them to do something because they only care about money.
What you mean is if everyone obeyed you we'd all live in paradise. Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree. MY love of freedom allows that. Does yours?
The NGE came and went. We're in a new version of the game in all reality. Right or not, no one got "screwed" unless they kept paying for a game they didn't enjoy and then they only one's "screwing" them was themselves.
I love that line. Fact of the matter though is that we did pay, more people paid for a few years before the NGE for a game we all very much enjoyed.....then they changed it, changed it to something a lot less people pay for and now they said we screw ourselves?
Not to mention that $OE NGE'd the game and refused to refund the remaining months people had remaining on their subscriptions. Those people were certainly "screwed".
If $OE had screwed me out of $100+ per acct, and that happened to several guildmates of mine, I'd be holding a bigger grudge than I am now. Those other people had BOTH their game taken away from them and no refund on their remaining time (which was a HUGE PR mistake, among many, that $OE has made).
I was one of those in that camp. I paid for one year at a time every year since the game launched. And I did the same in July of 2005. So when November came and the NGE was spewed onto my lap, I found myself stuck with 8 months remaining on for two accounts.
SOE refused to refund my two accounts and the remaining 8 months. I also didnt qualify for the expansion refund (which had strict requirements) for both accounts. SOE stole $250 from me.
And lets not forget they also took our subscription money for several months and used it to build the NGE engine. While they lied to our faces on the forums about fixes and revamps coming for our professions, they used our money for an entirely new game. The NGE was in the works BEFORE Smedley's statement that the CU was here to say.....LIER. Thats another 6 months or $90 stolen from me.
I'll certainly come back to SWG right after they send me a check for $340, fire Smedley, and apologize for lying and stealing my money.
I was one of those in that camp. I paid for one year at a time every year since the game launched. And I did the same in July of 2005. So when November came and the NGE was spewed onto my lap, I found myself stuck with 8 months remaining on for two accounts. SOE refused to refund my two accounts and the remaining 8 months. I also didnt qualify for the expansion refund (which had strict requirements) for both accounts. SOE stole $250 from me. And lets not forget they also took our subscription money for several months and used it to build the NGE engine. While they lied to our faces on the forums about fixes and revamps coming for our professions, they used our money for an entirely new game. The NGE was in the works BEFORE Smedley's statement that the CU was here to say.....LIER. Thats another 6 months or $90 stolen from me. I'll certainly come back to SWG right after they send me a check for $340, fire Smedley, and apologize for lying and stealing my money.
Thousands of other in same boat. They couldn't steal me cause i paid always for 1month but they betrayed me by using my monthly fee to develop something that destroy the value of what i build in 2 years.
$OE is such an immoral company ! The more i thiunk about the bigger is the feeling that they got to easy away.
I mean no apology for what they did with the money we gave to them in trust to maintain the game and instead they destroyed our home.
Waaaaaay to eaaasy they got away for this abstraction of founds.
Immoral greedy $OE.
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I think this was just a sign of frustration from a senator. The game is failing and it is pretty obvious they just dont want to hear it anymore. I really cant say that I blame them. Who would want to be reminded that they play a game that is the joke of the industry? One of the most recognized and loved IP's in the world and it was developed by one of the "industry leaders" and look at it. For that senator ignorance is probably bliss and he just doesnt want to face the cold hard slap of reality so he is lashing out . It was unprofessional but understandable. I would cut this guy some slack. He is just going through the anger phase right now. A few more months and he will come to accept the situation for what it is.
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I think this was just a sign of frustration from a senator. The game is failing and it is pretty obvious they just dont want to hear it anymore. I really cant say that I blame them. Who would want to be reminded that they play a game that is the joke of the industry? One of the most recognized and loved IP's in the world and it was developed by one of the "industry leaders" and look at it. For that senator ignorance is probably bliss and he just doesnt want to face the cold hard slap of reality so he is lashing out . It was unprofessional but understandable. I would cut this guy some slack. He is just going through the anger phase right now. A few more months and he will come to accept the situation for what it is.
The poor guy is at stage two. Next comes bargaining, then depression, and finally acceptance.
Exactly. He deserves our understanding and compassion.
Regardless of their personal feelings, as a representative of SoE and the SWG community they really need to show some restraint. Flying off the handle like that only re-enforces the perspective of a game in crisis.
It also reinforces just how hostile the community has become since SOE took the horribly divisive steps of the CU and the NGE. When you take something from one entire population, dismantle it, turn it into something else entirely, and then sell it to an entirely different target population, you are creating conditions that can only lead to conflict and hostility.
Lease a Harley Davidson motorcycle to someone, then when he's not looking tear it apart and turn it into a mo-ped, then lease it to some other guy. What are you going to have? One butt-ugly motorbike, and two very unhappy people.
He's right though I mean why pay for a game you're unhappy with and want to change? SOE only cares about money so if you're not giving them you money then silence on the boards is more effective than subbing and moaning all the time. If everyone quit after the NGE then SOE would have no choice but to rollback, just because all the whiners stayed subbed to use the forums is why we still have the NGE today.
I see lots of posts on the SWG forums about how pre cu was sooo much better............ then don't sub up and the sub numbers will drop and SOE will have no choice but to rollback or revmp again and tbh the game couldn't get any worse.
That hasn't worked yet, why should it work now?
Cause lots of people are lying and complain about the game all the time but still stay subbed. They must have a healthy sub base or they wouldn't keep it running losing money. So if all the people on the forums complaining about it finally quit then there'd be even less and SOE would have to do something about it or probably get sued by LA lol.
They're repeatedly invited to resub and "promote change from within." I guess some of them accept the invitation. Then of course they're criticized for doing it.... I guess that's what happens when you put a gaming community through as much as SOE has.
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 They're repeatedly invited to resub and "promote change from within." I guess some of them accept the invitation. Then of course they're criticized for doing it.... I guess that's what happens when you put a gaming community through as much as SOE has.
Plus SOE gives out free "vet trials" about every three months. Plenty of opportunities to play the forum game without paying SOE a penny.
so the people who say they are there to be the voice of the player base are now insulting the player base.
how funny.
this is why i dislike fanbois and why i dislike the nge. before the nge everyone helped everyone out. people got along when pvping and you had tons of people role playing. now you get people that are not fit to even game on xbox live on swg.
and the sad part is now games like age of conan are going on xbox live. get ready for more people who cheat and hack and trash talk.
The NGE came and went. We're in a new version of the game in all reality. Right or not, no one got "screwed" unless they kept paying for a game they didn't enjoy and then they only one's "screwing" them was themselves.
I love that line. Fact of the matter though is that we did pay, more people paid for a few years before the NGE for a game we all very much enjoyed.....then they changed it, changed it to something a lot less people pay for and now they said we screw ourselves?
Not to mention that $OE NGE'd the game and refused to refund the remaining months people had remaining on their subscriptions. Those people were certainly "screwed".
If $OE had screwed me out of $100+ per acct, and that happened to several guildmates of mine, I'd be holding a bigger grudge than I am now. Those other people had BOTH their game taken away from them and no refund on their remaining time (which was a HUGE PR mistake, among many, that $OE has made).
I only played CU for a few months before the NGE and left then came back. I have played more in the NGE than in any version of SWG. I even had fun and would say to anyone if you are interested try the trial.
But with what they did do to the vets I can not blame the for being upset to this day. I was there when they promoted ToOW and remember the lies to them. I remember the promises to those that subscribed 6 months or a year ahead and SOE changed it.
I personally wasen't hurt to bad by it. I did not buy ToOW or subscribe a year ahead. This allowed me to come back a year later and have fun with the NGE, however fleeting it was.
In short as someone that has had fun in the current game I say the vets have a right to complain, discuss, and promote their negative views of the game and developer here and to the world till the end of time. Keep the faith on the shame SOE brought on themselves, just as those that enjoy the game now have faith in them.
Your opinions matter to me as a member of this community. Maybe will meet up someday in MMO and have a virtual beer.
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Originally posted by ArcAngel3 They're repeatedly invited to resub and "promote change from within." I guess some of them accept the invitation. Then of course they're criticized for doing it.... I guess that's what happens when you put a gaming community through as much as SOE has.
Plus SOE gives out free "vet trials" about every three months. Plenty of opportunities to play the forum game without paying SOE a penny.
I've never been given a trial tbh but even if they did give it to me i would not bother to install it again it just isnt worth it
so the people who say they are there to be the voice of the player base are now insulting the player base. how funny. this is why i dislike fanbois and why i dislike the nge. before the nge everyone helped everyone out. people got along when pvping and you had tons of people role playing. now you get people that are not fit to even game on xbox live on swg. and the sad part is now games like age of conan are going on xbox live. get ready for more people who cheat and hack and trash talk.
Oh of course, i remember Pre-NGE, there wasnt a single person trash talking, or claiming hax or not getting along - oh wait, thats complete and utter nonsense. And unfortunately for you, lots of people roleplay now, everyone helps each other out - there really isnt much difference.
so the people who say they are there to be the voice of the player base are now insulting the player base. how funny. this is why i dislike fanbois and why i dislike the nge. before the nge everyone helped everyone out. people got along when pvping and you had tons of people role playing. now you get people that are not fit to even game on xbox live on swg. and the sad part is now games like age of conan are going on xbox live. get ready for more people who cheat and hack and trash talk.
Oh of course, i remember Pre-NGE, there wasnt a single person trash talking, or claiming hax or not getting along - oh wait, thats complete and utter nonsense. And unfortunately for you, lots of people roleplay now, everyone helps each other out - there really isnt much difference.
Instead now, there is not a single person in Theed, Cnet cantina/starport or the Dant MO doing anything, on most servers. Back then, there were "tons" of people doing everything, because there were tons of people, period.
so the people who say they are there to be the voice of the player base are now insulting the player base. how funny. this is why i dislike fanbois and why i dislike the nge. before the nge everyone helped everyone out. people got along when pvping and you had tons of people role playing. now you get people that are not fit to even game on xbox live on swg. and the sad part is now games like age of conan are going on xbox live. get ready for more people who cheat and hack and trash talk.
Oh of course, i remember Pre-NGE, there wasnt a single person trash talking, or claiming hax or not getting along - oh wait, thats complete and utter nonsense. And unfortunately for you, lots of people roleplay now, everyone helps each other out - there really isnt much difference.
Instead now, there is not a single person in Theed, Cnet cantina/starport or the Dant MO doing anything, on most servers. Back then, there were "tons" of people doing everything, because there were tons of people, period.
Now? Now you have the NGE.
well thats not true, lots of people use the dant MO, and some do use the Theed and Cnet one. "There really isnt much difference" obviously referred to people's attitude.
well thats not true, lots of people use the dant MO, and some do use the Theed and Cnet one. "There really isnt much difference" obviously referred to people's attitude.
This must be particular to your server. I've checked Theed, CNet and MO several times this past week, during peak hours,and never once did I find more than two or three people in any one of those cities. If the NGE defines "lots of people" as fewer than 5 players during peak hours then I can only imagine what words would be used to describe the number of players we had in these locations in the pre-NGE days.
SWG is going down. The vets are NOT going to come back because of the NGE, which is the reason everyone left. And there is nothing the fanbois can "saay" that will stop it.
well thats not true, lots of people use the dant MO, and some do use the Theed and Cnet one. "There really isnt much difference" obviously referred to people's attitude.
This must be particular to your server. I've checked Theed, CNet and MO several times this past week, during peak hours,and never once did I find more than two or three people in any one of those cities. If the NGE defines "lots of people" as fewer than 5 players during peak hours then I can only imagine what words would be used to describe the number of players we had in these locations in the pre-NGE days.
Heck Beta had more players...You couldnt move due to lag caused by all the players in most cities. During the first year of SWG you could find players everywere..Last i logged into the the NGE i could count the players in one spot an the NPCs outnumbered them....But The rest were out questing, in their cities tho.......Enjoying the Populated NGE right ??The game isnt going to improve too a point were there wont be a need to merge. When server mergers are even discussed a game isnt improving or populated. Honestly i could careless anymore. Even in beta the devs would at least humor our pleas and act like they were listening..Except the whole part were we screamed it was no were near ready for live part lol.... Now you got a very bad WoWbattlefront mess that only the faithfull die hard Star wars fans play. At least at one time SWG was the best bugged mess of a game ive ever played.. TBH id rather be back in beta when it was a even bigger mess..At least then it was fun..Now its just a reskinned clone with real bad code an gameplay.
So Saay if SWG is so great now why dont more play it? If a game is good people will play reguardless of bad press. Look at Wow its bashed more than SWG ever is..Yet it has all those asian gamers happy as well as 2 mill or so american ones..Yet you can go see how bad its sux on every site..If a game is good it will stand on its own an wont need fanboi defending..Unfortunately SWG has changed too many times for all the wrong reasons. All it needed was polish an tweaks an content added. Instead it was revamped 3 times upsetting loyal fans( Us vets) so many times we just stopped paying..Senators are worthless Public relation machines. Its SoE's attempt too give the false sense that the MAJORITY player bases concerns are actually important...Since Beta they have allways thought fix means revamp destroy an totally change gameplay...Carry on SWG you will allways be the best an worst game ive ever played..
SWG is going down. The vets are NOT going to come back because of the NGE, which is the reason everyone left. And there is nothing the fanbois can "saay" that will stop it.
Ah i see what you did there, been planning that for days? SWG is going to shut down - the only slightly embarrassing thing for you is that it will probably be in years time when it shuts due to old age, does it not make you slightly despondent when you claim that every day for 2 years yet it never becomes close to a reality?
Again, we DONT WANT you back, that is the small minority that resides on this forum "not getting" over it together (and i do accept that these forums are also used by vets who just want to remember which i sympathize and join in with). Infact, i implore you, stay away, we dont need or want people like you ruining it for us.
Of course you don't want me back. You $OE guys don't want players who demand complex gameplay, content, and a combat system that actually works. You definitely don't want players who laugh at the idea of bauble hunting as content, and who want to EARN their Jedi character. You don't want players who enjoy crawling through a nearly impossible NON INSTANCED dungeon like the DWB, where you have to use brains to get through and survive, where you CRAFT (not loot) some of the game's rarest items. You definitely don't want players who prefer that to a million HP instanced mob.
Nope, we aren't the players you are looking for. The problem that you have though is that no other players are looking for your game either. There is a glut of simplistic WOW clones out there. True, yours is the only one that has been hosed down with Star Wars juice (sort of), but it's also the least functional and buggiest of all WoW clones out there.
Enjoy your existing populations. Don't think of them as low. They are at their peak. They never again will be as high as they are today. A year from now (assuming SWG is still open) you guys will be looking back wistfully at the "huge" numbers you had in early 2008, and wondering how you can get all those people back.
Fact of the matter is, you guys don't want us back, and never have. Unless we swallow the NGE as it is, shut up, and don't complain.
Wish for that in one hand and crap in the other, and see which piles up first.
Originally posted by salvaje Of course you don't want me back. You $OE guys don't want players who demand complex gameplay, content, and a combat system that actually works. You definitely don't want players who laugh at the idea of bauble hunting as content, and who want to EARN their Jedi character. You don't want players who enjoy crawling through a nearly impossible NON INSTANCED dungeon like the DWB, where you have to use brains to get through and survive, where you CRAFT (not loot) some of the game's rarest items. You definitely don't want players who prefer that to a million HP instanced mob. Nope, we aren't the players you are looking for. The problem that you have though is that no other players are looking for your game either. There is a glut of simplistic WOW clones out there. True, yours is the only one that has been hosed down with Star Wars juice (sort of), but it's also the least functional and buggiest of all WoW clones out there. Enjoy your existing populations. Don't think of them as low. They are at their peak. They never again will be as high as they are today. A year from now (assuming SWG is still open) you guys will be looking back wistfully at the "huge" numbers you had in early 2008, and wondering how you can get all those people back. Fact of the matter is, you guys don't want us back, and never have. Unless we swallow the NGE as it is, shut up, and don't complain. Wish for that in one hand and crap in the other, and see which piles up first.
Don't forget the folks who get pissed at being used because they like Star Wars. We are not wanted there either. How dare us actually expect the game to play like a sci-fi game with proper mechanics, animations, and lore.
Of course you don't want me back. You $OE guys don't want players who demand complex gameplay, content, and a combat system that actually works. You definitely don't want players who laugh at the idea of bauble hunting as contentBauble hunting?, and who want to EARN their Jedi character. You don't want players who enjoy crawling through a nearly impossible NON INSTANCED dungeon like the DWBMate, theres lots of Million HP mobs in here, not to mention the fact that the Debs said the next thing they want to focus on is dungeons that are DWB-style, where you have to use brains to get through and survive,man you have to use your brains in the Heroics trust me, thats another reason why it wouldnt suit you coming back. where you CRAFT (not loot) some of the game's rarest items.Most of the top end loot from instances is crafted, though i would like to see the crafter having to actually go in with the team like the DWB You definitely don't want players who prefer that to a million HP instanced mob.Honestly, how many times have you ignored me proving you completely wrong over this? you have to admit defeat man. Nope, we aren't the players you are looking for. The problem that you have though is that no other players are looking for your game either. There is a glut of simplistic WOW clones out there. True, yours is the only one that has been hosed down with Star Wars juice (sort of), but it's also the least functional and buggiest of all WoW clones out there. Enjoy your existing populations. Don't think of them as low. They are at their peak.you wish They never again will be as high as they are today. A year from now (assuming SWG is still open) you guys will be looking back wistfully at the "huge" numbers you had in early 2008, and wondering how you can get all those people back.Oh, but it though you were sure it was going to shutdown early this year?? thats a surprise. And since they can only add and improve, and going by the trend of increasing population recently, id say there probably will be more people. Fact of the matter is, you guys don't want us back, and never have.Now you get it, so whats with your sig etc and every other post being "we are not coming back for you"? Unless we swallow the NGE as it is, shut up, and don't complain. Wish for that in one hand and crap in the other, and see which piles up first.
No, i dont want players like you who cant (*drumroll* we only say it because its true, not for any otherreason) get over it.
Of course you don't want me back. You $OE guys don't want players who demand complex gameplay, content, and a combat system that actually works. You definitely don't want players who laugh at the idea of bauble hunting as contentBauble hunting?, and who want to EARN their Jedi character. You don't want players who enjoy crawling through a nearly impossible NON INSTANCED dungeon like the DWBMate, theres lots of Million HP mobs in here, not to mention the fact that the Debs said the next thing they want to focus on is dungeons that are DWB-style, where you have to use brains to get through and survive,man you have to use your brains in the Heroics trust me, thats another reason why it wouldnt suit you coming back. where you CRAFT (not loot) some of the game's rarest items.Most of the top end loot from instances is crafted, though i would like to see the crafter having to actually go in with the team like the DWB You definitely don't want players who prefer that to a million HP instanced mob.Honestly, how many times have you ignored me proving you completely wrong over this? you have to admit defeat man. Nope, we aren't the players you are looking for. The problem that you have though is that no other players are looking for your game either. There is a glut of simplistic WOW clones out there. True, yours is the only one that has been hosed down with Star Wars juice (sort of), but it's also the least functional and buggiest of all WoW clones out there. Enjoy your existing populations. Don't think of them as low. They are at their peak.you wish They never again will be as high as they are today. A year from now (assuming SWG is still open) you guys will be looking back wistfully at the "huge" numbers you had in early 2008, and wondering how you can get all those people back.Oh, but it though you were sure it was going to shutdown early this year?? thats a surprise. And since they can only add and improve, and going by the trend of increasing population recently, id say there probably will be more people. Fact of the matter is, you guys don't want us back, and never have.Now you get it, so whats with your sig etc and every other post being "we are not coming back for you"? Unless we swallow the NGE as it is, shut up, and don't complain. Wish for that in one hand and crap in the other, and see which piles up first.
No, i dont want players like you who cant (*drumroll* we only say it because its true, not for any otherreason) get over it.
I see the fan bois are at it again.
Saay if you love the game so much what are you doing here wasting your time?
If you truly believe that the current star wars mmo (and I laugh at that term with the population they have) is that good then I wonder what drugs you are on.
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That hasn't worked yet, why should it work now?
Cause lots of people are lying and complain about the game all the time but still stay subbed. They must have a healthy sub base or they wouldn't keep it running losing money. So if all the people on the forums complaining about it finally quit then there'd be even less and SOE would have to do something about it or probably get sued by LA lol.
Actually a paying customer has every right to complain. No one is "lying," not even sure what you mean by that. People are paying for a game and commenting, sharing their opinions with other players.
It is far more odd, and SWG is amazing at having succeeded at this, at having UNPAID former customers complaining. I fully support them as well. I see all is good in liberty.
Your theory is predicated under a false premise: if everyone was exactly like me and did what I say....
That fails every time. Better to just let people do as they will and deal with it.
What I mean is people on these forums or w/e are like I hate SWG and don't play anymore but they still stay subbed to the game for some weird reason.
Also SOE don't listen to the player base so if everyone stopped moaning on their forums and just canceled instead then having no profit from the game would force them to do something because they only care about money.
Yeah I bet they are still subbed. BUt there is nothing to do in the game so they come to mmorpg.com and complain all day like something is going to change. Then log back in and play there wookie Jedi just to dance.
What you mean is if everyone obeyed you we'd all live in paradise. Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree. MY love of freedom allows that. Does yours?
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Not to mention that $OE NGE'd the game and refused to refund the remaining months people had remaining on their subscriptions. Those people were certainly "screwed".
If $OE had screwed me out of $100+ per acct, and that happened to several guildmates of mine, I'd be holding a bigger grudge than I am now. Those other people had BOTH their game taken away from them and no refund on their remaining time (which was a HUGE PR mistake, among many, that $OE has made).
I was one of those in that camp. I paid for one year at a time every year since the game launched. And I did the same in July of 2005. So when November came and the NGE was spewed onto my lap, I found myself stuck with 8 months remaining on for two accounts.
SOE refused to refund my two accounts and the remaining 8 months. I also didnt qualify for the expansion refund (which had strict requirements) for both accounts. SOE stole $250 from me.
And lets not forget they also took our subscription money for several months and used it to build the NGE engine. While they lied to our faces on the forums about fixes and revamps coming for our professions, they used our money for an entirely new game. The NGE was in the works BEFORE Smedley's statement that the CU was here to say.....LIER. Thats another 6 months or $90 stolen from me.
I'll certainly come back to SWG right after they send me a check for $340, fire Smedley, and apologize for lying and stealing my money.
Thousands of other in same boat. They couldn't steal me cause i paid always for 1month but they betrayed me by using my monthly fee to develop something that destroy the value of what i build in 2 years.
$OE is such an immoral company ! The more i thiunk about the bigger is the feeling that they got to easy away.
I mean no apology for what they did with the money we gave to them in trust to maintain the game and instead they destroyed our home.
Waaaaaay to eaaasy they got away for this abstraction of founds.
Immoral greedy $OE.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Gratz on your 500th post!
Thanks...I didnt even notice until you said something
The poor guy is at stage two. Next comes bargaining, then depression, and finally acceptance.
Exactly. He deserves our understanding and compassion.
Lease a Harley Davidson motorcycle to someone, then when he's not looking tear it apart and turn it into a mo-ped, then lease it to some other guy. What are you going to have? One butt-ugly motorbike, and two very unhappy people.
That hasn't worked yet, why should it work now?
Cause lots of people are lying and complain about the game all the time but still stay subbed. They must have a healthy sub base or they wouldn't keep it running losing money. So if all the people on the forums complaining about it finally quit then there'd be even less and SOE would have to do something about it or probably get sued by LA lol.
They're repeatedly invited to resub and "promote change from within." I guess some of them accept the invitation. Then of course they're criticized for doing it.... I guess that's what happens when you put a gaming community through as much as SOE has.
Plus SOE gives out free "vet trials" about every three months. Plenty of opportunities to play the forum game without paying SOE a penny.
so the people who say they are there to be the voice of the player base are now insulting the player base.
how funny.
this is why i dislike fanbois and why i dislike the nge. before the nge everyone helped everyone out. people got along when pvping and you had tons of people role playing. now you get people that are not fit to even game on xbox live on swg.
and the sad part is now games like age of conan are going on xbox live. get ready for more people who cheat and hack and trash talk.
Not to mention that $OE NGE'd the game and refused to refund the remaining months people had remaining on their subscriptions. Those people were certainly "screwed".
If $OE had screwed me out of $100+ per acct, and that happened to several guildmates of mine, I'd be holding a bigger grudge than I am now. Those other people had BOTH their game taken away from them and no refund on their remaining time (which was a HUGE PR mistake, among many, that $OE has made).
I only played CU for a few months before the NGE and left then came back. I have played more in the NGE than in any version of SWG. I even had fun and would say to anyone if you are interested try the trial.
But with what they did do to the vets I can not blame the for being upset to this day. I was there when they promoted ToOW and remember the lies to them. I remember the promises to those that subscribed 6 months or a year ahead and SOE changed it.
I personally wasen't hurt to bad by it. I did not buy ToOW or subscribe a year ahead. This allowed me to come back a year later and have fun with the NGE, however fleeting it was.
In short as someone that has had fun in the current game I say the vets have a right to complain, discuss, and promote their negative views of the game and developer here and to the world till the end of time. Keep the faith on the shame SOE brought on themselves, just as those that enjoy the game now have faith in them.
Your opinions matter to me as a member of this community. Maybe will meet up someday in MMO and have a virtual beer.
P.S. side note---my new Iphone is the greatest f-en thing I have ever owned.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
Plus SOE gives out free "vet trials" about every three months. Plenty of opportunities to play the forum game without paying SOE a penny.
I've never been given a trial tbh but even if they did give it to me i would not bother to install it again it just isnt worth it
Hmm, yeah that was out of line. I'll speak to Cigaran about it.
Senators aren't allowed to attack players like that, and for what it's worth, I apologise for that post.
Oh of course, i remember Pre-NGE, there wasnt a single person trash talking, or claiming hax or not getting along - oh wait, thats complete and utter nonsense. And unfortunately for you, lots of people roleplay now, everyone helps each other out - there really isnt much difference.
Oh of course, i remember Pre-NGE, there wasnt a single person trash talking, or claiming hax or not getting along - oh wait, thats complete and utter nonsense. And unfortunately for you, lots of people roleplay now, everyone helps each other out - there really isnt much difference.
Instead now, there is not a single person in Theed, Cnet cantina/starport or the Dant MO doing anything, on most servers. Back then, there were "tons" of people doing everything, because there were tons of people, period.
Now? Now you have the NGE.
Oh of course, i remember Pre-NGE, there wasnt a single person trash talking, or claiming hax or not getting along - oh wait, thats complete and utter nonsense. And unfortunately for you, lots of people roleplay now, everyone helps each other out - there really isnt much difference.
Instead now, there is not a single person in Theed, Cnet cantina/starport or the Dant MO doing anything, on most servers. Back then, there were "tons" of people doing everything, because there were tons of people, period.
Now? Now you have the NGE.
well thats not true, lots of people use the dant MO, and some do use the Theed and Cnet one. "There really isnt much difference" obviously referred to people's attitude.
This must be particular to your server. I've checked Theed, CNet and MO several times this past week, during peak hours,and never once did I find more than two or three people in any one of those cities. If the NGE defines "lots of people" as fewer than 5 players during peak hours then I can only imagine what words would be used to describe the number of players we had in these locations in the pre-NGE days.
SWG is going down. The vets are NOT going to come back because of the NGE, which is the reason everyone left. And there is nothing the fanbois can "saay" that will stop it.
This must be particular to your server. I've checked Theed, CNet and MO several times this past week, during peak hours,and never once did I find more than two or three people in any one of those cities. If the NGE defines "lots of people" as fewer than 5 players during peak hours then I can only imagine what words would be used to describe the number of players we had in these locations in the pre-NGE days.
Heck Beta had more players...You couldnt move due to lag caused by all the players in most cities. During the first year of SWG you could find players everywere..Last i logged into the the NGE i could count the players in one spot an the NPCs outnumbered them....But The rest were out questing, in their cities tho.......Enjoying the Populated NGE right ??The game isnt going to improve too a point were there wont be a need to merge. When server mergers are even discussed a game isnt improving or populated. Honestly i could careless anymore. Even in beta the devs would at least humor our pleas and act like they were listening..Except the whole part were we screamed it was no were near ready for live part lol.... Now you got a very bad WoWbattlefront mess that only the faithfull die hard Star wars fans play. At least at one time SWG was the best bugged mess of a game ive ever played.. TBH id rather be back in beta when it was a even bigger mess..At least then it was fun..Now its just a reskinned clone with real bad code an gameplay.
So Saay if SWG is so great now why dont more play it? If a game is good people will play reguardless of bad press. Look at Wow its bashed more than SWG ever is..Yet it has all those asian gamers happy as well as 2 mill or so american ones..Yet you can go see how bad its sux on every site..If a game is good it will stand on its own an wont need fanboi defending..Unfortunately SWG has changed too many times for all the wrong reasons. All it needed was polish an tweaks an content added. Instead it was revamped 3 times upsetting loyal fans( Us vets) so many times we just stopped paying..Senators are worthless Public relation machines. Its SoE's attempt too give the false sense that the MAJORITY player bases concerns are actually important...Since Beta they have allways thought fix means revamp destroy an totally change gameplay...Carry on SWG you will allways be the best an worst game ive ever played..
Again, we DONT WANT you back, that is the small minority that resides on this forum "not getting" over it together (and i do accept that these forums are also used by vets who just want to remember which i sympathize and join in with). Infact, i implore you, stay away, we dont need or want people like you ruining it for us.
Of course you don't want me back. You $OE guys don't want players who demand complex gameplay, content, and a combat system that actually works. You definitely don't want players who laugh at the idea of bauble hunting as content, and who want to EARN their Jedi character. You don't want players who enjoy crawling through a nearly impossible NON INSTANCED dungeon like the DWB, where you have to use brains to get through and survive, where you CRAFT (not loot) some of the game's rarest items. You definitely don't want players who prefer that to a million HP instanced mob.
Nope, we aren't the players you are looking for. The problem that you have though is that no other players are looking for your game either. There is a glut of simplistic WOW clones out there. True, yours is the only one that has been hosed down with Star Wars juice (sort of), but it's also the least functional and buggiest of all WoW clones out there.
Enjoy your existing populations. Don't think of them as low. They are at their peak. They never again will be as high as they are today. A year from now (assuming SWG is still open) you guys will be looking back wistfully at the "huge" numbers you had in early 2008, and wondering how you can get all those people back.
Fact of the matter is, you guys don't want us back, and never have. Unless we swallow the NGE as it is, shut up, and don't complain.
Wish for that in one hand and crap in the other, and see which piles up first.
Don't forget the folks who get pissed at being used because they like Star Wars. We are not wanted there either. How dare us actually expect the game to play like a sci-fi game with proper mechanics, animations, and lore.
Akevv Ostone
No Longer SWG Free
No, i dont want players like you who cant (*drumroll* we only say it because its true, not for any otherreason) get over it.
No, i dont want players like you who cant (*drumroll* we only say it because its true, not for any otherreason) get over it.
I see the fan bois are at it again.Saay if you love the game so much what are you doing here wasting your time?
If you truly believe that the current star wars mmo (and I laugh at that term with the population they have) is that good then I wonder what drugs you are on.