If you need information about building a computer, try going to www.3dmark.com forums... They are very helpful in hardware related issues.
But off the top of my head i would advise you getting something along the lines of the following:
CPU: P4 2.6-3.0 GHZ Mobo: Asus P4P800 (onboard Sound/LAN - 1GIG) RAM: 1024 gig of Crosair DDR PC3200 500MHZ RAM HDD: 180 western digital 7200RPM SATA GPU: Radeon 9800 XT (256-Bit, not 128-Bit)
And you can put it into some sort of moded case, here is an Aussie site I tend to use ( www.ccmods.com - though prices are in AUD).
I'm not 100% on the prices as I order my parts from here in Aus, so can't look on any Yank sites for accurate prices... But it should cost around $750-$900 USD all up, but if you are able to spend more theres some things you can upgrade. On the other hand if you cant spend that much there are some things you can downgrade...
But i would not advise getting a pre-made case from some random computer shop. Because with computers if it seems too good to be true it normally is. You will get it home and find out you have an onboard GFX card or something along those lines;)
err fyi, there is no such thing as pc3200 500 mhz ram, 3200/8 = 400 mhz /2 200 mhz actually and i don't get the aprt about p4p800 1 gig, whats 1 gig, and don't buy p4p800, go p4c800-e deluxe or abit ic7 Max III and for ram, ocz is good and geil is cheap and good
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Thanks for responding...Actually BuZeR I think the ATI Radeon's performed better than nVidia's in MMORPG type games as opposed to FPS in some benchmarks, though the high-end cards were very close all around - according to Anandtech.com. Those were early tests I believe.
The MoBo thing is still a /boggle for me. What's ideal if my CPU is say...AMD Athlon 64 3500? Also, what's the deal with PCI-E slots? And Socket 939?
And I think after spending the rest of the night checking stuff out I agree with Aleister on the OCZ 3700EB RAM.
My initial question remains unanswered and that brings me to another...What's the best resource/guide for building your own system? This will be my first attempt and I'd like some intstruction book or manual or online guide. Anything geared for Gamers?
BTW BuZeR, not to flame, but could not get to 3dmark.com.
Has anyone heard anything bad about, or had any bad experiences with www.Ibuypower.com or www.cyberpowersystem.com ? I found some really great deals here and am trying to gauge ts authenticity. Dont wanna get a bad deal from a un-respected company.
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Originally posted by HauteCuir Thanks for responding...Actually BuZeR I think the ATI Radeon's performed better than nVidia's in MMORPG type games as opposed to FPS in some benchmarks, though the high-end cards were very close all around - according to Anandtech.com. Those were early tests I believe. The MoBo thing is still a /boggle for me. What's ideal if my CPU is say...AMD Athlon 64 3500? Also, what's the deal with PCI-E slots? And Socket 939? And I think after spending the rest of the night checking stuff out I agree with Aleister on the OCZ 3700EB RAM. My initial question remains unanswered and that brings me to another...What's the best resource/guide for building your own system? This will be my first attempt and I'd like some intstruction book or manual or online guide. Anything geared for Gamers? BTW BuZeR, not to flame, but could not get to 3dmark.com. Thanks in advance.
The deal with PCI-E slots is that the transfer rate is nearly double AGPx8, it is actually done through a multiple of x16 to put is in simple terms. The only thing is that it is pretty much only supported by high-end video cards that are out now such as the x800 and 6800, but then again it was designed for future expansions in technology and processing capabilities so it is doing what it is designed to do.
Socket 939 is the term used for the pin layout and structure of the connection between the CPU and MoBo. What I mean by that is that it is pretty much a description of how it plugs into the mobo. When you choose a CPU and MoBo you have to choose a MoBo that supports your CPU socket type. Most if not all 64-bit chips by AMD are socket 939 I believe or 754.
Here is the think to 3dmark.com = http://www.futuremark.com/. When you goto 3dmark.com it diverts you to there new website which is named futuremark, which is probably why the link didn't work.
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Your scathing wit and daring insight into the turbulent political crags of the internet are shining beacons of truth and purity for the slight remaining masses of visionless hypocriticial sheep who bleat at the thought of your glory
Originally posted by el_Slacko Has anyone heard anything bad about, or had any bad experiences with www.Ibuypower.com or www.cyberpowersystem.com ? I found some really great deals here and am trying to gauge ts authenticity. Dont wanna get a bad deal from a un-respected company.
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I think i'm the only one on this site that has an IBUYPOWER system
i also have the hat
but i just upgrade it all and everything myself..back then when i bought my system, i didn't know too much about em,t herefore didn't build it myself
since this is a tech forum, and murt was the last one to post, i have to ask. Your gaming rig has a nice vid card, but why did you put in a gig of 3200 DDR? the athlon 2500+, unless overclocked, operated at 333mhz FSB = DDR 2700. while you may have a mb that supports 3200 ram, which i suspect is likely one of the nforce boards which also supports dual channel, your proc isnt actually taking advantage of that speed.
you may want to see if switching ram to the 2700 will improve your performance, or at the very least, if you are running the nforce board, look into getting 512 of dual channel ram rather than a gig of regular, i guarrauntee that you will see a nice boost in performance.
Next time someone askes for advice upon how to build a new comp, refer them to this Link.
It has quite a few links to some fairly in depth guides and some that are dumbed down for easy understanding.
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Originally posted by MurtBijani Originally posted by el_Slacko Has anyone heard anything bad about, or had any bad experiences with www.Ibuypower.com or www.cyberpowersystem.com ? I found some really great deals here and am trying to gauge ts authenticity. Dont wanna get a bad deal from a un-respected company. ______________________________________Badmouthing second-rate MMORPGs since 1998Gandalf: "JOO SHALL NOT PASS!" I think i'm the only one on this site that has an IBUYPOWER system i also have the hat but i just upgrade it all and everything myself..back then when i bought my system, i didn't know too much about em,t herefore didn't build it myself good company, great support, fast shipping.
My new laptop (desperately waiting its arrival) is an IBUYPOWER system...damn nice one too. If you can go for it, do it...from what I've heard, they're worth it.
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Originally posted by MurtBijani yea I know exactly what you mean, and it did cross my mind.. but I was thinking ahead the 2500 isn't a permanent cpu for me, it was supposed to be a temporary one..well it's been 7 months, lol i was planning to switch it out with a new 64 one, thing is..i spent cash on a lot of other things i just kept the 3200 ram so the new cpu could utlize that i just need a good 300-400 bucks to get a new motherboard w/pci express, and an athlon 64..uhh..i'll check waht type exactly later heh
Gunblade was incorrect. You can buy a pwr supp, mobo and new athlon 64 cpu for under $400 US.
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lol you got 2143 of them man
- actually I just wanted to add my 2 cents in here -
Will the 9800 Pro work with a 2x/4x AGP bus? I know the specs said it will work with 4x, but still curious, hate to shell out $260 for nothing. May just have to go with 9600.
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I'm looking to buy a Laptop. Here's the guidelines...
1. I'm only going to be using it for word processing and internet surfing, really so it doesn't need to be brand new or even close. As a matter of fact my desktop is still a 733mhz, I upgraded from 128 to 600+ megs of ram a couple years ago but aside from that I'm still pretty happy with this same old thing, so as long as my laptop [b]seems[/b] comparable in speed and such to my desktop I should be fine.
2. As Thin and as Lightwieght as possible. I've already got a desktop comp that works fine for me, so the sole purpose of buying a Laptop is portability. I've handled other peoples Laptops before and alot of times they can seem too heavy/bulky to be worth the effort of lugging around, so I'd like mine to be as absolutly thin and a lightweight as possible.
3. Cheap. Ya, hehe, I need it to be pretty cheap within a couple hundred dollars at the most. Like I said it doesn't need to be near new, I would suggest 500mhz or so but frankly I'm not sure if that would be comparable to my desktop or not, I might not need nearly that much speed for just running MS Office and the Internet so I'll leave those suggestions up to those of you "in the know."
Those are pretty much all my guidelines. I figure ebay is probably my best bet considering prices seem higher everywhere else. So if anyone has any advice on any place i can get a decent laptop that fits the above it would be much appreciated.
This topic has become FAR TOO LARGE for me (and I'm guessing many other users) to make any sort of sense of it. Would it be possible to PLEASE get a new folder/forum for MMORPG game hardware?
This has probably been said before in this thread; if it has, I'm sorry for repeating it.
Originally posted by Leonard_Six Hey folks I have a question. I'm looking to buy a Laptop. Here's the guidelines... 1. I'm only going to be using it for word processing and internet surfing, really so it doesn't need to be brand new or even close. As a matter of fact my desktop is still a 733mhz, I upgraded from 128 to 600+ megs of ram a couple years ago but aside from that I'm still pretty happy with this same old thing, so as long as my laptop [b]seems[/b] comparable in speed and such to my desktop I should be fine. 2. As Thin and as Lightwieght as possible. I've already got a desktop comp that works fine for me, so the sole purpose of buying a Laptop is portability. I've handled other peoples Laptops before and alot of times they can seem too heavy/bulky to be worth the effort of lugging around, so I'd like mine to be as absolutly thin and a lightweight as possible. 3. Cheap. Ya, hehe, I need it to be pretty cheap within a couple hundred dollars at the most. Like I said it doesn't need to be near new, I would suggest 500mhz or so but frankly I'm not sure if that would be comparable to my desktop or not, I might not need nearly that much speed for just running MS Office and the Internet so I'll leave those suggestions up to those of you "in the know." Those are pretty much all my guidelines. I figure ebay is probably my best bet considering prices seem higher everywhere else. So if anyone has any advice on any place i can get a decent laptop that fits the above it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
i'd reckomend browsing ebay for stuff like that. you can grab laptops for what your wanting pretty cheap over there
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If you need information about building a computer, try going to www.3dmark.com forums... They are very helpful in hardware related issues.
But off the top of my head i would advise you getting something along the lines of the following:
CPU: P4 2.6-3.0 GHZ
Mobo: Asus P4P800 (onboard Sound/LAN - 1GIG)
RAM: 1024 gig of Crosair DDR PC3200 500MHZ RAM
HDD: 180 western digital 7200RPM SATA
GPU: Radeon 9800 XT (256-Bit, not 128-Bit)
And you can put it into some sort of moded case, here is an Aussie site I tend to use ( www.ccmods.com - though prices are in AUD).
I'm not 100% on the prices as I order my parts from here in Aus, so can't look on any Yank sites for accurate prices... But it should cost around $750-$900 USD all up, but if you are able to spend more theres some things you can upgrade. On the other hand if you cant spend that much there are some things you can downgrade...
But i would not advise getting a pre-made case from some random computer shop. Because with computers if it seems too good to be true it normally is. You will get it home and find out you have an onboard GFX card or something along those lines;)
Shit i'm bad... I self educated myself in ways of controlling feelings, now nothing feels like it's true... gotta be an assasin or sumtin.
even "WOW! YOU'VE GOT A GREAT EQUALIZER" gives your everyday fanboi an erection araound here so watch your mouth
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Thanks for responding...Actually BuZeR I think the ATI Radeon's performed better than nVidia's in MMORPG type games as opposed to FPS in some benchmarks, though the high-end cards were very close all around - according to Anandtech.com. Those were early tests I believe.
The MoBo thing is still a /boggle for me. What's ideal if my CPU is say...AMD Athlon 64 3500? Also, what's the deal with PCI-E slots? And Socket 939?
And I think after spending the rest of the night checking stuff out I agree with Aleister on the OCZ 3700EB RAM.
My initial question remains unanswered and that brings me to another...What's the best resource/guide for building your own system? This will be my first attempt and I'd like some intstruction book or manual or online guide. Anything geared for Gamers?
BTW BuZeR, not to flame, but could not get to 3dmark.com.
Thanks in advance.
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The deal with PCI-E slots is that the transfer rate is nearly double AGPx8, it is actually done through a multiple of x16 to put is in simple terms. The only thing is that it is pretty much only supported by high-end video cards that are out now such as the x800 and 6800, but then again it was designed for future expansions in technology and processing capabilities so it is doing what it is designed to do.
Socket 939 is the term used for the pin layout and structure of the connection between the CPU and MoBo. What I mean by that is that it is pretty much a description of how it plugs into the mobo. When you choose a CPU and MoBo you have to choose a MoBo that supports your CPU socket type. Most if not all 64-bit chips by AMD are socket 939 I believe or 754.
Here is the think to 3dmark.com = http://www.futuremark.com/. When you goto 3dmark.com it diverts you to there new website which is named futuremark, which is probably why the link didn't work.
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Thanks for the advice rathma!! That's good to know.
And DaShiz, thanks to you as well. That clears up the conundrum for me.
However, I am leaning toward PCI-E and x800 but not sure which CPU to throw in for good measure. I do want AMD if it matters.
Regards...
I think i'm the only one on this site that has an IBUYPOWER system
i also have the hat
but i just upgrade it all and everything myself..back then when i bought my system, i didn't know too much about em,t herefore didn't build it myself
good company, great support, fast shipping.
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since this is a tech forum, and murt was the last one to post, i have to ask. Your gaming rig has a nice vid card, but why did you put in a gig of 3200 DDR? the athlon 2500+, unless overclocked, operated at 333mhz FSB = DDR 2700. while you may have a mb that supports 3200 ram, which i suspect is likely one of the nforce boards which also supports dual channel, your proc isnt actually taking advantage of that speed.
you can find reference articles to these points here - http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1718 and here - http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzY0. the 2500+ and the 2800+ operate on nearly the same barton core.
you may want to see if switching ram to the 2700 will improve your performance, or at the very least, if you are running the nforce board, look into getting 512 of dual channel ram rather than a gig of regular, i guarrauntee that you will see a nice boost in performance.
yea I know exactly what you mean, and it did cross my mind..
but I was thinking ahead
the 2500 isn't a permanent cpu for me, it was supposed to be a temporary one..well it's been 7 months, lol
i was planning to switch it out with a new 64 one, thing is..i spent cash on a lot of other things
i just kept the 3200 ram so the new cpu could utlize that
i just need a good 300-400 bucks to get a new motherboard w/pci express, and an athlon 64..uhh..i'll check waht type exactly later
heh
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Next time someone askes for advice upon how to build a new comp, refer them to this Link.
It has quite a few links to some fairly in depth guides and some that are dumbed down for easy understanding.
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My new laptop (desperately waiting its arrival) is an IBUYPOWER system...damn nice one too. If you can go for it, do it...from what I've heard, they're worth it.
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i have a question...
i need answers...
please help?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/load/forums/loadforum/488/loadthread/19096/setstart/1/loadclass/35
Gunblade was incorrect. You can buy a pwr supp, mobo and new athlon 64 cpu for under $400 US.
ABIT "KV8" K8T800 Chipset mobo $91 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-177&depa=1
AMD Athlon 64 3000+, $172 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-424&depa=1
ENERMAX 460W ATX Power Supply, Model "EG465P-VE FM $89.75 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-488&depa=1
Total comes to $352.75.
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lol you got 2143 of them man
- actually I just wanted to add my 2 cents in here -
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kinda noticed
lol
and btw..i'm supposed to be almost near 9000 posts, but admin..oh i mean the server, sorry...stole them from me
they just disappeared...
it like showed 7000, then went down to 5000
then again i got bak up to 7000, then it went back down to 5000 where i am now...
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Hey folks I have a question.
I'm looking to buy a Laptop. Here's the guidelines...
1. I'm only going to be using it for word processing and internet surfing, really so it doesn't need to be brand new or even close. As a matter of fact my desktop is still a 733mhz, I upgraded from 128 to 600+ megs of ram a couple years ago but aside from that I'm still pretty happy with this same old thing, so as long as my laptop [b]seems[/b] comparable in speed and such to my desktop I should be fine.
2. As Thin and as Lightwieght as possible. I've already got a desktop comp that works fine for me, so the sole purpose of buying a Laptop is portability. I've handled other peoples Laptops before and alot of times they can seem too heavy/bulky to be worth the effort of lugging around, so I'd like mine to be as absolutly thin and a lightweight as possible.
3. Cheap. Ya, hehe, I need it to be pretty cheap within a couple hundred dollars at the most. Like I said it doesn't need to be near new, I would suggest 500mhz or so but frankly I'm not sure if that would be comparable to my desktop or not, I might not need nearly that much speed for just running MS Office and the Internet so I'll leave those suggestions up to those of you "in the know."
Those are pretty much all my guidelines. I figure ebay is probably my best bet considering prices seem higher everywhere else. So if anyone has any advice on any place i can get a decent laptop that fits the above it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
This topic has become FAR TOO LARGE for me (and I'm guessing many other users) to make any sort of sense of it. Would it be possible to PLEASE get a new folder/forum for MMORPG game hardware?
This has probably been said before in this thread; if it has, I'm sorry for repeating it.