I am a subscriber to both so I can give you my opinions on the two.
EQII is much deeper than LOTRO, however it is an older game and has more time to add content. The quests seem to be more involved,at least in the higher levels. There is less go kill 12 bug bears and come back to me for another quest. Those quests dominate the game at the beginning, but less at the end. The graphics in EQII are different, much darker. I prefer this to the bright happy graphics in other games.
Lotro is still a fun game. The controls are a little more difficult for me to play on my laptop but easy on my desktop so you may want to consider what type of computer you are playing it on. The graphics are good and on high levels sends my video card into a screeming fit that results in overheating (X2600HD if you care which one). I have not tried using dx10 so I cant conment on that yet. The number of people seem less on the server I play on, It was not like this during beta and early on but much lower now (briarwood). The game is not as in depth and is the wow mold a lot.
Both are good however if you want something you can pick up and play quickly go with LOTRO, if you want a game that requires a lot of time and want the depth go with EQII. You can't really go wrong with either one.
Like was said before they both offer trials. Try both and see which you like
I played EQ2 for 1.5 years... I'm now playing LoTRo going on 10 months (since open beta).
I enjoyed EQ2 but ever since I've started playing LoTRo I've never had the desire to go back; take that for what it's worth. I'm just one person and it's only an opinion.
Each game has a free download and a trial utilize them to look at each game and decide for yourself. Go with the game that you find the most fun. If you aren't having fun... then it's not the right game. You may decide you don't like either one... or you like both. You won't know until you try.
I've played both games and prefer Lotro simply because I enjoy the setting. Both games deserve recognition for a job well done in many aspects and I salute them both. I wouldn't give up my hobbit burglar for anything though
Tried the EQ2 trial few days ago and didn't like it. You have to start as fairy lol? After that I could start as some other race and I picked dwarf. Played 10-20 minutes and hit the exit. Graphics looked too "plastic" and somehow bit ugly.
Well, at least you are an equal opportunity hater
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Each game has it's strengths, and depending on your needs, you choose which you like the best...AFTER doing a trial...and not based on our fanboyish rants
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said but this is certainly true.
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Well in many respects they are very similar. Graphics I'm going to give to EQ2.. I guess that could be a personal choice or appeal thing.. but from me I'll say EQ2. They both have similar quests... lotr has scripted stories that are written around your character. Even tho after so many characters it would seem generic... when you first play it gives more atmosphere. Storyline.. I'd give to lotro. Content I'd give to EQ2. gameplay.. adventure.. could be a toss up. The end game for EQ2 is pretty much raiding, farming or decorating your house. End game lotro is.. is the player monster pvp thing, farming or decorating your house. EQ2 would have more classes.. but I always thought lore master in lotro was pretty cool. That said I still play EQ2 and don't play lotro... but either game can be good. It would depend on what you are looking for. As in if you want to raid... I'd say EQ2. (as an example).
I played vanguard and found the bugs were a bit too much to handle after getting to the end of the game. So I moved to LoTR and it was good for awhile. Then some people in the guild said they were going to eq2 and I'd played eq2 at launch and the ROK expansion was coming out so I decided to head to eq2. Well I've gotta say I'm enjoying eq2 quite a bit. LoTR felt a bit too scripted and falling off the track was always a bother. Plus I really got tired of grinding the achievement stuff. LoTR is a good game but I'm liking eq2 quite a bit more. I think I like that it doesn't feel so directed and there are lots of things to do that give you options for whatever playtime or playstyle you like. I don't feel burdened to follow the epic quest line etc.
So I'd say eq2. Heh and I'm still holding out for Vanguards triumphant return from the edge of the precipice....
Each game has it's strengths, and depending on your needs, you choose which you like the best...AFTER doing a trial...and not based on our fanboyish rants
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said but this is certainly true.
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great...
"handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
Kill ash owlbears and bring 30 pieces of their meat to Dragoon K'naae.
This is an auto update, not a dropped item.
If you accepted this quest before LU37, the number will be 60. You can delete the quest, and accept it again and only 30 items will be required.
Every owlbear works if they have ash in their name, with the exception of the Ancient Ash Owlbear named mob.
ash owlbears spawn east of the Commonlands gate along the path in the small valley ( -722, 75, 177 ) . The Journal update is every kill.
Dragoon K'naae says that a weapon was dishonorably taken from him by Captain T'Sanne, who resides in Citadel of Gul'thex ( 666, 0, -719 ) . Retrieve it.
Usually when you arrive at the citadel, there is group of 4 skeleton mobs in the courtyard. Keep killing them until Captain T'Sanne spawns. There will be three waves once you trigger the spawn wave. This may take several rounds of killing the 6 skeletons. If memory serves me well, three were 28^ and three were just 28. If a second group of skeletons spawns just after you kill the first group, you are on your way to T'Sanne spawning. Once they are dead Captain T'Sanne (29^-30^). (As of August 2007, he spawns by himself and only with a single up arrow. For me there was only 1 round of instant respawn skeles - all at the base levels)
Upon returning to Dragoon K'naae with the weapon, you are attacked by three assassins (29v).
Protect K'naae by killing them (try not to use any AE spells or combat arts, unless it is encounter only, as you may agro, or worse, kill, Dragoon K'naae) and then speak with K'naae to complete the quest.
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Each game has it's strengths, and depending on your needs, you choose which you like the best...AFTER doing a trial...and not based on our fanboyish rants
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said but this is certainly true.
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great...
"handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
Kill ash owlbears and bring 30 pieces of their meat to Dragoon K'naae.
This is an auto update, not a dropped item.
If you accepted this quest before LU37, the number will be 60. You can delete the quest, and accept it again and only 30 items will be required.
Every owlbear works if they have ash in their name, with the exception of the Ancient Ash Owlbear named mob.
ash owlbears spawn east of the Commonlands gate along the path in the small valley ( -722, 75, 177 ) . The Journal update is every kill.
Dragoon K'naae says that a weapon was dishonorably taken from him by Captain T'Sanne, who resides in Citadel of Gul'thex ( 666, 0, -719 ) . Retrieve it.
Usually when you arrive at the citadel, there is group of 4 skeleton mobs in the courtyard. Keep killing them until Captain T'Sanne spawns. There will be three waves once you trigger the spawn wave. This may take several rounds of killing the 6 skeletons. If memory serves me well, three were 28^ and three were just 28. If a second group of skeletons spawns just after you kill the first group, you are on your way to T'Sanne spawning. Once they are dead Captain T'Sanne (29^-30^). (As of August 2007, he spawns by himself and only with a single up arrow. For me there was only 1 round of instant respawn skeles - all at the base levels)
Upon returning to Dragoon K'naae with the weapon, you are attacked by three assassins (29v).
Protect K'naae by killing them (try not to use any AE spells or combat arts, unless it is encounter only, as you may agro, or worse, kill, Dragoon K'naae) and then speak with K'naae to complete the quest.
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Sorry...
Ok, first of all you took a 10+ step quest chain from LoTRO and boiled it down to the last step. And even on that step you left out enough details that i seriously doubt you ever played it. For example, I didn't see any mention of the hidden walls you have to find. You also picked one of the easiest barrow instance quest in the game. I can assure you that Tom Bombadil does not run up and smite the boss for you in most of them.
Second, how in the hell is anything that you described in that EQ II quest "hard?" Do you suck so badly at games that you would have had trouble with any of that? Really?
Even assuming for the sake of argument that the one EQ II quest you described was "hard"...what the hell would comparing two random quests, out of hundreds in both games, prove? Nothing at all.
Finally, I am currently playing EQ II in addition to LoTRO. And I'm sorry man, but in general the game is, if anything, easier than LoTRO. You have not experienced an easymode MMO until you have done the 1-20 quests in Timorous Deep. I have taken three toons through there, and managed to get killed exactly 0 times. I've also taken 2 toons through Darklight Woods, and it was also psychotically easy. At least there I died once.
In neither area did I wonder once for five seconds what the heck I was supposed to be doing or where I should be going. Not once in 20+ levels, even my first time through each zone. They held my hand all the way, just like you are bicthing about in LoTRO.
Yes, there is harder stuff to do at higher levels. And you can find some harder content if you seek it out. But it's exactly the same in LoTRO.
I'm sorry man, but you are living in a complete fantasy world if you think you are some sort of "elite gamer" because you are playing EQ II. They are both stupidly easy unless you seek out challenge.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
hi, i just want to know who has the best graphics ,storyline,gameplay ,adventure and content.. both games are cool but i just wanna know the balance beetween these 2 games. /discuss please. Thank you.
If you don't "get" the term "atmosphere" then you should be playing Eq2 .
. . .or WOW. But really I think that is why a lot of players don't get LoTRO. The things that make LoTRO exceptional are just too subtle for them to notice or appreciate.
That's why I don't flat out reccommend LoTRO to anyone. I tell them to do the trial. Either they will "get it" and love it, or they won't. And if they don't, honestly something with more classes and content like EQ II or WoW would likely suit them better. If you can't appreciate how much more polished and cohesive LoTRO is than those games (and it seems to fly right over the head of a lot of players), I imagine it would get old pretty quick.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
hi, i just want to know who has the best graphics ,storyline,gameplay ,adventure and content.. both games are cool but i just wanna know the balance beetween these 2 games. /discuss please. Thank you.
If you don't "get" the term "atmosphere" then you should be playing Eq2 .
. . .or WOW. But really I think that is why a lot of players don't get LoTRO. The things that make LoTRO exceptional are just too subtle for them to notice or appreciate.
That's why I don't flat out reccommend LoTRO to anyone. I tell them to do the trial. Either they will "get it" and love it, or they won't. And if they don't, honestly something with more classes and content like EQ II or WoW would likely suit them better. If you can't appreciate how much more polished and cohesive LoTRO is than those games (and it seems to fly right over the head of a lot of players), I imagine it would get old pretty quick.
There is nothing subtle about copying all other games in the genre...as many games have done before...
And as i have stated, pretty landscapes does not equal "atmosphere"...the whole package has to make you satisfied...
LOTRO was just not satisfying to me...but, OP, your mileage may vary
Each game has it's strengths, and depending on your needs, you choose which you like the best...AFTER doing a trial...and not based on our fanboyish rants
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said but this is certainly true.
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great...
"handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
Kill ash owlbears and bring 30 pieces of their meat to Dragoon K'naae.
This is an auto update, not a dropped item.
If you accepted this quest before LU37, the number will be 60. You can delete the quest, and accept it again and only 30 items will be required.
Every owlbear works if they have ash in their name, with the exception of the Ancient Ash Owlbear named mob.
ash owlbears spawn east of the Commonlands gate along the path in the small valley ( -722, 75, 177 ) . The Journal update is every kill.
Dragoon K'naae says that a weapon was dishonorably taken from him by Captain T'Sanne, who resides in Citadel of Gul'thex ( 666, 0, -719 ) . Retrieve it.
Usually when you arrive at the citadel, there is group of 4 skeleton mobs in the courtyard. Keep killing them until Captain T'Sanne spawns. There will be three waves once you trigger the spawn wave. This may take several rounds of killing the 6 skeletons. If memory serves me well, three were 28^ and three were just 28. If a second group of skeletons spawns just after you kill the first group, you are on your way to T'Sanne spawning. Once they are dead Captain T'Sanne (29^-30^). (As of August 2007, he spawns by himself and only with a single up arrow. For me there was only 1 round of instant respawn skeles - all at the base levels)
Upon returning to Dragoon K'naae with the weapon, you are attacked by three assassins (29v).
Protect K'naae by killing them (try not to use any AE spells or combat arts, unless it is encounter only, as you may agro, or worse, kill, Dragoon K'naae) and then speak with K'naae to complete the quest.
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Sorry...
Openedge1,
Come on bud... if you're gonna make troll posts, at least make them as entertaining as they used to be.
You're really grasping at straws these days in order to fulfill your "EQ2 is better than LOTRO" vendetta. I know you're running out of material, but at least make it look real.
You take two random quests from both games... do a quick one paragraph summation of the LAST part of an 11 part quest chain and compare it to the most detailed description of an a-typical EQ2 quest including links!
Come on bud... you can do better than this... we all know you can!
PS- it weakens your case when you plant a troll seed and then try to use the "try the game for yourself" ending... doesn't work
_________________________________ JonMichael
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Come on bud... if you're gonna make troll posts, at least make them as entertaining as they used to be. You're really grasping at straws these days in order to fulfill your "EQ2 is better than LOTRO" vendetta. I know you're running out of material, but at least make it look real. You take two random quests from both games... do a quick one paragraph summation of the LAST part of an 11 part quest chain and compare it to the most detailed description of an a-typical EQ2 quest including links! Come on bud... you can do better than this... we all know you can! PS- it weakens your case when you plant a troll seed and then try to use the "try the game for yourself" ending... doesn't work
QFT )
So desperate... the best he can come up with is the mummified dead horse of "lotro is a copy of WOW/EQ2/you name it) )
Starting to feel bad for him already...
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I really don't want to write this, but it SO pours out of my mind now.
Since when are artificially complicated quests an indicator of a quality challenge? Don't get me wrong, I love challenge, like holding a random position in a random PvP MMO with far less people that would normally be required.
Still having to kill placeholder mobs, find the right "type" in one out of 10 twin-like bear-mobs to get its paw, well, while I agree that this is a challenge, it's merely one for your patience. Something that does not appeal to my sense of fun...
"Everything has its price in MMO-gaming. In some games, the price of success is fun."
Each game has it's strengths, and depending on your needs, you choose which you like the best...AFTER doing a trial...and not based on our fanboyish rants
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said but this is certainly true.
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great...
"handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
Kill ash owlbears and bring 30 pieces of their meat to Dragoon K'naae.
This is an auto update, not a dropped item.
If you accepted this quest before LU37, the number will be 60. You can delete the quest, and accept it again and only 30 items will be required.
Every owlbear works if they have ash in their name, with the exception of the Ancient Ash Owlbear named mob.
ash owlbears spawn east of the Commonlands gate along the path in the small valley ( -722, 75, 177 ) . The Journal update is every kill.
Dragoon K'naae says that a weapon was dishonorably taken from him by Captain T'Sanne, who resides in Citadel of Gul'thex ( 666, 0, -719 ) . Retrieve it.
Usually when you arrive at the citadel, there is group of 4 skeleton mobs in the courtyard. Keep killing them until Captain T'Sanne spawns. There will be three waves once you trigger the spawn wave. This may take several rounds of killing the 6 skeletons. If memory serves me well, three were 28^ and three were just 28. If a second group of skeletons spawns just after you kill the first group, you are on your way to T'Sanne spawning. Once they are dead Captain T'Sanne (29^-30^). (As of August 2007, he spawns by himself and only with a single up arrow. For me there was only 1 round of instant respawn skeles - all at the base levels)
Upon returning to Dragoon K'naae with the weapon, you are attacked by three assassins (29v).
Protect K'naae by killing them (try not to use any AE spells or combat arts, unless it is encounter only, as you may agro, or worse, kill, Dragoon K'naae) and then speak with K'naae to complete the quest.
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Sorry...
Openedge1,
Come on bud... if you're gonna make troll posts, at least make them as entertaining as they used to be.
You're really grasping at straws these days in order to fulfill your "EQ2 is better than LOTRO" vendetta. I know you're running out of material, but at least make it look real.
You take two random quests from both games... do a quick one paragraph summation of the LAST part of an 11 part quest chain and compare it to the most detailed description of an a-typical EQ2 quest including links!
Come on bud... you can do better than this... we all know you can!
PS- it weakens your case when you plant a troll seed and then try to use the "try the game for yourself" ending... doesn't work
Exactly!
Perhaps some on this board will now see openedge's true colors.
I did find humorous that in the past he complained to no end about LoTRo's kill x quests. Then he uses a kill x quest (that was made easier no less) from EQ2 to show how much "better" they are than LoTRo.
For those of us who have seen openedge's posts over that last 9 months... did anyone else see the humor in that? It was just another reason why I like reading the forums here... they make me laugh.
Edit: Here's a link to a fairly simple walk-through of the quests involved for what was half-heartedly put forth as LoTRo's questing. The part that was described above (badly) is the instance between Chapter 11 and Chapter 12. lotro.mmodb.com/quests/chapter-1:-unravelling-the-thread-81.php
Remember, I didn't cherry pick this quest-line. As was mentioned before it's the easiest and meant to be done around level 12-15 (If in a decent group). This is what a self-described LoTRo hater put forth as an example of LoTRos questing... so I guess he thinks this is the worst one. This is just the first of 12 books for the epic story-line. There are many, many other quests and quest-lines as well. Look around at that site and see for yourself some of LoTRo's quests.
So which is better chess with the red and black checker board or maybe white and black checker board is better, which?
The answer is the same as your question!
Best bet is to try them for yourself.
For me it was EQ2, because it lets me play the bad guys as well as letting me choose another race besides human, elf, dwarf or hobbit, sorry i mean Halfling.
LOTRO, I had a look, so far it looks like you can only play fellowship and you also get to play the Orcs when you do pvp on some island, when they add on the orcs and trolls, etc as characters to play, then I'll give it a go.
So which is better chess with the red and black checker board or maybe white and black checker board is better, which? The answer is the same as your question! Best bet is to try them for yourself. For me it was EQ2, because it lets me play the bad guys as well as letting me choose another race besides human, elf, dwarf or hobbit, sorry i mean Halfling. LOTRO, I had a look, so far it looks like you can only play fellowship and you also get to play the Orcs when you do pvp on some island, when they add on the orcs and trolls, etc as characters to play, then I'll give it a go. for now EQ2 is ok.
This is a better worded opinion than some I have seen here
If LOTRO had more "WoW" factor (pun intended) then it could be a more enjoyable game...but, it just did not work for me...and so many others I see going back to WoW or EQ2...
EQ2 has a more "detailed" layout and a more entertaining playstyle. But, it is my personal preference...take the listed quests I used as an example above... ...EQ2's quest just proved more fun to play than the LOTRO quest did.....
As to your statement about playing the evil side, this is quite true...and the abundance of differences in the area's, their landscapes and even their quests just overall is more fun...period..
But, only time will tell...I do not expect EQ2 to be long for this world, and actually hope one of the new MMO's proves to be a good replacement...because LOTRO was not it for me..
Edit: Here's a link to a fairly simple walk-through of the quests involved for what was half-heartedly put forth as LoTRo's questing. The part that was described above (badly) is the instance between Chapter 11 and Chapter 12. lotro.mmodb.com/quests/chapter-1:-unravelling-the-thread-81.php
And then an example of how the EQ2 timeline progresses
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I am a subscriber to both so I can give you my opinions on the two.
EQII is much deeper than LOTRO, however it is an older game and has more time to add content. The quests seem to be more involved,at least in the higher levels. There is less go kill 12 bug bears and come back to me for another quest. Those quests dominate the game at the beginning, but less at the end. The graphics in EQII are different, much darker. I prefer this to the bright happy graphics in other games.
Lotro is still a fun game. The controls are a little more difficult for me to play on my laptop but easy on my desktop so you may want to consider what type of computer you are playing it on. The graphics are good and on high levels sends my video card into a screeming fit that results in overheating (X2600HD if you care which one). I have not tried using dx10 so I cant conment on that yet. The number of people seem less on the server I play on, It was not like this during beta and early on but much lower now (briarwood). The game is not as in depth and is the wow mold a lot.
Both are good however if you want something you can pick up and play quickly go with LOTRO, if you want a game that requires a lot of time and want the depth go with EQII. You can't really go wrong with either one.
Like was said before they both offer trials. Try both and see which you like
There is far more content in EQ2 though
I played EQ2 for 1.5 years... I'm now playing LoTRo going on 10 months (since open beta).
I enjoyed EQ2 but ever since I've started playing LoTRo I've never had the desire to go back; take that for what it's worth. I'm just one person and it's only an opinion.
Each game has a free download and a trial utilize them to look at each game and decide for yourself. Go with the game that you find the most fun. If you aren't having fun... then it's not the right game. You may decide you don't like either one... or you like both. You won't know until you try.
I've played both games and prefer Lotro simply because I enjoy the setting. Both games deserve recognition for a job well done in many aspects and I salute them both. I wouldn't give up my hobbit burglar for anything though
Well, at least you are an equal opportunity hater
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me
I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Ditto
I played vanguard and found the bugs were a bit too much to handle after getting to the end of the game. So I moved to LoTR and it was good for awhile. Then some people in the guild said they were going to eq2 and I'd played eq2 at launch and the ROK expansion was coming out so I decided to head to eq2. Well I've gotta say I'm enjoying eq2 quite a bit. LoTR felt a bit too scripted and falling off the track was always a bother. Plus I really got tired of grinding the achievement stuff. LoTR is a good game but I'm liking eq2 quite a bit more. I think I like that it doesn't feel so directed and there are lots of things to do that give you options for whatever playtime or playstyle you like. I don't feel burdened to follow the epic quest line etc.
So I'd say eq2. Heh and I'm still holding out for Vanguards triumphant return from the edge of the precipice....
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Ethion
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me
I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great..."handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Sorry...
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me
I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great..."handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Sorry...
Ok, first of all you took a 10+ step quest chain from LoTRO and boiled it down to the last step. And even on that step you left out enough details that i seriously doubt you ever played it. For example, I didn't see any mention of the hidden walls you have to find. You also picked one of the easiest barrow instance quest in the game. I can assure you that Tom Bombadil does not run up and smite the boss for you in most of them.
Second, how in the hell is anything that you described in that EQ II quest "hard?" Do you suck so badly at games that you would have had trouble with any of that? Really?
Even assuming for the sake of argument that the one EQ II quest you described was "hard"...what the hell would comparing two random quests, out of hundreds in both games, prove? Nothing at all.
Finally, I am currently playing EQ II in addition to LoTRO. And I'm sorry man, but in general the game is, if anything, easier than LoTRO. You have not experienced an easymode MMO until you have done the 1-20 quests in Timorous Deep. I have taken three toons through there, and managed to get killed exactly 0 times. I've also taken 2 toons through Darklight Woods, and it was also psychotically easy. At least there I died once.
In neither area did I wonder once for five seconds what the heck I was supposed to be doing or where I should be going. Not once in 20+ levels, even my first time through each zone. They held my hand all the way, just like you are bicthing about in LoTRO.
Yes, there is harder stuff to do at higher levels. And you can find some harder content if you seek it out. But it's exactly the same in LoTRO.
I'm sorry man, but you are living in a complete fantasy world if you think you are some sort of "elite gamer" because you are playing EQ II. They are both stupidly easy unless you seek out challenge.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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LOTRO is a very well polished game, my only concern was content, or the lack there of in the long run. EQ2 IMO is the better game all around.
step #1. Visit everquest2_site , get trial version
step #2. Visit lotro_site, get trial version
step #3. Compare the two games. Subscribe to the one you prefer (if any).
step #4. Right your own opinion in this thread and let flamewar begin!!!
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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. . .or WOW. But really I think that is why a lot of players don't get LoTRO. The things that make LoTRO exceptional are just too subtle for them to notice or appreciate.
That's why I don't flat out reccommend LoTRO to anyone. I tell them to do the trial. Either they will "get it" and love it, or they won't. And if they don't, honestly something with more classes and content like EQ II or WoW would likely suit them better. If you can't appreciate how much more polished and cohesive LoTRO is than those games (and it seems to fly right over the head of a lot of players), I imagine it would get old pretty quick.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
step #1. Visit everquest2_site , get trial version
step #2. Visit lotro_site, get trial version
step #3. Compare the two games. Subscribe to the one you prefer (if any).
step #4. Right your own opinion in this thread and let flamewar begin!!!
Well said...really sad that others resort to name calling, instead of reading the words of a post...As I have stated...try the trials, and choose your favorite...
Enjoy
. . .or WOW. But really I think that is why a lot of players don't get LoTRO. The things that make LoTRO exceptional are just too subtle for them to notice or appreciate.
That's why I don't flat out reccommend LoTRO to anyone. I tell them to do the trial. Either they will "get it" and love it, or they won't. And if they don't, honestly something with more classes and content like EQ II or WoW would likely suit them better. If you can't appreciate how much more polished and cohesive LoTRO is than those games (and it seems to fly right over the head of a lot of players), I imagine it would get old pretty quick.
There is nothing subtle about copying all other games in the genre...as many games have done before...And as i have stated, pretty landscapes does not equal "atmosphere"...the whole package has to make you satisfied...
LOTRO was just not satisfying to me...but, OP, your mileage may vary
Try the trials is your best option..
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me
I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great..."handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Sorry...
Openedge1,
Come on bud... if you're gonna make troll posts, at least make them as entertaining as they used to be.
You're really grasping at straws these days in order to fulfill your "EQ2 is better than LOTRO" vendetta. I know you're running out of material, but at least make it look real.
You take two random quests from both games... do a quick one paragraph summation of the LAST part of an 11 part quest chain and compare it to the most detailed description of an a-typical EQ2 quest including links!
Come on bud... you can do better than this... we all know you can!
PS- it weakens your case when you plant a troll seed and then try to use the "try the game for yourself" ending... doesn't work
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
So desperate... the best he can come up with is the mummified dead horse of "lotro is a copy of WOW/EQ2/you name it)
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Starting to feel bad for him already...
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I really don't want to write this, but it SO pours out of my mind now.
Since when are artificially complicated quests an indicator of a quality challenge? Don't get me wrong, I love challenge, like holding a random position in a random PvP MMO with far less people that would normally be required.
Still having to kill placeholder mobs, find the right "type" in one out of 10 twin-like bear-mobs to get its paw, well, while I agree that this is a challenge, it's merely one for your patience. Something that does not appeal to my sense of fun...
"Everything has its price in MMO-gaming. In some games, the price of success is fun."
Meridion
Lol, it's been a long time since I could agree on anything you said
Too bad the paragraph before it was - again - utterly subjective. I found EQ2 and WoW just as "handholding" and not a tad more challenging then LOTRO.
It is your own playstyle that can make a game challenging. If I want challenging, I will try to kill mobs 4 levels above me
I remember you complaining about bears at your level (or 1-2 higher) killing you. I never had problems killing bears 4 levels above my character - still don't call LOTRO less challinging than any other game.
Again - no point in trying to decide a game based on fanboy or troll posts - better try ourselves. Glad we agree on this
DB
Yeah, seriously. If you find WoW, LoTRO, or EQ II remotely challenging you must really suck at games.
There are challenging things available to do in all three. But as far as just running around doing your normal quests? I can assure you that quests are generally just as easy in EQ II as in LoTRO and WoW.
Seriously...I just wonder if anyone REALLY plays the other games, or just really believe their own words...and do they think quests in LOTRO are that great..."handhold vs detailed"
Handhold
LOTRO = After entering the instance speak with Tom Bombadil. The go to the Great Barrow. Once you zone in, follow the path spiraling downward. As you go down, you'll face mostly elite 15 to 17th level mobs. Just be careful and you should do fine. Fight mobs, then rest and continue on. When you fight the bosses, they'll spawn extra mobs which are not elite. Once you get to the last mob, Tom Bombadil will appear and give him the finishing blow (you just need to get the boss about half way down on health). Speak with Tom to zone out of the instance. You'll reappear inside Tom's house. You have to run back outside and speak with Tom to finish off the quest and to collect your reward.
Detailed
EQ2 =
This fulfills a quest for a
Master Weapon, Cash and Guild Status Points to level the guild...so, the quest promotes guild groupings...but, can be done with a duo if need be..
More intricate and detailed...
As well...as people keep thinking that "handhold" just represents difficulty....it is not JUST that...but the fact that you have to do some legwork, you have to keep on your toes...you have to investigate....
This is a more fleshed out world to me...even though Tolkiens vision is deeper....Turbines MMO of Tolkiens World is NOT deep...
Sorry...
Openedge1,
Come on bud... if you're gonna make troll posts, at least make them as entertaining as they used to be.
You're really grasping at straws these days in order to fulfill your "EQ2 is better than LOTRO" vendetta. I know you're running out of material, but at least make it look real.
You take two random quests from both games... do a quick one paragraph summation of the LAST part of an 11 part quest chain and compare it to the most detailed description of an a-typical EQ2 quest including links!
Come on bud... you can do better than this... we all know you can!
PS- it weakens your case when you plant a troll seed and then try to use the "try the game for yourself" ending... doesn't work
Exactly!
Perhaps some on this board will now see openedge's true colors.
I did find humorous that in the past he complained to no end about LoTRo's kill x quests. Then he uses a kill x quest (that was made easier no less) from EQ2 to show how much "better" they are than LoTRo.
For those of us who have seen openedge's posts over that last 9 months... did anyone else see the humor in that? It was just another reason why I like reading the forums here... they make me laugh.
Edit: Here's a link to a fairly simple walk-through of the quests involved for what was half-heartedly put forth as LoTRo's questing. The part that was described above (badly) is the instance between Chapter 11 and Chapter 12. lotro.mmodb.com/quests/chapter-1:-unravelling-the-thread-81.php
Remember, I didn't cherry pick this quest-line. As was mentioned before it's the easiest and meant to be done around level 12-15 (If in a decent group). This is what a self-described LoTRo hater put forth as an example of LoTRos questing... so I guess he thinks this is the worst one. This is just the first of 12 books for the epic story-line. There are many, many other quests and quest-lines as well. Look around at that site and see for yourself some of LoTRo's quests.
So which is better chess with the red and black checker board or maybe white and black checker board is better, which?
The answer is the same as your question!
Best bet is to try them for yourself.
For me it was EQ2, because it lets me play the bad guys as well as letting me choose another race besides human, elf, dwarf or hobbit, sorry i mean Halfling.
LOTRO, I had a look, so far it looks like you can only play fellowship and you also get to play the Orcs when you do pvp on some island, when they add on the orcs and trolls, etc as characters to play, then I'll give it a go.
for now EQ2 is ok.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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If LOTRO had more "WoW" factor (pun intended) then it could be a more enjoyable game...but, it just did not work for me...and so many others I see going back to WoW or EQ2...
EQ2 has a more "detailed" layout and a more entertaining playstyle. But, it is my personal preference...take the listed quests I used as an example above... ...EQ2's quest just proved more fun to play than the LOTRO quest did.....
As to your statement about playing the evil side, this is quite true...and the abundance of differences in the area's, their landscapes and even their quests just overall is more fun...period..
But, only time will tell...I do not expect EQ2 to be long for this world, and actually hope one of the new MMO's proves to be a good replacement...because LOTRO was not it for me..
Later
EQ2 Wiki Solo
EQ2 Wiki Heroic
In so many words...wish to solo? You have a complete path to level 80 full of quests
Want to group, then follow the heroic quest lines..
Wait, would you rather be a craftsman and follow a Crafting profession instead of adventurer?
EQ2 wiki Crafting
Complete quests and gain status without stepping out of your home..
So many avenues...and 3 years in the making...so, if you enjoy a lot of content then Eq2 is the way to go
The best bet is hopefully LOTRO will have as much content as EQ2 in that amount of time...guess we have to wait and see....
Later