There's not a chance in hell of this game doing anywhere near as well as WoW has done, or take it's current numbers. As most have said, it's the M rating and system requirements. This game would be lucky to eclipse 200K subs, mostly within the first month, before it falls out with some going back to WoW, and the rest going back to the drawing board waiting for the next MMO.
Bottom line, this game is gonna be Vanguard 2.0.
Plus it's going to be another game that's missing a ton of crap on launch, even with it's new launch date. They're probably gonna push it back to fall or winter.
Warhammer might do well, but crossing the 1 million subs line will really depend on the month before and after game launch. That's where MMO's take off or sink these days, people are impatient and intolerant in the MMO community, and will gladly cancel sub. But, it's WoW with newer graphics for the most part.
Another big part of the reason it's really hard for new MMO's to keep staying power is because a lot of people have already played one or more MMO's and they really get super annoyed having to essentially start over again in a new game, so they really have to believe the game is great, and they have to enjoy it.
Me personally, I think whichever game has a decent open beta period before launch will be the one to watch. When they put out an open beta before people have to commit money, that says "we're confident in our game, so confident you can try it before putting down cash and committing to it".
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Baseline
There's not a chance in hell of this game doing anywhere near as well as WoW has done, or take it's current numbers. As most have said, it's the M rating and system requirements. This game would be lucky to eclipse 200K subs, mostly within the first month, before it falls out with some going back to WoW, and the rest going back to the drawing board waiting for the next MMO. Bottom line, this game is gonna be Vanguard 2.0. Plus it's going to be another game that's missing a ton of crap on launch, even with it's new launch date. They're probably gonna push it back to fall or winter. Warhammer might do well, but crossing the 1 million subs line will really depend on the month before and after game launch. That's where MMO's take off or sink these days, people are impatient and intolerant in the MMO community, and will gladly cancel sub. But, it's WoW with newer graphics for the most part. Another big part of the reason it's really hard for new MMO's to keep staying power is because a lot of people have already played one or more MMO's and they really get super annoyed having to essentially start over again in a new game, so they really have to believe the game is great, and they have to enjoy it. Me personally, I think whichever game has a decent open beta period before launch will be the one to watch. When they put out an open beta before people have to commit money, that says "we're confident in our game, so confident you can try it before putting down cash and committing to it".
No offence "Mystic Meg" but how the hell do you know what this game is going to be like? You need to learn where to put the word assumption in a sentance. $50 if you can tell me what my dinner tomorrow night, but your really good at guessing.
AoC wont be a WoW killer, it will have a nice amount of people and populated servers based on current interest and Funcoms predictions.
I also read today that COD4 sold 1.5 million copies for Xbox360 alone where as Crysis only sold 87k both just in november. There is a console market and its massive, will be interesting to see how AoC does when the 360 version comes out prob around christmas.
^ Who knows whats going to happen, but personally think not going to be a WoW killer.
Wow Killer, no. A very large portion of WoWs player base is in Asia and AOC will probably not appeal to the Asian market.
Plus.
We dont need a bunch of WoW killer games coming out. What we need is a bunch of quality niche style games coming out again so the genre can once again be diverse.
people might find this irrelevant but i heard from many people that this will be the new top MMORPG and will overthrow WoW
Well I heared the same about lotro and war and... I think every game gots its own stuff and its own game system.
For wat I saw on this one I dont think the WoW community will move to this one, its too different gameplaying system. Btw, comparing games its never a good thing, just question of tastes, and the most important thing: WoW got 3 years after it, while this game is not released, this means it not got all his potential but got (or it must... got) better technology... so dont think you can compare them, its like comparing UO vs WoW
Are you guys even paying attention to the stuff coming out about this game? This game is THE game we've all been waiting for. a Mature, deep, beautiful mmo. No of course it won't break WOW's subs records but I am certain that everyone over 18 who's moved on from wow will be getting into this game. and barring a botched extremely buggy launch or some other random happening this game looks to be a hands down winner. I mean, everything I've seen and read about the game is near perfect. Have you SEEN the SS's? And the fact that they are giving us a true action experience WITH the MMO and loot system us pack rat lewt whores love means to me, as long as they get the content and gameplay right I'm going in head first baby!
Whoa son, you've bought into the hype far too much and you are setting yourself up for a terrible letdown. AOC might be a good game and fun to play, but it won't be the 2nd coming as your post seems to indicate.
You misjudge the MMO world, WOW's player base isn't all children, in fact, a huge portion are 30 somethings that will never even consider playing AOC or WAR.
umm no, I have read everything I can about this game and from what it looks like it's shaping up to be wicked. and those 30-40 somthings can stay in wow for all I care. The people I want to game with are 20 somethings who have been playing games since they were 5 on thier ataris and know what gaming is about. Not some soccer mom and MS engineer who play cause they don't want to cook dinner or talk to thier disfunctional families.
They are not cool because they play wow and nothing else, they are the parents who make fun guilds boring by having a hissy when something not "family friendly" is said in guild chat, and to top it off they bring thier 8 and 9 yo's into the game and expect that the guild let them raid when they can't grasp even a small part of the gameplay... not to mention bringing the maturity level down.
they know nothing of anything other than maybe EQ1. Lame players, mediocre at best. The good ones will rise to the top and move over if it turns out to be the great game I'm expecting.
I know for a fact that wow has lost a huge portion of it's hardcore gamers. Not hardcore WOW gamers but 20 somethings who've been gaming from the womb. It's that large base of ex-wow players who will grasp onto this game and make it a contender. If the content and gameplay are as good as the graphics look, and if the twich combat works then people will notice. I mean, LOTRO got a good chunck of ex wow players but that game really doesn't scream cool... it's a little too fruity. AOC screams cool. Being the first mature MMORPG is a huge thing as well. We'll see content we have never even heard of in an MMO.
I mean come on! Nipples man! Nipples! Everything else is gravey!!!
I will play AoC when I get my beta key or later. I've been a Conan fan since 1978. Yeah, I'm 40+, but have dabbled in other M.M.O's frequently. I won't delete my avatars on WOW after all the time investment I've put into them. Nostalgia will over take alot of former WOW players from time to time and bring them back for, say just one subscription game card?
No, the WOW killer I am waiting for is one that Blizzard knows could do it in, and thats a Starcraft M.M.O. Luckily for Blizzard, they own that property, therefore they can afford to wait till everyone upgrades their computers to a level where they can do it justice. Everyone meaning the majority of subscribers caught up in the defacto arms race between gamers.
Blizzard will milk WOW for all its worth, giving them ample time to come up with the Starcraft redux of WOW, refueling their coffers. This is a business that has refused to sell out and is in it for the long haul.
Warhammer people have Dawn of War, which boasts already more races to play than the upcoming Starcraft 2 RTS game. I have all the Dawn of War's and now await their new release next month. Warhammer 40k M.M.O. might beat Starcraft M.M.O. to market, and that may qualify as a potential WOW killer. But if Warhammer online goes kaput, Blizzard wont be alarmed at the Warhammer 40k M.M.O.
Right now, there is brand loyalty. All the lessons learned from WOW will go into the Starcraft M.M.O.
I hope change is good, and that Blizzard will take notice and begin their efforts for a sci-fi MMO outlet for us all sooner rather then later. Or you 20 somethings will soon be my age before you get to play Starcraft the M.M.O.!!!
This may sound odd but I don't want AoC to be the "wow killer". I want it to have a healthy following with it's own interesting and different community. I have come across quite a few "unpleasant" individuals in my time of WoW and I honestly hope they stick with their game just so that I can leave them behind and only remember them in the once a year nightmares
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
There is not the slightest chance AoC or any other game for the mater will kill WoW. WoW has been running for 3 yrs, has had countless tv ads, mouth to mouth promotion etc and most importantly it has taken over the biggest MMO market in the world: Asia. That by itself may be irrelevant to most of us EU/NA people but lets face it, taking the typical asian grindfest lover and turning him into a fan of your game while still appealing to american and european playerbase is something unique so far. And i dont see any of the upcoming games repeating it
MMORPGs don't 'kill' other MMORPGs, developers do.
EQ didn't kill UO, WoW didn't kill EQ or even EQ2. UO, EQ and EQ2 are still around and WoW will be around long after the next generation of MMORPGs and for as long as Blizzard wants to support it.
It would be interesting if rather than stealing ex-WoW players if Age of Conan brings in NEW players to the MMORPG genre. Thanks to it being released on the Xbox that is certainly a possibility. There will certainly be many former WoW players in AoC, but there may also be people who never played a MMORPG who could end up given them a try with AoC.
umm no, I have read everything I can about this game and from what it looks like it's shaping up to be wicked. and those 30-40 somthings can stay in wow for all I care. The people I want to game with are 20 somethings who have been playing games since they were 5 on thier ataris and know what gaming is about.
The atari 2600 came out in 1975. Do the math, the crowd you speak of playing ataris when they were 5 will include a large portion of 30 somethings as well. Learn2Math, Forget2Assume, and LearnNotToBeElitist.
Secondly, how many freaking speculation threads on what game will overthrow WoW can one site produce? Everytime people say a game will overthrow WoW it never exceeds 400k subscribers, and most fall on their face.
Edit: Im not saying AoC will not do well, in fact, I hope it does. We need more diversity in online games.
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by vmoped
Originally posted by mwitters
umm no, I have read everything I can about this game and from what it looks like it's shaping up to be wicked. and those 30-40 somthings can stay in wow for all I care. The people I want to game with are 20 somethings who have been playing games since they were 5 on thier ataris and know what gaming is about.
The atari 2600 came out in 1975. Do the math, the crowd you speak of playing ataris when they were 5 will include a large portion of 30 somethings as well. Learn2Math, Forget2Assume, and LearnNotToBeElitist.
Secondly, how many freaking speculation threads on what game will overthrow WoW can one site produce? Everytime people say a game will overthrow WoW it never exceeds 400k subscribers, and most fall on their face.
Edit: Im not saying AoC will not do well, in fact, I hope it does. We need more diversity in online games.
I had an Atari 800 XL (and still have) brought for me in 1984 This started a long running trend and I know it got me into video games
I will play AoC when I get my beta key or later. I've been a Conan fan since 1978. Yeah, I'm 40+, but have dabbled in other M.M.O's frequently. I won't delete my avatars on WOW after all the time investment I've put into them. Nostalgia will over take alot of former WOW players from time to time and bring them back for, say just one subscription game card? No, the WOW killer I am waiting for is one that Blizzard knows could do it in, and thats a Starcraft M.M.O. Luckily for Blizzard, they own that property, therefore they can afford to wait till everyone upgrades their computers to a level where they can do it justice. Everyone meaning the majority of subscribers caught up in the defacto arms race between gamers. Blizzard will milk WOW for all its worth, giving them ample time to come up with the Starcraft redux of WOW, refueling their coffers. This is a business that has refused to sell out and is in it for the long haul. Warhammer people have Dawn of War, which boasts already more races to play than the upcoming Starcraft 2 RTS game. I have all the Dawn of War's and now await their new release next month. Warhammer 40k M.M.O. might beat Starcraft M.M.O. to market, and that may qualify as a potential WOW killer. But if Warhammer online goes kaput, Blizzard wont be alarmed at the Warhammer 40k M.M.O. Right now, there is brand loyalty. All the lessons learned from WOW will go into the Starcraft M.M.O. I hope change is good, and that Blizzard will take notice and begin their efforts for a sci-fi MMO outlet for us all sooner rather then later. Or you 20 somethings will soon be my age before you get to play Starcraft the M.M.O.!!!
WoW has already giving blizzard back every penny they spent on it and a surplus by an insane amount, WoW was never really thought to be this successful not even by blizzard they weren't prepared for this amount of players, luckily for blizzard it raised not in a blink of an eye but "human possible" speed for them to get new servers online fast (lol).
Anyways WoW has giving blizzard the budget for thier next mmo, which has the highest budget of all mmorpgs ever and with the current revenue WoW gives blizzard, they will never need to rush it one bit at all, hell WoW has given Blizzard back so much in the past few years it has been around that they won't have ANY budget problems with their current and secret MMO project.
However i have to tell you that even at the time that next one comes, i believe Blizzard won't be taking the system reqs high, they never did it with thier other games and as they have said many times before they want as many people to enjoy their games as possible, they do not want to force people getting new system rigs to play their games, which not only is a great market feat but also a great way to "bond" with the gamers who play their games, makes it feel they place their effort in fun and entertainment before headache system rigs that might look eyecandy tastic but that's also where blizzard just gives that eye candy in form of the best Cinematics.
Now to topic....
Don't think AoC will kill WoW at all but i look forward to AoC, i love the lore and can't wait to try it out, i just hope it's polished atleast a little and doesn't come out on the wrong leg, would be a shame to see one of many people's, including my own, favorite old fantasy settings being ruined =/ I don't want to see SoC turn out as shit, it doesn't deserve to end like a shit mmorpg so funcom better work their arse off to make it worth having the title "Age of Conan".
I just want to be the silly shapeshifter who tells Conan the wind spirits/gods are above Conan's gods who dwell in the mountains..... hell i want the emote; "Gromm!!! i never prayed to you......." sadly can't remember the important last part, better watch the timeless movie once again, amazing that such an old movie, which you saw as a young boy, still to this day is such a great movie, will the game be the same? I hope so. =S
umm no, I have read everything I can about this game and from what it looks like it's shaping up to be wicked. and those 30-40 somthings can stay in wow for all I care. The people I want to game with are 20 somethings who have been playing games since they were 5 on thier ataris and know what gaming is about.
Son, I was wtfpwning my friends with curveball cannonballs in "Combat" on my Atari before you were even born. Sorry, it isn't the 20 somethings that invented "gaming" or even popularized it. No, its the DOB 196x-197x crowd you can thank for popularizing video games. Furthermore it is my generation of "gamers" that are making the games you love to play today. I assure the developers of MOG's are not spreadsheet junkies. No, they are the "gamers" that came before you... and yet still game on.
Not some soccer mom and MS engineer who play cause they don't want to cook dinner or talk to thier disfunctional families. They are not cool because they play wow and nothing else, they are the parents who make fun guilds boring by having a hissy when something not "family friendly" is said in guild chat, and to top it off they bring thier 8 and 9 yo's into the game and expect that the guild let them raid when they can't grasp even a small part of the gameplay...
Yes, the best guilds are all 20 something college drop outs living mom's basement? Yeah, I know those types. I've seen you "kids" in chat talking about exams they have to take but stay up till 6am camping their favorite spawn. Yeah, I know you "kids"
I guess I've never experienced that. The best guilds I've been in have been filled with 30 somethings and the occasional 20 something that isn't full of himself. Sorry, buck-o, you wouldn't fit the mold. Oh sure, there may be other more leet guilds than the ones I've been in getting to the end-game or raiding the next level a month or two before us, but then again, I do have a family as you noted (ie: life). So, if being first is what gaming is all about for you, then so be it. I'm not going to knock you. For us original gamers it tends to focus more on fun. Yeah, I'm probably sounding like an old fart right about now, aren't I? Fun. Sheesh, where do I get off thinking I should be gaming for fun and not so I can so "I WIN"
not to mention bringing the maturity level down.
Instant classic, kettle!
they know nothing of anything other than maybe EQ1. Lame players, mediocre at best. The good ones will rise to the top and move over if it turns out to be the great game I'm expecting.
Right, thats all we know. EQ and maybe DAoC. Or perhaps even AO or AC. SWG? Cov/h? I'm sure I personally have tried roughly 90% every MOG released in The United States. Oh, here are some you might have forgot to mention that us old farts used to play:
Legends of Future Past Genocide Tradewars Dragon's Gate Islandia Galaxy Federation Legends of Red Dragon Meridian 59 (although I suppose you MAY have played this) etc, etc, etc
Of course, those were all MOG's we old farts used to play long before the internet was as you know it now... back when you were errmm, 5? playing Atari?
I mean come on! Nipples man! Nipples! Everything else is gravey!!! and I'm not your son, jack.
No, the nipples are the gravey. Everything else is the substance, son. Unless of course you are a very young 20 something with a stash of personal cream awaiting the arival of digital nipples.
Rotflmao good stuff 30 something gamer here . I like to play a game at my speed and to make online friends in a game setting I think AoC will be a great game and I dont care if it kills WoW. ive never played WoW and I wont just because I like playing with 20 to 30 somethings and not a bunch of kids unless its call of duty 4 and I can kill them all LoL. any ways just my 2 cents AoC will be great even with a bunch of kids in it or not.
since i think all these AoC vs whatever and WoW vs jinge bells is getting stupid i'll post one of the best sentences Conan said in the movie.
"Gromm!.... i have never prayed to you before, i have no time for it.... no one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad, why we fought, how we died.... No.... All that matters is that two stood against many that's what's important. I hope it pleases you Gromm, so grant me one request, grant me REVENGE!!! And if you do not listen, Gromm, then to hell with you!!"
It is what makes certain "few against many" fights in mmorpg so epic and every time i think of that moment, also one of the few reasons why i always chose a heavy melee class (lol).
So what special scene is your favorite? Or perhaps you like a special line better from the lore?
Like someone said earlier, any new game could be the game that upsets WoW.
When WoW came out no one in their wildest dreams thought that it would be as large as it is now.
Personally, I don't think it will be AoC because of the game going with such amazing graphics; most people I don't think will be able to run it. Graphics like WoW/WAR are much easier to run. Also, personally, I'd rather seem a game running at low settings that looks like WoW than see a game that looks like AoC on low...I am not sure why though
AoC will never upset WoW's position as top dog cuz of, ya the amazing graphics=$$$ for an upgraded comp. but mostly, i believe the mature feeling of AoC, the dark menacing environtments and characters of AoC will keep the subscription numbers lower than wow's. the general public wants lollipops and bright, warm colors and smily faces. AoC is not going to appeal to the masses such as wow has. AoC is rated M with blood and boobs...wow has cute cartoon characters, with no blood splatter.
i'm not saying this is a bad thing, infact i'm glad AoC is being made this way. i can't wait to get my copy.
i'm thinking an all-time high of maybe 2-3, hopefully 4 million subscriptions. for a game that has a dark feel to it and is rated M, i think thats damn good.
#1 Heavy PC requirements = never gonna touch WoW's numbers. Ever. Like, never ever. Hell, half those players can probably barely run THAT game.
#2 Even if they could, 5th grade math and entry level market research says even the bestest game ever made wouldn't kill WoW at this point. 99.9%......thats how much of its playerbase that game has to lose in order to even bat an eye. Blizzard can lose 90% of its playerbase and still have industry leading subscribers numbers.
I won't bother explaining why its not going to lose 99% of its players. I'll just assume we are all intelligent enough to figure that out on our own at this point.
I do hope the game is successful though. I do so love that theme.
I sense a long and drawn out flame-war incoming. *duck*
@Trollstar: Way cool Avatar by the way. Richard Rules! ^_^
Richard does rule, doesn't he? Like many others have said, AOC's higher system requirements will keep the sub numbers a bit lower, along with the more mature content/IP. This isn't a bad thing btw, game doesn't need to kill WOW to be successful.
But 2 or 3 million? Naw, more like 500k tops
Who the hell are you, and why should I care? Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
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There's not a chance in hell of this game doing anywhere near as well as WoW has done, or take it's current numbers. As most have said, it's the M rating and system requirements. This game would be lucky to eclipse 200K subs, mostly within the first month, before it falls out with some going back to WoW, and the rest going back to the drawing board waiting for the next MMO.
Bottom line, this game is gonna be Vanguard 2.0.
Plus it's going to be another game that's missing a ton of crap on launch, even with it's new launch date. They're probably gonna push it back to fall or winter.
Warhammer might do well, but crossing the 1 million subs line will really depend on the month before and after game launch. That's where MMO's take off or sink these days, people are impatient and intolerant in the MMO community, and will gladly cancel sub. But, it's WoW with newer graphics for the most part.
Another big part of the reason it's really hard for new MMO's to keep staying power is because a lot of people have already played one or more MMO's and they really get super annoyed having to essentially start over again in a new game, so they really have to believe the game is great, and they have to enjoy it.
Me personally, I think whichever game has a decent open beta period before launch will be the one to watch. When they put out an open beta before people have to commit money, that says "we're confident in our game, so confident you can try it before putting down cash and committing to it".
AoC wont be a WoW killer, it will have a nice amount of people and populated servers based on current interest and Funcoms predictions.
I also read today that COD4 sold 1.5 million copies for Xbox360 alone where as Crysis only sold 87k both just in november. There is a console market and its massive, will be interesting to see how AoC does when the 360 version comes out prob around christmas.
^ Who knows whats going to happen, but personally think not going to be a WoW killer.
Wow Killer, no. A very large portion of WoWs player base is in Asia and AOC will probably not appeal to the Asian market.
Plus.
We dont need a bunch of WoW killer games coming out. What we need is a bunch of quality niche style games coming out again so the genre can once again be diverse.
Well I heared the same about lotro and war and... I think every game gots its own stuff and its own game system.
For wat I saw on this one I dont think the WoW community will move to this one, its too different gameplaying system. Btw, comparing games its never a good thing, just question of tastes, and the most important thing: WoW got 3 years after it, while this game is not released, this means it not got all his potential but got (or it must... got) better technology... so dont think you can compare them, its like comparing UO vs WoW
Whoa son, you've bought into the hype far too much and you are setting yourself up for a terrible letdown. AOC might be a good game and fun to play, but it won't be the 2nd coming as your post seems to indicate.
You misjudge the MMO world, WOW's player base isn't all children, in fact, a huge portion are 30 somethings that will never even consider playing AOC or WAR.
umm no, I have read everything I can about this game and from what it looks like it's shaping up to be wicked. and those 30-40 somthings can stay in wow for all I care. The people I want to game with are 20 somethings who have been playing games since they were 5 on thier ataris and know what gaming is about. Not some soccer mom and MS engineer who play cause they don't want to cook dinner or talk to thier disfunctional families.
They are not cool because they play wow and nothing else, they are the parents who make fun guilds boring by having a hissy when something not "family friendly" is said in guild chat, and to top it off they bring thier 8 and 9 yo's into the game and expect that the guild let them raid when they can't grasp even a small part of the gameplay... not to mention bringing the maturity level down.
they know nothing of anything other than maybe EQ1. Lame players, mediocre at best. The good ones will rise to the top and move over if it turns out to be the great game I'm expecting.
I know for a fact that wow has lost a huge portion of it's hardcore gamers. Not hardcore WOW gamers but 20 somethings who've been gaming from the womb. It's that large base of ex-wow players who will grasp onto this game and make it a contender. If the content and gameplay are as good as the graphics look, and if the twich combat works then people will notice. I mean, LOTRO got a good chunck of ex wow players but that game really doesn't scream cool... it's a little too fruity. AOC screams cool. Being the first mature MMORPG is a huge thing as well. We'll see content we have never even heard of in an MMO.
I mean come on! Nipples man! Nipples! Everything else is gravey!!!
and I'm not your son, jack.
I will play AoC when I get my beta key or later. I've been a Conan fan since 1978. Yeah, I'm 40+, but have dabbled in other M.M.O's frequently. I won't delete my avatars on WOW after all the time investment I've put into them. Nostalgia will over take alot of former WOW players from time to time and bring them back for, say just one subscription game card?
No, the WOW killer I am waiting for is one that Blizzard knows could do it in, and thats a Starcraft M.M.O. Luckily for Blizzard, they own that property, therefore they can afford to wait till everyone upgrades their computers to a level where they can do it justice. Everyone meaning the majority of subscribers caught up in the defacto arms race between gamers.
Blizzard will milk WOW for all its worth, giving them ample time to come up with the Starcraft redux of WOW, refueling their coffers. This is a business that has refused to sell out and is in it for the long haul.
Warhammer people have Dawn of War, which boasts already more races to play than the upcoming Starcraft 2 RTS game. I have all the Dawn of War's and now await their new release next month. Warhammer 40k M.M.O. might beat Starcraft M.M.O. to market, and that may qualify as a potential WOW killer. But if Warhammer online goes kaput, Blizzard wont be alarmed at the Warhammer 40k M.M.O.
Right now, there is brand loyalty. All the lessons learned from WOW will go into the Starcraft M.M.O.
I hope change is good, and that Blizzard will take notice and begin their efforts for a sci-fi MMO outlet for us all sooner rather then later. Or you 20 somethings will soon be my age before you get to play Starcraft the M.M.O.!!!
This may sound odd but I don't want AoC to be the "wow killer". I want it to have a healthy following with it's own interesting and different community. I have come across quite a few "unpleasant" individuals in my time of WoW and I honestly hope they stick with their game just so that I can leave them behind and only remember them in the once a year nightmares
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
Yes I find this topic and content to be irrelevant to everything in this world but wants to give you a cookie anyway.
Well, if amount of raid content and gear grind is any indication of what MMO is the best, AoC will give WoW a run for it's money.
There is not the slightest chance AoC or any other game for the mater will kill WoW. WoW has been running for 3 yrs, has had countless tv ads, mouth to mouth promotion etc and most importantly it has taken over the biggest MMO market in the world: Asia. That by itself may be irrelevant to most of us EU/NA people but lets face it, taking the typical asian grindfest lover and turning him into a fan of your game while still appealing to american and european playerbase is something unique so far. And i dont see any of the upcoming games repeating it
MMORPGs don't 'kill' other MMORPGs, developers do.
EQ didn't kill UO, WoW didn't kill EQ or even EQ2. UO, EQ and EQ2 are still around and WoW will be around long after the next generation of MMORPGs and for as long as Blizzard wants to support it.
It would be interesting if rather than stealing ex-WoW players if Age of Conan brings in NEW players to the MMORPG genre. Thanks to it being released on the Xbox that is certainly a possibility. There will certainly be many former WoW players in AoC, but there may also be people who never played a MMORPG who could end up given them a try with AoC.
The atari 2600 came out in 1975. Do the math, the crowd you speak of playing ataris when they were 5 will include a large portion of 30 somethings as well. Learn2Math, Forget2Assume, and LearnNotToBeElitist.
Secondly, how many freaking speculation threads on what game will overthrow WoW can one site produce? Everytime people say a game will overthrow WoW it never exceeds 400k subscribers, and most fall on their face.
Edit: Im not saying AoC will not do well, in fact, I hope it does. We need more diversity in online games.
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
The atari 2600 came out in 1975. Do the math, the crowd you speak of playing ataris when they were 5 will include a large portion of 30 somethings as well. Learn2Math, Forget2Assume, and LearnNotToBeElitist.
Secondly, how many freaking speculation threads on what game will overthrow WoW can one site produce? Everytime people say a game will overthrow WoW it never exceeds 400k subscribers, and most fall on their face.
Edit: Im not saying AoC will not do well, in fact, I hope it does. We need more diversity in online games.
I had an Atari 800 XL (and still have) brought for me in 1984
WoW has already giving blizzard back every penny they spent on it and a surplus by an insane amount, WoW was never really thought to be this successful not even by blizzard they weren't prepared for this amount of players, luckily for blizzard it raised not in a blink of an eye but "human possible" speed for them to get new servers online fast (lol).
Anyways WoW has giving blizzard the budget for thier next mmo, which has the highest budget of all mmorpgs ever and with the current revenue WoW gives blizzard, they will never need to rush it one bit at all, hell WoW has given Blizzard back so much in the past few years it has been around that they won't have ANY budget problems with their current and secret MMO project.
However i have to tell you that even at the time that next one comes, i believe Blizzard won't be taking the system reqs high, they never did it with thier other games and as they have said many times before they want as many people to enjoy their games as possible, they do not want to force people getting new system rigs to play their games, which not only is a great market feat but also a great way to "bond" with the gamers who play their games, makes it feel they place their effort in fun and entertainment before headache system rigs that might look eyecandy tastic but that's also where blizzard just gives that eye candy in form of the best Cinematics.
Now to topic....
Don't think AoC will kill WoW at all but i look forward to AoC, i love the lore and can't wait to try it out, i just hope it's polished atleast a little and doesn't come out on the wrong leg, would be a shame to see one of many people's, including my own, favorite old fantasy settings being ruined =/ I don't want to see SoC turn out as shit, it doesn't deserve to end like a shit mmorpg so funcom better work their arse off to make it worth having the title "Age of Conan".
I just want to be the silly shapeshifter who tells Conan the wind spirits/gods are above Conan's gods who dwell in the mountains..... hell i want the emote; "Gromm!!! i never prayed to you......." sadly can't remember the important last part, better watch the timeless movie once again, amazing that such an old movie, which you saw as a young boy, still to this day is such a great movie, will the game be the same? I hope so. =S
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Son, I was wtfpwning my friends with curveball cannonballs in "Combat" on my Atari before you were even born. Sorry, it isn't the 20 somethings that invented "gaming" or even popularized it. No, its the DOB 196x-197x crowd you can thank for popularizing video games. Furthermore it is my generation of "gamers" that are making the games you love to play today. I assure the developers of MOG's are not spreadsheet junkies. No, they are the "gamers" that came before you... and yet still game on.
Yes, the best guilds are all 20 something college drop outs living mom's basement? Yeah, I know those types. I've seen you "kids" in chat talking about exams they have to take but stay up till 6am camping their favorite spawn. Yeah, I know you "kids"
I guess I've never experienced that. The best guilds I've been in have been filled with 30 somethings and the occasional 20 something that isn't full of himself. Sorry, buck-o, you wouldn't fit the mold. Oh sure, there may be other more leet guilds than the ones I've been in getting to the end-game or raiding the next level a month or two before us, but then again, I do have a family as you noted (ie: life). So, if being first is what gaming is all about for you, then so be it. I'm not going to knock you. For us original gamers it tends to focus more on fun. Yeah, I'm probably sounding like an old fart right about now, aren't I? Fun. Sheesh, where do I get off thinking I should be gaming for fun and not so I can so "I WIN"
Instant classic, kettle!
Right, thats all we know. EQ and maybe DAoC. Or perhaps even AO or AC. SWG? Cov/h? I'm sure I personally have tried roughly 90% every MOG released in The United States. Oh, here are some you might have forgot to mention that us old farts used to play:
Legends of Future Past
Genocide
Tradewars
Dragon's Gate
Islandia
Galaxy
Federation
Legends of Red Dragon
Meridian 59 (although I suppose you MAY have played this)
etc, etc, etc
Of course, those were all MOG's we old farts used to play long before the internet was as you know it now... back when you were errmm, 5? playing Atari?
No, the nipples are the gravey. Everything else is the substance, son. Unless of course you are a very young 20 something with a stash of personal cream awaiting the arival of digital nipples.
Rotflmao good stuff 30 something gamer here . I like to play a game at my speed and to make online friends in a game setting I think AoC will be a great game and I dont care if it kills WoW. ive never played WoW and I wont just because I like playing with 20 to 30 somethings and not a bunch of kids unless its call of duty 4 and I can kill them all LoL. any ways just my 2 cents AoC will be great even with a bunch of kids in it or not.
by overthrowing if you mean bringing new people, like WoW having 10m and AoC having 12m. i surely hope so (though i dont think so)
if you mean like WoW having 2m and AoC having 8m subs. i hope it doesnt overthrow.
I need more vespene gas.
Condoms are going to be Lolipop killer !!!!!!!!!!
those two products are designed to target different market
as much WOW and AOC
so stop trolling, or if you are that stupid then get some help
since i think all these AoC vs whatever and WoW vs jinge bells is getting stupid i'll post one of the best sentences Conan said in the movie.
"Gromm!.... i have never prayed to you before, i have no time for it.... no one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad, why we fought, how we died.... No.... All that matters is that two stood against many that's what's important. I hope it pleases you Gromm, so grant me one request, grant me REVENGE!!! And if you do not listen, Gromm, then to hell with you!!"
It is what makes certain "few against many" fights in mmorpg so epic and every time i think of that moment, also one of the few reasons why i always chose a heavy melee class (lol).
So what special scene is your favorite? Or perhaps you like a special line better from the lore?
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Like someone said earlier, any new game could be the game that upsets WoW.
When WoW came out no one in their wildest dreams thought that it would be as large as it is now.
Personally, I don't think it will be AoC because of the game going with such amazing graphics; most people I don't think will be able to run it. Graphics like WoW/WAR are much easier to run. Also, personally, I'd rather seem a game running at low settings that looks like WoW than see a game that looks like AoC on low...I am not sure why though
AoC will never upset WoW's position as top dog cuz of, ya the amazing graphics=$$$ for an upgraded comp. but mostly, i believe the mature feeling of AoC, the dark menacing environtments and characters of AoC will keep the subscription numbers lower than wow's. the general public wants lollipops and bright, warm colors and smily faces. AoC is not going to appeal to the masses such as wow has. AoC is rated M with blood and boobs...wow has cute cartoon characters, with no blood splatter.
i'm not saying this is a bad thing, infact i'm glad AoC is being made this way. i can't wait to get my copy.
i'm thinking an all-time high of maybe 2-3, hopefully 4 million subscriptions. for a game that has a dark feel to it and is rated M, i think thats damn good.
I'm just going to say two things.
#1 Heavy PC requirements = never gonna touch WoW's numbers. Ever. Like, never ever. Hell, half those players can probably barely run THAT game.
#2 Even if they could, 5th grade math and entry level market research says even the bestest game ever made wouldn't kill WoW at this point. 99.9%......thats how much of its playerbase that game has to lose in order to even bat an eye. Blizzard can lose 90% of its playerbase and still have industry leading subscribers numbers.
I won't bother explaining why its not going to lose 99% of its players. I'll just assume we are all intelligent enough to figure that out on our own at this point.
I do hope the game is successful though. I do so love that theme.
But 2 or 3 million? Naw, more like 500k tops
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
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