Just out of curiosity... what are the specs for the game? i plan on buying a new computer soon and i want to be able to play newer games that have high end graphics. nothing against games with simple graphics, graphics don't alter my opinion on how good the game is as a whole i just want to get into some games that are more powerful than what i am currently playing.
what kind of computer would i need for the recommended higher quality?
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dual core processor at least. 2 gigs of RAM. nvidia 7800 or higher. ATI x1900 or higher. That should run the new graphic engine fairly well (just turn shadows to low and you're good).
For the classic engine, well even an old computer with an nvidia 5800 or ati 9800 can run that fine.
heh one reason i love the game is that most of the ppl playing are a mature age.. why? because most little kids cant be bothered to learn the game and are to use to simplistic games like world of warcraft.
When it comes to game play its just what i like:
-if you die you lose everything you had at the time
-its a PvP game with PvE thrown in (not a PvE game trying to add PvP)
-it requires a lot of skill and knowledge to be good at it
-there is so much to do in the game that you can get confused as to what you want to do next
and thats just a few things.. i could go on all day, best MMO out there atm
Because I feel like I am part of a world as opposed to just being in a glorified playground where you can have no bearing on what happens, because at the end of the day everything will be the same, and you just run a long and kill the big dragon.
When I first started it took me a few moments to realise I was not selling my minerals to npc traders who generate some cash for me, I was selling to real players, and I became part of the EVE world, it stopped feeling like grinding quickly tbh. I have become more and more into the game, hauling my goods around space and stockpiling to try to force prices up if I can etc. I may not be a combat pilot yet, but so what? It is actualy refreshing not to be doing what I always to and fighting, for now anyway. And when I want to pvp? I will train the skills and do it, without needing to create a new character for it.
EVE is a constantly living and organic world, I just started playing last month but I can play for a few years and I will maybe be in a position to influence the entire game world, be it as an arms dealer or combat pilot, and the game is constantly changing, have read a little and I saw stuff about massive alliances that collapsed, and new ones take their place. Unlike any other MMORPG, I mean sure WoW pvp at first was fun, run in and clear a town, but hell it is meant nothing.
It not being a static MMO is again a key point, not just in the game world but in the development, new graphics and plenty of scope for new additions to the gameplay (planets, maybe one day player towns on planets? we are getting avatars and stations soon also), mean this more so than other games can go on for years more.
Would actualy call it more of a project than anything else because it still has so much further to go, and it is unlike any other MMORPG out there now.
I dont. I find Eve as boring as watching paint dry, with game ideas that suck to high heaven. Oh, and ignore the fanbois, I guess you will get alot of them in this thread. Atleast I did the last time I tried to discuss this game here at mmorpg.com.
I feel I need to clarify the cries of "It's a PvP game! It's a PvP game! Only PvP!" Well, yes, PvP is a very enjoyable aspect of EVE, but where do you think those assets you put at risk come from? *All* substantial ways to introduce ISK and resources into the system come from PvE. Somewhere down that line, someone mined and built that ship you lost and someone ran missions to generate tradeable ISK, which continues to dwindle through taxes, etc. So to say it is a "Pure PvP" game is complete rubbish because somewhere down the line, someone PvE'd for whatever assets you seized in PvP. That said, as much as people like to talk down that aspect of the game, I've found large groups of miners having quite a bit of fun in the game. Deep space mining in 0.0 sec space is quite a bit more nail-biting than being a pirate because you *have* to run. Running missions can be quite enjoyable too if you're into that. There are also a lot of people who enjoy mining in high-sec space even - I don't know why, but I also didn't see the fun in grinding mobs for money in every other game and when you take away the veil of "combat," you will find you are doing the same exact thing mining as you are grinding mobs in any other game. . . the visual pacifist's PvE, perhaps?
TBH the only real clear moan i have about EVE, is the fact that you can not train an alt on the same account at the same time you train your main.
THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE...
An alt is a whole separate toon, a whole new entity. Why then can i not train him as such.
Ive mentioned this in game and the responce i recieved, was one of understanding. a comment that comes to mind was " its because if you could train two at the same time then who would pay for two accounts."
Why even have the ability to make three separate toons on one account then.
This feature alone will make me quit playing again, and turn me off from coming back to play in the future.
Im already on the fence about unsubing as it stands, the more negative i feel about this and a few minor things about the game the closer i get to leaving.
( Yes im in the boring in between faze of training, Ya know the 5 day to train a skill type of situation and you got like 5 of them in a row, just to get a training book to do it all over again so i can fly a ship...twice ive quit at this point and am feeling it again. Im bored out of my mind.)
-Earning iskies for ____________ is sadly most efficiently done by grinding idiot NPCs which takes up too much time, and detracts from enjoyable time spent amidst other players, pirating or being ganked, and plotting revenge.
-Local makes it impossible to sneak up on people. Even the ones that really deserve it. :sad panda:
Reasons to love EVE:
-In theory, with enough help, I could patiently discover most every single supplier of say, technetium, and wage war against those moon owners with intention of cornering the market thereby drawing up a small percent of future Tech 2 profits for my insidious corporate operations. I could form allegiances with pirates, and other aggressive corps with similar intentions. I could eventually have influence over a ten percent of the known technetium reserves throughout the cluster, and then be treacherously backstabbed by my lieutenants. That is awesome.
-Apparently I can get an interceptor to go 20km/s. I've never done this but weeeeeeeee! You can fly around very small moons at that speed.
-I can take other people's stuff. This is the fastest way to get street cred.
well, tbh they don't. The game fills a niche that some people really like, some think is pretty good with a few 'problems' and most people don't want at all.
For me, the single server persistent world is it. It offers the player an opportunity to affect the game world.
I would have dumped EVE a long time ago if it wasn't for the skill system. The skill system allows me to be busy with RL and still have skills training so that I can jump into EVE when the time is right for me. If i didn't gain anything when i was logged off, i would have quit as it wouldn't have been worth my time.
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I've been playing Eve for 2 months now, so I've given it a proper try. However I've decided I really don't think it's for me. Here's why not:
1) 5000 solar systems. Yes, but they all look the same.
2) Travel is really dull, and there's a lot of travel.
3) Mining is really, really dull.
4) Courier missions are mind-numbingly dull.
5) PvE combat is dull. Movement is usually optional other than to get in range. Just lock enemy, fire weapons and hope your shield holds out. You normally don't even see your enemy other than as a red cross in your target list and a white lock-on marker in space.
6) Economy is dull. If you want to trade stuff, why not do it in real life for real money?
It seems that the only chance of getting some real fun is to join a corp and go PvP in low security space. But most corps aren't interested unless you've got at least 4 months worth of skills, and they still want you to spend most of your time making your own money to pay for the ships you'll lose by mining or running missions (dull - see above).
Last Saturday I settled in to rat in EVE until I needed to suddenly drive an hour both ways. While I was driving at night I realized that i was essentially ratting.
"Driving in a dark atmosphere where all you see are Red dots in the background." I said to myself, hell I'm ratting in EVE as I drive at night .
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TBH the only real clear moan i have about EVE, is the fact that you can not train an alt on the same account at the same time you train your main. THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE... An alt is a whole separate toon, a whole new entity. Why then can i not train him as such.
You do realize EVE is no different than any other MMORPG you play right? In the typical MMORPG, you gain experience "train" only while playing the game on a single character. (Rested Experience not withstanding)
To train another character, you need to log out of the first, log in to the second and being leveling (training) him. Meanwhile your first character isn't gaining any experience, levels, training.
EVE is only different in that you train while off line, but with the same limitations. You could log on 3 times a day, and train each character for 8 hours each, which is no different than if you logged in to 3 different characters and played them for 8 hours a day. (except, of course, you actually have to play them to gain levels, while in EVE it happens automatically.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Just thought of another good analogy: A sculptor might look at an uncut piece of very fine stone and become very excited with ideas about what he might create with it. Most people would just look at it and say "what's the big deal? It's just a boring rock. I don't get it."
Shouldn't a game be fun to begin with?
i dont know about you but i had fun with within 20 minutes of starting but then i was smart and got into a corp.
i mean honestly i would still be playing eve today were it not for the fact that i dont feel like paying for it anymore and killing myself getting isk for my net time card
It seems that the only chance of getting some real fun is to join a corp and go PvP in low security space. But most corps aren't interested unless you've got at least 4 months worth of skills, and they still want you to spend most of your time making your own money to pay for the ships you'll lose by mining or running missions (dull - see above). Time to go.
Well, that is the root of your problem. Sounds like you've spent last two months in NPC corps and never really got to be part of EVE.
I watch the recruiting channel regularly and there's tons of them taking new players right off the bat, and no, they aren't all new with no substance. Just need to look around a bit.
Yes, you will have to learn to make money in EVE. Some folks mine, (I don't), some learn to play the market (very profitable), ratting in 0.0 can easily make you 100 million ISK in a short time period, and you can even find was to make money by doing almost nothing. (I make almost 200m ISK a month doing exactly that)
Almost all MMORPG's require you to earn your keep somehow (if their economy is any good), EVE's no better or worse than others.
Take a chance and find yourself a decent corp before you bow out, might change your whole perspective on the game.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It seems that the only chance of getting some real fun is to join a corp and go PvP in low security space. But most corps aren't interested unless you've got at least 4 months worth of skills, and they still want you to spend most of your time making your own money to pay for the ships you'll lose by mining or running missions (dull - see above). Time to go.
Well, that is the root of your problem. Sounds like you've spent last two months in NPC corps and never really got to be part of EVE.
I watch the recruiting channel regularly and there's tons of them taking new players right off the bat, and no, they aren't all new with no substance. Just need to look around a bit.
Yes, you will have to learn to make money in EVE. Some folks mine, (I don't), some learn to play the market (very profitable), ratting in 0.0 can easily make you 100 million ISK in a short time period, and you can even find was to make money by doing almost nothing. (I make almost 200m ISK a month doing exactly that)
Almost all MMORPG's require you to earn your keep somehow (if their economy is any good), EVE's no better or worse than others.
Take a chance and find yourself a decent corp before you bow out, might change your whole perspective on the game.
lol makes me laugh but i new a guy who made 2bil a week just selling blueprint copies for cap ship parts and almost every weapon and mod type in the game. i hated him so much cuz he had only been playing for like 6 months but his brother who had been playing the game from day 1 gave them all to him when the brother quit.
myself i was a trader i made a good 200mil a week*on a good week twice that* just shipping modules to 0.0 and i ad fun doin it cuz it forced me to look at what sold high and what was bought low.
example- in one arera of 0.0 i found that shield boost amplifiers were either not there or sold for like 10x there average cost so i just massed hauled hundreds of em them sprinkled them throughout the market. then on the way back id drag back megacite or other types then process and sell them in jita. if you are a trader i suggest you get friends then do this and you will get rich quick
I personally love Eve, even more so due to its core skill system, Now thats innovation! no other MMO has even come close to a skill system like Eve which allows ALL players to keep up and catch up! Reguardless of amount of time played
Example:
In Eve-Online over time i know for sure i will have the skills to pilot any ship in game, no matter how long someone else has been playing i know i will get there!
In ANY other MMO that will never happen unless i spend hours on end running daily raids and thats assuming i have the time and the means ingame via guild to be part of those high end raids;
In Eve-Online i can ALWAYS group and either PvE or PvP with friends reguardless how long they have been playing without penalty;
In ANY other MMO that will not happen, if i have been playing for X amount of time and i have reached level cap and my friend JUST made his level 1 character he will NOT be able to hang and raid with me!
..So i can continue but im sure most get my point by which i tend to favor Eve-Online due to its unique and innovate skill system!
In Eve-Online over time i know for sure i will have the skills to pilot any ship in game, no matter how long someone else has been playing i know i will get there! In ANY other MMO that will never happen unless i spend hours on end running daily raids and thats assuming i have the time and the means ingame via guild to be part of those high end raids;
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
Originally posted by sabutai22
In Eve-Online i can ALWAYS group and either PvE or PvP with friends reguardless how long they have been playing without penalty; In ANY other MMO that will not happen, if i have been playing for X amount of time and i have reached level cap and my friend JUST made his level 1 character he will NOT be able to hang and raid with me!
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
Blackbird / Celestis / Arbitrator. Few days train and you're very helpful to a group. I distinctly remember jamming two 3 year old players in BSs during my first few weeks in EUni.
I'm sure there's games that are much better than EVE at making new players useful, but EVE is still much better than most.
In Eve-Online over time i know for sure i will have the skills to pilot any ship in game, no matter how long someone else has been playing i know i will get there! In ANY other MMO that will never happen unless i spend hours on end running daily raids and thats assuming i have the time and the means ingame via guild to be part of those high end raids;
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
Originally posted by sabutai22
In Eve-Online i can ALWAYS group and either PvE or PvP with friends reguardless how long they have been playing without penalty; In ANY other MMO that will not happen, if i have been playing for X amount of time and i have reached level cap and my friend JUST made his level 1 character he will NOT be able to hang and raid with me!
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
I'm sorry but a new player in a frigate can be very useful to a gang in pvp. Sure you won't be putting out the dps of older players in damage dealing ships but you are useful and needed. To say that someone would be as useful as a level 5 with a group of 60s in another mmo is a complete lie. If you are trying to say a new player connot contribute is 'talking rubbish' as you put it.
Just like your Planetside comparison a new player won't have as much armor or be firing the biggest guns but a new player can tackle or as Rayalist said in the above post a new player can quickly train into a ship such as a blackbird and jam older players preventing them from locking on to your gangmates therefore contributing in quite a lot.
Depends on what you want from a game. Some like forest-nl like wow,eq etc and think that no risk pvp is hardcore pvp .. others are interested in a no-risk pve games where everywhere you`d go there is the option to toggle pvp on or off, others like to grind their way thru the game to get instant gratification. EvE isnt like that. What gets me in EvE is its pvp nature. Nothing more beautiful than to see your opponents wrecks after a succesfull engagement.
Huh, that is interesting. I do competitive Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and risk actual broken limbs/passing out from chokes and I think all the computer "hardcore" PvPers are a softcore joke. Risking pretend assets, oh noes, help me please!
I guess its all in the eye of the beholder.
Seriously there is no "risk". The reason EvE PvP is good is because there is meaning and consequence to such things. This hardcore stuff is a joke and frankly it detracts from what actually makes EvE good.
What makes Eve good is that when you kill someone it has an effect not some stupid graveyard resurection zerg. What makes it better than most games in this regard is that the players can actually make things happen because the mechanics actually have real affects.
It doesn't matter how "hardcore" your opponent is, if you bankrupt them have had a real affect. That is why EvE world PvP is the only real world PvP. RvR is fine for what is does. But WoW or EQ2 world PvP is a complete joke compared to Eve.
Do you know how many EQ2 PvP players think they are the hardest of the hardcore? Most of them. But that games PvP is a joke not because they are wusses and don't realize, but because the mechanics don't do crap for the whole point of PvPing in the world.
Its not about hardcore its about sane and well designed consequences. Eve is actually less hardcore than it used to be, but its world PvP mechanics still work just as well. Because the designers are smart enough to realize that losing skill points did jack didly poop compared to economic attribtion.
It has nothing to do with hardcore and everything to do with smart design.
So basicly since when did computer games started to be compared with RL? But if we are to play by your judgement lets assume the folowing situation "A freighter pilot is passing thru low sec with his merry freighter in wich he transports goods valueing half of his wallet fortune, for wich he spent lets say a month of gameplay". Now in this situation you want to tell me that the freighter pilot isnt assuming any risks? That, if he gets his freighter sploded from under his ass he will just say "Meh its just pixels in an internet spaceship game". If your answer is yes, pls hop in a freighter and pay me a visit so i can see it with my own eyes.
a smart frieghter pilot will have friends backing him up otherwise he doesnt enter low sec. either that or will stick to his alliances territory
In Eve-Online over time i know for sure i will have the skills to pilot any ship in game, no matter how long someone else has been playing i know i will get there! In ANY other MMO that will never happen unless i spend hours on end running daily raids and thats assuming i have the time and the means ingame via guild to be part of those high end raids;
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
Originally posted by sabutai22
In Eve-Online i can ALWAYS group and either PvE or PvP with friends reguardless how long they have been playing without penalty; In ANY other MMO that will not happen, if i have been playing for X amount of time and i have reached level cap and my friend JUST made his level 1 character he will NOT be able to hang and raid with me!
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
I'm sorry but a new player in a frigate can be very useful to a gang in pvp. Sure you won't be putting out the dps of older players in damage dealing ships but you are useful and needed. To say that someone would be as useful as a level 5 with a group of 60s in another mmo is a complete lie. If you are trying to say a new player connot contribute is 'talking rubbish' as you put it.
Just like your Planetside comparison a new player won't have as much armor or be firing the biggest guns but a new player can tackle or as Rayalist said in the above post a new player can quickly train into a ship such as a blackbird and jam older players preventing them from locking on to your gangmates therefore contributing in quite a lot.
apparently this dude has never een teh devistation of a friaget rush. iv seen frig squads wipe out battleships and even caps when used smart
BOYVIRGO666 it was never about the freighter pilot`s tatctics but to give an example to the karate dude that said in EvE there was no risk. Its called attention span and it is used mostly when you reply to long ass posts
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That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Just out of curiosity... what are the specs for the game? i plan on buying a new computer soon and i want to be able to play newer games that have high end graphics. nothing against games with simple graphics, graphics don't alter my opinion on how good the game is as a whole i just want to get into some games that are more powerful than what i am currently playing.
what kind of computer would i need for the recommended higher quality?
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dual core processor at least. 2 gigs of RAM. nvidia 7800 or higher. ATI x1900 or higher. That should run the new graphic engine fairly well (just turn shadows to low and you're good).
For the classic engine, well even an old computer with an nvidia 5800 or ati 9800 can run that fine.
heh one reason i love the game is that most of the ppl playing are a mature age.. why? because most little kids cant be bothered to learn the game and are to use to simplistic games like world of warcraft.
When it comes to game play its just what i like:
-if you die you lose everything you had at the time
-its a PvP game with PvE thrown in (not a PvE game trying to add PvP)
-it requires a lot of skill and knowledge to be good at it
-there is so much to do in the game that you can get confused as to what you want to do next
and thats just a few things.. i could go on all day, best MMO out there atm
Because I feel like I am part of a world as opposed to just being in a glorified playground where you can have no bearing on what happens, because at the end of the day everything will be the same, and you just run a long and kill the big dragon.
When I first started it took me a few moments to realise I was not selling my minerals to npc traders who generate some cash for me, I was selling to real players, and I became part of the EVE world, it stopped feeling like grinding quickly tbh. I have become more and more into the game, hauling my goods around space and stockpiling to try to force prices up if I can etc. I may not be a combat pilot yet, but so what? It is actualy refreshing not to be doing what I always to and fighting, for now anyway. And when I want to pvp? I will train the skills and do it, without needing to create a new character for it.
EVE is a constantly living and organic world, I just started playing last month but I can play for a few years and I will maybe be in a position to influence the entire game world, be it as an arms dealer or combat pilot, and the game is constantly changing, have read a little and I saw stuff about massive alliances that collapsed, and new ones take their place. Unlike any other MMORPG, I mean sure WoW pvp at first was fun, run in and clear a town, but hell it is meant nothing.
It not being a static MMO is again a key point, not just in the game world but in the development, new graphics and plenty of scope for new additions to the gameplay (planets, maybe one day player towns on planets? we are getting avatars and stations soon also), mean this more so than other games can go on for years more.
Would actualy call it more of a project than anything else because it still has so much further to go, and it is unlike any other MMORPG out there now.
I dont. I find Eve as boring as watching paint dry, with game ideas that suck to high heaven. Oh, and ignore the fanbois, I guess you will get alot of them in this thread. Atleast I did the last time I tried to discuss this game here at mmorpg.com.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
I feel I need to clarify the cries of "It's a PvP game! It's a PvP game! Only PvP!" Well, yes, PvP is a very enjoyable aspect of EVE, but where do you think those assets you put at risk come from? *All* substantial ways to introduce ISK and resources into the system come from PvE. Somewhere down that line, someone mined and built that ship you lost and someone ran missions to generate tradeable ISK, which continues to dwindle through taxes, etc. So to say it is a "Pure PvP" game is complete rubbish because somewhere down the line, someone PvE'd for whatever assets you seized in PvP. That said, as much as people like to talk down that aspect of the game, I've found large groups of miners having quite a bit of fun in the game. Deep space mining in 0.0 sec space is quite a bit more nail-biting than being a pirate because you *have* to run. Running missions can be quite enjoyable too if you're into that. There are also a lot of people who enjoy mining in high-sec space even - I don't know why, but I also didn't see the fun in grinding mobs for money in every other game and when you take away the veil of "combat," you will find you are doing the same exact thing mining as you are grinding mobs in any other game. . . the visual pacifist's PvE, perhaps?
TBH the only real clear moan i have about EVE, is the fact that you can not train an alt on the same account at the same time you train your main.
THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE...
An alt is a whole separate toon, a whole new entity. Why then can i not train him as such.
Ive mentioned this in game and the responce i recieved, was one of understanding. a comment that comes to mind was " its because if you could train two at the same time then who would pay for two accounts."
Why even have the ability to make three separate toons on one account then.
This feature alone will make me quit playing again, and turn me off from coming back to play in the future.
Im already on the fence about unsubing as it stands, the more negative i feel about this and a few minor things about the game the closer i get to leaving.
( Yes im in the boring in between faze of training, Ya know the 5 day to train a skill type of situation and you got like 5 of them in a row, just to get a training book to do it all over again so i can fly a ship...twice ive quit at this point and am feeling it again. Im bored out of my mind.)
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Reason to be disillusioned with EVE:
-Earning iskies for ____________ is sadly most efficiently done by grinding idiot NPCs which takes up too much time, and detracts from enjoyable time spent amidst other players, pirating or being ganked, and plotting revenge.
-Local makes it impossible to sneak up on people. Even the ones that really deserve it. :sad panda:
Reasons to love EVE:
-In theory, with enough help, I could patiently discover most every single supplier of say, technetium, and wage war against those moon owners with intention of cornering the market thereby drawing up a small percent of future Tech 2 profits for my insidious corporate operations. I could form allegiances with pirates, and other aggressive corps with similar intentions. I could eventually have influence over a ten percent of the known technetium reserves throughout the cluster, and then be treacherously backstabbed by my lieutenants. That is awesome.
-Apparently I can get an interceptor to go 20km/s. I've never done this but weeeeeeeee! You can fly around very small moons at that speed.
-I can take other people's stuff. This is the fastest way to get street cred.
Why does everybody like EVE so much?
well, tbh they don't. The game fills a niche that some people really like, some think is pretty good with a few 'problems' and most people don't want at all.
For me, the single server persistent world is it. It offers the player an opportunity to affect the game world.
Cryomatrix
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I've been playing Eve for 2 months now, so I've given it a proper try. However I've decided I really don't think it's for me. Here's why not:
1) 5000 solar systems. Yes, but they all look the same.
2) Travel is really dull, and there's a lot of travel.
3) Mining is really, really dull.
4) Courier missions are mind-numbingly dull.
5) PvE combat is dull. Movement is usually optional other than to get in range. Just lock enemy, fire weapons and hope your shield holds out. You normally don't even see your enemy other than as a red cross in your target list and a white lock-on marker in space.
6) Economy is dull. If you want to trade stuff, why not do it in real life for real money?
It seems that the only chance of getting some real fun is to join a corp and go PvP in low security space. But most corps aren't interested unless you've got at least 4 months worth of skills, and they still want you to spend most of your time making your own money to pay for the ships you'll lose by mining or running missions (dull - see above).
Time to go.
Last Saturday I settled in to rat in EVE until I needed to suddenly drive an hour both ways. While I was driving at night I realized that i was essentially ratting.
"Driving in a dark atmosphere where all you see are Red dots in the background." I said to myself, hell I'm ratting in EVE as I drive at night
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Cryomatrix
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
I might have actually liked EVE if I hadn't been spoiled by Earth and Beyond. EVE 2 might be a winner.
You do realize EVE is no different than any other MMORPG you play right? In the typical MMORPG, you gain experience "train" only while playing the game on a single character. (Rested Experience not withstanding)
To train another character, you need to log out of the first, log in to the second and being leveling (training) him. Meanwhile your first character isn't gaining any experience, levels, training.
EVE is only different in that you train while off line, but with the same limitations. You could log on 3 times a day, and train each character for 8 hours each, which is no different than if you logged in to 3 different characters and played them for 8 hours a day. (except, of course, you actually have to play them to gain levels, while in EVE it happens automatically.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Shouldn't a game be fun to begin with?
i dont know about you but i had fun with within 20 minutes of starting but then i was smart and got into a corp.i mean honestly i would still be playing eve today were it not for the fact that i dont feel like paying for it anymore and killing myself getting isk for my net time card
genius inside insanity
Well, that is the root of your problem. Sounds like you've spent last two months in NPC corps and never really got to be part of EVE.
I watch the recruiting channel regularly and there's tons of them taking new players right off the bat, and no, they aren't all new with no substance. Just need to look around a bit.
Yes, you will have to learn to make money in EVE. Some folks mine, (I don't), some learn to play the market (very profitable), ratting in 0.0 can easily make you 100 million ISK in a short time period, and you can even find was to make money by doing almost nothing. (I make almost 200m ISK a month doing exactly that)
Almost all MMORPG's require you to earn your keep somehow (if their economy is any good), EVE's no better or worse than others.
Take a chance and find yourself a decent corp before you bow out, might change your whole perspective on the game.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Well, that is the root of your problem. Sounds like you've spent last two months in NPC corps and never really got to be part of EVE.
I watch the recruiting channel regularly and there's tons of them taking new players right off the bat, and no, they aren't all new with no substance. Just need to look around a bit.
Yes, you will have to learn to make money in EVE. Some folks mine, (I don't), some learn to play the market (very profitable), ratting in 0.0 can easily make you 100 million ISK in a short time period, and you can even find was to make money by doing almost nothing. (I make almost 200m ISK a month doing exactly that)
Almost all MMORPG's require you to earn your keep somehow (if their economy is any good), EVE's no better or worse than others.
Take a chance and find yourself a decent corp before you bow out, might change your whole perspective on the game.
lol makes me laugh but i new a guy who made 2bil a week just selling blueprint copies for cap ship parts and almost every weapon and mod type in the game. i hated him so much cuz he had only been playing for like 6 months but his brother who had been playing the game from day 1 gave them all to him when the brother quit.myself i was a trader i made a good 200mil a week*on a good week twice that* just shipping modules to 0.0 and i ad fun doin it cuz it forced me to look at what sold high and what was bought low.
example- in one arera of 0.0 i found that shield boost amplifiers were either not there or sold for like 10x there average cost so i just massed hauled hundreds of em them sprinkled them throughout the market. then on the way back id drag back megacite or other types then process and sell them in jita. if you are a trader i suggest you get friends then do this and you will get rich quick
genius inside insanity
I personally love Eve, even more so due to its core skill system, Now thats innovation! no other MMO has even come close to a skill system like Eve which allows ALL players to keep up and catch up! Reguardless of amount of time played
Example:
In Eve-Online over time i know for sure i will have the skills to pilot any ship in game, no matter how long someone else has been playing i know i will get there!
In ANY other MMO that will never happen unless i spend hours on end running daily raids and thats assuming i have the time and the means ingame via guild to be part of those high end raids;
In Eve-Online i can ALWAYS group and either PvE or PvP with friends reguardless how long they have been playing without penalty;
In ANY other MMO that will not happen, if i have been playing for X amount of time and i have reached level cap and my friend JUST made his level 1 character he will NOT be able to hang and raid with me!
..So i can continue but im sure most get my point by which i tend to favor Eve-Online due to its unique and innovate skill system!
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
Blackbird / Celestis / Arbitrator. Few days train and you're very helpful to a group. I distinctly remember jamming two 3 year old players in BSs during my first few weeks in EUni.
I'm sure there's games that are much better than EVE at making new players useful, but EVE is still much better than most.
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
I'm sorry but a new player in a frigate can be very useful to a gang in pvp. Sure you won't be putting out the dps of older players in damage dealing ships but you are useful and needed. To say that someone would be as useful as a level 5 with a group of 60s in another mmo is a complete lie. If you are trying to say a new player connot contribute is 'talking rubbish' as you put it.
Just like your Planetside comparison a new player won't have as much armor or be firing the biggest guns but a new player can tackle or as Rayalist said in the above post a new player can quickly train into a ship such as a blackbird and jam older players preventing them from locking on to your gangmates therefore contributing in quite a lot.
Huh, that is interesting. I do competitive Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and risk actual broken limbs/passing out from chokes and I think all the computer "hardcore" PvPers are a softcore joke. Risking pretend assets, oh noes, help me please!
I guess its all in the eye of the beholder.
Seriously there is no "risk". The reason EvE PvP is good is because there is meaning and consequence to such things. This hardcore stuff is a joke and frankly it detracts from what actually makes EvE good.
What makes Eve good is that when you kill someone it has an effect not some stupid graveyard resurection zerg. What makes it better than most games in this regard is that the players can actually make things happen because the mechanics actually have real affects.
It doesn't matter how "hardcore" your opponent is, if you bankrupt them have had a real affect. That is why EvE world PvP is the only real world PvP. RvR is fine for what is does. But WoW or EQ2 world PvP is a complete joke compared to Eve.
Do you know how many EQ2 PvP players think they are the hardest of the hardcore? Most of them. But that games PvP is a joke not because they are wusses and don't realize, but because the mechanics don't do crap for the whole point of PvPing in the world.
Its not about hardcore its about sane and well designed consequences. Eve is actually less hardcore than it used to be, but its world PvP mechanics still work just as well. Because the designers are smart enough to realize that losing skill points did jack didly poop compared to economic attribtion.
It has nothing to do with hardcore and everything to do with smart design.
So basicly since when did computer games started to be compared with RL? But if we are to play by your judgement lets assume the folowing situation "A freighter pilot is passing thru low sec with his merry freighter in wich he transports goods valueing half of his wallet fortune, for wich he spent lets say a month of gameplay". Now in this situation you want to tell me that the freighter pilot isnt assuming any risks? That, if he gets his freighter sploded from under his ass he will just say "Meh its just pixels in an internet spaceship game". If your answer is yes, pls hop in a freighter and pay me a visit so i can see it with my own eyes.
a smart frieghter pilot will have friends backing him up otherwise he doesnt enter low sec. either that or will stick to his alliances territory
genius inside insanity
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
I'm sorry but a new player in a frigate can be very useful to a gang in pvp. Sure you won't be putting out the dps of older players in damage dealing ships but you are useful and needed. To say that someone would be as useful as a level 5 with a group of 60s in another mmo is a complete lie. If you are trying to say a new player connot contribute is 'talking rubbish' as you put it.
Just like your Planetside comparison a new player won't have as much armor or be firing the biggest guns but a new player can tackle or as Rayalist said in the above post a new player can quickly train into a ship such as a blackbird and jam older players preventing them from locking on to your gangmates therefore contributing in quite a lot.
apparently this dude has never een teh devistation of a friaget rush. iv seen frig squads wipe out battleships and even caps when used smart
genius inside insanity
BOYVIRGO666 it was never about the freighter pilot`s tatctics but to give an example to the karate dude that said in EvE there was no risk. Its called attention span and it is used mostly when you reply to long ass posts