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Why dont they just let it die already...don't bother with Vanguard.
sirgeekalot
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So, i just built a new rig, 8800GTS 512, vista64 yata yata.. anyway, i have a station pass for a month so i figured i would give vanguard one last chance.. ( i canceled my preorder during beta, then went back afterwards out of sheer boredom ) I have always wanted this game to succeed just because of its roots but have been sorely disappointed. It would seem many others are as well as they are down to 4 servers at this point.
After installing, tweaking and reading all the "tech forums" Its clear that this game has several fatal flaws that spell its doom. All of them technical. The game world is nice, the gameplay is fun, but its about as well put together as the Alien/human baby ripley had to kill in the last alien movie. Oh and before you start flaming, yes i have all the latest drivers etc. Save the inane " its your rig" comments.
I mean come on. My rig can run Crysis in DX10 with all High settings at 1920x1200 without stuttering but i cant run this at even half those settings with any sort of decent flow. Unless SOE pulls a rabbit out of its hat and had a super secret DX 10 patch of doom, its over.
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I think you've answered your own question. This game won't die because it's on the station pass. Station pass acts as life support to many SOE games out now IMHO.
Lmao you talk complete rubbish, my son can max out the entire game on a 8600GTS and it runs smooth as you like, ivve even sat there and watched him in a full raid on contested mobs in APW with a second guild next to them fighting mobs within same view and he has no probs atall, still on max just maybe the odd jutter., so really try troll little harder next time.
What is all high settings? I was under the impression that 8800GT was the better card of those two and It seemed unlikely that Crysis would run even on 8800GT without some stuttering in that high resolution. Up until now that is.
And considering I run VG in Window mode, although in less resolution somewhere around 1500x900. It doesn't normally stutters for me using ATI1950 512MB.
Just doesn't add up.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
SOE is like a curse, literally... im never trying any of their future games if any come out... no matter what...
Other than EQ2, every single game with SOE written on it has failed
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it's been said a million times. YES vg does stutter no matter what graphics card you have. However it only does that for a short time when caching new textures. Then it is smooth till you head to a new area. If that isn't something you can deal with then yes by all means move on. However for that fantastic graphics and great combat system it's really not a deal breaker in my book it's a minor hit mostly when heading into town or into a new dungeon for the first time. This is a technical issue and it is just the way it is... I'm sure it will continue to improve over time but I suspect it's pretty deeply rooted in the engine.
Once the caches have been updated it is smooth as any game. In fact better then many. I'm comparing it to eq2 for example and I'd say it is hands down better graphically in every way.
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Ethion
I resubbed 2 days ago i got a pretty crap system play it on one less then max settings and it runs very smooth .. cept when the caching hits ya but thats like 10-15 secs and then its back to smooth.
i honestly believe most of these detractors of VG have really not tried the game recently but are going off there limited play time back in the Open Beta period.
Oh well, its my fricking money and i will play the games i want, you angry lil people can go on blathering about how you hate a game... but sad to break it to you guys... the ones playing Vanguard right now, WANT TO PLAY IT !
Considering, Games for Windows in thier march issue invited the top computer gaming companys to build thier absolute best machines they could possible build right now . These computers are worth anywhere from 5,000 to 12,000 dallors and only 2 of them could run Crysis in DX 10 at 1920x 1200 at over 30 FPS and that was just over 34 and 31 FPS. The rest of them could hardly run it , low of 9 FPSand the other 5 where between 16 and 18 FPS
Everyone of those computers is 10 times the computer you or anyone else has , so maybe rewrite your post and at least try and make it believable this time
Funny last two ratings on Vanguard were followed by a forum post trashing the game. Both arguments were weak, the first claiming the graphics in WOW were better and now this one. I don't understand folks trying to convince me of what I like and dislike. I wish these clowns would go away and let people decide for themselves.
Considering, Games for Windows in thier march issue invited the top computer gaming companys to build thier absolute best machines they could possible build right now . These computers are worth anywhere from 5,000 to 12,000 dallors and only 2 of them could run Crysis in DX 10 at 1920x 1200 at over 30 FPS and that was just over 34 and 31 FPS. The rest of them could hardly run it , low of 9 FPSand the other 5 where between 16 and 18 FPS
Everyone of those computers is 10 times the computer you or anyone else has , so maybe rewrite your post and at least try and make it believable this time
Actually you should rethink your post and maybe actually play Crysis, you'd be surprised at how smooth it is at frame rates as low as 15. Here are my specs (my comp is a year or more old)....Asus Striker Extreme nForce 680i mobo
Intel C2Q6600
Asus EN8800GTX 768Mb
Creative X-Fi Elite Pro
Corsair Dominator 4Gb
WD RaptorX HDD
Corsair HX620W Modular PSU
Acer 26" LCD 5ms
With this system i can play Crysis at 1920x1200, the frame rates are not high but the game plays really really smooth which is more than can be said for Vanguard. I have used both XP and Vista with Vanguard and it's the same on both, stuttering and lots of hitching. I can even play Lotro completely maxed out in DX10 and it runs far and away better then Vanguard. It has been well known since the game launched that Vanguard didn't play well on high end machines.
What is the difference in the 1 year old(?) 8800GTX and the 4 months old 8800GTS?
And also confirming that 15 fps actually is smooth, thus at the same time recognizing that the stuttering and hitching have to come from other things. Things that are mentioned in this thread, when the cache is updated when entering a new populated area/town.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Considering, Games for Windows in thier march issue invited the top computer gaming companys to build thier absolute best machines they could possible build right now . These computers are worth anywhere from 5,000 to 12,000 dallors and only 2 of them could run Crysis in DX 10 at 1920x 1200 at over 30 FPS and that was just over 34 and 31 FPS. The rest of them could hardly run it , low of 9 FPSand the other 5 where between 16 and 18 FPS
Everyone of those computers is 10 times the computer you or anyone else has , so maybe rewrite your post and at least try and make it believable this time
Actually you should rethink your post and maybe actually play Crysis, you'd be surprised at how smooth it is at frame rates as low as 15. Here are my specs (my comp is a year or more old)....Asus Striker Extreme nForce 680i mobo
Intel C2Q6600
Asus EN8800GTX 768Mb
Creative X-Fi Elite Pro
Corsair Dominator 4Gb
WD RaptorX HDD
Corsair HX620W Modular PSU
Acer 26" LCD 5ms
With this system i can play Crysis at 1920x1200, the frame rates are not high but the game plays really really smooth which is more than can be said for Vanguard. I have used both XP and Vista with Vanguard and it's the same on both, stuttering and lots of hitching. I can even play Lotro completely maxed out in DX10 and it runs far and away better then Vanguard. It has been well known since the game launched that Vanguard didn't play well on high end machines.
Look harg ive been playing vanguard every setting maxed at 1920x1200 sence day 1. I dont have a problem running It what so ever .Your not playing crysis every setting maxed in DX 10 with that rig and only a complete fool would even think to compare a mmo to a single player games performance thats about the dumbest thing ive ever heard
Ya i tryed LoTR rings every setting maxed to it did run nice, didnt make up for the butt ugly graphic's every where i looked .Ya they looked ok from a distance than when you got close to anything you can see why the game runs so good . The original Deer hunter game from 10 years ago had the same trees as LoTR . sprites everywhere you look. Plus the first time i made my character jump it was like been in the middle of a gay pride parade that was enough for me lol
It is an income producing game... not much, but it is still money. There is always a sucker that will sign up!!
The best way to let it die... is not to talk about it!!!
The best way to not read troll is to block them. So, sorry I think your opinions is most likely in the end to be read by those that you are not adressing. I have to assume that you post for people to read otherwise it would be no need to post. It would also be similar pointless to post for your internal club of gamehaters will be the only one to read and are not even considering playing the game.
So, yeah, thanks for calling me (and alot of others) a sucker because you obviously don't like same things as I do.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
You can't compare MMO's to a single player game. I runs it fine with my machine, sure theres some shuttering in town but that's the way it is. They will fix it in time. Anyways vista sucks.
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The stuttering problme has a long way to go before being fixed. A dev even recently said so on the forums.
forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
Ikik wrote..
<.........snip.......>There is alot of work going on to fix hitching though and from what I've seen it looks alot better. The hitching improvments are still being worked on & tested though and won't be in GU4.
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Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
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As for rigs, my rig can run most things at max settings including Crysis but when I run things like SWG or VG, they run like shit. SWG caps at 30 fps regardless of your card's max capacity and stutters in cities like Theed (even with no other players around), Call of Duty 4 can run at 90 fps, even Tabula Rasa runs at 70+ fps.
I went from XP SP3 to Vista 32 to Vista 64, it was $25 from my MS account so couldn't pass up. It runs my games smoother and higher fps than XP did and with 6GB of RAM and 8800GTS in SLI VG is smooth as silk.
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
Alot, majority, all huh? You dont have to be lucky to experience what Ethion says, you'd be lucky if you don't.
The stuttering problme has a long way to go before being fixed. A dev even recently said so on the forums.
Nope.
As you quote he said they are putting alot of work into fixing it to make it better. He does not, as you quote, say it have a long way to go. Also, as you quote, he does not say that they are talking about any other kinds of hitching to as what Ethion states.
So, still, what Ethion said is still true. And is that kind of hitching they are working to remove even more.
forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
Ikik wrote..
<.........snip.......>There is alot of work going on to fix hitching though and from what I've seen it looks alot better. The hitching improvments are still being worked on & tested though and won't be in GU4.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I for one totally agree with the OP
This game is
Alot, majority, all huh? You dont have to be lucky to experience what Ethion says, you'd be lucky if you don't.
The stuttering problme has a long way to go before being fixed. A dev even recently said so on the forums.
Nope.
As you quote he said they are putting alot of work into fixing it to make it better. He does not, as you quote, say it have a long way to go. Also, as you quote, he does not say that they are talking about any other kinds of hitching to as what Ethion states.
So, still, what Ethion said is still true. And is that kind of hitching they are working to remove even more.
forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
Ikik wrote..
<.........snip.......>There is alot of work going on to fix hitching though and from what I've seen it looks alot better. The hitching improvments are still being worked on & tested though and won't be in GU4.
Whatever you say Orphes, of course YOU are right. Vanguard is Fixed! You've said so,so it MUST be true for EVERYONE.
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao-Tze
Alot, majority, all huh? You dont have to be lucky to experience what Ethion says, you'd be lucky if you don't.
The stuttering problme has a long way to go before being fixed. A dev even recently said so on the forums.
Nope.
As you quote he said they are putting alot of work into fixing it to make it better. He does not, as you quote, say it have a long way to go. Also, as you quote, he does not say that they are talking about any other kinds of hitching to as what Ethion states.
So, still, what Ethion said is still true. And is that kind of hitching they are working to remove even more.
forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
Ikik wrote..
<.........snip.......>There is alot of work going on to fix hitching though and from what I've seen it looks alot better. The hitching improvments are still being worked on & tested though and won't be in GU4.
Whatever you say Orphes, of course YOU are right. Vanguard is Fixed! You've said so,so it MUST be true for EVERYONE.
Kense, lets do a test. log into a character in kahl and start outside and run in through one of the areas then run down the docks all the way on both sides. Now repeat this. Are you still hitching? do you hitch constantly? How long are the pauses? also what is your fps and what are your hardware specs?
This test does not hitch for me at all after the initial hitching. I can run around crafting or doing whatnot with like 30-40fps. This is NOT the same as it was prior to GU3. Before GU3 it constantly hitched, crashed, and ate up memory.
More then this lets have a poll of people doing this sequence. Does it only hitch initially or does it persist constantly as you run around? I'm also running pretty much untweaked other then to have maxed out my textures, and set max quality in the graphics.
Just an interesting contrast I can't max out eq2 without having crashing. I run on high quality which is 100% stable but some zones are aweful for fps. Enchanted lands for example when I am running to the spires I'm getting 10-15fps. (love that they finally added an fps counter). I used to have huge issues with freezing or hitching in Neriak but since i upgraded to 4gb that problem has stopped same with qeynos no problems in either of these areas. I get 25-35fps in those areas. Most areas I'm getting around 30-45fps although in combat I'll drop down to 15-20 and again in some areas I just have really crappy performance.
If I were to just contrast EQ2 vs VG performance on my computer which I think I can fairly do since I'm actually playing more eq2 now days then VG, I'd say the performance is preferable on VG. Not that it is perfect I certainly would prefer no hitching but I've grown use to it and since for me it clears up it's become a non issue and more of an irritation. Where as in eq2 the graphics quality is less and I am pissed I can't run it on max and to have fps problems on my near top end computer is beyond rediculous...
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Ethion
The highlighted statements simply are not true for a lot of people. If it is true for YOU then count yourself lucky.Alot, majority, all huh? You dont have to be lucky to experience what Ethion says, you'd be lucky if you don't.
The stuttering problme has a long way to go before being fixed. A dev even recently said so on the forums.
Nope.
As you quote he said they are putting alot of work into fixing it to make it better. He does not, as you quote, say it have a long way to go. Also, as you quote, he does not say that they are talking about any other kinds of hitching to as what Ethion states.
So, still, what Ethion said is still true. And is that kind of hitching they are working to remove even more.
forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
Ikik wrote..
<.........snip.......>There is alot of work going on to fix hitching though and from what I've seen it looks alot better. The hitching improvments are still being worked on & tested though and won't be in GU4.
Whatever you say Orphes, of course YOU are right. Vanguard is Fixed! You've said so,so it MUST be true for EVERYONE.
Kense, lets do a test. log into a character in kahl and start outside and run in through one of the areas then run down the docks all the way on both sides. Now repeat this. Are you still hitching? do you hitch constantly? How long are the pauses? also what is your fps and what are your hardware specs?
Yes it still hitches. In khal, In Three Rivers, In NT etc FPS in these places is in constant fluctuation from 0 to 20. The pauses look/fell like freeze frame..
3.2 dual core - 2gm ram - Geforce 7950 512ram - XP - SB Live
This test does not hitch for me at all after the initial hitching. I can run around crafting or doing whatnot with like 30-40fps. This is NOT the same as it was prior to GU3. Before GU3 it constantly hitched, crashed, and ate up memory.
Tested today. Happens every time.
More then this lets have a poll of people doing this sequence. Does it only hitch initially or does it persist constantly as you run around? I'm also running pretty much untweaked other then to have maxed out my textures, and set max quality in the graphics.
Default Medium settings 1280x1024 res
Just an interesting contrast I can't max out eq2 without having crashing. I run on high quality which is 100% stable but some zones are aweful for fps. Enchanted lands for example when I am running to the spires I'm getting 10-15fps. (love that they finally added an fps counter). I used to have huge issues with freezing or hitching in Neriak but since i upgraded to 4gb that problem has stopped same with qeynos no problems in either of these areas. I get 25-35fps in those areas. Most areas I'm getting around 30-45fps although in combat I'll drop down to 15-20 and again in some areas I just have really crappy performance.
Contrary to what you claim. I can run EQ2 with the same system on High Quality, never crash, nver hitch and my fps are steady around 55fps.
If I were to just contrast EQ2 vs VG performance on my computer which I think I can fairly do since I'm actually playing more eq2 now days then VG, I'd say the performance is preferable on VG. Not that it is perfect I certainly would prefer no hitching but I've grown use to it and since for me it clears up it's become a non issue and more of an irritation. Where as in eq2 the graphics quality is less and I am pissed I can't run it on max and to have fps problems on my near top end computer is beyond rediculous...
No question EQ2 runs much better for me. Heck, LotRO runs Great on High settings and I get better FPS than in EQ2.
Ive have tried all the VG tweaks, Ive tried the Ramdisk. I bought a professional defragger(ultimatedefrag) Ive put VG on a HD all by itself.
And Please dont tell me its just something particular to my system.I am not the only one still seeing hitching issues. Just go read the Tech/Performance forums. The Hitching does not go away after a while while in these areas for EVERYONE.
I havent even mentioned the other issues VG has.
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao-Tze
Vanguard is like a family member that is an asshole, even though you didn't like they ar on life support, you don't want them to die, because I am pretty sure there were people that wanted vanguard to succeed be that me, some guy in his parents basement or the devs... even if it is SOE
I hate SOE, Brad, and Vanguard, I can't wait till SOE changes enough things to piss off the last of the whole 35k players, 0.3% of WoW's btw, and this turd goes dead!
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
I will never ever play Vanguard, It never even entered my mind after the bad release, Its just a fact that it would never take off after it was so screwed up from the first day.
I will nver play it because of an empty world, and I don't mess with MMO's with no one in it or hard to find groups. I built a top end computer but Vanguard will never see my money. Sure I could play it on my rig but what is the point if I'm all alone !
To play this game you must really need your MMO fix and can't go without an MMO.
I think someone should go to Jail over all the people that lost money with this game.