WoW is WoW. It might have the most subs of any MMO on the market, but it's not greatest thing since the wheel.
People have a right to express thier opinions, and if they want to bash a game based on what experiences they had, thats fine, so long as they can provide evidence. Same goes for defending a game. The OP gave 3 points, but made no comparison/example as to which games and why.
PvE in WoW is easy to follow and only requires a pulse to accomplish. Everything is pretty straight forward and requires little thought. Games like old EQ required a bit more thinking and a bit more caution. They were more akin to PnP games. They didn't appeal to the masses that WoW appeals to. WoW is more geared to the people who want to jump in and start swimming right away, not having to worry about learning how to swim to begin with. There are a lot of people who like to have a game that makes them use thier brain more than that. I am not saying WoW is horrible game. It's just kinda shallow and never gets any deeper.
PvP in WoW, like in any game is realetive to the player. I myself never really liked PvP, but I can see where some of the people are coming from. In games like DAoC it was all about tactics, numbers and control. In UO it was all about survival and loss, and from what I have been told, Eve is pretty much a mix of the 2. In WoW its really just a multiplayer deathmatch skinned over a raid encounter type reward structure. Its mainly based off gear with a lttle emphasis on speed and awareness. It might work for some people, but a lot of people into PvP need more. They need to break a sweat in the heat of battle, they need that boost of adreneline, the feeling of 'Holy ___, That was intense!'. They need to know they out skilled the player, not out mashed/geared their opponent.
As for the community, the bigger the city, the more A-holes you will encounter. WoW is like NYC where a smaller game will be more like some small suburban town. Sure there will be morons and idiots, you just won't notice them all that often in the suburbs. EQ2 has pretty much a more mature community, though it still has its share of bad apples. WoW is geared more to the masses, so there will be more vocal bunch of immature people (and a ton of chuck norris jokes...). Like buying cracker jacks; you don't really like the nuts but love the popcorn, so you buy more than one box to get more popcorn. Sure you get more of what you like, but you also just increased the amount of nuts.
I still play WoW on and off because its easy to jump back into and catching up doesn't really require too much effort. That's what WoW is great at. It's a game that no matter how much time you take off from or can commit to it, you never get left behind. When I want a challenge, I'll try another game.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
When will some of you learn that numbers dont always mean best. I saw someone a while back use the mcdonalds analogy and it really fits lol. Just because millions are served, doesnt mean its the best hamburger. Just because WoW has millions of subscribers doesnt mean its the best. Just because Blizzard made it doesnt mean its best. The most popular? Yea. Best? Matter of opinion.
Frankly I dont want to see any other games get as large as WoW. WIth large groups comes the WoW community which is the biggest sesspool of idiots in the world. Sure there are some nice people that play, but for ever 1 nice person you find you will run into 10 others that are complete idiots.
Another one,
Since numbers don't make WoW the best, tell us what is better than WoW and why else you are just rambling.
A lot of people say WoW is easy, Wow sucks, wow is this and WoW is that, a baby can say that, you need to say why it is so else you appear to be a troll.
What make it worse is that these people have played the game to the end and then come and bash it, if you truly didnt like it then surely you would have stopped before the end ?
I have played variuos MMOs, VG, D&D, EQ2 for example and to me they are more or less the same, WoW is more polished and has more people running around and i beleive that this is what makes it successful.
So in future bash Wow all you like but please for your sake quailfy your bashing else consider yourselve a troll!
WoW pre70 and WoW endgame is 2 different games. If you truly want to know a game you need to spend time at its endgame. WoW if fun to level, and most people playing it do mostly that, but me, and alot of other people found the endgame lacking. The raid system they got going and the total gear dependency at endgame sucks the life out of the raiders atleast. Imagine running every raid some 100x times for each tier step to equip a whole raid guild. If you find that stuff fun, well, I got a wall recently painted I need watched.
Xenogias argument is sound. Numbers dont always mean best. If they do, shit is good, cause a million flies cant be wrong eh?? Also since WoW is so damn big, the community is hurt by it. I have never met so many assholes in my entire mmo career as I had in WoW. Yes, there are assholes everywhere but they are so much more visible in WoW. In any other mmo, the community aint that freaking big and assholes like that quickly end on peoples ignore list. My ignorelist in WoW was full and still I met new ones which I couldnt put on ignore every freaking day.
Everyone has the right to speak out their opinions. WoW is a nice game I like it so much So i never feel tired of playing wow even many people are bashing it
WoW is WoW. It might have the most subs of any MMO on the market, but it's not greatest thing since the wheel. People have a right to express thier opinions, and if they want to bash a game based on what experiences they had, thats fine, so long as they can provide evidence. Same goes for defending a game. The OP gave 3 points, but made no comparison/example as to which games and why. PvE in WoW is easy to follow and only requires a pulse to accomplish. Everything is pretty straight forward and requires little thought. Games like old EQ required a bit more thinking and a bit more caution. They were more akin to PnP games. They didn't appeal to the masses that WoW appeals to. WoW is more geared to the people who want to jump in and start swimming right away, not having to worry about learning how to swim to begin with. There are a lot of people who like to have a game that makes them use thier brain more than that. I am not saying WoW is horrible game. It's just kinda shallow and never gets any deeper. PvP in WoW, like in any game is realetive to the player. I myself never really liked PvP, but I can see where some of the people are coming from. In games like DAoC it was all about tactics, numbers and control. In UO it was all about survival and loss, and from what I have been told, Eve is pretty much a mix of the 2. In WoW its really just a multiplayer deathmatch skinned over a raid encounter type reward structure. Its mainly based off gear with a lttle emphasis on speed and awareness. It might work for some people, but a lot of people into PvP need more. They need to break a sweat in the heat of battle, they need that boost of adreneline, the feeling of 'Holy ___, That was intense!'. They need to know they out skilled the player, not out mashed/geared their opponent. As for the community, the bigger the city, the more A-holes you will encounter. WoW is like NYC where a smaller game will be more like some small suburban town. Sure there will be morons and idiots, you just won't notice them all that often in the suburbs. EQ2 has pretty much a more mature community, though it still has its share of bad apples. WoW is geared more to the masses, so there will be more vocal bunch of immature people (and a ton of chuck norris jokes...). Like buying cracker jacks; you don't really like the nuts but love the popcorn, so you buy more than one box to get more popcorn. Sure you get more of what you like, but you also just increased the amount of nuts. I still play WoW on and off because its easy to jump back into and catching up doesn't really require too much effort. That's what WoW is great at. It's a game that no matter how much time you take off from or can commit to it, you never get left behind. When I want a challenge, I'll try another game.
Very well thought out post, the only thing I disagree with is your last statement. Wow is a challenging game in its own way otherwise people would not pay to play it. It might not be the most challenging game around but it does have its own challenges. So you should have just said when I want more of a challenge.
In the end its quite simple. If you like the game play it, if you don't then move along, there is no need to bash those that choose to continue playing the game. It just makes you look petty.
I, am, no, expert. Meaning don't flame me... but I did play WoW from January of 2005 to January of 2008. I can say, I met many amazing people, had many awesome moments, and wasted many hours of my life joyously. What caused me to quit...
1) Community - Wow. That is all I have to say... I remember when the game began, I met about 10 people, and we stayed together, experiencing it all for the first time, we hit 50 together.. then we hit 60 together, etc etc. Well, seven people quitting due to real life time constraints, and three transfers later, I'm alone. Of course, I met more people but none were as "tight" of a group as they were with me. Now-a-days the community is filled with eight year olds, just learning to type and spell correctly, well spell in-correctly but comprehensibly either way, and who enjoy cursing. Because all the "big kids" do it. Flaming is an incessant annoyance in trade chat, and cliques are formed. This is obviously the Abercrombie and Fitch of MMO... MTV will adopt a WoW concept soon, I guarantee it. The community has that mentality. I couldn't handle it. I had to leave due to it. As an "old fart" of an MMO player at this point, I want a helpful community.
2) Endgame - I don't have five hours a night to speak to no one except my ub3r l337 cool guild on vent. Yeah, whatever. I just don't have the time, OR desire. Blizzard made an incredible game, I have done endgame raids. I did them before TBC, and I did them afterwards. It's the same thing, with a "different strategy" each time. Wow, healers stand HERE, not THERE, and no no don't do that, you'll pull aggro... Nineteen bosses later, NO! STAND HERE! Drab. I gave up after I did Gruul's, I just lost hope in it.
3) PvP - Always was my favorite. Too bad the honor grind is mind numbingly dull, with, once again, that amazing community always talking. Talking talking talking, blaming and BITCHING. No one works together. It's revolting. WoW was not like this in the beginning, oh no it was not. I have no problem with the gear, I say put some required strategy, not, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3! Omgz CRITZZZ! Gear is not how a game should be based.
Now, I do have one thing to say, Blizzard has fashioned a beautiful, amazing, and integrative gaming world. Azeroth is absolutely incredible, the way the land is laid out, the way the horizon looks, the weather effects, and the colors all add in to that one final touch of incredibleness... Unfortunately, for me, the game has nothing more to offer.
As I will say I have enjoyed my time in WoW, I do believe it is falling through the cracks and may not be the best MMO on the market today. Mostly this is due the idiotic community, and emphasis on gear and raiding.
This is just my recount of my experiences throughout the game, don't flame me, I am not a troll.
I, am, no, expert. Meaning don't flame me... but I did play WoW from January of 2005 to January of 2008. I can say, I met many amazing people, had many awesome moments, and wasted many hours of my life joyously. What caused me to quit...
1) Community - Wow. That is all I have to say... I remember when the game began, I met about 10 people, and we stayed together, experiencing it all for the first time, we hit 50 together.. then we hit 60 together, etc etc. Well, seven people quitting due to real life time constraints, and three transfers later, I'm alone. Of course, I met more people but none were as "tight" of a group as they were with me. Now-a-days the community is filled with eight year olds, just learning to type and spell correctly, well spell in-correctly but comprehensibly either way, and who enjoy cursing. Because all the "big kids" do it. Flaming is an incessant annoyance in trade chat, and cliques are formed. This is obviously the Abercrombie and Fitch of MMO... MTV will adopt a WoW concept soon, I guarantee it. The community has that mentality. I couldn't handle it. I had to leave due to it. As an "old fart" of an MMO player at this point, I want a helpful community.
2) Endgame - I don't have five hours a night to speak to no one except my ub3r l337 cool guild on vent. Yeah, whatever. I just don't have the time, OR desire. Blizzard made an incredible game, I have done endgame raids. I did them before TBC, and I did them afterwards. It's the same thing, with a "different strategy" each time. Wow, healers stand HERE, not THERE, and no no don't do that, you'll pull aggro... Nineteen bosses later, NO! STAND HERE! Drab. I gave up after I did Gruul's, I just lost hope in it.
3) PvP - Always was my favorite. Too bad the honor grind is mind numbingly dull, with, once again, that amazing community always talking. Talking talking talking, blaming and BITCHING. No one works together. It's revolting. WoW was not like this in the beginning, oh no it was not. I have no problem with the gear, I say put some required strategy, not, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3! Omgz CRITZZZ! Gear is not how a game should be based.
Now, I do have one thing to say, Blizzard has fashioned a beautiful, amazing, and integrative gaming world. Azeroth is absolutely incredible, the way the land is laid out, the way the horizon looks, the weather effects, and the colors all add in to that one final touch of incredibleness... Unfortunately, for me, the game has nothing more to offer.
As I will say I have enjoyed my time in WoW, I do believe it is falling through the cracks and may not be the best MMO on the market today. Mostly this is due the idiotic community, and emphasis on gear and raiding.
This is just my recount of my experiences throughout the game, don't flame me, I am not a troll.
Why would anyone flame you, that was a well thought out post with many valid points. We need more people like you on these forums!
Well, tyvm , I just read forums all the time, but never say much. There's always, or so it seems, someone who wants to bash you, even if you do clearly exoress that it is only your opinion and not theirs..
Arrh..come on, it's a lot of fun to bash up Wow, go on, just give it a go, you know you want to, just bash him a little at first, work your way up........Oh man!...you guys are talking about World of Warcraft not the guy who....um never mind, sorry to interrupt....bye!
You guys should shack up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ I'll bash whatever the hell I want... I'm a consumer, it's my right. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against WoW. I just don't like people telling me I can't bash it...lol
But my opinion on WoW is that its a good game but it becomes crap after so long. It doesn't have the same feel to it as it does when you first start it. The classes are in my opinion boring and theres not many to pick from. The graphics are bad, really bad. I think the only thing that is good is the glowing weapons, thats a nice touch. I think the only time i truely enjoyed this game was playing as a night elf hunter, i loved it. But thanks to the WoW community, we we're classed as noobs, children, idiots and sometimes... gay :O. The problem with WoW is the people who play it which is probably why so many who have quit love to bash it. I got to say though, i'll miss standing outside the AH with some naked character asking me for "1g plzzzz" :P
Yes, it has become the "golden commercial standard" in terms of MMO gaming. However, I'm tired of hearing people who chose not to like it bash it in every third thread. 1. WoW PvP is as strategic as any other game on the market right now 2. WoW PvE is as complex and challenging, at the higher levels, as any other game on the market right now 3. There are KIDDIES in every game. There are plenty in WoW, sure, but there are also a lot of more mature players.
Just leave WoW alone. Some people hate it because it's "easy" ... sure it's easy to level to the cap. You can be L70 and suck ... but you know what? I've played forced grouping games w/ endless group grinds to end-game and found at max level there are still a plethora of terrible players. WoW graphics are cartoony, sure, but they are also very well themed. Everything fits. You're free to dislike it, but don't cite "cartoonish graphics" like it's bad. WoW's graphics beat the snot out of a lot of "realistic graphics" games because you end up looking like dolls rather than anything more interesting. Anyway - in conclusion - Love WoW or hate WoW, stop bashing it in every third post you make. Thanks!
Argueing this point is completely a waste of time. The fact im even responding to this is a complete waste of time. No matter what you do or say I will go to bed tonight still believeing WoW blows. Honestly the only reason WoW is so good is because of Blizzards strong financial background with 3 VERY popular games also adding the fact the game is so cookie cutter, if a person was handed this game as their very first mmo it would be an amazeing experience. Someone that plays off and on like you state would enjoy this game. I myself have absolutely no life and play games itleast 6-8 hours or more a day and running the same instance 4 or 5 times for the next 3 months is not somthing I plan on doing. They wernt like most companies out there that developed an MMO but didn't have the finances to make it so commercialized. WoW was a GREAT game right up untill the very end. Theres just nothing to do at endgame except brainlessly grind, grind, grind for better items that next month will be absolete for even 1337'er items. The best MMO ever made was SWG PRE CU / NGE. Yes this point can be argued endlessly and argueing with me is a waste of your time. I loved walking into Cantinas and just talking with people see what kinda loot they got meet people that actaully enjoyed being tailors people that enjoyed being armorsmiths or entertainers. WoW destroyed many games simply because people left their old ones.. There was somthing there otherthen going out and running instanced crap all day long. You could go make a town, you could put up a house and decorate it, form a guild and have a guild hall. NoN - Instanced battles over player owned bases with turrets and NPC that could be added, Destructable bases.. There was so much to do in SWG unlike wow. K im done
Yes, it has become the "golden commercial standard" in terms of MMO gaming. However, I'm tired of hearing people who chose not to like it bash it in every third thread. 1. WoW PvP is as strategic as any other game on the market right now 2. WoW PvE is as complex and challenging, at the higher levels, as any other game on the market right now 3. There are KIDDIES in every game. There are plenty in WoW, sure, but there are also a lot of more mature players.
Just leave WoW alone. Some people hate it because it's "easy" ... sure it's easy to level to the cap. You can be L70 and suck ... but you know what? I've played forced grouping games w/ endless group grinds to end-game and found at max level there are still a plethora of terrible players. WoW graphics are cartoony, sure, but they are also very well themed. Everything fits. You're free to dislike it, but don't cite "cartoonish graphics" like it's bad. WoW's graphics beat the snot out of a lot of "realistic graphics" games because you end up looking like dolls rather than anything more interesting. Anyway - in conclusion - Love WoW or hate WoW, stop bashing it in every third post you make. Thanks!
If you'r lvl 70 and suck, it depends on your armor. Then he/she/it just have to grind for better armor to be back in the game! yay!
The person who puts the most hours ingame wins! yay!
I remember grinding for primal fires for leveling smithing. Some blue flamebane crap that was worth more sharded than on ah. That's it i think, wow has endgame grinding and it keeps ppl playing where no other game i can think of has something to do other than pvp at max level. Then again i moslty play plaync games now so it might be just them. I absolutly love travel powers at lvl 14 in CoH.
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Maybe when people realize that everything in wow is a grindfest: leveling? grind. pvp? grind. raiding? yep, a grind.
The best fact about WoW is that the whole game is a huge grind but its designed to make you think each level of the grind you are on is different.
There isn't really too much difference from getting enough gold for epic flying mount money than getting the points needed for your Arena sets. Same concepts.
"WoW bashes every other game, other people bashes WoW"
Its normal to bash on other things, people bash on whos the best singer, worst singer etc. ( even which bread is better). Another point I'd like to say is " The more people there is, the more drama there is.." , yeah community doesnt mean anything. Having alot of people in the game does in no way make it better. Its popular , I agree with that but for community sake, WoW really lacks on the "nice players" department. WoW bashes other games.. don't make it look like only others bash WoW.
And assuming next either someone will bash me or agree with what im saying.Its always the same. Your just provoking people to bash on the game even more. The term "Invisible Hand" (its real) means that if you leave things alone , things will work out. While this is for economic standards, it can apply to your action. "If you dont say anything , nothing will happen.." this line can also be applied in a good way and in a bad way , meaning if you did not make this thread, chances are people wont be bashing even more. This can be applied to me for posting this or other people..
Yes, it has become the "golden commercial standard" in terms of MMO gaming. However, I'm tired of hearing people who chose not to like it bash it in every third thread. 1. WoW PvP is as strategic as any other game on the market right now 2. WoW PvE is as complex and challenging, at the higher levels, as any other game on the market right now 3. There are KIDDIES in every game. There are plenty in WoW, sure, but there are also a lot of more mature players.
Just leave WoW alone. Some people hate it because it's "easy" ... sure it's easy to level to the cap. You can be L70 and suck ... but you know what? I've played forced grouping games w/ endless group grinds to end-game and found at max level there are still a plethora of terrible players. WoW graphics are cartoony, sure, but they are also very well themed. Everything fits. You're free to dislike it, but don't cite "cartoonish graphics" like it's bad. WoW's graphics beat the snot out of a lot of "realistic graphics" games because you end up looking like dolls rather than anything more interesting. Anyway - in conclusion - Love WoW or hate WoW, stop bashing it in every third post you make. Thanks!
ok first off people bash games cause they want to no need to get all chris crocker on us
second your first statments wrong its strategic if you a 5 year old
third your second statment also wrong only challengeing again if your a 5 year old all you do to win is spam your strongest move
oh and if your thinking to yourself he probaly dosent play or he'd see what the game really is wrong again i do play but just because its the only good mmo out and i love my freinds in it
Warcraft isnt very well themed. Its nicely themed, but its not "very well" themed. Theres lots of content that is at odds with the general fantasy atmosphere of the rest of the game.
What the person above me I think is trying to say - sorry I couldnt follow most of what they were saying - is; its not strategy when you corpse-camp and skill spam. Its not strategy when all your opponents are warlocks or huntards... ok so thats more like strategy, but then again it isnt.
And bashing Warcrack is done for many and various reasons, not everyone who does so does it because they hate it. I bash it occaisionally, and I play it (sporadically). Its not a fun game, its not even really that interesting. Its just addictive. Im not addicted, I gave it up twice, came back, played for a while, now Im kinda meh again. The only reason why I even go back is because I like the people on my server.
Final thought: posting a thread telling people to stop making fun of it, isnt going to make them stop. Youre just giving them a thread to post their hatemail. like that old saying goes: "If you build it they will come." lol
Even though I bash WoW a lot, I have to agree with the OP's list of points.
I just don't like the design choices they've made, like a tiered gear-grind as endgame. And the lack of RP support. Having said that, WoW has the same strategical/tactical/skill depth as pretty much any other MMO I've played. Nonsense like "just spamming your most powerful attack" just shows you either haven't played or mastered the game yourself.
Even though I bash WoW a lot, I have to agree with the OP's list of points. I just don't like the design choices they've made, like a tiered gear-grind as endgame. And the lack of RP support. Having said that, WoW has the same strategical/tactical/skill depth as pretty much any other MMO I've played. Nonsense like "just spamming your most powerful attack" just shows you either haven't played or mastered the game yourself.
Yes, it has become the "golden commercial standard" in terms of MMO gaming. However, I'm tired of hearing people who chose not to like it bash it in every third thread. 1. WoW PvP is as strategic as any other game on the market right now 2. WoW PvE is as complex and challenging, at the higher levels, as any other game on the market right now 3. There are KIDDIES in every game. There are plenty in WoW, sure, but there are also a lot of more mature players.
Just leave WoW alone. Some people hate it because it's "easy" ... sure it's easy to level to the cap. You can be L70 and suck ... but you know what? I've played forced grouping games w/ endless group grinds to end-game and found at max level there are still a plethora of terrible players. WoW graphics are cartoony, sure, but they are also very well themed. Everything fits. You're free to dislike it, but don't cite "cartoonish graphics" like it's bad. WoW's graphics beat the snot out of a lot of "realistic graphics" games because you end up looking like dolls rather than anything more interesting. Anyway - in conclusion - Love WoW or hate WoW, stop bashing it in every third post you make. Thanks!
ok first off people bash games cause they want to no need to get all chris crocker on us
second your first statments wrong its strategic if you a 5 year old
third your second statment also wrong only challengeing again if your a 5 year old all you do to win is spam your strongest move
oh and if your thinking to yourself he probaly dosent play or he'd see what the game really is wrong again i do play but just because its the only good mmo out and i love my freinds in it
If you think that "spamming your strongest move" is going to get you anywhere in PvP, you are in for a shock. Now the easy PvE instances are true to some extent, catering to all the old folks who only have one hour a day to play, but there are heroic instances which can mean instant wipe if you do something wrong.
The arenas are probably the best example of skill in WoW. After a few games you'll be matched to players with similar ratings, and you'll have some extremely fun and close battles, where the only difference between winning and losing is tactics.
Knowing who to attack and when, countering abilities, strafing, fake casting, saving CC abilities for the most important moment - not just using them when they're available, knowledge of enemy cool downs and trinkets, knowledge of other classes abilties and the differences in specs, doing unexpected things to trick your oponents - for example your team suddenly switching to another player simulatenously and back again to confound your oponents.. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Those who say WoW requires no skill or tactics are the ones who get the crap kicked out of them or think that gear is the only variable. Every time someone says this, I know automatically that they do not have a hardcore gamer mentality and are probably bitter at getting owned all the time.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Meh WoW's pvp was quite wretched, especially Arena. In the small 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 matches you really see how gear dependent the game is. Ok there is "some" skill to it, but skill quickly fades to gear. You can say what you want, but I played the game for years and I know what gear does for you in WoW. If you don't believe, go get some old of the boar gear off the AH and wear it during your next 10 matches and let's see how that works out for ya.
I thought WSG was the only really good PvP concept they had, and let's face it WoW didn't invent capture the flag...... the other PvP events had very little strategy. Arena was the worst, like I said, because it all came down to "beat dem up." Ok there was some strat... aka who to kill first, but for the most part that was pretty elementary.
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WoW is WoW. It might have the most subs of any MMO on the market, but it's not greatest thing since the wheel.
People have a right to express thier opinions, and if they want to bash a game based on what experiences they had, thats fine, so long as they can provide evidence. Same goes for defending a game. The OP gave 3 points, but made no comparison/example as to which games and why.
PvE in WoW is easy to follow and only requires a pulse to accomplish. Everything is pretty straight forward and requires little thought. Games like old EQ required a bit more thinking and a bit more caution. They were more akin to PnP games. They didn't appeal to the masses that WoW appeals to. WoW is more geared to the people who want to jump in and start swimming right away, not having to worry about learning how to swim to begin with. There are a lot of people who like to have a game that makes them use thier brain more than that. I am not saying WoW is horrible game. It's just kinda shallow and never gets any deeper.
PvP in WoW, like in any game is realetive to the player. I myself never really liked PvP, but I can see where some of the people are coming from. In games like DAoC it was all about tactics, numbers and control. In UO it was all about survival and loss, and from what I have been told, Eve is pretty much a mix of the 2. In WoW its really just a multiplayer deathmatch skinned over a raid encounter type reward structure. Its mainly based off gear with a lttle emphasis on speed and awareness. It might work for some people, but a lot of people into PvP need more. They need to break a sweat in the heat of battle, they need that boost of adreneline, the feeling of 'Holy ___, That was intense!'. They need to know they out skilled the player, not out mashed/geared their opponent.
As for the community, the bigger the city, the more A-holes you will encounter. WoW is like NYC where a smaller game will be more like some small suburban town. Sure there will be morons and idiots, you just won't notice them all that often in the suburbs. EQ2 has pretty much a more mature community, though it still has its share of bad apples. WoW is geared more to the masses, so there will be more vocal bunch of immature people (and a ton of chuck norris jokes...). Like buying cracker jacks; you don't really like the nuts but love the popcorn, so you buy more than one box to get more popcorn. Sure you get more of what you like, but you also just increased the amount of nuts.
I still play WoW on and off because its easy to jump back into and catching up doesn't really require too much effort. That's what WoW is great at. It's a game that no matter how much time you take off from or can commit to it, you never get left behind. When I want a challenge, I'll try another game.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
But but.. i like bashing wow
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Another one,
Since numbers don't make WoW the best, tell us what is better than WoW and why else you are just rambling.
A lot of people say WoW is easy, Wow sucks, wow is this and WoW is that, a baby can say that, you need to say why it is so else you appear to be a troll.
What make it worse is that these people have played the game to the end and then come and bash it, if you truly didnt like it then surely you would have stopped before the end ?
I have played variuos MMOs, VG, D&D, EQ2 for example and to me they are more or less the same, WoW is more polished and has more people running around and i beleive that this is what makes it successful.
So in future bash Wow all you like but please for your sake quailfy your bashing else consider yourselve a troll!
WoW pre70 and WoW endgame is 2 different games. If you truly want to know a game you need to spend time at its endgame. WoW if fun to level, and most people playing it do mostly that, but me, and alot of other people found the endgame lacking. The raid system they got going and the total gear dependency at endgame sucks the life out of the raiders atleast. Imagine running every raid some 100x times for each tier step to equip a whole raid guild. If you find that stuff fun, well, I got a wall recently painted I need watched.
Xenogias argument is sound. Numbers dont always mean best. If they do, shit is good, cause a million flies cant be wrong eh?? Also since WoW is so damn big, the community is hurt by it. I have never met so many assholes in my entire mmo career as I had in WoW. Yes, there are assholes everywhere but they are so much more visible in WoW. In any other mmo, the community aint that freaking big and assholes like that quickly end on peoples ignore list. My ignorelist in WoW was full
and still I met new ones which I couldnt put on ignore every freaking day.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Everyone has the right to speak out their opinions.
WoW is a nice game
I like it so much
So i never feel tired of playing wow even many people are bashing it
Never??? That is a big promise.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
In the end its quite simple. If you like the game play it, if you don't then move along, there is no need to bash those that choose to continue playing the game. It just makes you look petty.
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I, am, no, expert. Meaning don't flame me... but I did play WoW from January of 2005 to January of 2008. I can say, I met many amazing people, had many awesome moments, and wasted many hours of my life joyously. What caused me to quit...
1) Community - Wow. That is all I have to say... I remember when the game began, I met about 10 people, and we stayed together, experiencing it all for the first time, we hit 50 together.. then we hit 60 together, etc etc. Well, seven people quitting due to real life time constraints, and three transfers later, I'm alone. Of course, I met more people but none were as "tight" of a group as they were with me. Now-a-days the community is filled with eight year olds, just learning to type and spell correctly, well spell in-correctly but comprehensibly either way, and who enjoy cursing. Because all the "big kids" do it. Flaming is an incessant annoyance in trade chat, and cliques are formed. This is obviously the Abercrombie and Fitch of MMO... MTV will adopt a WoW concept soon, I guarantee it. The community has that mentality. I couldn't handle it. I had to leave due to it. As an "old fart" of an MMO player at this point, I want a helpful community.
2) Endgame - I don't have five hours a night to speak to no one except my ub3r l337 cool guild on vent. Yeah, whatever. I just don't have the time, OR desire. Blizzard made an incredible game, I have done endgame raids. I did them before TBC, and I did them afterwards. It's the same thing, with a "different strategy" each time. Wow, healers stand HERE, not THERE, and no no don't do that, you'll pull aggro... Nineteen bosses later, NO! STAND HERE! Drab. I gave up after I did Gruul's, I just lost hope in it.
3) PvP - Always was my favorite. Too bad the honor grind is mind numbingly dull, with, once again, that amazing community always talking. Talking talking talking, blaming and BITCHING. No one works together. It's revolting. WoW was not like this in the beginning, oh no it was not. I have no problem with the gear, I say put some required strategy, not, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3! Omgz CRITZZZ! Gear is not how a game should be based.
Now, I do have one thing to say, Blizzard has fashioned a beautiful, amazing, and integrative gaming world. Azeroth is absolutely incredible, the way the land is laid out, the way the horizon looks, the weather effects, and the colors all add in to that one final touch of incredibleness... Unfortunately, for me, the game has nothing more to offer.
As I will say I have enjoyed my time in WoW, I do believe it is falling through the cracks and may not be the best MMO on the market today. Mostly this is due the idiotic community, and emphasis on gear and raiding.
This is just my recount of my experiences throughout the game, don't flame me, I am not a troll.
Why would anyone flame you, that was a well thought out post with many valid points. We need more people like you on these forums!
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Well, tyvm
, I just read forums all the time, but never say much. There's always, or so it seems, someone who wants to bash you, even if you do clearly exoress that it is only your opinion and not theirs..
Arrh..come on, it's a lot of fun to bash up Wow, go on, just give it a go, you know you want to, just bash him a little at first, work your way up........Oh man!...you guys are talking about World of Warcraft not the guy who....um never mind, sorry to interrupt....bye!
Haha
/Bash mode off.
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WoW started it
Possibly my favorite response of the year
Haha yeah, that was class.
But my opinion on WoW is that its a good game but it becomes crap after so long. It doesn't have the same feel to it as it does when you first start it. The classes are in my opinion boring and theres not many to pick from. The graphics are bad, really bad. I think the only thing that is good is the glowing weapons, thats a nice touch. I think the only time i truely enjoyed this game was playing as a night elf hunter, i loved it. But thanks to the WoW community, we we're classed as noobs, children, idiots and sometimes... gay :O. The problem with WoW is the people who play it which is probably why so many who have quit love to bash it. I got to say though, i'll miss standing outside the AH with some naked character asking me for "1g plzzzz" :P
Argueing this point is completely a waste of time. The fact im even responding to this is a complete waste of time. No matter what you do or say I will go to bed tonight still believeing WoW blows. Honestly the only reason WoW is so good is because of Blizzards strong financial background with 3 VERY popular games also adding the fact the game is so cookie cutter, if a person was handed this game as their very first mmo it would be an amazeing experience. Someone that plays off and on like you state would enjoy this game. I myself have absolutely no life and play games itleast 6-8 hours or more a day and running the same instance 4 or 5 times for the next 3 months is not somthing I plan on doing. They wernt like most companies out there that developed an MMO but didn't have the finances to make it so commercialized. WoW was a GREAT game right up untill the very end. Theres just nothing to do at endgame except brainlessly grind, grind, grind for better items that next month will be absolete for even 1337'er items. The best MMO ever made was SWG PRE CU / NGE. Yes this point can be argued endlessly and argueing with me is a waste of your time. I loved walking into Cantinas and just talking with people see what kinda loot they got meet people that actaully enjoyed being tailors people that enjoyed being armorsmiths or entertainers. WoW destroyed many games simply because people left their old ones.. There was somthing there otherthen going out and running instanced crap all day long. You could go make a town, you could put up a house and decorate it, form a guild and have a guild hall. NoN - Instanced battles over player owned bases with turrets and NPC that could be added, Destructable bases.. There was so much to do in SWG unlike wow. K im done
If you'r lvl 70 and suck, it depends on your armor. Then he/she/it just have to grind for better armor to be back in the game!
yay!
The person who puts the most hours ingame wins! yay!
I remember grinding for primal fires for leveling smithing. Some blue flamebane crap that was worth more sharded than on ah. That's it i think, wow has endgame grinding and it keeps ppl playing where no other game i can think of has something to do other than pvp at max level. Then again i moslty play plaync games now so it might be just them. I absolutly love travel powers at lvl 14 in CoH.
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Maybe when people realize that everything in wow is a grindfest: leveling? grind. pvp? grind. raiding? yep, a grind.
The best fact about WoW is that the whole game is a huge grind but its designed to make you think each level of the grind you are on is different.
There isn't really too much difference from getting enough gold for epic flying mount money than getting the points needed for your Arena sets. Same concepts.
"WoW bashes every other game, other people bashes WoW"
Its normal to bash on other things, people bash on whos the best singer, worst singer etc. ( even which bread is better). Another point I'd like to say is " The more people there is, the more drama there is.." , yeah community doesnt mean anything. Having alot of people in the game does in no way make it better. Its popular , I agree with that but for community sake, WoW really lacks on the "nice players" department. WoW bashes other games.. don't make it look like only others bash WoW.
And assuming next either someone will bash me or agree with what im saying.Its always the same. Your just provoking people to bash on the game even more. The term "Invisible Hand" (its real) means that if you leave things alone , things will work out. While this is for economic standards, it can apply to your action. "If you dont say anything , nothing will happen.." this line can also be applied in a good way and in a bad way , meaning if you did not make this thread, chances are people wont be bashing even more. This can be applied to me for posting this or other people..
Okay i sound like an old rambling person now
ok first off people bash games cause they want to no need to get all chris crocker on us
second your first statments wrong its strategic if you a 5 year old
third your second statment also wrong only challengeing again if your a 5 year old all you do to win is spam your strongest move
oh and if your thinking to yourself he probaly dosent play or he'd see what the game really is wrong again i do play but just because its the only good mmo out and i love my freinds in it
Warcraft isnt very well themed. Its nicely themed, but its not "very well" themed. Theres lots of content that is at odds with the general fantasy atmosphere of the rest of the game.
What the person above me I think is trying to say - sorry I couldnt follow most of what they were saying - is; its not strategy when you corpse-camp and skill spam. Its not strategy when all your opponents are warlocks or huntards... ok so thats more like strategy, but then again it isnt.
And bashing Warcrack is done for many and various reasons, not everyone who does so does it because they hate it. I bash it occaisionally, and I play it (sporadically). Its not a fun game, its not even really that interesting. Its just addictive. Im not addicted, I gave it up twice, came back, played for a while, now Im kinda meh again. The only reason why I even go back is because I like the people on my server.
Final thought: posting a thread telling people to stop making fun of it, isnt going to make them stop. Youre just giving them a thread to post their hatemail. like that old saying goes: "If you build it they will come." lol
yeah lol thanks mate im very bad at explaining a point
Even though I bash WoW a lot, I have to agree with the OP's list of points.
I just don't like the design choices they've made, like a tiered gear-grind as endgame. And the lack of RP support. Having said that, WoW has the same strategical/tactical/skill depth as pretty much any other MMO I've played. Nonsense like "just spamming your most powerful attack" just shows you either haven't played or mastered the game yourself.
Well said Grumpy, just what I was thinking!
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ok first off people bash games cause they want to no need to get all chris crocker on us
second your first statments wrong its strategic if you a 5 year old
third your second statment also wrong only challengeing again if your a 5 year old all you do to win is spam your strongest move
oh and if your thinking to yourself he probaly dosent play or he'd see what the game really is wrong again i do play but just because its the only good mmo out and i love my freinds in it
If you think that "spamming your strongest move" is going to get you anywhere in PvP, you are in for a shock. Now the easy PvE instances are true to some extent, catering to all the old folks who only have one hour a day to play, but there are heroic instances which can mean instant wipe if you do something wrong.
The arenas are probably the best example of skill in WoW. After a few games you'll be matched to players with similar ratings, and you'll have some extremely fun and close battles, where the only difference between winning and losing is tactics.
Knowing who to attack and when, countering abilities, strafing, fake casting, saving CC abilities for the most important moment - not just using them when they're available, knowledge of enemy cool downs and trinkets, knowledge of other classes abilties and the differences in specs, doing unexpected things to trick your oponents - for example your team suddenly switching to another player simulatenously and back again to confound your oponents.. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Those who say WoW requires no skill or tactics are the ones who get the crap kicked out of them or think that gear is the only variable. Every time someone says this, I know automatically that they do not have a hardcore gamer mentality and are probably bitter at getting owned all the time.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Meh WoW's pvp was quite wretched, especially Arena. In the small 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 matches you really see how gear dependent the game is. Ok there is "some" skill to it, but skill quickly fades to gear. You can say what you want, but I played the game for years and I know what gear does for you in WoW. If you don't believe, go get some old of the boar gear off the AH and wear it during your next 10 matches and let's see how that works out for ya.
I thought WSG was the only really good PvP concept they had, and let's face it WoW didn't invent capture the flag...... the other PvP events had very little strategy. Arena was the worst, like I said, because it all came down to "beat dem up." Ok there was some strat... aka who to kill first, but for the most part that was pretty elementary.