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When a guild says 18+
Arndur
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I find it odd that many guilds add a 18+ age limit. After playing through a fair share of guilds in wow, through vent i learned that many of the good, alot of the time better then the older players, and are just as mature. Ive always wondered why they would cut out that age group.
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It is a rash generalization, but most I've at least experienced do fear immaturity. I was even in a guild once a while ago where they put up an 18+ rule and simply grandfathered in me and one other member because they just plain got sick and tired of slogging through the numbers for the exceptions. One thing I WILL say is that I don't think age always dictates things of that sort. I once in that same game dealt with a 17 year old girl that was more mature then a 30+ man I'd met. That guild I was in found that having that rule in place actually made it easier to keep hurt feelings to a minimum: if the guild advisor thinks a person just plain isn't mature enough, just saying, "Sorry, you aren't old enough according to our rules," tends to cause a far less indignant reaction then, "Sorry, you aren't mature enough."
Funnily enough, one of the guilds I'm in on one game has two 15 year old members that are the absolute darlings of the group. Them being mistreated is one of the few things that can get us onto a PK server. We do watch our language around them though. <.<
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Think less about maturity and more about similar lifestyles being the reasoning. Maturity is just the cover word. 18+ are more likely to be employed, live independantly, have a committed relationship, possibly children, etc. It is the common experience of these things that will be found more with an 18+ group than an all-age guild.
DISCLAIMER: I'm just presenting you another angle, I could care less about 18+ guilds are not, I'm 32 so whatever.
edit --- oh and I couldn't vote in your poll because you didn't include all options.
18 means a legal, consenting adult. It's a good start, but not a guarantee.
Yep.
I just wished they added things like 30+ and 40+ aged guides.
You want to associate with folks with similiar life experiences. Not only with family and all, but can talk about the days that kids just whine too much they dislike hearing.
Maturity means different things to people. Some 15 year-olds are mature, but you just can't talk to them about life 30 years ago. They can't relate, and frankly will be out of touch with such a group.
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Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Yep.
I just wished they added things like 30+ and 40+ aged guides.
You want to associate with folks with similiar life experiences. Not only with family and all, but can talk about the days that kids just whine too much they dislike hearing.
Maturity means different things to people. Some 15 year-olds are mature, but you just can't talk to them about life 30 years ago. They can't relate, and frankly will be out of touch with such a group.
They may not be able to talk about it like it happened to them but they can talk about it. Classic rock for example i love it. I really only listen to Christan rock and mabye a few other bands but mostly its stuff older then 15 years at least. For poltics i like to look back into that stuff so i can talk about it. But i can see where you would rather to talk to someone who did experience it and not just someone who read it.
Now ill talk about current stuff and the older people in the guild may have no idea what im talking about but i have no problem with this.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
It surprises me, but i'm twelve and i have better english then an "18-year-old" i had found a lewd 18+ guild that revolved around innapropiate content. While they were mature in subject it was a disturbing sight. I suggest a comfortable all age guild that makes you feel "welcome". As i always say, why should age stop something (lude content does not count kido's ok?).
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i very much agree with the 18+ stuff. it sucks really, cause i have also met alot of kids 14-17 that were really good at there class, some were more immature but. but kids just dont understand the concept of "leadership" and to just shut the %*@$ up and take orders. they will complain when we need to wait for a group member when they say, afk 5, my kids are screaming.
kids ruin it for other kids lol
Honestly 18+ is sufficient for pre-release guilds or guilds that just open recruit. Guilds that only recruit in game usually have no need for such a rule because they know first hand if the person is mature or not. There will ALWAYS be exceptions to the rule in 18+ guilds because there are people 14-17 who can hold a conversation far better than somebody 18+.
Ive been in a looooong running group of friends/guild and in my experiences kids can be problems.
First, at the end of the day they are 15. Sure they can dish it out like the rest of us, but you try to poke em back and they get hurt.
Secondly, they take many things hard. Criticism being one of them. When we play wow, we raid. The adults are usually very good about taking suggestions. Weve had two time when somebody has snapped at the raid/somebody in the raid. One was 15, the other was 17. They are both, for the most part, the only people in the guild we regularly have issues with.
Most of them can act mature when they are calm, happy, unstressed and having a good day. Adults can deal with bad days/annoying situations. Its only when the shit hits the fan do the kids start to rear their ugly heads.
For the record, we keep those two around and normally they are great guys. Its only when things get rough/stressful/annoying that they become a HUGE pain in everyones ass.
As for an age restriction, its also make sense that age has a number, and maturity doens't.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Being mature is more than how old you are or how you act. Among other things, it is also about how you view the world. People who only want to associate with people over 18 are mostly just looking for people with similar outlooks and priorities.
"Those who dislike things based only on the fact that they are popular are just as shallow and superficial as those who only like them for the same reason."
I am 27 years old, served in the military and through a war, have been married for 7 years and have a kid who will be 6 years old soon. I am educated, have high career ambitions, and help instruct people in martial arts. I enjoy reading not only fantasy and sci-fi novels, but academic subjects such as philosophy and psychology.
Generally, a normal 24 year old won't have much in common with that, much less a 18 or 16 year old. That's why, when I search for a guild, I ensure that the guild leaders are people with similar situations of my own and have officers who actually know how to lead and understand what it means to be an adult parent from their own experiences. People like this will not tolerate the ugly side of children or immature adults for that matter. Guilds who recruit based off of similar lifestyles or like-mindedness are the best guilds to look into.
For you people in my boat, how may people in their 20's, much less teens have had similar life-styles as you? The majority of people I meet in game not only self centered, but have no ambition in life or ambition to be somebody or make a difference in this world. It is aggravating having conversations with these people, because they are so ignorant and it is funny when the "real" mature peoples' eyes just fall out, because they cannot believe what just came out of the other person mouth, who is supposed to be an adult in their upper 20's.
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It's not "classic" Rock, it IS Rock! Whatever they're serving now just doesn't compare to music that required actually playing an instrument (not laboring in some studio digitally mixing and remixing tracks to sound decent)! lololol
I've always said I prefer analog music, because I at least knew that whatever they did in the studio, it was to enhance, not recreate soundtracks -- musicians had to at least be competent players and trust the engineers to mix it right. Not loop tracks and pass that off as being creative.
Life experiences can't be delievered from reading Wikipedia. Like I can't relate to your world now, you can't relate to the 70s/80s that I grew up in.
I'd prefer to associate with folks who I can relate to, those who grew up watching and listening what we ALL watched (no 400 channels to chose from, on TV and radio), who share similiar values, as well.
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As many of the above posters have alluded to. Age does NOT always equate to maturity. Ive known plenty of 14 and 15 years olds who were solid, dedicated, smart, honest and friendly. Ive known plenty of 34 yr olds who I felt ought to remediate back to 3rd grade.
Honestly, I understand why guilds (especially those in WoW) require 18+. Its not as much maturity, but they also dont want to lose their main tank or healers because Bed time is strictly 11:30 on a school night.
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Part of the problem is the culture of the *rpg world. They are a v-e-r-y touchy lot, and if you even prick them a little, they'll bleed to death whining about "u r flaming me!" (only on rpg type sites do I see this constant whine -- other game sites will just blow you a new one to compensate...lol) instead of stopping and putting a bandaid on themselves and move on.
Probably why there's many 18+ groups/guilds. They just can't and won't take the drama.
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One way to measure maturity for example here would be... very few people above 18 would come to a forum and complain if some guilds were only for people below 18. Sometimes you are exluded from things by others personal preference, it happens, its understandable and you as a person do not have some divine right to included in everything just because you want to.
Though posts from people below 18 saying "I wan to join too, I am mature, what is wrong with them?!" are legion... you might want to think about what that tells you, as well...
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No guild ask you for a prove. You can have 12 years old and you can say you have 80 years.
The fact that RL age matters so much to so many shows me that the promise of this genre is unfulfilled. Because if we played the games in the way they were originally intended to be played, the character is the thing that should matter, not the player who plays it.
I think it goes without saying that young players don't have much in common with players in their 20's and 30's. Then again, people in their 20's and 30's know younger people, because they were young once themselves. Now my playing philosophy is simply "don't ask, don't tell, don't care," because I really don't see the point in knowing anything about the players who play the characters I see.
But if you are going to get "chummy chummy" with other gamers, why not be a positive role model for these kids, rather than just ignore them? Because it seems to me that the one thing kids have in common is that they want to show that they can hang with the older guys. Of course, the exception is when the older guys just diss the kids, and the kids become just more obnoxious.
But to all of us in our 20's and 30's, do we really have anything in common with people in their 50's and 60's, or beyond? Retired folks have even less ambition than teenagers, and are probably even less interesting to talk with than the kids.
in 30 years, I predict that many of us are going to be playing MMOs. After all, you have a lot of time when you retire, and a lot of time that can be devoted to MMOs. And if the guilds really aren't interested in hanging with the teenage crowd, think about how stone cold uninterested they'd be with the prospect of hanging with your old geriatric ass?
Something to think about.
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The 18+ requirement is not always a comment on maturity.
I know quite a few guilds that have an age requirement and it's not because they think that young people are immature, it's just that the style of content that they are aiming for requires the sort of dedication and long-term planning that a 14 year old can't commit to. I've heard of guilds crippled when their 14 year old tank (who was a mature guy and a good player) is forced to quit because his mom thinks he's not doing enough revision for his upcoming exams.
Guilds prefer people who are in control of their own play-time.
Times are different. When I was in school the worst anyone had to worry about is someone carrying a knife for protection (get it, protection). Now parents have to worry if their kid will be killed in school with not only your average 9mm, but automatic rifles and/or explosives. Secondly, if kids talked like they do now when I was young, their parents would've tanned their hide (and society would've expected no less). Now parents don't give a damn, and we have 12 year-olds thrilled about "rapejuice".
Naw, that wasn't how anyone I knew lived when we were young.
Folks aren't babysitters. When kids miscontrue stuff, then throw it back at you because they're tired of any "authority" (as they're too busy being know-it-all 16 year-olds), you just move along and shut them out. Gaming for older folks is extremely time limited, and what time they do have to play, it's not to pet Johnny's head because he expects to be praised (and if he doesn't he pouts).
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Ever since I turned 18 I've had much less time than I did when I was younger. Reason being I have a job now. My schedule is pretty crazy. When I was in high school before I started working I had an easy schedule that I could plan around. I'd rather have someone who was still in school personally.
Good filter for immaturity(yes its a generalization), dont need to go on your toes around them kiddies(make an altguild for em if needed), lifestyle(no way you can relate to a 15 year old how it is to have kids, pay the bills, relationship stuff and so on), adult content and talk(sex, drugs n rock n roll :P), talk about the good ole days aka nostalgia, some people look at teenagers as idiots(some of them are, I know I was when I was that age) and so on. I see lots of reason to go 18+ on a guild/org/supergroup or whatever the mmo of choice choose to call them, as I also see lots of reason to go with no age requirement.
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may be they don't believe in the capabilities of below 18 guys..or maybe they want to go green
A guild, most of the times set those kind of restrictive rules as a guarantee for the players who might be interested in joining, if I'm looking for a guild and I have a problem with playing along with 16 y.o. boys, I'll consider that 18+ guarantee as a possitive factor into my decission, that being said, I've been surprised by kids who were quite mature for their age and, that's why I, looking for maturity on my guild, don't want to close the doors, however, some people find troubles finding out if a person is mature or not, and the 18+ only label is the easy way.
It's not "classic" Rock, it IS Rock! Whatever they're serving now just doesn't compare to music that required actually playing an instrument (not laboring in some studio digitally mixing and remixing tracks to sound decent)! lololol
I've always said I prefer analog music, because I at least knew that whatever they did in the studio, it was to enhance, not recreate soundtracks -- musicians had to at least be competent players and trust the engineers to mix it right. Not loop tracks and pass that off as being creative.
Life experiences can't be delievered from reading Wikipedia. Like I can't relate to your world now, you can't relate to the 70s/80s that I grew up in.
I'd prefer to associate with folks who I can relate to, those who grew up watching and listening what we ALL watched (no 400 channels to chose from, on TV and radio), who share similiar values, as well.
ok i agree here, but just throwing up 18+ isnt going to get people you can relate too. While you grew up in the 80s/70s they might have been adults and had a very different experince.
As to the people who say that 18+ is so that they are in control of their play time, ive seen that more often on the older people becuase of college or a job or a family. In the guilds i am in the people under 18 are the ones on the most.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD