So you're saying Conan WON"T have millions of subscribers world wide??? Who needs a shrink now? - you do. Conan will EASILY have millions of players in USA , Europe and Asia combined.
LOL - I'm not the only one, who say that, the game's own devs say that:
"When it comes to World of Warcraft, it's going to run up to World of Warcraft and kick it in its knees, I think", product manager Erling Ellingsen quipped about the forthcoming MMO before adding: "It's never going to get the number of players World of Wacraft has".
Time to appoint a visit to the doctor m8.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
I'm saying that AoC won't have millions of subscribers. I mean hell, how many MMO's out there can actually boast having 1 mil subscribers? And you're talking about millions of players on a game that probably won't run well on most people's computers.
WoW has millions because it has simple, fun gameplay that people who have never ever even thought about playing a computer game let alone an MMO can jump right in and start playing with minimal problems. It also runs on a lot of low end computers meaning that the gaming newbie doesn't have to shell out a lot of money for it.
And as far as Darkfall hitting those numbers, well I think it'll be kind of hard if they are centering mostly on PvP because they will be excluding the more casual-geared audiences which are starting to flock to the mmo market.
That being said, people need to learn that a game does nto have to hit WoW numbers to be successful. If Darkfall gets 200,000+ people playing it, that should be enough to keep the game running and updating right? I really hope that the WoW logic doesn't keep killing off potentially good games
And as far as Darkfall hitting those numbers, well I think it'll be kind of hard if they are centering mostly on PvP because they will be excluding the more casual-geared audiences which are starting to flock to the mmo market. That being said, people need to learn that a game does nto have to hit WoW numbers to be successful. If Darkfall gets 200,000+ people playing it, that should be enough to keep the game running and updating right? I really hope that the WoW logic doesn't keep killing off potentially good games
Indeed, I think DF devs would be happy with 200k steady subs. If they are lucky and do their marketing right, they may even hit 500k IF they reach all those disgrunted "I hate endgame" players.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
If anything WAR will hit a Million before Darkfall and AoC because WAR has a huge following on the table top games.
WoW has alot of players because its a Warcraft game. I admit, I decided to leave EQ1 (bad mistake) for WoW because I was a huge Diablo/Warcraft fan and figured it would be alone the same lines. I played for almost 2 years and left again.
Graphics are nice to have but its all about gameplay to me. If a game looks great but the game play sucks, I will not play long.... If the graphics suck but the game play is great, i will play for a long time.
Check out Mount & Blade, not great graphics but a kick ass game.
I agree with aiwe2143 and TdogSkal.. maybe, and just a huge maybe WAR can hit above one million subs, but no other mmo releasing in the near future will even come close. Some ppl are so far away from reality that to even think about anythink like that. And for AoC.. their high system requirements alone disqualify it for very high subs.. just hardcore gamers will upgrade their system for a game.
However, if both(WAR and AoC) release this year we will see it.. and Darkfall will neither release this year nor will it even come near to one million subs.. the 200k mark is a good one.. everything else is wishful dreaming.
I think I've also heard complaints about WoW's graphics; easy to see how that turned out. Graphics over gameplay never will work: you can ask Brad McQuaid about that or even John Smedly and the EQ2 gang .
If it run smooth and has good gameplay, nobody will care.
While i do agree with your statement i will never understand how WoW has OK graphics and terrible gameplay yet is so freaking popular.
You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
I think I've also heard complaints about WoW's graphics; easy to see how that turned out. Graphics over gameplay never will work: you can ask Brad McQuaid about that or even John Smedly and the EQ2 gang .
If it run smooth and has good gameplay, nobody will care.
While i do agree with your statement i will never understand how WoW has OK graphics and terrible gameplay yet is so freaking popular.
You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
Well if you wanted to have any credibilty left you wouldnt have said and i quote-
[QUOTE] I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old. [QUOTE].
You havent the faintest idea how Darkfall graphics have improved over the years, not a single clue. A statement like that cant be taken in any other way then youre trolling. Compare Darkfall screenshots from different years-
theres a screenshot of the Ui not sure wha it looks like know but i bet its pretty close to that.
I can tell they been constanly updating the style : ) and gfx i mean theres alot of hidden trickes there using But it still looks good the game is aimed at a wide range of system not just high end systems
I think I've also heard complaints about WoW's graphics; easy to see how that turned out. Graphics over gameplay never will work: you can ask Brad McQuaid about that or even John Smedly and the EQ2 gang .
If it run smooth and has good gameplay, nobody will care.
While i do agree with your statement i will never understand how WoW has OK graphics and terrible gameplay yet is so freaking popular.
You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
i didnt call you a jerk to offend you i was just saying i asked oyu you to point out what it actulyl wrong with the gfx and you cant even do that... your saying the gfx are 6 year old LMAO your crazy ffxi is 6 years old gfx darkfall is dx9 know i do belive at least high end 8. doing TR and AOc graphics is crazy youw ill never get open world with that as of right now.
I think I've also heard complaints about WoW's graphics; easy to see how that turned out. Graphics over gameplay never will work: you can ask Brad McQuaid about that or even John Smedly and the EQ2 gang .
If it run smooth and has good gameplay, nobody will care.
While i do agree with your statement i will never understand how WoW has OK graphics and terrible gameplay yet is so freaking popular.
You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
i didnt call you a jerk to offend you i was just saying i asked oyu you to point out what it actulyl wrong with the gfx and you cant even do that... your saying the gfx are 6 year old LMAO your crazy ffxi is 6 years old gfx darkfall is dx9 know i do belive at least high end 8. doing TR and AOc graphics is crazy youw ill never get open world with that as of right now.
Well, i am big enough to admit when i might be wrong so i did somemore research on Darkfall. I am still finding alot of screens that i think do not look very good at all but i have seen some posted on this thread and the Darkfall vs AOC from 2008 that look alot better.
So i guess i will say that i stand corrected. I still dont think the enviroment detail is all that good but the characters have gotten alot better. And yes i do understand why Darkfall has chosen to use the graphics that they have and agree that it is the right choice.
I am more a fan of realistic graphics in games. As far as characters graphics i would rate them:
1. Vanguard on top (but yes, since it is seamless the outstanding graphics do present a problem for most machines)
2. AOC (not quite as good as VG in my opinion, and with zones vis seamless it should help non 8800 computers run the game at a decent rate).
3. Tie between Darkfall and EQ2. (many didnt like EQ2 graphics but i did)
I also think Lineage 2 is a beautiful game but i am not a fan of the anime type graphics as much.
So yes, you were right. Darkfall has improved quite a bit. Certainly its graphics are no longer something i would shy away from. I have never played a full PVP game before so the carebear in me shys away from Darkfall but i may give it a shot. It looks like it has pretty good racial diversity and the mounts look pretty good. Armor detail is nice and hopefully wont be over the top like WoW armors.
Honestly, for many of us, and I'm guessing a large enough chunk of people, care more about the actual pvp and general competition than the graphics. Therefore, I think that all Darkfall needs to do is present decent graphics but nothing that would be considered top of the market graphics. And, for a pvp based game that should probably be favored to keep the framerates down; even a top of the line rig will stutter when you get tons of player models together on the screen if they are high poly/texture size. Having said that sometimes taking a screenshot of a game doesn't exactly give the full impression of that game's environmental looks and feel. For example, one of the things that impressed me about WoW is that the environments were very rich and deep, even compared to things today, and felt in a sense like you were part of the environment. The foliage, grass, the jungles and even the deserts just felt plausible and there. Games like Everquest 2, Vanguard or even LoTRO have awesome screenshot graphics but when you start running around the environments and seeing them up close you begin to see the fakeness to them. The feeling of being in a man made environment. Darkfall's environment is PvP and if they capture PvP very well they capture their target audience. I love PvP and i'd accept graphics from the year 2000 if the PvP is great. Alot of people out there are like that and again, as I mentioned above, if Darkfall can get the PvP right they don't need to compete graphically with AoC or WAR. So everytime someone comes in here and disses on the graphics for Darkfall they fail to realize that if Darkfall has genre topping graphics thats just a bonus not a requirement for it.
Yeah you are completely right!!!!!
Who cares about graphics.... on a game that will probably never be released!!!
Honestly, for many of us, and I'm guessing a large enough chunk of people, care more about the actual pvp and general competition than the graphics. Therefore, I think that all Darkfall needs to do is present decent graphics but nothing that would be considered top of the market graphics. And, for a pvp based game that should probably be favored to keep the framerates down; even a top of the line rig will stutter when you get tons of player models together on the screen if they are high poly/texture size. Having said that sometimes taking a screenshot of a game doesn't exactly give the full impression of that game's environmental looks and feel. For example, one of the things that impressed me about WoW is that the environments were very rich and deep, even compared to things today, and felt in a sense like you were part of the environment. The foliage, grass, the jungles and even the deserts just felt plausible and there. Games like Everquest 2, Vanguard or even LoTRO have awesome screenshot graphics but when you start running around the environments and seeing them up close you begin to see the fakeness to them. The feeling of being in a man made environment. Darkfall's environment is PvP and if they capture PvP very well they capture their target audience. I love PvP and i'd accept graphics from the year 2000 if the PvP is great. Alot of people out there are like that and again, as I mentioned above, if Darkfall can get the PvP right they don't need to compete graphically with AoC or WAR. So everytime someone comes in here and disses on the graphics for Darkfall they fail to realize that if Darkfall has genre topping graphics thats just a bonus not a requirement for it.
Yeah you are completely right!!!!!
Who cares about graphics.... on a game that will probably never be released!!!
Honestly, for many of us, and I'm guessing a large enough chunk of people, care more about the actual pvp and general competition than the graphics. Therefore, I think that all Darkfall needs to do is present decent graphics but nothing that would be considered top of the market graphics. And, for a pvp based game that should probably be favored to keep the framerates down; even a top of the line rig will stutter when you get tons of player models together on the screen if they are high poly/texture size. Having said that sometimes taking a screenshot of a game doesn't exactly give the full impression of that game's environmental looks and feel. For example, one of the things that impressed me about WoW is that the environments were very rich and deep, even compared to things today, and felt in a sense like you were part of the environment. The foliage, grass, the jungles and even the deserts just felt plausible and there. Games like Everquest 2, Vanguard or even LoTRO have awesome screenshot graphics but when you start running around the environments and seeing them up close you begin to see the fakeness to them. The feeling of being in a man made environment. Darkfall's environment is PvP and if they capture PvP very well they capture their target audience. I love PvP and i'd accept graphics from the year 2000 if the PvP is great. Alot of people out there are like that and again, as I mentioned above, if Darkfall can get the PvP right they don't need to compete graphically with AoC or WAR. So everytime someone comes in here and disses on the graphics for Darkfall they fail to realize that if Darkfall has genre topping graphics thats just a bonus not a requirement for it.
Yeah you are completely right!!!!!
Who cares about graphics.... on a game that will probably never be released!!!
lol to bad i know it will
youre not that mystery guild member who visited the devs.... are you?
na he types better than me. But the game is still under heavy dev its the only game the company is working on it would be stupid not to release it after all this time. dont you think? If the peole that have visted them havent lied to us then it will release when i realyl cant say on that ut. if i betted you. i would win sooner or later.
Just keep dreaming about the castle in the sky that is Darkfall while I'll be playing and enjoying a most likely better PvP experience in AoC with better graphics to boot.
Sorry but i dont play carebear games like AoC with instances, no loot, no free PvP nor consequences.
But you have fun with you streamlined WoW-copy.=)
Seems I hit a DF fanboy cord. Anyway, nice attempt at making an upset with the ever original carebear dribble.
I could call you a carebear for looking for an adrenaline rush, and some sort of accomplishment from a computer game... go join the military if you're so hardcore.
What about kill anyone you want on a PvP server is carebear? That sounds a lot like free PvP to me.
I like to play games from established developers... not some random start up who hasn't a clue what they're doing. Imagine how bad the game support/balance/quality is going to be if they are having a hard time even getting it developed in the first place.
Enjoy Darkfall while it lasts... if it ever even exists.
Wheres the loot?=)
Wheres the consequences if you live or die?=)
Where is the open totally free world?=)
Where is the dynamic player driven world?=)
AoC is just another carebear game for kids that wanna play safe.
Darkfall gameplay will be so much fun. Cant wait to play in another dynamic player driven world, just like UO but in 3-D.=)
Where's the game? Oh that's right, still "polishing and shining while trying to decide on a publisher, but we could move into Beta anytime we want".
I do have to applaud Darkfall for one thing though: they're the first computer game to truly take RPG back to its tabletop roots, since you have to use your imagination to be able to play it. Sadly for DF fans the most hardcore PvP y'all will ever experience is right here on these flame forums. Make the most of it kids... this IS Darkfall.
Just keep dreaming about the castle in the sky that is Darkfall while I'll be playing and enjoying a most likely better PvP experience in AoC with better graphics to boot.
Sorry but i dont play carebear games like AoC with instances, no loot, no free PvP nor consequences.
But you have fun with you streamlined WoW-copy.=)
Seems I hit a DF fanboy cord. Anyway, nice attempt at making an upset with the ever original carebear dribble.
I could call you a carebear for looking for an adrenaline rush, and some sort of accomplishment from a computer game... go join the military if you're so hardcore.
What about kill anyone you want on a PvP server is carebear? That sounds a lot like free PvP to me.
I like to play games from established developers... not some random start up who hasn't a clue what they're doing. Imagine how bad the game support/balance/quality is going to be if they are having a hard time even getting it developed in the first place.
Enjoy Darkfall while it lasts... if it ever even exists.
Wheres the loot?=)
Wheres the consequences if you live or die?=)
Where is the open totally free world?=)
Where is the dynamic player driven world?=)
AoC is just another carebear game for kids that wanna play safe.
Darkfall gameplay will be so much fun. Cant wait to play in another dynamic player driven world, just like UO but in 3-D.=)
Where's the game? Oh that's right, still "polishing and shining while trying to decide on a publisher, but we could move into Beta anytime we want".
I do have to applaud Darkfall for one thing though: they're the first computer game to truly take RPG back to its tabletop roots, since you have to use your imagination to be able to play it. Sadly for DF fans the most hardcore PvP y'all will ever experience is right here on these flame forums. Make the most of it kids... this IS Darkfall.
Well games isnt playable before they is in beta or released. Was the same with WoW, Warhammer and Age of Conan. And youre right they been been and still are in discussions with publishers who present a good and viable alternative to theirs self-publishing plan. They had a publisher for the game Darkfall since 2002 in the company Aventurine. EvE selfpublished and it went very well.
[QUOTE] Overall, we have a near complete implementation of the game, speaking of the technology and our feature list. A few things that are not implemented yet but in the works are some clan controls, the environment system, and some AI optimizations. The Darkfall AI resembles Quake bots in the Darkfall context of course. They are not the stupid predictable AI you meet in most MMOs, waiting around to meet their fate. They challenge the player and help train him since they behave like someone's controlling them. A new tabbed message system is also being implemented where you can move and arrange your tabs anywhere and any way you like. It's full of cool features like for example you can drag and drop items in there to show someone their stats, or you can arrange for your kill messages to pop up FPS style in the middle of your screen etc.
We're running the game through proper QA testing at the moment, and doing full optimizations to make sure everything will run smoothly even when demands on the game are high.
Content of course is demanding a lot of our attention, and at the moment we're building and placing infrastructure like roads, towers etc, still adding quests, and art assets for these are continually being made. Sounds are being added to everything and more effects on spells and wherever else they're needed. [/QUOTE]
And guess what, i do believe more in the devs of Darkfall then some Darkfall troll like you wanting to add another useless +1 post to your account.
Nope, I just can't believe it. Time and again your response to any negative forum post is to quote the silver-tongued Tasos Flambouras' promises... promises which have been repeated for years now, with no concrete evidence to back them up (I say "no evidence" because the screenshots and `movies' which exist could quickly and easily have been cooked up as promos/demos independent of an actual game framework existing).
It's gotten to the point now where Aventurine's consistent lack of delivery is creating so much bad press amongst the gamer community, even among people who might have once been interested in a game like Darkfall, that there doesn't seem to be ANY good reason why they don't show something that might quiet the rumbling masses... except of course the obvious reason: that they don't have anything concrete to show.
And even that isn't such a big problem in itself - I think almost everyone here understands that Aventurine is a small indie company trying to step into the very complex world of MMO development, and that as such that they're likely to take a lot longer to produce anything than a more heavily staffed and funded studio. The real problems with this whole Darkfall debacle, as I see it, are:
1. Biting off more than they can chew - by attempting a project of such vast size and scope, with a feature list that would make most AAA MMO studios shudder, Aventurine are getting caught in the trap (with their comparatively small number of devs) of not being able to produce quickly enough to keep up with the passing of time and, hence, tech capability and peoples' expectations. This is especially evident (getting back to the original thread topic at last!) in the dated-looking graphic models. It's all well and good to say "they're low-polycount to keep bandwidth usage down" but the fact is these graphics are already looking clunky by today's standards... imagine how bad they'll look by the contemporary standards when (/if) they finally release, let alone 2 or 3 years later, the minimum lifespan an MMO would be shooting for.
[On a side note, some DF fans are also making erroneous comparisons between Aventurine and CCP, the indie developer behind EvE. While they both began as small studios, and CCP has stayed true to the initial vision of their game as Aventurine are claiming to do, that's where the similarity ends. EvE, for all its complexity, is a relatively simple game. Graphically it's pretty undemanding, having very simple animation and environmental scenery, which makes it a LOT easier for them to set the stage for mass open PvP warfare (which even still suffers from lag issues). Aventurine is attempting a project on a completely different scale of graphic complexity and system demands, and as such faces a much greater challenge if they are to succeed.]
2. Excessive rhetoric - the DF devs are talking up their product so much anyone might be forgiven for expecting the Second Coming of Christ. Forum communities these days (particularly around here) are a pretty jaded, cynical lot for the most part, so the tendency is for greater hyperbole to be matched by greater disbelief. The MMO landscape is already dotted so heavily with broken promises, failed projects and general disappointment that it's hard for anyone to believe the hype machine anymore. Aventurine's dev reports, with their lofty claims of nearing completion, of imminent Beta and of a revolutionization in MMO gaming, are merely adding fuel to the flame war.
3. The fan base - not since the pre-Vanguard hype have we seen such a zealous community so desperately defending the product they love, and this similarity is not lost to many forum users. Sometimes it seems less like a gaming community and more like a religious sect, such is the passion with which they shrilly leap to the defense of this game representing (or at least promising to represent) their hopes and dreams for the future of gaming. The fact that their belief relies in large part on faith (in the promises of Tasos et. al.), hope for a miracle (that such a small dev team can successfully deliver such a huge project) and attention-diverting witch hunts (AoC the latest sacrificial lamb on the pyre) only serve to cement this picture. And as with 2. above, the louder the cries the louder the retorts.
Time will tell if this game ever manages to release, much less live up to its promises, but I for one certainly won't be holding my breath. There are too many other interesting projects on the much more tangible horizon which I'll be investing my time and money on, though I'll keep watching DF's progress (such as it is) with interest... if for nothing more than the entertainment value of watching a car crash unfolding slowly before my eyes.
WoW you wasted alot of timeto type that didnt you.what are you trying to get?
Funny thing is What you going to do when m right about this game?
like argon said i would belive the devs over you unless they never have any body see the game which in fact they have every year.
Ps the devs have actully been to honest with us.
but you see you dont relize that do you.
There game has allf eatures in its being optimized like TAso said what taso said is true he has no reason to lie to us. darkfalld evs know if they do. and when it goes beta and its not liek what they say it is then the game willd ie right then and there.
1. there is no game then
2. The game is going to put a shame to all these other mmos.
And since we have conformation from diffrent people that the game is in dev and the devs treat the game like thre baby and are to stubbern not to put out a great game yea i think illt ake my chances. on darkfall then listing to a nobuddy
WoW you wasted alot of timeto type that didnt you.what are you trying to get? Funny thing is What you going to do when m right about this game? like argon said i would belive the devs over you unless they never have any body see the game which in fact they have every year. Ps the devs have actully been to honest with us. but you see you dont relize that do you. There game has allf eatures in its being optimized like TAso said what taso said is true he has no reason to lie to us. darkfalld evs know if they do. and when it goes beta and its not liek what they say it is then the game willd ie right then and there. 1. there is no game then 2. The game is going to put a shame to all these other mmos. And since we have conformation from diffrent people that the game is in dev and the devs treat the game like thre baby and are to stubbern not to put out a great game yea i think illt ake my chances. on darkfall then listing to a nobuddy Word of advice stop while your ahead
I cant get the thought of colored macaroni hats and necklaces out of my head each time I see you post.
Nope, I just can't believe it. Time and again your response to any negative forum post is to quote the silver-tongued Tasos Flambouras' promises... promises which have been repeated for years now, with no concrete evidence to back them up (I say "no evidence" because the screenshots and `movies' which exist could quickly and easily have been cooked up as promos/demos independent of an actual game framework existing). I rather quote Tasos then some random on this forum. He is developing the game you know so i think he know a bit more about Darkfall then you do. Whether you choose to believe him or not is up to you. And youre conspiracy accusations is just about pathological. I think you should search for that mate. It's gotten to the point now where Aventurine's consistent lack of delivery is creating so much bad press amongst the gamer community, even among people who might have once been interested in a game like Darkfall, that there doesn't seem to be ANY good reason why they don't show something that might quiet the rumbling masses... except of course the obvious reason: that they don't have anything concrete to show. There have never been so much info from the devs as last 3 months. A new video, 70 new screenshots, regular developer journals and lots of website refreshments. Your just poorly informed, thats all. And even that isn't such a big problem in itself - I think almost everyone here understands that Aventurine is a small indie company trying to step into the very complex world of MMO development, and that as such that they're likely to take a lot longer to produce anything than a more heavily staffed and funded studio. The real problems with this whole Darkfall debacle, as I see it, are: 1. Biting off more than they can chew - by attempting a project of such vast size and scope, with a feature list that would make most AAA MMO studios shudder, Aventurine are getting caught in the trap (with their comparatively small number of devs) of not being able to produce quickly enough to keep up with the passing of time and, hence, tech capability and peoples' expectations. This is especially evident (getting back to the original thread topic at last!) in the dated-looking graphic models. It's all well and good to say "they're low-polycount to keep bandwidth usage down" but the fact is these graphics are already looking clunky by today's standards... imagine how bad they'll look by the contemporary standards when (/if) they finally release, let alone 2 or 3 years later, the minimum lifespan an MMO would be shooting for. Features is all implemented. Isnt it wonderful.=) How balanced they are is still to be seen though. Lets hope for the best shall we. They have as far as i know no special timelimit to follow more then their own goals. They have a publisher in Aventurine which been there first choice since 2002. They seem to be well funded so just chill, game will go beta when the Devs have a finished well internaly tested game. They been in internal testing for some years now you know. Clan beta soon, cant wait.=) Graphics is better then AoC graphics if you ask me and many agree with me on this one. You should have read all the threads on Darkfall board when the last screenies were presented. People were so happy to see these awsome screenies. And i dont blame them. Graphics is by no mean outdated. Its top of the class. And remember, good gameplay always own good graphics. Just look at UO. My guess is beta before fall 2008 and graphics and hopefully outstanding gameplay will keep this game going for many years to come. [On a side note, some DF fans are also making erroneous comparisons between Aventurine and CCP, the indie developer behind EvE. While they both began as small studios, and CCP has stayed true to the initial vision of their game as Aventurine are claiming to do, that's where the similarity ends. EvE, for all its complexity, is a relatively simple game. Graphically it's pretty undemanding, having very simple animation and environmental scenery, which makes it a LOT easier for them to set the stage for mass open PvP warfare (which even still suffers from lag issues). Aventurine is attempting a project on a completely different scale of graphic complexity and system demands, and as such faces a much greater challenge if they are to succeed.] Aye Darkfall will really be the next level of MMORPG:s. 2. Excessive rhetoric - the DF devs are talking up their product so much anyone might be forgiven for expecting the Second Coming of Christ. Forum communities these days (particularly around here) are a pretty jaded, cynical lot for the most part, so the tendency is for greater hyperbole to be matched by greater disbelief. The MMO landscape is already dotted so heavily with broken promises, failed projects and general disappointment that it's hard for anyone to believe the hype machine anymore. Aventurine's dev reports, with their lofty claims of nearing completion, of imminent Beta and of a revolutionization in MMO gaming, are merely adding fuel to the flame war. Nah, its not the Darkfall devs fault that some get very hyped on a game like Darkfall. Its the light in the tunnel for so many people. And personally i see the cause of all these flamewars coming from followers of other MMORPG games that for some reason have to every now and then log into the Darkfall board for some trolling. I never enter AoC or Warhammer board for some childish attempts to troll. Darkfall devs strongest side isnt promoting, on that we can agree i hope. Its a deliberately made choice from them since they wanna prioritate developing the game not making heavy advertisment campaigns. So the hype for Darkfall is the concept. Its something totally different from the games thats been developed since WoW entered the market. People long for something else. A dynamic, player driven game with a endless world with total freedom, full loot, risk vs rewards and hopefully a meaningful endgame is making the hype for Darkfall. And all the features of course.=) 3. The fan base - not since the pre-Vanguard hype have we seen such a zealous community so desperately defending the product they love, and this similarity is not lost to many forum users. Sometimes it seems less like a gaming community and more like a religious sect, such is the passion with which they shrilly leap to the defense of this game representing (or at least promising to represent) their hopes and dreams for the future of gaming. The fact that their belief relies in large part on faith (in the promises of Tasos et. al.), hope for a miracle (that such a small dev team can successfully deliver such a huge project) and attention-diverting witch hunts (AoC the latest sacrificial lamb on the pyre) only serve to cement this picture. And as with 2. above, the louder the cries the louder the retorts. Think i answered this one 10 lines up. Time will tell if this game ever manages to release, much less live up to its promises, but I for one certainly won't be holding my breath. There are too many other interesting projects on the much more tangible horizon which I'll be investing my time and money on, though I'll keep watching DF's progress (such as it is) with interest... if for nothing more than the entertainment value of watching a car crash unfolding slowly before my eyes. Aye agree, time will tell. Myself is 99% sure the game will be released and whether its a success will see. And no, there is not one interesting project on the horizon. Just more of the same crap so many MMORPG players learned to hate. There is actually a large growing numbers of former MMORPG players that dont have a MMORPG game that fit their playstyle. They cant find one MMORPG that suits them. Im one of them.
WoW you wasted alot of timeto type that didnt you.what are you trying to get? Funny thing is What you going to do when m right about this game? like argon said i would belive the devs over you unless they never have any body see the game which in fact they have every year. Ps the devs have actully been to honest with us. but you see you dont relize that do you. There game has allf eatures in its being optimized like TAso said what taso said is true he has no reason to lie to us. darkfalld evs know if they do. and when it goes beta and its not liek what they say it is then the game willd ie right then and there. 1. there is no game then 2. The game is going to put a shame to all these other mmos. And since we have conformation from diffrent people that the game is in dev and the devs treat the game like thre baby and are to stubbern not to put out a great game yea i think illt ake my chances. on darkfall then listing to a nobuddy Word of advice stop while your ahead
All you've actually said here is (a) you believe the promises because if they weren't true that would make the promise-makers look bad, and (b) the game will be as promised because the devs want it to be, and because they have no reason to lie (?!).
You definitely fit into the Blind Faith category there, chief.
WoW you wasted alot of timeto type that didnt you.what are you trying to get? Funny thing is What you going to do when m right about this game? like argon said i would belive the devs over you unless they never have any body see the game which in fact they have every year. Ps the devs have actully been to honest with us. but you see you dont relize that do you. There game has allf eatures in its being optimized like TAso said what taso said is true he has no reason to lie to us. darkfalld evs know if they do. and when it goes beta and its not liek what they say it is then the game willd ie right then and there. 1. there is no game then 2. The game is going to put a shame to all these other mmos. And since we have conformation from diffrent people that the game is in dev and the devs treat the game like thre baby and are to stubbern not to put out a great game yea i think illt ake my chances. on darkfall then listing to a nobuddy Word of advice stop while your ahead
All you've actually said here is (a) you believe the promises because if they weren't true that would make the promise-makers look bad, and (b) the game will be as promised because the devs want it to be, and because they have no reason to lie (?!).
You definitely fit into the Blind Faith category there, chief.
P.S. Macaroni hats... priceless!
honestly na im waiting to see if there lieing or not
but you saying they have bene lieing is BS very unfounded.
Guess we will see here very very soon.
Answer this please. What will you naysayers do when they have been honest with us for the most part. ? still troll and say all the testers and people playing are lieing ? because we cant show you vids of crafting or npcs running around
No clue why your pissed off about missed dates tho.
Honestly, for many of us, and I'm guessing a large enough chunk of people, care more about the actual pvp and general competition than the graphics. Therefore, I think that all Darkfall needs to do is present decent graphics but nothing that would be considered top of the market graphics. And, for a pvp based game that should probably be favored to keep the framerates down; even a top of the line rig will stutter when you get tons of player models together on the screen if they are high poly/texture size. Agree. There was a good description on latest developer journal from 2008-03-28 on playability and what hardware needed to play the game. http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3070-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-24-Full-Freedom-Gameplay-and-Substance [QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: The typical reaction to the screenshots has been for people to wonder what kind of beast they're going to need to play the game. It's not like that at all. Everything in Darkfall has been optimized for speed since it has been made for massive warfare. To give you an idea, you could get good gameplay displaying graphics like our latest screenshots using an average - above average system and a Geforce 6600 graphics card. The graphics are very scalable, with the difference that you won't look at the screenshot graphics, and your own scaled-down graphics will look like crap in comparison. I see official screenshots from other games that look amazing, then I see some in-game screens and they're an insult. We don't have a 'screenshot setting only' to sell you the game - all of Darkfall's graphics settings are fully useable. Furthermore, the Darkfall engine can be set to auto-scale real-time to maintain your desired framerate. Our number one priority is gameplay, and this is why the graphics have just recently started coming along in a big way. Having said that, the screenshots and videos still do not do the live game justice...your game screen will look far better than anything we've shown you so far.[/QUOTE] Sounds promising concerning good playablility. Having said that sometimes taking a screenshot of a game doesn't exactly give the full impression of that game's environmental looks and feel. For example, one of the things that impressed me about WoW is that the environments were very rich and deep, even compared to things today, and felt in a sense like you were part of the environment. The foliage, grass, the jungles and even the deserts just felt plausible and there. This statement from Tasos make me believe Darkfall will be as good as or better then WoW:s enviroment. From latest dev journal 2008.03-28. http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3070-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-24-Full-Freedom-Gameplay-and-Substance [QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: The size of the world: From the ones we know about, It's at least more than twice the land area size of the largest announced or released MMO out there. This world is also seamless and zoneless. You won't see people popping up everywhere, or camping your zone drop. We feel that this is crucial for a PvP game. To run from one end to another at regular running speed could take more than 8 hours. This is just an estimate: It could take less or more time depending on your route. It's not the exact size of the world which is that important though, it's what's in it. We could conceivably make an endless barren world but what's the point of that? In Darkfall our world is full of content, we keep adding more every day and it's all usable: Movement is not restricted, you don't have to stick to road travel, there are no invisible walls, no impassable mountains. Furthermore, you can go to places we didn't necessarily mean for you to go to by running, swimming, diving, climbing, using ladders, elevators, get blasted up, boosted up...any way you can get there, we've placed no restrictions. The scale of the Darkfall world is closer to realism than any other MMO we've seen. In Darkfall snowcaps are earned. This effectively multiplies the size of the world in a much bigger way than in most scaled down MMO worlds. [/QUOTE] Games like Everquest 2, Vanguard or even LoTRO have awesome screenshot graphics but when you start running around the environments and seeing them up close you begin to see the fakeness to them. The feeling of being in a man made environment. Darkfall seems to deliver better ingame graphics then the screenies published. Dev journal 2008-03-28. http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3070-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-24-Full-Freedom-Gameplay-and-Substance [QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: Having said that, the screenshots and videos still do not do the live game justice...your game screen will look far better than anything we've shown you so far.[/QUOTE] Darkfall's environment is PvP and if they capture PvP very well they capture their target audience. I love PvP and i'd accept graphics from the year 2000 if the PvP is great. Alot of people out there are like that and again, as I mentioned above, if Darkfall can get the PvP right they don't need to compete graphically with AoC or WAR. So everytime someone comes in here and disses on the graphics for Darkfall they fail to realize that if Darkfall has genre topping graphics thats just a bonus not a requirement for it. Aye gameplay is number one.
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"When it comes to World of Warcraft, it's going to run up to World of Warcraft and kick it in its knees, I think", product manager Erling Ellingsen quipped about the forthcoming MMO before adding: "It's never going to get the number of players World of Wacraft has".
Time to appoint a visit to the doctor m8.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
I'm saying that AoC won't have millions of subscribers. I mean hell, how many MMO's out there can actually boast having 1 mil subscribers? And you're talking about millions of players on a game that probably won't run well on most people's computers.
WoW has millions because it has simple, fun gameplay that people who have never ever even thought about playing a computer game let alone an MMO can jump right in and start playing with minimal problems. It also runs on a lot of low end computers meaning that the gaming newbie doesn't have to shell out a lot of money for it.
And as far as Darkfall hitting those numbers, well I think it'll be kind of hard if they are centering mostly on PvP because they will be excluding the more casual-geared audiences which are starting to flock to the mmo market.
That being said, people need to learn that a game does nto have to hit WoW numbers to be successful. If Darkfall gets 200,000+ people playing it, that should be enough to keep the game running and updating right? I really hope that the WoW logic doesn't keep killing off potentially good games
Indeed, I think DF devs would be happy with 200k steady subs. If they are lucky and do their marketing right, they may even hit 500k IF they reach all those disgrunted "I hate endgame" players.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
If anything WAR will hit a Million before Darkfall and AoC because WAR has a huge following on the table top games.
WoW has alot of players because its a Warcraft game. I admit, I decided to leave EQ1 (bad mistake) for WoW because I was a huge Diablo/Warcraft fan and figured it would be alone the same lines. I played for almost 2 years and left again.
Graphics are nice to have but its all about gameplay to me. If a game looks great but the game play sucks, I will not play long.... If the graphics suck but the game play is great, i will play for a long time.
Check out Mount & Blade, not great graphics but a kick ass game.
Sooner or Later
I agree with aiwe2143 and TdogSkal.. maybe, and just a huge maybe WAR can hit above one million subs, but no other mmo releasing in the near future will even come close. Some ppl are so far away from reality that to even think about anythink like that. And for AoC.. their high system requirements alone disqualify it for very high subs.. just hardcore gamers will upgrade their system for a game.
However, if both(WAR and AoC) release this year we will see it.. and Darkfall will neither release this year nor will it even come near to one million subs.. the 200k mark is a good one.. everything else is wishful dreaming.
While i do agree with your statement i will never understand how WoW has OK graphics and terrible gameplay yet is so freaking popular.You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
Well if you wanted to have any credibilty left you wouldnt have said and i quote-
[QUOTE] I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old. [QUOTE].
You havent the faintest idea how Darkfall graphics have improved over the years, not a single clue. A statement like that cant be taken in any other way then youre trolling. Compare Darkfall screenshots from different years-
6 years ago, 2002: http://www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/2002/df_2002_009.jpg.html
5 years ago, 2003: http://www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/2003/7b.jpg.html
4 years ago, 2004: http://www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/2004/2004_12_5.jpg.html
3 years ago, 2005: http://www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/2005/darkfall05112803_1133163059.jpg.html
2 years ago, 2006: http://www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/2006/javaw_2006_11_01_04_07_13_0.jpg.html
1 year ago, 2007: http://www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/2007/clan_siege_02.jpg.html
2008: http://www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/Darkfall+2008/mirdain_01.jpg.html
Any seeable improvements?
theres a screenshot of the Ui not sure wha it looks like know but i bet its pretty close to that.
I can tell they been constanly updating the style : ) and gfx i mean theres alot of hidden trickes there using But it still looks good the game is aimed at a wide range of system not just high end systems
You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
i didnt call you a jerk to offend you i was just saying i asked oyu you to point out what it actulyl wrong with the gfx and you cant even do that... your saying the gfx are 6 year old LMAO your crazy ffxi is 6 years old gfx darkfall is dx9 know i do belive at least high end 8. doing TR and AOc graphics is crazy youw ill never get open world with that as of right now.
You are right, graphics dont make the game (though i like good graphics). I would play a game with the feel of original EQ or DAOC right now with those same graphics and have no problem with it.
What is really sad is die hard PVPers have been wanting a game made for them for so long that they are willing to except Darkfall graphics (which i really think are bad).
Im by no means a die hard PVP but i really think you guys should have gotten an upgrade to Shadowbane long before now. And i will never understand people coming on and blasting Darkfall who have no intention of playing a hardcore pvp game. I dont know if it will ever release or not but i hope that it does. We need more games out that dont follow the CRAP WoW ,linear, quest driven, no challenge blueprint.
ok go into detail why you think there bad
there not top of the line there meant to be able to hold 100 vs 100 battles with out lag so there using some tricks to make it look good but still not be that good if graphics meant anything alot of games wouldnt be falling atm like gods and heroes was pretty good gfx wise but wait it got cancelled graphics dont make the game
please know it all tell us what is wrong with the gfx that make them bad with out being an jerk about it.
Glad you hope it comes out : )
Know it all jerk????
Listen, i understand that people come on here and bust on your game pretty constantly, so maybe it caught you off guard that I WASNT.
Saying graphics look bad is completely a personal opinion, so when i said that the graphics look pretty bad that was MY opinion.
I guess i could go into detail about why i think they dont look good but what does it matter, it is still my opinion. I guess i will simplify it by saying the graphics look like they are 6+ years old, which is because they are 6+ years old.
And why is me saying that bad, by the topic of this thread im pretty sure everyone knows that the graphics arnt that good. Thus the title "Graphics: They dont matter in Darkfall"
But again, i hope your game comes out. PVP diehards have waited a long time for a game like this.
And, my favorite game to this day is still EQ, with those graphics. So i know that graphics dont make the game.
People who just came on and said "Darkfall is junk and will never launch" got less crap then i did. You Darkfall fans are a strange bunch.
i didnt call you a jerk to offend you i was just saying i asked oyu you to point out what it actulyl wrong with the gfx and you cant even do that... your saying the gfx are 6 year old LMAO your crazy ffxi is 6 years old gfx darkfall is dx9 know i do belive at least high end 8. doing TR and AOc graphics is crazy youw ill never get open world with that as of right now.
Well, i am big enough to admit when i might be wrong so i did somemore research on Darkfall. I am still finding alot of screens that i think do not look very good at all but i have seen some posted on this thread and the Darkfall vs AOC from 2008 that look alot better.So i guess i will say that i stand corrected. I still dont think the enviroment detail is all that good but the characters have gotten alot better. And yes i do understand why Darkfall has chosen to use the graphics that they have and agree that it is the right choice.
I am more a fan of realistic graphics in games. As far as characters graphics i would rate them:
1. Vanguard on top (but yes, since it is seamless the outstanding graphics do present a problem for most machines)
2. AOC (not quite as good as VG in my opinion, and with zones vis seamless it should help non 8800 computers run the game at a decent rate).
3. Tie between Darkfall and EQ2. (many didnt like EQ2 graphics but i did)
I also think Lineage 2 is a beautiful game but i am not a fan of the anime type graphics as much.
So yes, you were right. Darkfall has improved quite a bit. Certainly its graphics are no longer something i would shy away from. I have never played a full PVP game before so the carebear in me shys away from Darkfall but i may give it a shot. It looks like it has pretty good racial diversity and the mounts look pretty good. Armor detail is nice and hopefully wont be over the top like WoW armors.
yea i never played a full pvp game either : )
but i want a sandbox mmo skill based not these other mmos ><
Who cares about graphics.... on a game that will probably never be released!!!
Who cares about graphics.... on a game that will probably never be released!!!
lol to bad i know it will
Who cares about graphics.... on a game that will probably never be released!!!
lol to bad i know it will
youre not that mystery guild member who visited the devs.... are you?
na he types better than me. But the game is still under heavy dev its the only game the company is working on it would be stupid not to release it after all this time. dont you think? If the peole that have visted them havent lied to us then it will release when i realyl cant say on that ut. if i betted you. i would win sooner or later.
Sorry but i dont play carebear games like AoC with instances, no loot, no free PvP nor consequences.
But you have fun with you streamlined WoW-copy.=)
Seems I hit a DF fanboy cord. Anyway, nice attempt at making an upset with the ever original carebear dribble.I could call you a carebear for looking for an adrenaline rush, and some sort of accomplishment from a computer game... go join the military if you're so hardcore.
What about kill anyone you want on a PvP server is carebear? That sounds a lot like free PvP to me.
I like to play games from established developers... not some random start up who hasn't a clue what they're doing. Imagine how bad the game support/balance/quality is going to be if they are having a hard time even getting it developed in the first place.
Enjoy Darkfall while it lasts... if it ever even exists.
Wheres the loot?=)
Wheres the consequences if you live or die?=)
Where is the open totally free world?=)
Where is the dynamic player driven world?=)
AoC is just another carebear game for kids that wanna play safe.
Darkfall gameplay will be so much fun. Cant wait to play in another dynamic player driven world, just like UO but in 3-D.=)
Where's the game? Oh that's right, still "polishing and shining while trying to decide on a publisher, but we could move into Beta anytime we want".
I do have to applaud Darkfall for one thing though: they're the first computer game to truly take RPG back to its tabletop roots, since you have to use your imagination to be able to play it. Sadly for DF fans the most hardcore PvP y'all will ever experience is right here on these flame forums. Make the most of it kids... this IS Darkfall.
lol ok you keep thinking that when i come back and say i told you so dont go crying to your mom.
Ill be saying it at the latest june/july earlest april mayish
Sorry but i dont play carebear games like AoC with instances, no loot, no free PvP nor consequences.
But you have fun with you streamlined WoW-copy.=)
Seems I hit a DF fanboy cord. Anyway, nice attempt at making an upset with the ever original carebear dribble.I could call you a carebear for looking for an adrenaline rush, and some sort of accomplishment from a computer game... go join the military if you're so hardcore.
What about kill anyone you want on a PvP server is carebear? That sounds a lot like free PvP to me.
I like to play games from established developers... not some random start up who hasn't a clue what they're doing. Imagine how bad the game support/balance/quality is going to be if they are having a hard time even getting it developed in the first place.
Enjoy Darkfall while it lasts... if it ever even exists.
Wheres the loot?=)
Wheres the consequences if you live or die?=)
Where is the open totally free world?=)
Where is the dynamic player driven world?=)
AoC is just another carebear game for kids that wanna play safe.
Darkfall gameplay will be so much fun. Cant wait to play in another dynamic player driven world, just like UO but in 3-D.=)
Where's the game? Oh that's right, still "polishing and shining while trying to decide on a publisher, but we could move into Beta anytime we want".
I do have to applaud Darkfall for one thing though: they're the first computer game to truly take RPG back to its tabletop roots, since you have to use your imagination to be able to play it. Sadly for DF fans the most hardcore PvP y'all will ever experience is right here on these flame forums. Make the most of it kids... this IS Darkfall.
Well games isnt playable before they is in beta or released. Was the same with WoW, Warhammer and Age of Conan. And youre right they been been and still are in discussions with publishers who present a good and viable alternative to theirs self-publishing plan. They had a publisher for the game Darkfall since 2002 in the company Aventurine. EvE selfpublished and it went very well.
And aye the game is just about finished. All features are in, graphics have been picking up alot last year so all seems to be doing real swell. I quote Tasos Flambouras from 11th of januari 2008- http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2796-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-21-Summary-Status
[QUOTE] Overall, we have a near complete implementation of the game, speaking of the technology and our feature list. A few things that are not implemented yet but in the works are some clan controls, the environment system, and some AI optimizations. The Darkfall AI resembles Quake bots in the Darkfall context of course. They are not the stupid predictable AI you meet in most MMOs, waiting around to meet their fate. They challenge the player and help train him since they behave like someone's controlling them. A new tabbed message system is also being implemented where you can move and arrange your tabs anywhere and any way you like. It's full of cool features like for example you can drag and drop items in there to show someone their stats, or you can arrange for your kill messages to pop up FPS style in the middle of your screen etc.
We're running the game through proper QA testing at the moment, and doing full optimizations to make sure everything will run smoothly even when demands on the game are high.
Content of course is demanding a lot of our attention, and at the moment we're building and placing infrastructure like roads, towers etc, still adding quests, and art assets for these are continually being made. Sounds are being added to everything and more effects on spells and wherever else they're needed. [/QUOTE]
And guess what, i do believe more in the devs of Darkfall then some Darkfall troll like you wanting to add another useless +1 post to your account.
Nope, I just can't believe it. Time and again your response to any negative forum post is to quote the silver-tongued Tasos Flambouras' promises... promises which have been repeated for years now, with no concrete evidence to back them up (I say "no evidence" because the screenshots and `movies' which exist could quickly and easily have been cooked up as promos/demos independent of an actual game framework existing).
It's gotten to the point now where Aventurine's consistent lack of delivery is creating so much bad press amongst the gamer community, even among people who might have once been interested in a game like Darkfall, that there doesn't seem to be ANY good reason why they don't show something that might quiet the rumbling masses... except of course the obvious reason: that they don't have anything concrete to show.
And even that isn't such a big problem in itself - I think almost everyone here understands that Aventurine is a small indie company trying to step into the very complex world of MMO development, and that as such that they're likely to take a lot longer to produce anything than a more heavily staffed and funded studio. The real problems with this whole Darkfall debacle, as I see it, are:
1. Biting off more than they can chew - by attempting a project of such vast size and scope, with a feature list that would make most AAA MMO studios shudder, Aventurine are getting caught in the trap (with their comparatively small number of devs) of not being able to produce quickly enough to keep up with the passing of time and, hence, tech capability and peoples' expectations. This is especially evident (getting back to the original thread topic at last!) in the dated-looking graphic models. It's all well and good to say "they're low-polycount to keep bandwidth usage down" but the fact is these graphics are already looking clunky by today's standards... imagine how bad they'll look by the contemporary standards when (/if) they finally release, let alone 2 or 3 years later, the minimum lifespan an MMO would be shooting for.
[On a side note, some DF fans are also making erroneous comparisons between Aventurine and CCP, the indie developer behind EvE. While they both began as small studios, and CCP has stayed true to the initial vision of their game as Aventurine are claiming to do, that's where the similarity ends. EvE, for all its complexity, is a relatively simple game. Graphically it's pretty undemanding, having very simple animation and environmental scenery, which makes it a LOT easier for them to set the stage for mass open PvP warfare (which even still suffers from lag issues). Aventurine is attempting a project on a completely different scale of graphic complexity and system demands, and as such faces a much greater challenge if they are to succeed.]
2. Excessive rhetoric - the DF devs are talking up their product so much anyone might be forgiven for expecting the Second Coming of Christ. Forum communities these days (particularly around here) are a pretty jaded, cynical lot for the most part, so the tendency is for greater hyperbole to be matched by greater disbelief. The MMO landscape is already dotted so heavily with broken promises, failed projects and general disappointment that it's hard for anyone to believe the hype machine anymore. Aventurine's dev reports, with their lofty claims of nearing completion, of imminent Beta and of a revolutionization in MMO gaming, are merely adding fuel to the flame war.
3. The fan base - not since the pre-Vanguard hype have we seen such a zealous community so desperately defending the product they love, and this similarity is not lost to many forum users. Sometimes it seems less like a gaming community and more like a religious sect, such is the passion with which they shrilly leap to the defense of this game representing (or at least promising to represent) their hopes and dreams for the future of gaming. The fact that their belief relies in large part on faith (in the promises of Tasos et. al.), hope for a miracle (that such a small dev team can successfully deliver such a huge project) and attention-diverting witch hunts (AoC the latest sacrificial lamb on the pyre) only serve to cement this picture. And as with 2. above, the louder the cries the louder the retorts.
Time will tell if this game ever manages to release, much less live up to its promises, but I for one certainly won't be holding my breath. There are too many other interesting projects on the much more tangible horizon which I'll be investing my time and money on, though I'll keep watching DF's progress (such as it is) with interest... if for nothing more than the entertainment value of watching a car crash unfolding slowly before my eyes.
WoW you wasted alot of timeto type that didnt you.what are you trying to get?
Funny thing is What you going to do when m right about this game?
like argon said i would belive the devs over you unless they never have any body see the game which in fact they have every year.
Ps the devs have actully been to honest with us.
but you see you dont relize that do you.
There game has allf eatures in its being optimized like TAso said what taso said is true he has no reason to lie to us. darkfalld evs know if they do. and when it goes beta and its not liek what they say it is then the game willd ie right then and there.
1. there is no game then
2. The game is going to put a shame to all these other mmos.
And since we have conformation from diffrent people that the game is in dev and the devs treat the game like thre baby and are to stubbern not to put out a great game yea i think illt ake my chances. on darkfall then listing to a nobuddy
Word of advice stop while your ahead
I cant get the thought of colored macaroni hats and necklaces out of my head each time I see you post.
All you've actually said here is (a) you believe the promises because if they weren't true that would make the promise-makers look bad, and (b) the game will be as promised because the devs want it to be, and because they have no reason to lie (?!).
You definitely fit into the Blind Faith category there, chief.
P.S. Macaroni hats... priceless!
All you've actually said here is (a) you believe the promises because if they weren't true that would make the promise-makers look bad, and (b) the game will be as promised because the devs want it to be, and because they have no reason to lie (?!).
You definitely fit into the Blind Faith category there, chief.
P.S. Macaroni hats... priceless!
honestly na im waiting to see if there lieing or not
but you saying they have bene lieing is BS very unfounded.
Guess we will see here very very soon.
Answer this please. What will you naysayers do when they have been honest with us for the most part. ? still troll and say all the testers and people playing are lieing ? because we cant show you vids of crafting or npcs running around
No clue why your pissed off about missed dates tho.
Aoc has had plenty