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you dont pay anything extra.
you just contradicted yourself. Preorders are used to be money makers prior to game launch by the developers. You are just ensuring by preordering they get a small amount of money prior to launch and then the rest at launch, so even if you cancel the game, devs still get $5 per pre order (or whatever the amount is)
If that is the case, then why can I go in and change my mind and put my $5 on another game? I have quite a few times spent $5 on a game, got into a beta (DDO for example), realized I didn't like it, then swapped my $5 for something else.
I don't see the big deal or any risk in a pre order. All you are doing is handing over $5 to make sure you get a copy the day it comes out.
I have never seen that in all my years of gaming, where you can take your $5 or whatever the initial fee is and transfer it. Once you pay the 5 bucks its done. While i agree $5 is nothing to cry over...look at games like Dark and Light, which promised the world, and never delivered. say if even 10k people preordered the game, the company still made 50k off preorders.
Then you are pre-ordering at the wrong places. I have done this at Gamestop/EB more than once.
I always pre-order mmorpgs (if I intend to buy them)
PreOrdered AO, DAOC, EQ2, WOW, GuildWars
my only regret was Anarchy Online (looks at you Funcom) - but cant win them all
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you dont pay anything extra.
you just contradicted yourself. Preorders are used to be money makers prior to game launch by the developers. You are just ensuring by preordering they get a small amount of money prior to launch and then the rest at launch, so even if you cancel the game, devs still get $5 per pre order (or whatever the amount is)
If that is the case, then why can I go in and change my mind and put my $5 on another game? I have quite a few times spent $5 on a game, got into a beta (DDO for example), realized I didn't like it, then swapped my $5 for something else.
I don't see the big deal or any risk in a pre order. All you are doing is handing over $5 to make sure you get a copy the day it comes out.
I have never seen that in all my years of gaming, where you can take your $5 or whatever the initial fee is and transfer it. Once you pay the 5 bucks its done. While i agree $5 is nothing to cry over...look at games like Dark and Light, which promised the world, and never delivered. say if even 10k people preordered the game, the company still made 50k off preorders.
i work at a gamestop and see it on a very regular basis.but i cant speak for any other stores out there.
If the combat system is unwieldy and feels like a button mash or if the zones feel small and/or artificially constrained in size where I'm running into invisible walls and feel like it is constantly blocking me for no reason.
Either of these issues or the combination to a degree will cause me to cancel.
Bugs that are game stoping of really irritating will cause me to cancel.
Generally I'm pretty tollerant of things and I don't expect to cancel and will be very disappointed if I do have to. Ha I'm tollerant cause I like Vanguard still so if I cancel this game is going to really need to be bad.
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Hmm, well lets continue with this hypothetical conversation.
I would not cancel my preorder (had I been inclined to preorder) based off a thinly veiled reference to someone having actively played the Beta and knowledge of the issues found there. I mean, hypothetically speaking - if say someone actually did play beta and agreed to the NDA and then came in and made such a post which cites issues but doesn't back them up - I would not willingly trust their opinion. Because there is no way for me to verify that this knowledge is first hand or through some other source. And if said poster was willing to infract the NDA a little but only to th benefit of their post - why not break it all the way and benefit the community. Seeing as said person has admitted that they most likely will not being playing the game in the future.
That and the fact that there are so many undefined variables that are seemingly poster specific that how could I know that the several of the issues may in fact be user related? I would feel inclined though to keep my preorder to try things out for myself thus testing the game under conditions controlled by myself and that pertain to me. Hence in the end, I would feel that I gave the game my best effort to see if it fit for me and not relied on a vague post that is neither hot nor cold by design
Hypothetically speaking, of course.
My opinion from people I do know who played the some of beta said the game, there bound to NDA im not, told me that the game was unbalanced PVP wise as of the last time i spook with them. The game has its bugs but thats what is the focus of the Funcom team as of late because they want to release the game and get it out there intact. I personally believe the game will get delayed one more time but that will the last time.
As to the guy who said all mmo's release bad is not a problem on most of the games its just the fact that instead of have roughly 5000-whatever number of testers they use which i know isnt over 50k to haveing 200k+ people logging on and playing. And you just cant really predict what will happen. Not everyone logs on for open beta i usually forget there is one half the time. But i agree with the guy who says do your research and if you think you will enjoy the game go for it. I think if they keep to the conan lore this game will be a awesome game. I've been reading the books and the story line is more then enough to keep gamers entertained. Just will have to wait and see
I've built a new computer not just for this game but also WAR and it's only £25 for the game so I won't cancel even if it turns out to be lame.
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I don't think I would cancel my pre-order. Typically I don't put much faith in what is said on forums. Ppl who simply don't like the game are gonna complain the loudest while ppl who enjoy the game aren't gonna spend all that much time on forums stating all of it's good points.
I have tried every game on the released games list over the years. N many haven't held my interest for that long. Perhaps Conan won't either...but I will find out on my own, not paying attention to the complainers. Cause the complainers will goto every game n bitch about something they don't like.
And currently no games on the 'Games in Development' list interest me except Conan. So they get my money...if the game sucks...well it is my money n not yours I lost...so it is nobody else's busness...
@ OP
Purely hypothetical?
Possibly, point 3 with the AO ref., as I'd need to see it for myself.
Followed by point 2, if the loads often exceed the 3min mark, after launch, which about the time it takes for grabbing a drink or taking a smoke/bio break.
Points 1 and 4 don't mean much to me.
As the 1st, concerns open access to space without purpose, therefore, is nothing more than wasted space adding to load times. The randomness of the npc and terrain generation were always part of the game concept so that passing through the same area or playing multiple characters wouldn't feel exactly the same, time and time again.
Last up, point 4, (being beta) the seemingly pointless battlekeep pvp would be best explained by being involved in sieges as part of a mass-PUG and not a guild with highend crafters which would end up benefiting the entire clan overall, by claiming the grounds and maintaining a battlekeep.
Being someone that's tried my share MMO's and has had my fill of the currently available titles. I'm among the hard sells to try and turn away from anything that promises a different style in gameplay. Though, I do appreciate your concerns for my time and money.
Other than what you've stated,..
The Second Coming closely followed by the highly anticipated Global light-show, hypotheticaly.
.../shrug
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if there were no invesible walls then the system requirments will have to be extremly high
Well i certainly wont be cancelling my pre-order as i placed it a year ago at play.com and got it for £17.99 and now the price is up to £24.99...plus i just got informed im getting an ingame war rhino mount for ordering it also.
Cant really grumble at that price and it cant be any worse that WoW and Lotro were as i beta tested both and although they had their fair share of bugs they turned out alright in the end..
Beta testing is as they say "testing" and its for sincere testers to find the faults and the bugs and get them reported so dev 's can put it right,doubt the game will be perfect but then which game ever has been from day 1 retail release or there would be no such things as patch updates,so i wont slate the game until its like 6 months down the line of retail release and its still playing like pants with no signs of the problems being fixed.And if that does happen i will go to War as these are the both games i have been watching for a long time now.
Do have a real life m8 whose playing beta and he does say its got a few probs and bugs but overall it has a lot of promise and isnt a bad game at all and it really suits the skillful player more than the button bashing ones.
Played with him in DAoC,Wow and Lotro and to be honest hes a bit of a perfectionist
and will tell it as it is,so the fact that hes not told me to avoid this game like the plague means it cant be all that bad...
Time will tell though but im willing to give it the benefit of the doubt from a person i know rather than someone i dont until i've tried it for myself.
I have never preordered.Frankly after the way the PRAYER TO THE GODS contest was so badly handled...I have cooled from my fevered interest for the game("say what you are going to do.....do what you said you were going to do")Their jerking players around for weeks after they said they would give results spoke volumes to me.I'm involved with other things and have news sites like MMORPG to send me emails of happenings I am interested in hearing about.
I never pre-order. The chances that I won't be able to buy a copy of the game on release day are so remote as to be next to impossible.
Ok, Gamestop may be sold out, but Bestbuy will always have a copy for me
Hmmm if they failed to implement ranged mounted combat.... oh wait they already have failed!
Assuming my senses have not failed me, and I haven't been hallucinating through half the development phase, half of those possibilities are not possibilities at all, and the other half are bloody unlikely.
With that in mind, little short of Gaute Godager having a heart attack and SOE or EA buying the title up would make me cancel.
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Ditto I found from Vanguard that I will never pre-order again.
Your funeral mate..
Honestly i dont know why i even bother anymore, it seems people will never learn from the past (dnl, vanguard, ddo)
Do yourselves a favour and cancel the preorder until youve tried open beta at least. You have absolutely nothing to lose.
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If you truly want this game to succeed then please dont speak on things you so clearly know nothing about mate. The only way to raise awareness and stop the devs from releasing a terrible open beta (which will murder this game) is if more people cancel their pre-orders. The devs are getting REALLY comfortable atm due to the huge hype surrounding this game, which will assure they get a buck or two from people like you.
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Your funeral mate..
Honestly i dont know why i even bother anymore, it seems people will never learn from the past (dnl, vanguard, ddo)
Do yourselves a favour and cancel the preorder until youve tried open beta at least. You have absolutely nothing to lose.
My hypothetical funeral given to me by a hypothetical person hypothetically in the know who also knows exactly what I hypothetically like and or am willing to fogo in order to enjoy my time in an mmo.That being said, I do see see your point about the open beta. I believe you are spot on in some variation of your opinion that the open beta will definately justify holding onto the preorder or letting it slide until they make it a better game should it be substandard at that time.
Hay Pirrg, I agree with you however D&D online is much much better now, It's actually picking up a lot and giving free updates that are as big as expansion packs, but your right with a bad launch it caused damage.
If you truly want this game to succeed then please dont speak on things you so clearly know nothing about mate. The only way to raise awareness and stop the devs from releasing a terrible open beta (which will murder this game) is if more people cancel their pre-orders. The devs are getting REALLY comfortable atm due to the huge hype surrounding this game, which will assure they get a buck or two from people like you.
Hey Pirrg I will guarentee that Aelfinn knows more about the game that you. Have your opinion fine, don't try and push your own preferance on the developement with your own ideals and pass it off as everyone else's "cup of tea"....
Pirrg should be able to post what he feels like !
I'm not gonna pre-order this cuz I'm scared the hype will actually dissapoint some people 5/20/08.
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It would be nice if Amazing Avery would tone down the expert advice a bit !