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The Great Darkfall Conspiracy
Just saw the thread about the new screen shots and was curious.
Not trying to be a jerk, or a troll, but I am curious. If this game is not really being developed, what have they to gain from deceiving us with dev updates?
I mean, the game is either being developed or not, right?
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Among Darkfall skeptics, there are two camps: one camp believes the Darkfall "developers" milk the game as their cash cow and just want to keep the money flowing; the second camp believes the Darkfall developers are in over their heads and won't be able to release a final product, especially not a product with as many features as they have promised.
I'm in the second camp. I don't necessarily believe the screenshots are fake, but consider: there is a huge difference between creating a world a single programmer can run around in, and creating a true MMO* world that won't crash every other minute.
I don't think its necessarily two camps. You don't have to think the screenshots are fake to think they are milking this cash cow.
What they are basically doing is this:
All that and the information they get this way is being used to charm investors to pump as much money as possible into this project.
I am not making this up, this is how most enterprises start when they don't have the financial backing or a sound finance plan / business plan at first. A friend of mine has sold screenshots of a website to an investor, used to money he got to hire web programmers who actually built the site then. I even sold a powerpoint presentation once, thats how entrepreneurs work, especially with venture capital.
The only problem with Darkfall is, that they not only tricked investors with it, but also fanboys, who are out there trying to defend Darkfall for whatever reason. My prognosis is that Darkfall will either remain what it is now: Vaporware - or they will find a large enough investor to hire a project manager and devs to built it, at which point it will be clear, that the game won't be released before 2010, which would conclude a total of development time of 10 years.
It would be really fun if we could see the headlines on a newspaper "Darlfall was just a big hoax".
That would really make it hard for anyone else to make a MMO.
But i just think the project got announced to early, thats all. And peope whine when a game is released two years to early and they whine when it takes two years to long. Still, we havent seen anything in the same scale as DF beeing devekoped...so noone can say how long it would take.
There was a house of commons chat, and they said they were going to try and get darkfall out q4 of this year, but I would be happy if it released within the next 4 years rofl.
Star Trek Online development anyone?
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he will eat for a month!
Star Trek Online development anyone?
Star Trek online got sued and lost the rights. Wasn't a hoax.
star trek ended pretty damn fast hence why darkfal will be released.
because enough people have bene there to know this but the trolls dont beleive anyone.
i could slap them upside there heads with a final product and they still say its all lies lol
I don't think the whole debacle that occured w/ Perpetual and Gods & Heroes and Star Trek Online is the same situation as what's going on with Darkfall. I think the Perpetual guys intended from the start to try and make some really good MMO's, but b/c of mismanagement, etc, they got in WAAAAY over their heads and used up all their funding before they got anything finished and then their creditors got mad b/c they didn't have anything to show and would not give them any further funding for development and they lost everything.
I think the Darkfall situation is a bit different though. I'm not 100% sure they are actually intentionally trying to make a money grab, but if that is their only intention they seem to have done a great job at it b/c they have said they have gotten lots of funding from investors. On the other hand, they might have actually wanted to make an ambitious, revolutionary, open-PvP MMO and have just gotten in way over their heads and are slowly choking despite their claims that everything is just fine and the game will be released someday.
It's really hard to tell what's really going on with this project. Part of me tells me that it is just a scam and the devs are just living big off all that investment capital they have gotten, but another part of me hopes that isn't actually the case. Whatever is really going on I have a hard time believing that they will ever actually get a game out the door in a playable state until they allow some reputable people in their to get some hands on time with the game and come back and give a report. And by reputable I don't mean some guy that that is supposedly a leader of a guild that no one has every heard of that could possibly be one of the devs cousins or something. I mean a legitimate gaming journalist from a major publication or website that is allowed to get their hands on a build of the game. And don't give me that "they are focusing purely on the game and not on PR" BS, that doesn't fly here b/c it takes no more then 2 mins to burn up a disc and send it to a reputable journalist, or I'm sure with all the history of this game that a publication or website would pay for themselves to visit their studio for hands on time, it would cost the devs nothing.
In the end though, no one REALLY can say what the truth of the matter is, there are just opinions based on very little actual, verifiable information.
August 2004 is when STO was announced. Three and 1/2 years later they had NOTHING except mock ups to show for 10s of millions of investment dollars. There were no ingame screen shot, no anything. What was said to be ingame screen shots proved to be mock ups. PE got caught, eventually got sued, and went belly up because supposedly NCSoft pulled out of publishing the game.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
I feel a bit sorry for all Star Trek fans, hope it wont happen to DF. And i think if there was any danger to Aventurine, it should have happend years ago. So that means everything is ok (?).
No, it means they aren't trying to do a hit and run with nothing more than a screenshot.
I fully suspect Adventurine is USING the money they get in some form or another....probably investing it in their other projects which offer quicker returns so they do not get caught empty handed. Who knows? Either way, what an above poster mentioned is still very true and very common business practice. New crews DO sometimes use BS marketing pushes to GET the funds in order to actually hire people to begin building their own finances.
To be honest, its also accepted as a good business move....so long as you actually USE the money you conned from investors to make the product you fooled them into thinking you already had solid groundwork on. I think that STO team fell into the "other" group. You know, the ones that bank the money a jet to mexico.
No, it means they aren't trying to do a hit and run with nothing more than a screenshot.
I fully suspect Adventurine is USING the money they get in some form or another....probably investing it in their other projects which offer quicker returns so they do not get caught empty handed. Who knows? Either way, what an above poster mentioned is still very true and very common business practice. New crews DO sometimes use BS marketing pushes to GET the funds in order to actually hire people to begin building their own finances.
To be honest, its also accepted as a good business move....so long as you actually USE the money you conned from investors to make the product you fooled them into thinking you already had solid groundwork on. I think that STO team fell into the "other" group. You know, the ones that bank the money a jet to mexico.
nice theory there. darkfall is there only project
Who is the real risktakers here ?
The customers ? - Nope, no preorders and try before buy
The devs ? - They risk loosing their jobs and reputations
The investors ? - They risk loosing muliple millions and reputations
The whine in here is based on " the devs are not telling us anything - it must be vaporware. The whine comes from those who stands to loose nothing while those who risk something are very confident.
That means they know more than we do. That is fine because the game is still in development. When the time has come for us as consumers to choose what we're using our money on, we will have the chance to make an informed choice. We will be able to betatest a full version of it and even try before buy after release. We risk the least yet we whine the most. I guess we're not used to professionalism in the gaming industry. I mean, I don't hear much whining from the customers of music just because they cannot listen to "beta versions" of of their favourite artist. That is because they buy the finished product not some unfinished sample. The same should be true about games as well.
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No, it means they aren't trying to do a hit and run with nothing more than a screenshot.
I fully suspect Adventurine is USING the money they get in some form or another....probably investing it in their other projects which offer quicker returns so they do not get caught empty handed. Who knows? Either way, what an above poster mentioned is still very true and very common business practice. New crews DO sometimes use BS marketing pushes to GET the funds in order to actually hire people to begin building their own finances.
To be honest, its also accepted as a good business move....so long as you actually USE the money you conned from investors to make the product you fooled them into thinking you already had solid groundwork on. I think that STO team fell into the "other" group. You know, the ones that bank the money a jet to mexico.
nice theory there. darkfall is there only project
They do some other business apart of Darkfall. Its other companies in the group of companies Aventurine SA is a part of that actually attend for example defend conventions. Maybe some heavy money in those other companies?=)
http://df.warcry.com/news/view/68059
Aventurine currently employs 24 developers in-house and six professional contractors. The staff is international from Norway, Greece, Italy, the UK, the US, Denmark, and France. Its activities, other than Darkfall, are research into game and simulation technologies. We've also advised war-game simulation military projects in the past through other companies in our group, activities that have given us some valuable perspectives to be used in game development. The company also sponsors and supports sporting events, athletes, and competitive gaming tournaments. Aventurine is organized under the laws of Greece and the European Union as an S.A. Corporation.
They do some other business apart of Darkfall. Its other companies in the group of companies Aventurine SA is a part of that actually attend for example defend conventions. Maybe some heavy money in those other companies?=)
http://df.warcry.com/news/view/68059
Aventurine currently employs 24 developers in-house and six professional contractors. The staff is international from Norway, Greece, Italy, the UK, the US, Denmark, and France. Its activities, other than Darkfall, are research into game and simulation technologies. We've also advised war-game simulation military projects in the past through other companies in our group, activities that have given us some valuable perspectives to be used in game development. The company also sponsors and supports sporting events, athletes, and competitive gaming tournaments. Aventurine is organized under the laws of Greece and the European Union as an S.A. Corporation.
Thank you for that. The fans around here think they know EVERYTHING about Df and its team....I'm in shock that they somehow MISSED that the company making the game is...I dunno...A COMPANY. They do other stuff, just like Sony does other stuff and Vinvedi does other stuff.
This is twice of one these fans tried to call me out on saying their company has made plenty of other products as being a lie. Guess they don't realize that some of us actually check into the corporations that make stuff we are interested in. I love the fact that they obviously don't think at all when it comes to the realities of the business when they jump on the support wagon.
No, it means they aren't trying to do a hit and run with nothing more than a screenshot.
I fully suspect Adventurine is USING the money they get in some form or another....probably investing it in their other projects which offer quicker returns so they do not get caught empty handed. Who knows? Either way, what an above poster mentioned is still very true and very common business practice. New crews DO sometimes use BS marketing pushes to GET the funds in order to actually hire people to begin building their own finances.
To be honest, its also accepted as a good business move....so long as you actually USE the money you conned from investors to make the product you fooled them into thinking you already had solid groundwork on. I think that STO team fell into the "other" group. You know, the ones that bank the money a jet to mexico.
nice theory there. darkfall is there only project
Please tell me how you know any of the crap you spout off on this forum? Is your last name adventurine?
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They do some other business apart of Darkfall. Its other companies in the group of companies Aventurine SA is a part of that actually attend for example defend conventions. Maybe some heavy money in those other companies?=)
http://df.warcry.com/news/view/68059
Aventurine currently employs 24 developers in-house and six professional contractors. The staff is international from Norway, Greece, Italy, the UK, the US, Denmark, and France. Its activities, other than Darkfall, are research into game and simulation technologies. We've also advised war-game simulation military projects in the past through other companies in our group, activities that have given us some valuable perspectives to be used in game development. The company also sponsors and supports sporting events, athletes, and competitive gaming tournaments. Aventurine is organized under the laws of Greece and the European Union as an S.A. Corporation.
Thank you for that. The fans around here think they know EVERYTHING about Df and its team....I'm in shock that they somehow MISSED that the company making the game is...I dunno...A COMPANY. They do other stuff, just like Sony does other stuff and Vinvedi does other stuff.
This is twice of one these fans tried to call me out on saying their company has made plenty of other products as being a lie. Guess they don't realize that some of us actually check into the corporations that make stuff we are interested in. I love the fact that they obviously don't think at all when it comes to the realities of the business when they jump on the support wagon.
Most people know the above and it is common knowledge, do a little more looking around there is lots of interesting thinks you can learn about Aventurine. This is their first attempt at an MMO so they are taking on a lot hence the time it is taking them in relation to theie limited resources.
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well nvm that was a while ago they have projects now for other stuff
You know these are some very fine arguments on both sides of this issue but does it really matter? If Darkfall fails to release or releases and fails in the market what are any of us risking? Absolutely nothing. If Darkfall releases and it's a even a moderate success what have we all gained? A lot. I would say the risk vs. reward in this situation is very good in all of our favor so whether or not it succeeds or is even released is a mute point. When you(the consumer base) have nothing to lose and everything to gain it makes all of this discussion not amount to a hill of beans. As I've said before I like the concepts that this team have proposed for this project but I'll save my final judgment for the day I can log in and try it myself or the day that the whole thing gets officially scrapped. Until then I'll be watching it closely and patiently waiting, something I highly suggest the rest of you(both fanboi and hater) try as it will save you a lot of grief in the long run. This is just a game and does not warrant this kind of endless bickering and nit-picking.
Oh darn, there I go making sense again..........LOL
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This is the classic doubting Thomas story. See I can say I'm Jesus Christ all I want. Release some pictures of me in churches and crap. But unless I can show you the miracles - until I can prove my claim, it's not legit.
IMO, Darkfall will continue to be vapor until they have a beta that thousands of people are playing.
Does anyone remember that hoax MMORPG before Wish? It had four letters in its name. Supposedly the environment was dynamic where if you harvested too many trees the trees would disapear from that area or something. It wasn't LINK but it was something like that. It turned out to be a hoax.
I've kinda always thought Darkfall was a hoax. It actually would be a cool scientific experiment to see how long you could run a hoax for an MMO in development. Monitor the activity on the forums and hype, etc, to observe the fluctuation in fans. See how long they would stay interested, and what kinds of people would stay interested the longest and the shortest, etc.
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theres also mourning. and stuff how long did they last ? not very long before it was found out
Damn it man! you are not aware of what you have done!...you just bought back the age old topic "IS DARKFALL VAPOURWARE"..now...fanboys of WAR/AOC will unite to fight darkfall fanboys...my god..you just started another war man!
I believe Darkfall is actually some kind of social experiment to study addiction and Aragon100 is one of the doctor on the team paid to hype the game on these forums.
I believe the screenshots are fake and the game is not being developed.
I may be wrong, but after following this game for couple of years i think i'm right.
Well, it even got a person to make an account just to post his speculations. And who knows, our lives can be a illusion... A matrix... We're must find those pills
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