I thought i read in a post from mythic that game wont have actual stealth but like a camo type thing so it would make sense since mythic did say this in a post a few months ago. that there wont be a actual stealth system that alows you to stay stealthed like a Ranger or Hunter but rather you become transparent,consuming your surroundings. There has to be some sort of stealth because there is Camo in real life and in most games, it's called Sneaking...becoming completely invisible for 2 hours with no penalty for it besides slow movement is called stealth.
I'm talking about Rogues...I never bothered with druids they were to easy to kill back when i played lol.
WoW Stealth in my opinion is the worst stealth ever. You can't change my mind considering my own experiences during its incredibly unbalanced first year and a half.
I can tell no one on these boards play SWG because that has to officially be the most aggravating, buggy, and unfair stealth system that ever could be made. One hit kills on PVPers.... that is some utter bullshit.
Playing: Nada. Played: WAR, LOTRO, EVE, WoW, EQ2, SWG, STO Waiting: TOR
I just didn't see the game doing well after being in SWG beta...they were pretty disorganized during the phase I was in lol we didn't even get to combat they wer elike "Ok everyone lets make a band today!" and im like Gay! lol
...one shot stealth kills = uber lame....lets face it very few games have ever had an acceptable stealth system when it comes to using it in combat against another player...im hoping praying that if WAR plans to keep this stealth it remains obviously under powered in pvp.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I'm deeply dissapointed by this stupid mechanic called stealth and I got the impression they would not add it to the game.
However the question is now how EFFECTIVE the stealth will be in PvP. I don't care 1% how good it's in PvE but if it is a stupid "WoW-peekaboo" type of stealth which rogues uses I will chase WAR with a hammer set on fire
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I'm deeply dissapointed by this stupid mechanic called stealth and I got the impression they would not add it to the game. However the question is now how EFFECTIVE the stealth will be in PvP. I don't care 1% how good it's in PvE but if it is a stupid "WoW-peekaboo" type of stealth which rogues uses I will chase WAR with a hammer set on fire
It sounds as if its using up the action / morale points you need to use abilities. If tahts the case then staying stealth for to long is incredibly expensive and leaves you highly vunerable once you do pop out. It sounds great for scouting but not for peekaboo combat (thank god).
Btw make sure your hammer is on fire with the flames of almight anti gank justice
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
So stealth is in the game and they gave it to Witchhunters and Witch Elf.
"The Witch Hunter relies heavily on his ability to catch targets off guard or to distract them in the thick of a fight. A powerful melee fighter, he is at his most effective when he can move behind an enemy and unleash pistol shots or powerful strikes from his anointed blade upon them."
"By picking their targets carefully, the Witch Elf can win a fight in a short amount of time. A Witch Elf prefers to rapidly close with lightly armored targets, where their wicked poisons can find exposed flesh."
Phew, it's a good thing these 2 classes are nothing like WoW rogues...
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
WoW didn't invent positional attacks and poisons. But I'm sure we're all getting tired of that argument.
I remember they said at some point there won't be stealth in WAR.
I'm glad to see they'll change their opinions when they think it's needed to make the game more fun. It remains to be seen if stealth will make it more fun, but until they announce it officially we don't even know if stealth will make it into/stay in the game or how it will work.
I think it sounds fine, if it is as described here.
I believe it would be better if there was some kind of detection mechanic involved so that it could only be used in areas where there is some sort of "cover", like rocks, trees or buildings etc. To be able to use it on a flat wide open space in the middle of a salt flat is lame and should just be called what it is, invisibilty.
Maybe something that blended your colors with the background (more camo-ish if even possible) and while enabled would not allow a Tab next target to work on you. Though a manual mouse-target click could expose you as a target.
looks like theres a lot of new baby trolls trouncing for a first lick of flame here.
I'm not going to try to twist it like a WaR fanboy, They added stealth, oh well, the optimism of no stealth was fun while it lasted. I actually have to agree with Pheace here, and say we just can't trust what the Devs always spoon feed into our mouths. Am I mad? Yea a little, I mean I've had bad run ins with stealth but haven't we all at some point? At least they've had the smarts to give it a time limit so you don't have spend your time going around trying to hunt them down.
Just looks like a ugly version of WOW to me and Stealth is kool, people only cry about it cause theyc an't play their class properly and learn how to counter it.
Just looks like a ugly version of WOW to me and Stealth is kool, people only cry about it cause theyc an't play their class properly and learn how to counter it.
Thinking back on my past MMO experiences, players seem to do just the opposite.
When someone cannot play thier class properly they roll a stealther.
EDIT: Enough of the WoW comparisons already, I don't feel like opening my dead horse folder to post pics.
WoW Stealth in my opinion is the worst stealth ever. You can't change my mind considering my own experiences during its incredibly unbalanced first year and a half.
I would have to one up you with DAOC stealth in its early years. Someone next to you would just die and you never see what did it because the arrow came from half way across the valley or some little smurf would backstab you with a freaking two handed claymore (spear).
Keep in mind this was Mythic so they might not make the same mistake twice.
If u already have seen this, then sry for the double post.
Here is a vid showing the disciple in PvP action.
1.55 in to the vid, in the left side of the screen -> witch hunter coming out of stealth and shooting with gun. This surely means witch elf also has stealth.
EDIT: There is already a french source from the Paris convention that has already confirmed stealth for witch hunter and witch elf. Here is the thread about that from warhammeralliance: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31418
GTFO Troll. Until you can show me the info on the official warhammer site, all your so called "sources" are just bs.
World .... is .... crumbling ......
Seriously, lighten up, it's just a bit of stealth. i'm personally glad it's in. I hate the thought of always knowing where everything is just by looking at the situation, always knowing exactly how many people I'll face by giving it a quick look.
I like stealth and was hoping for assassins in WAR. It's too bad that they decided to implement witch elves with stealth instead of going for assassins.
WoW Stealth in my opinion is the worst stealth ever. You can't change my mind considering my own experiences during its incredibly unbalanced first year and a half.
I would have to one up you with DAOC stealth in its early years. Someone next to you would just die and you never see what did it because the arrow came from half way across the valley or some little smurf would backstab you with a freaking two handed claymore (spear).
Keep in mind this was Mythic so they might not make the same mistake twice.
Daoc had better stealth then WoW tbh,and btw claymore isnt a spear it's a sword
If, like said earlier in this post, stealth got, limited duration, large cooldown, waste energy (dunno if that's the name someone used earlier) so the stealthers wont be able to do large amount of damage quickly, it will probably be ok, as the only meaning of it will be to get closer to ranged classes... but that's my 2 cents.
I was actually sorta looking forward to witch hunters... but not anymore. I didn't want to play a wow rogue. I wanted to play a witch hunter.
what do i see?
WoW's talent trees(not in general, but for the WH, combat assassination and sub... lol)
Stealth
wow. epic phail.
Don't give me any bs "it's limited" "it's not important".
It is.
They would not give this ability to these classes unless these classes SUCKED and needed a fix. And they were like let's add stealthsetwe!@!%! WINZORZ!
The way stealth is currently in, it basically is for these classes to do exactly what rogues did in wow. Get into combat un noticed so you can do something before you die.
Can't wait for the war expansion so my witch hunter can use cloak of justice to remove all effects on himself and make him immune to evil magic for a few seconds.
This is ignoring the fact that stealth in any form does not fit what a witch elf is. And giving it to her disgusts me.
If they implant stealth like they have in TF2 (yes i know it is a FPS), but let me explain for the people that don't know the stealth there.
The spy class has stealth, however when you put stealth on, you van be invisible for max 20-25 seconds. You can't attack while you are in stealth. You have to put stealth off, that takes around 3 seconds, then you can attack. However even if you are invisible for that period you can't attack quick and when you put stealth mode off, they see the skill animation, so you are dead in a few seconds.
When they inplant this stealth, you use stealth to get behind them, turn off stealth and try to get them from behind, without them noticing you.
except it's going to work like this(at least from what i've gathered)
30 sec cooldown
90~ sec duration
Drains AP(mana?) over time while it's active.
Semi easily detectable
30 sec cooldown=every single time you see a enemy.
you have a good 10-20 seconds after seeing a enemy and hitting stealth, to get to them. It'll work just like stealth for rogues in wow.
Then you can be dpsing on your target.
Picture a rogue in a bg in wow. It'll work just like that only all the time, running around unstealthed, stealthing to start fights, and then continueing to fight once everyone else is attacking someone else, because of the following.
1. Low armor
2. Low hp
Sound like a rogue to you? does to me.
The only difference between it and WoWs rogue? You can't stalk people while stealthed. and you have to fight immediately instead of teasing them, or waiting.
But then again, guess what? It won't be PvE ganking. a rogue won't have to wait around and stalk, he will sneak into battles and start fighting. Or attack people when they are traveling solo just like wow rogues.
I like it. There are enough stealth haters that are going to play this game that it will be verry entertaining to see someone pop out of stealth in the battlefield. I can see it now............Massive fight 15vs15 for example. 15 on one side fighting 14 on the other, all of a sudden a stealther pops out. Now its 15 vs 1 as all 15 on one side stop attacking there current target, destroys the stealther and then goes back to the normally schedualed program.
There will be thoes that play the class with stealth regardless of how usless it is simply because the class has stealth. Do I wish stealth was in? Nah. Does it really bother me if its implimented as others have suggested? Nah not really. It might make it more fun it may not, only time (and a stinking beta invite) will tell.
The morale of the story is that you will be terribly gimped in a fight if you are a habitual perma-stealther.
Your ability drains your AP (that is Action Points), which is the primary power source for your abilities.
Imagine this..... You are a Witch Hunter, attempting to take out a Sorcerer you spotted running about solo. You toggle on your stealth (your AP begins to decline) and proceed to move to a favorable position. You are not very sure if you can get a good positional shot/attack on her and continue prowling around unseen. After an minute or so of stealthing around unsure, your action points hit 0 (or the short duration runs outs) and the Sorcerer spots you. She raises an eyebrow and gives you one of those sexy Dark Elf cackles.
Oh snap cracker jack, you have no action points and she is full to the brim with pwnage anticipation.
WoW Stealth in my opinion is the worst stealth ever. You can't change my mind considering my own experiences during its incredibly unbalanced first year and a half.
I would have to one up you with DAOC stealth in its early years. Someone next to you would just die and you never see what did it because the arrow came from half way across the valley or some little smurf would backstab you with a freaking two handed claymore (spear).
Keep in mind this was Mythic so they might not make the same mistake twice.
Daoc had better stealth then WoW tbh,and btw claymore isnt a spear it's a sword
My comment was about how unbalanced DAOC stealth was in the games youth.
I'm also aware of what a claymore is, but couldn't remember if it was the midgard stealthers could use two handed great swords or two handed great spears. Either way it was some form of mass weight weapon that front loaded damage and was launched from a surprise attack.
I actually don't like either stealth system to be honest. Thieves/assassins or whatever people want to call them are killers, not magicians. Walking around in broad daylight in the middle of an open field that offers no cover, people shouldn't be allowed to walk around invisible. I'm a bigger fan of the DnD online stealth system from what little I saw. It takes environment into account.
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I thought i read in a post from mythic that game wont have actual stealth but like a camo type thing so it would make sense since mythic did say this in a post a few months ago. that there wont be a actual stealth system that alows you to stay stealthed like a Ranger or Hunter but rather you become transparent,consuming your surroundings. There has to be some sort of stealth because there is Camo in real life and in most games, it's called Sneaking...becoming completely invisible for 2 hours with no penalty for it besides slow movement is called stealth.
I can tell no one on these boards play SWG because that has to officially be the most aggravating, buggy, and unfair stealth system that ever could be made. One hit kills on PVPers.... that is some utter bullshit.
Playing: Nada.
Played: WAR, LOTRO, EVE, WoW, EQ2, SWG, STO
Waiting: TOR
I just didn't see the game doing well after being in SWG beta...they were pretty disorganized during the phase I was in lol we didn't even get to combat they wer elike "Ok everyone lets make a band today!" and im like Gay! lol
...one shot stealth kills = uber lame....lets face it very few games have ever had an acceptable stealth system when it comes to using it in combat against another player...im hoping praying that if WAR plans to keep this stealth it remains obviously under powered in pvp.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I'm deeply dissapointed by this stupid mechanic called stealth and I got the impression they would not add it to the game.
However the question is now how EFFECTIVE the stealth will be in PvP. I don't care 1% how good it's in PvE but if it is a stupid "WoW-peekaboo" type of stealth which rogues uses I will chase WAR with a hammer set on fire
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Not to stick my 2 cents where its not wanted, but this looks really bad. If you're gonna re-make Wow, re-make it better, not worse.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"
(Psalm 94:16)
It sounds as if its using up the action / morale points you need to use abilities. If tahts the case then staying stealth for to long is incredibly expensive and leaves you highly vunerable once you do pop out. It sounds great for scouting but not for peekaboo combat (thank god).
Btw make sure your hammer is on fire with the flames of almight anti gank justice
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
So stealth is in the game and they gave it to Witchhunters and Witch Elf.
"The Witch Hunter relies heavily on his ability to catch targets off guard or to distract them in the thick of a fight. A powerful melee fighter, he is at his most effective when he can move behind an enemy and unleash pistol shots or powerful strikes from his anointed blade upon them."
"By picking their targets carefully, the Witch Elf can win a fight in a short amount of time. A Witch Elf prefers to rapidly close with lightly armored targets, where their wicked poisons can find exposed flesh."
Phew, it's a good thing these 2 classes are nothing like WoW rogues...
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
WoW didn't invent positional attacks and poisons. But I'm sure we're all getting tired of that argument.
I remember they said at some point there won't be stealth in WAR.
I'm glad to see they'll change their opinions when they think it's needed to make the game more fun. It remains to be seen if stealth will make it more fun, but until they announce it officially we don't even know if stealth will make it into/stay in the game or how it will work.
I think it sounds fine, if it is as described here.
I believe it would be better if there was some kind of detection mechanic involved so that it could only be used in areas where there is some sort of "cover", like rocks, trees or buildings etc. To be able to use it on a flat wide open space in the middle of a salt flat is lame and should just be called what it is, invisibilty.
Maybe something that blended your colors with the background (more camo-ish if even possible) and while enabled would not allow a Tab next target to work on you. Though a manual mouse-target click could expose you as a target.
looks like theres a lot of new baby trolls trouncing for a first lick of flame here.
I'm not going to try to twist it like a WaR fanboy, They added stealth, oh well, the optimism of no stealth was fun while it lasted. I actually have to agree with Pheace here, and say we just can't trust what the Devs always spoon feed into our mouths. Am I mad? Yea a little, I mean I've had bad run ins with stealth but haven't we all at some point? At least they've had the smarts to give it a time limit so you don't have spend your time going around trying to hunt them down.
Bollocks!
Just looks like a ugly version of WOW to me and Stealth is kool, people only cry about it cause theyc an't play their class properly and learn how to counter it.
Thinking back on my past MMO experiences, players seem to do just the opposite.
When someone cannot play thier class properly they roll a stealther.
EDIT: Enough of the WoW comparisons already, I don't feel like opening my dead horse folder to post pics.
Keep in mind this was Mythic so they might not make the same mistake twice.
GTFO Troll. Until you can show me the info on the official warhammer site, all your so called "sources" are just bs.
World .... is .... crumbling ......Seriously, lighten up, it's just a bit of stealth. i'm personally glad it's in. I hate the thought of always knowing where everything is just by looking at the situation, always knowing exactly how many people I'll face by giving it a quick look.
At least this adds some surprise
when i fist read about the witch hunter i could have sworn it had a bit of stealth but yeah its not a full stealth class.
I like stealth and was hoping for assassins in WAR. It's too bad that they decided to implement witch elves with stealth instead of going for assassins.
Keep in mind this was Mythic so they might not make the same mistake twice.
Daoc had better stealth then WoW tbh,and btw claymore isnt a spear it's a sword
If, like said earlier in this post, stealth got, limited duration, large cooldown, waste energy (dunno if that's the name someone used earlier) so the stealthers wont be able to do large amount of damage quickly, it will probably be ok, as the only meaning of it will be to get closer to ranged classes... but that's my 2 cents.
I was actually sorta looking forward to witch hunters... but not anymore. I didn't want to play a wow rogue. I wanted to play a witch hunter.
what do i see?
WoW's talent trees(not in general, but for the WH, combat assassination and sub... lol)
Stealth
wow. epic phail.
Don't give me any bs "it's limited" "it's not important".
It is.
They would not give this ability to these classes unless these classes SUCKED and needed a fix. And they were like let's add stealthsetwe!@!%! WINZORZ!
The way stealth is currently in, it basically is for these classes to do exactly what rogues did in wow. Get into combat un noticed so you can do something before you die.
Can't wait for the war expansion so my witch hunter can use cloak of justice to remove all effects on himself and make him immune to evil magic for a few seconds.
This is ignoring the fact that stealth in any form does not fit what a witch elf is. And giving it to her disgusts me.
If they implant stealth like they have in TF2 (yes i know it is a FPS), but let me explain for the people that don't know the stealth there.
The spy class has stealth, however when you put stealth on, you van be invisible for max 20-25 seconds. You can't attack while you are in stealth. You have to put stealth off, that takes around 3 seconds, then you can attack. However even if you are invisible for that period you can't attack quick and when you put stealth mode off, they see the skill animation, so you are dead in a few seconds.
When they inplant this stealth, you use stealth to get behind them, turn off stealth and try to get them from behind, without them noticing you.
except it's going to work like this(at least from what i've gathered)
30 sec cooldown
90~ sec duration
Drains AP(mana?) over time while it's active.
Semi easily detectable
30 sec cooldown=every single time you see a enemy.
you have a good 10-20 seconds after seeing a enemy and hitting stealth, to get to them. It'll work just like stealth for rogues in wow.
Then you can be dpsing on your target.
Picture a rogue in a bg in wow. It'll work just like that only all the time, running around unstealthed, stealthing to start fights, and then continueing to fight once everyone else is attacking someone else, because of the following.
1. Low armor
2. Low hp
Sound like a rogue to you? does to me.
The only difference between it and WoWs rogue? You can't stalk people while stealthed. and you have to fight immediately instead of teasing them, or waiting.
But then again, guess what? It won't be PvE ganking. a rogue won't have to wait around and stalk, he will sneak into battles and start fighting. Or attack people when they are traveling solo just like wow rogues.
I like it. There are enough stealth haters that are going to play this game that it will be verry entertaining to see someone pop out of stealth in the battlefield. I can see it now............Massive fight 15vs15 for example. 15 on one side fighting 14 on the other, all of a sudden a stealther pops out. Now its 15 vs 1 as all 15 on one side stop attacking there current target, destroys the stealther and then goes back to the normally schedualed program.
There will be thoes that play the class with stealth regardless of how usless it is simply because the class has stealth. Do I wish stealth was in? Nah. Does it really bother me if its implimented as others have suggested? Nah not really. It might make it more fun it may not, only time (and a stinking beta invite
) will tell.
The morale of the story is that you will be terribly gimped in a fight if you are a habitual perma-stealther.
Your ability drains your AP (that is Action Points), which is the primary power source for your abilities.
Imagine this..... You are a Witch Hunter, attempting to take out a Sorcerer you spotted running about solo. You toggle on your stealth (your AP begins to decline) and proceed to move to a favorable position. You are not very sure if you can get a good positional shot/attack on her and continue prowling around unseen. After an minute or so of stealthing around unsure, your action points hit 0 (or the short duration runs outs) and the Sorcerer spots you. She raises an eyebrow and gives you one of those sexy Dark Elf cackles.
Oh snap cracker jack, you have no action points and she is full to the brim with pwnage anticipation.
Witch Hunter = dead
Keep in mind this was Mythic so they might not make the same mistake twice.
My comment was about how unbalanced DAOC stealth was in the games youth.Daoc had better stealth then WoW tbh,and btw claymore isnt a spear it's a sword
I'm also aware of what a claymore is, but couldn't remember if it was the midgard stealthers could use two handed great swords or two handed great spears. Either way it was some form of mass weight weapon that front loaded damage and was launched from a surprise attack.
I actually don't like either stealth system to be honest. Thieves/assassins or whatever people want to call them are killers, not magicians. Walking around in broad daylight in the middle of an open field that offers no cover, people shouldn't be allowed to walk around invisible. I'm a bigger fan of the DnD online stealth system from what little I saw. It takes environment into account.