Sorry... 249,998 friends. I hate you and you aren't my friend. Happy now? Point still is proven true by lack of subscriptions. Please don't misunderstand, I am HAPPY you are having fun now. At least somebody is. You and that other 'friend'. (are you sure you don't have 2 accounts?) Quite frankly, it's not even about whether or not some people enjoy the current version. It's about the fact that over 200k people aren't enjoying this version. You lose from lack of other people to play with. SOE loses from lack of subscriptions. The fanbase loses because we lost a flawed, but easily fixed game in favor of wow/console gamers that never materialized. Triple losses say alot. And it says EPIC FAIL. i ESPECIALLY like the OP's title of the thread "NGE isn't all that bad". hrmmm.. must not be that good either.
ignore the fanbois and fanbots they will never understand that the war is over and they along with $OE lost the war. our game will come back and we'll have to spend a few days running the fanbois and bots off the servers.
we have won and the mmo world knows it and awaits the return of the pre-cu
ignore the fanbois and fanbots they will never understand that the war is over and they along with $OE lost the war. our game will come back and we'll have to spend a few days running the fanbois and bots off the servers.
we have won and the mmo world knows it and awaits the return of the pre-cu
You have 'won' a crappy game that nobody wants to play. Congratulations!
The only way this game will EVER come back is under a new dev team and production house.
If the game ever does 'come back', you can bet even alot of us embittered vets will try it.. But that will never happen and this game will never be a success. Even if they rolled back the servers to pre CU/NGE, it won't matter because it's frankly troo late.
Nobody in the corporate structure will admit to making a mistake so they keep on giving you utter shit which you swallow like it's smores.
Is the NGE better t han when it launcherd. YES. Anybody would be absurd to say anything else.
Is it better than classic even with all it's flaws? NO.
If it was, you could add 100k subs tomorrow., but it isn't, so you can't.
I don't know, but for some reason I just don't quite trust the opinion of someone who was claiming they hadn't encountered that many bugs on 11/16/05. I just can't put my finger on the reason why...
The game is horrible. That is the primary reason the servers are all but empty. It is, without any hyperbole, the worst MMO currently available. I tried it out during the vet trial this past February, and the game is still flat out horrible. The only semi-intelligent thought the Smed ever had was when he posted that the player population wouldn't increase until the game reached a baseline fun level. He was absolutely correct. The continued decline in players reflects the lack of fun available in Star Wars Galaxies.
You lose credibility for sanity when you call the NGE the savior of SWG. Sorry but subscription numbers point to just the opposite.
SWG could have fixed some of the imbalances you talk about. Instead they crapped on their customers and now they are getting what all businesses get when they forget who pays their bills.
I don't know, but for some reason I just don't quite trust the opinion of someone who was claiming they hadn't encountered that many bugs on 11/16/05. I just can't put my finger on the reason why... www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/562171#562171 I do have to wonder how the NGE went from being "probably the best decision the EVER made" to not being "all that bad" though. www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/561068#561068 The game is horrible. That is the primary reason the servers are all but empty. It is, without any hyperbole, the worst MMO currently available. I tried it out during the vet trial this past February, and the game is still flat out horrible. The only semi-intelligent thought the Smed ever had was when he posted that the player population wouldn't increase until the game reached a baseline fun level. He was absolutely correct. The continued decline in players reflects the lack of fun available in Star Wars Galaxies.
meh okay if you say so however I'm in one of the older guilds in the game and its filled with vets. We have fun. I hate WoW and I have absolutely hated every MMORPG recently released. This game is much more fun and so I play it. Somehow people see this as a bad thing. I guess no one here plays video games any longer and is just here to sit and pine over something they can't get back and never will get back like a lost childhood or something. This is fine however on a scale of being healthy I wont comment past this. It was just a game and still is just a game and believe it or not there are people who enjoy it for what it is now and have long gotten over the past and moved forward. If one day I come across a game that is better then this game I will probably switch as the engines and graphics will be newer and it will be well a different game to play as well as the SWG one. Maybe it will even be good enough to take its place, but until then I'm playing this one along with a great many other people and enjoying it.
So bye continue on your path and continue to live in the past and see a game that was basically just "okay" to start with and never was "great" through some haze in your rose colour glasses. I personally think that a lot of people are just being silly and punishing themselves but that's me. You wont get back what you had, but this game is fun and well to be honest just as good and just as bad as the original its only different. That's life /shrugs
No this game is nothing like wow save their attempt at "heroic instances"
crafting is still better then most games out there and I have fun doing it as a result
player housing. WoW has none of that at all to my knowledge unless they snuck it in later on. Still SWG is the only game where you can build your own house where you want and make cities and town where you want
PvP doesn't play like wow they have "battle grounds"
WoW is elves I hate elves I like space
Mounts and vehicles.. the only ones in WoW that exist are those quested mounts
Mounts and vehicles in SWG well we make those too
Space .. well I really enjoy space and space mining and like to decorate my ships as I choose
Storytelling.. pretty cool stuff and reasonably new. I'm a socializer I like to make events this is the ultimate event tool. I can make party venues, Gladiator tournaments all kinds of things heck even an xmas event using the wookie day stuff.. WoW .. well its all generated by the company
There are a lot of things in this game that WoW does not contain but meh whatever stopping to type now as these are the most glaring differences that exist that hit you over the head like a ton of bricks!
Originally posted by Ragemaster The game used to have 32 professions, and was skill point based but, honestly, how many of those professions were actully useful? I remember rifelman was the only good ranged combat profession, because it could damage mind, (old ham system was a joke). Carbineer was utturrely useless and Pistoleer was only good for PVE.
Carbineer was awesome, especially when mixed with bounty hunter, charged shot and I had a BH/carbineer that managed to kill Jedi before the CU. Pistoleer was lacking but fun.
Squad leader ? I remember how much QQ on the forums (offiical swg forums) about the squad leader revamp that was supposbly suppose to come ( but never did) add the fact that SL is another useless profession.
Smuggler and squad leader were the most neglected professions in the game back the, SL got the revamp much too late (2 weeks before NGE release).
As for other professions, ranger was VERY useful, our guild used them alot back then. I know when you pvped back then you only saw: Jedi, TKM or fencer and the occasional combat medic. But now you won't see much of a difference: BH, Jedi and occasional officer while other professions remains in shadows.
I have some screenshots from pre-CU that had plenty of different professions in there. If you look around the net for some old screenshots of big battles I assure you'll find several different professions in those pictures. Screenshots nowadays will show Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, BH, officer, and more Jedi.
Just because its kinda funny but anyhow SWG did well until lineage 2 and WoW came along and then populations started to drop SWG is also getting a bit long in the tooth so 20+ servers is a bit much for an older game even if it is doing well.. SWG is good and was good both versions are good and for many of the same reasons for those who do play it. I doubt fanbois are threatened and I'm never quite sure what a fanbois is other then someone likes something as compared to someone who doesnt like it.. So Iguess technically that would make me a fanbois and a vet who if a classic server was released would play on both servers As for rep i dont really know about that I play games I like every coporation has a bad rep and most corporation have crappy customer server including the phone company bell canada and the cable company rogers cable. However since both have a product I want I buy it and ignore the crappy service and bad rep they have.. Its a sign of the times I"m afraid and just a part of our evergrowing lack of personal touch that gets applied. However if i didn't get things from crappy service providers who may or may not have bad reps. I would have no phone, no cable probably most of my furntiure and live in a tent out in the back yard and would not be playing any video games by any company because quite franky they all have something wrong with them and all suck. /shrugs anyhow good night just logged off from SWG you know the crappy game with so much competition I can't decide which of the lesser evils to do with. .. that i play on my crappy interenet with a computer that likely has more sony parts in it then I am aware and dont quite franky care cause they work and make it go person waving the swg disk I got as part of a package last week for a freetrial that I might just start another account with if the spirit moves me ..
If the current game were so good, where are the players? (Not on 20+ servers) There are players on Bria, Starsider and other servers. The days of games launching with 20+ servers are for the most part over and done with unless your "beloved" like Blizzard. Yes they need to work on getting people onto the bigger servers. However I've seen alot of the new games not opening with 20+ servers. Why should anyone pay a premium monthly fee to play a game that is "Not that bad"? (It's not bad, it's worse.) And people pay for Hellgate:London, people pay for other games that are much worse off then SWG (and believe me there are games MUCH worse off then SWG). Still if the game was for free then we wouldn't get any of the fixes, content or what not. f Pre-CU was so bad, then why were so many people playing back then? How come? It was "new" and it was a Star Wars game! Ultima Online launched with a ton of people before it dropped down in Subs too. That's how MMO's go, they launch and get tons of people in them and drop down or get more. If SWGNGE is so good, why can you not find it in store anymore (as $OE stopped printing disks) and barely be able to download it? Maybe due to the fact that it's cheaper to get the game out via downloading? I mean granted it's cheaper now then it was back in the 1980's/1990's when games cost a hell of alot more when coming out on 3.5 Floppy's. Still there's getting boxes, printing cd's, and so on. Hey they are doing it with Music too, Nine Inch Nails:Ghosts I-IV isn't in the stores. By your logic Nine Inch Nails must suck now cuz the Cd isn't in stores. If Pre-CU was so bad, why are fanbois threatened by vets wanting classic servers? I'm not, what I want is for the game to move on and move ahead. Not go back to a system that wasn't all that great to start out with. And was in my eyes just as bad as the Vets claim the NGE is. If SWG (and other $OE games for that matter) is so good, why has $OE ceased to exist? Ummm when did that happen? I mean I still see the SOE logo around, I think Sony is still around as I've been seeing PS2's, PS3's and PSP's for sale. If $OE puts out and runs such great products, why do they have the worst rep in the industry? Lets see... Maybe due to all the upset people who bring up everything and anything about SOE all the time? Maybe due to those upset people jumping on anyone who enjoys SWG, EQ or whatever about how SOE wronged them? Ya know, kinda like how Blizzard has a great rep cuz the Blizzard Fanboy's jump on anyone who says WoW isn't all that great? If SWG was not a sad, sorry joke, would any of this even be an issue? No cuz people would find new things to scream, whine and moan about with the game. I mean dear lord people have been screaming about SWG for years now. Hell people screamed about the game before it was even out!
If the current game were so good, where are the players? (Not on 20+ servers) There are players on Bria, Starsider and other servers. The days of games launching with 20+ servers are for the most part over and done with unless your "beloved" like Blizzard. Yes they need to work on getting people onto the bigger servers. However I've seen alot of the new games not opening with 20+ servers. I don't like or play WoW, and I could care less about them. Point is, all of the servers were fine and playable pre-NGE. Now? All but 4 are dead and even those 4 have nothing like the pop they once did. (Yes, I just did the trial)
Why should anyone pay a premium monthly fee to play a game that is "Not that bad"? (It's not bad, it's worse.) And people pay for Hellgate:London, people pay for other games that are much worse off then SWG (and believe me there are games MUCH worse off then SWG). Still if the game was for free then we wouldn't get any of the fixes, content or what not. Note I said "premium monthly fee". That being $15/mo is the top price for any game. Hellgate is $10/mo and you do not even need to pay that to play the game. And I wouldn't. People pay less for other, newer and better games. And how are those fixes you are paying for working out? Still bugs people have been complaining about for years. And the new "content" is so good, the pop continues to decline...
f Pre-CU was so bad, then why were so many people playing back then? How come? It was "new" and it was a Star Wars game! Ultima Online launched with a ton of people before it dropped down in Subs too. That's how MMO's go, they launch and get tons of people in them and drop down or get more. And it was GOOD. It was complex (and some of us liked that) and it was nothing like any other game out there. It was what the existing players wanted, or at least the NGE was NOT what players wanted. Independent gaming sites mentioned that 100k SWG players canceled in the 3 weeks after the NGE. I myself could not cancel right away, because the acct server was crashed. Yes, pre-cu had high numbers because the game was new, but also because it was a much more enjoyable game, warts and all, than the NGE.
If SWGNGE is so good, why can you not find it in store anymore (as $OE stopped printing disks) and barely be able to download it? Maybe due to the fact that it's cheaper to get the game out via downloading? I mean granted it's cheaper now then it was back in the 1980's/1990's when games cost a hell of alot more when coming out on 3.5 Floppy's. Still there's getting boxes, printing cd's, and so on. Hey they are doing it with Music too, Nine Inch Nails:Ghosts I-IV isn't in the stores. By your logic Nine Inch Nails must suck now cuz the Cd isn't in stores. Stores don't carry it, because they couldn't sell it. Period. You can still find Diablo 2 boxes for sale and that game is what? 15+ years old? Because people occasionally buy it. Retailers will sell anything to make a $, and if they could sell SWG, $OE would still be printing it. A game costs less than $2, excluding development, to get from the factory to the store. And the downloadable version would be available, if anyone wanted to buy it, which they don't.
If Pre-CU was so bad, why are fanbois threatened by vets wanting classic servers? I'm not, what I want is for the game to move on and move ahead. Not go back to a system that wasn't all that great to start out with. And was in my eyes just as bad as the Vets claim the NGE is. As great as Pre-CU was or wasn't, a LOT more people liked it. You like NGE more? Fine. The missing 200k+ players don't.
If SWG (and other $OE games for that matter) is so good, why has $OE ceased to exist? Ummm when did that happen? I mean I still see the SOE logo around, I think Sony is still around as I've been seeing PS2's, PS3's and PSP's for sale. $OE was absorbed by another Sony division. As of April 1, 2008, they are gone as a separate business entity. Why? Because they were not making the numbers. That is the ONLY reason for a corporate reorg like that, and yes, I have been through several of those. Sony is still around, but $OE isn't. And good riddance.
If $OE puts out and runs such great products, why do they have the worst rep in the industry? Lets see... Maybe due to all the upset people who bring up everything and anything about SOE all the time? Maybe due to those upset people jumping on anyone who enjoys SWG, EQ or whatever about how SOE wronged them? Ya know, kinda like how Blizzard has a great rep cuz the Blizzard Fanboy's jump on anyone who says WoW isn't all that great? Personally, I could care less about Blizzard and their fanbois. It has nothing to do with the mismanagement of $OE. If a person decides not to believe half the bad behaviors/business practices that $OE has unleashed on their customers, they would STILL be known as the worst gaming company in the business, and deservedly so. Terrible customer service, terrible game changes, fraudulent billing practices, history of promising their customers and not delivering, the list can go on... And "NGE" has become a bad word in the game development community, noun, verb and adjective.
If SWG was not a sad, sorry joke, would any of this even be an issue? No cuz people would find new things to scream, whine and moan about with the game. I mean dear lord people have been screaming about SWG for years now. Hell people screamed about the game before it was even out! The reputation SWG had in the Pre-CU times was, at worst mixed. Most of criticism stemmed from the unfinished nature of many of the game mechanics and lack of any guided content past the fist story arcs. Those were wholly $OE's fault for releasing the game early. But, people were largely willing to over look those shortcomings because of how good the core game was. Now, the core of SWG-NGE is a boring, shallow, one dimensional, grindfest that people are not willing to look past. At least not the 200k+ of us who will not be coming back.
If Pre-CU was so bad, why are fanbois threatened by vets wanting classic servers? I'm not, what I want is for the game to move on and move ahead. Not go back to a system that wasn't all that great to start out with. And was in my eyes just as bad as the Vets claim the NGE is.
Sometimes moving forward means going backwards. For example BM was an attempt to achieve this, unfortunetly for many it failed to capture what was so enticing about CH in the frst place.
Did you see how people talked about how better the game was once things were re-introduced? There is no dening that the NGE gets better for those who like it when elements of pre-CU are brought back, but 10 steps back then 3 forward still doesn't put you in the lead. It only helps to bring you closer to where you were.
No this game is nothing like wow save their attempt at "heroic instances" crafting is still better then most games out there and I have fun doing it as a result player housing. WoW has none of that at all to my knowledge unless they snuck it in later on. Still SWG is the only game where you can build your own house where you want and make cities and town where you want PvP doesn't play like wow they have "battle grounds" WoW is elves I hate elves I like space Mounts and vehicles.. the only ones in WoW that exist are those quested mounts Mounts and vehicles in SWG well we make those too Space .. well I really enjoy space and space mining and like to decorate my ships as I choose Storytelling.. pretty cool stuff and reasonably new. I'm a socializer I like to make events this is the ultimate event tool. I can make party venues, Gladiator tournaments all kinds of things heck even an xmas event using the wookie day stuff.. WoW .. well its all generated by the company There are a lot of things in this game that WoW does not contain but meh whatever stopping to type now as these are the most glaring differences that exist that hit you over the head like a ton of bricks! *shakes head at the WoW comparisons*
You just reinforced my point...
The BEST things about the NGE come from Pre-CU. The NGE is a combination of Pre-CU and WoW, with some Tabula Rasa thrown in.
Housing, crafting, space, mounts, vehicles, PvP, etc, etc ALL come from Pre-CU SWG. Crafting was MUCH better in Pre-CU SWG.
Levels, the pet system, classes, animations are almost a direct copy of what WoW offers. They were changed to be like WoW, SOE and LA have both told us that.
The only thing that the NGE offers that is worth anything that Pre-CU didn't is the storyteller option.
Other than that the NGE gutted Pre-CU of all the free play style it offered, it placed us all in restricted paths with levels and classes (stolen from WoW), it sped up our combat 5X (which has caused greatly increased lag), and it has added almost nothing worthwhile to the game.
In the meantime subscriptions have dropped to record lows, WoW is about to launch it's 2nd expansion since the NGE, and most of the people who paid to play SWG are spending their money on other games or waiting for something worth playing.
I miss SWG as much as anyone but it is the fanboy mentality that keeps these companies from advancing. People willing to pay for games like SWG:NGE and who blindly defend the game that is arguably still in Beta keep the industry from truly advancing and giving us freedom in gaming.
No this game is nothing like wow save their attempt at "heroic instances" crafting is still better then most games out there and I have fun doing it as a result player housing. WoW has none of that at all to my knowledge unless they snuck it in later on. Still SWG is the only game where you can build your own house where you want and make cities and town where you want PvP doesn't play like wow they have "battle grounds" WoW is elves I hate elves I like space Mounts and vehicles.. the only ones in WoW that exist are those quested mounts Mounts and vehicles in SWG well we make those too Space .. well I really enjoy space and space mining and like to decorate my ships as I choose Storytelling.. pretty cool stuff and reasonably new. I'm a socializer I like to make events this is the ultimate event tool. I can make party venues, Gladiator tournaments all kinds of things heck even an xmas event using the wookie day stuff.. WoW .. well its all generated by the company There are a lot of things in this game that WoW does not contain but meh whatever stopping to type now as these are the most glaring differences that exist that hit you over the head like a ton of bricks! *shakes head at the WoW comparisons*
You just reinforced my point...
The BEST things about the NGE come from Pre-CU. The NGE is a combination of Pre-CU and WoW, with some Tabula Rasa thrown in.
Housing, crafting, space, mounts, vehicles, PvP, etc, etc ALL come from Pre-CU SWG. Crafting was MUCH better in Pre-CU SWG.
Levels, the pet system, classes, animations are almost a direct copy of what WoW offers. They were changed to be like WoW, SOE and LA have both told us that.
The only thing that the NGE offers that is worth anything that Pre-CU didn't is the storyteller option.
Other than that the NGE gutted Pre-CU of all the free play style it offered, it placed us all in restricted paths with levels and classes (stolen from WoW), it sped up our combat 5X (which has caused greatly increased lag), and it has added almost nothing worthwhile to the game.
In the meantime subscriptions have dropped to record lows, WoW is about to launch it's 2nd expansion since the NGE, and most of the people who paid to play SWG are spending their money on other games or waiting for something worth playing.
I miss SWG as much as anyone but it is the fanboy mentality that keeps these companies from advancing. People willing to pay for games like SWG:NGE and who blindly defend the game that is arguably still in Beta keep the industry from truly advancing and giving us freedom in gaming.
It's a strange situation.
I'm simply trying to point out that its still as good a game was it was back then now when they have reintrocudes some things and made it so that I can "kill stuff" I came back. A lot of people for some reason either refuse to look and are punishing themselves or are denying the fact that although its not identical they have presently in this game added elements to please the WoW crowd and to please the previous crowd. All this call for a complete rollback will probably result in loss of the present subscribers with no guarantee of the past subscribers returning. If they are not returning now with more and more things being put back now including attachments which are by the way no longer loot drops they are crafted.. (that used to be all loot drops and there is a complaint about that everything is loot drops and modelled after WoW well here is an example of quite the opposite. ) then they wont ever return. So all this angst and continued hashing and rehashing something which I think any sane individual can acknowledge will never be put back in its entirety is for nothing. They are fixing the crafting proffs that are needing fixing to add some value to them. As far as I am concerned the only issues with combat are the targetting system and the fact that there are too many jedi .. so combat is basically fixed. It was due for a massive nerf anyhow due to the fact that in most cases it was truly unbalanced. I think the CH and bio engineer can be improved upon but only in so much as i liked pet furniture.. but the rest of the proff well its fine and balanced whereas before it was not. So In my selfish want for pet furniture which is just fluff I would like that ability but to be honest that's trivial. I have proven I would think that the entire game is in fact still there. Proffs have been fixed and they are giving jedi what looks to me like a massive nerf which WILL decrease their numbers Plus they are making weaponsmith a bit more viable. So is the old content really gone? No its not that is the point. They have added some heroic instances which you can do or not do its totally up to the individual and hey no one is gonna be mad at you if you dont play them. So a great deal of the game has been put back but STILL people complain yet me a vet who has returned because a lot of what i wanted is now there save the pet furniture and a few other things personally feels that people are infact punishing self in some need to keep up an old hatred campaign over something that in all essense has pretty much been fixed. The jedi thing I never paid much attention to anyhow as I was one of those individuals who didn't much care about the jedi stuff i prefered to hunt them and craft. Even my original template is actually doable now which was MCM/Pistoleer. Its there and I can do it. The only thing I can't do is craft the heals and poisons. This was the reason i respecced to BH after the initial combat upgrade because I enjoyed making the heals and poisons and selling them. Well I now have 2 slots so i can craft something else. Heck i even make mounts now. So I"m having fun and a great deal of fun and more fun then i have had in any mmorpg since I Left SWG. What that says to me is SWG is stll the best game I have enountered warts and all. It was still back then the best game I had encountered warts and all. I just wish that people would stop thinking that suddenly others are "idiots" for buying the product which in essence is stil there because now they are actualy lumping themslves in as they are still pining for what if you read what some posters say almost appears to be the second coming of the messiah. Its a fun game and it was a fun game back then and its now because I can now manage to aim and shoot a gun and do what i enjoy now also a fun game. What it was when I wasn't there I considered unplayable, but its just mere coincidence i stuck the disks in the disk drive otherwise I would not have made this discovery.
this was your past comment in that this game SWG is like a version of WOW now your basicaly saying otherwise. I have shown you its not like WoW so why do you say its like WoW and then say its not like WoW?
Originally posted by Thunderous
You hate WoW yet you play a game that plays like a broken version of WoW, and who imitates everything WoW does...? Pre-CU was "just okay" but the only good elements of current SWG come from Pre-CU... Ironic on both parts.
I Those good elements are there and wont be leaving. That's the point the unbalanced combat was NOT a good element and its gone. Some other things that are going to make this post much longer that were BAD elements are gone they have removed that and added content that you can choose to do or not do. People seem to have had issues with the two expansions released as well. YOu know those were good expansions. So to me it looks like most people want the original part of the game minus all expansions and added bells and whistles that you dont have to do ifyou dont want to. Its entirely up to the individual. Personaly I dont understand the logic behind some of what people say. However they are for the most case at this point in time being pretty darned illogical anyhow. The game is there and the CORE game still exists you can still do that, but now you can do other stuff as well. So personaly again I will state I dont get it. Asside from putting in all the proffs that are basically still there only less tailorable beacuse of the fact that they were in fact way way unbalanced its still there. If they fixed the targetting system a bit it would all be there. Again its totally illogical at this point. People are from what I can see saying "yeah its almost identical but not exact therefore I'm gonna dig my heals in until its identical" however by many peoples own admission they have retained what was GOOD about the old version and added new stuff. So I guess I can only ask "what's not to like" if you liked the original game it still exists but now there is other stuff to do as well..
/meh
*still doesn't get it an never will*
The one that really gets me is the guy who keeps posting about it like he is waiting for the return of the mesiah. I swear its almost like a religious experience to some other then just a game that has had to undergo a massive redesign and that is now getting very old and so due to its age wil never pick up the subscriber it had not with titles that use new engines like age of conan coming out that will present even competition I think for games like WoW.
Realistically as one who prefers space i'm looking to stargate worlds. If its any good do you honestly think that an game with older graphics and engines will compete with a brand new game in the same genre with new engines, graphics ? The answer is no. All games have a life span. Considering there are 20 servers open and not one has closed that's pretty good considering the age of the game.
i hate to break it too you but the nge is the worst thing to happen in game ever. me and 249,999 of my friends will back me on that. all of the 32 professions did have balance and had use. remember how fun ch was before it got nerfed? remember how good you could be after working long and hard to become a tkm or rifleman? remember how people wanted cm and sl's in there groups? everyone and everything had a use unlike the nge where the only classes people play are bh and commando both of those classes are shells of what they used to be in the pre-cu. not only that pvp was balanced. pve was balanced and much more fun then this trash they have in the game now. tell me do you think we wanted pvp bases or restuss in the old days? no we didn't due to pvp happening anywhere. we had the tef system to keep people in line. pvp had better balanced rewards unlike the useless trash they give you now. entertainers had buffs and took away cf, docs gave buffs that made pvp and pve much more fun. everyone in the game had a use unlike the nge. content? we didn't need heroic mobs we had 20 man groups going hunting for pearls. we had pvp that lasted a whole weekend. we had one of the greatest content systems in any game the village. what do you want as a reward? a lame pistol or carbine or an ugly backpack? or to unlock and build up your own jedi knight. this game isn't smart or strong it sucks and is trash and everyone in the mmo world knows that. i don't know what dev you are but let me say this one more time. bring back pre-cu ftw!
Don't you mean, Remember how overpowered and unbalanced CH was before it was nerfed?
you guys are so ignorant. I think SWG is better off without the 249,999 fanboi's who don't know SHIT about MMO's and BALANCE.
This game only improved with NGE/CU and the mass exodus of cry babies was an added bonus.
For the people that are so in love with the NGE, vets and newbs alike, all i will say is this. For the vets, you know the game was bettetr back in it's origional state, end of discussion. I still every once and awhile read up what's happeniong on the O forums and there is more bitching and moaning going on than there ever was back then. I guess the new changes being made to jedi, plus all the deserted servers must count for nothing.
For the people who never played pre-cu, you missed out on the single most fun, immersed and lively community that an MMO ever had, end of discussion.
To the OP, nice little try and making SWG seem like it's the bomb of MMO's and all that. I just read the thread on the O forums about how do we the last and stupid try and get more people back to playing, because everyday we lose more subs from what the idotic devs keep feeding and putting into the game.
Wakeup call, SWG Is on it's last leg. Have some gumption and stand tall, play all you can play until they pull the plug, but whatever you do, don't sit and lie and say the game is better now than then, when you know it's not true.
For the people that are so in love with the NGE, vets and newbs alike, all i will say is this. For the vets, you know the game was bettetr back in it's origional state, end of discussion. I still every once and awhile read up what's happeniong on the O forums and there is more bitching and moaning going on than there ever was back then. I guess the new changes being made to jedi, plus all the deserted servers must count for nothing. For the people who never played pre-cu, you missed out on the single most fun, immersed and lively community that an MMO ever had, end of discussion. To the OP, nice little try and making SWG seem like it's the bomb of MMO's and all that. I just read the thread on the O forums about how do we the last and stupid try and get more people back to playing, because everyday we lose more subs from what the idotic devs keep feeding and putting into the game. Wakeup call, SWG Is on it's last leg. Have some gumption and stand tall, play all you can play until they pull the plug, but whatever you do, don't sit and lie and say the game is better now than then, when you know it's not true.
I played SWG from day 1, I know how it was before the CU / NGE.. unbalanced and not fun.
For the people that are so in love with the NGE, vets and newbs alike, all i will say is this. For the vets, you know the game was bettetr back in it's origional state, end of discussion. I still every once and awhile read up what's happeniong on the O forums and there is more bitching and moaning going on than there ever was back then. I guess the new changes being made to jedi, plus all the deserted servers must count for nothing. For the people who never played pre-cu, you missed out on the single most fun, immersed and lively community that an MMO ever had, end of discussion. To the OP, nice little try and making SWG seem like it's the bomb of MMO's and all that. I just read the thread on the O forums about how do we the last and stupid try and get more people back to playing, because everyday we lose more subs from what the idotic devs keep feeding and putting into the game. Wakeup call, SWG Is on it's last leg. Have some gumption and stand tall, play all you can play until they pull the plug, but whatever you do, don't sit and lie and say the game is better now than then, when you know it's not true.
I played SWG from day 1, I know how it was before the CU / NGE.. unbalanced and not fun.
Well I bet SOE/LA are glad they catered to YOUR subscription and forgot about the 250,000 other paying subscribers that quit within 6 months of the NGE... I bet they sit in the boardroom and think, WOW, he likes the NGE better.
Quick math...
1 X 15/month = $15/month
249,000 X 15/month = 3,735,000/month
I really hope other companies don't utilize your business model.
i agree with ragemaster 100% it is a much better game then it used to be but i would love to play the pre cu again bec back then you had to work for stuff you had to work to ebcome a jedi but now u just amke one and that takes the fun out of it when there are more then 100 jedi in one spot so ya
my friends do not read and believe what the fanbots say. swg nge sucks and it will suck and it is the worst mmo to ever come out.
i have 250k friends who believe this i have 250k friends who will be back in no time if they rollback to the pre-cu something that should happen.
swg is not a good game it is a lame warcraft clone that no one likes. it will never get new players and us vets will be here forever fighting $OE if we have too. if you want a good game then say the words rollback to the pre-cu. that is the only way swg will ever be a good game again.
let me say this much we didn't need this lame content we had great content in the pre-cu. do you know we had pvp battles that lasted all weekend? do you know the joy you got when you unlocked jedi? do you know how much more fun and player friendly the game was back then? and how the game had much more balance then it ever had in the nge.
you must fight $OE we must reclaim the pre-cu. we must show the gaming world that we want games like swg pre-cu. and we must run the fanbois and fanbots out of town.
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we have won and the mmo world knows it and awaits the return of the pre-cu
You have 'won' a crappy game that nobody wants to play. Congratulations!
The only way this game will EVER come back is under a new dev team and production house.
If the game ever does 'come back', you can bet even alot of us embittered vets will try it.. But that will never happen and this game will never be a success. Even if they rolled back the servers to pre CU/NGE, it won't matter because it's frankly troo late.
Nobody in the corporate structure will admit to making a mistake so they keep on giving you utter shit which you swallow like it's smores.
Is the NGE better t han when it launcherd. YES. Anybody would be absurd to say anything else.
Is it better than classic even with all it's flaws? NO.
If it was, you could add 100k subs tomorrow., but it isn't, so you can't.
You and SOE = Epic Fail
I don't know, but for some reason I just don't quite trust the opinion of someone who was claiming they hadn't encountered that many bugs on 11/16/05. I just can't put my finger on the reason why...
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/562171#562171
I do have to wonder how the NGE went from being "probably the best decision the EVER made" to not being "all that bad" though.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/561068#561068
The game is horrible. That is the primary reason the servers are all but empty. It is, without any hyperbole, the worst MMO currently available. I tried it out during the vet trial this past February, and the game is still flat out horrible. The only semi-intelligent thought the Smed ever had was when he posted that the player population wouldn't increase until the game reached a baseline fun level. He was absolutely correct. The continued decline in players reflects the lack of fun available in Star Wars Galaxies.
To the OP:
You lose credibility for sanity when you call the NGE the savior of SWG. Sorry but subscription numbers point to just the opposite.
SWG could have fixed some of the imbalances you talk about. Instead they crapped on their customers and now they are getting what all businesses get when they forget who pays their bills.
Bwhahah Obee, that is to funny. The original posters comments from nov 15th 05 are just downright laughable.
Wow...flamebait...
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
meh okay if you say so however I'm in one of the older guilds in the game and its filled with vets. We have fun. I hate WoW and I have absolutely hated every MMORPG recently released. This game is much more fun and so I play it. Somehow people see this as a bad thing. I guess no one here plays video games any longer and is just here to sit and pine over something they can't get back and never will get back like a lost childhood or something. This is fine however on a scale of being healthy I wont comment past this. It was just a game and still is just a game and believe it or not there are people who enjoy it for what it is now and have long gotten over the past and moved forward. If one day I come across a game that is better then this game I will probably switch as the engines and graphics will be newer and it will be well a different game to play as well as the SWG one. Maybe it will even be good enough to take its place, but until then I'm playing this one along with a great many other people and enjoying it.
So bye continue on your path and continue to live in the past and see a game that was basically just "okay" to start with and never was "great" through some haze in your rose colour glasses. I personally think that a lot of people are just being silly and punishing themselves but that's me. You wont get back what you had, but this game is fun and well to be honest just as good and just as bad as the original its only different. That's life /shrugs
You hate WoW yet you play a game that plays like a broken version of WoW, and who imitates everything WoW does...?
Pre-CU was "just okay" but the only good elements of current SWG come from Pre-CU...
Ironic on both parts.
Tecmo Bowl.
No this game is nothing like wow save their attempt at "heroic instances"
crafting is still better then most games out there and I have fun doing it as a result
player housing. WoW has none of that at all to my knowledge unless they snuck it in later on. Still SWG is the only game where you can build your own house where you want and make cities and town where you want
PvP doesn't play like wow they have "battle grounds"
WoW is elves I hate elves I like space
Mounts and vehicles.. the only ones in WoW that exist are those quested mounts
Mounts and vehicles in SWG well we make those too
Space .. well I really enjoy space and space mining and like to decorate my ships as I choose
Storytelling.. pretty cool stuff and reasonably new. I'm a socializer I like to make events this is the ultimate event tool. I can make party venues, Gladiator tournaments all kinds of things heck even an xmas event using the wookie day stuff.. WoW .. well its all generated by the company
There are a lot of things in this game that WoW does not contain but meh whatever stopping to type now as these are the most glaring differences that exist that hit you over the head like a ton of bricks!
*shakes head at the WoW comparisons*
Smuggler and squad leader were the most neglected professions in the game back the, SL got the revamp much too late (2 weeks before NGE release).
As for other professions, ranger was VERY useful, our guild used them alot back then. I know when you pvped back then you only saw: Jedi, TKM or fencer and the occasional combat medic. But now you won't see much of a difference: BH, Jedi and occasional officer while other professions remains in shadows.
I have some screenshots from pre-CU that had plenty of different professions in there. If you look around the net for some old screenshots of big battles I assure you'll find several different professions in those pictures. Screenshots nowadays will show Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, BH, officer, and more Jedi.
If the current game were so good, where are the players? (Not on 20+ servers)
Why should anyone pay a premium monthly fee to play a game that is "Not that bad"? (It's not bad, it's worse.)
f Pre-CU was so bad, then why were so many people playing back then?
If SWGNGE is so good, why can you not find it in store anymore (as $OE stopped printing disks) and barely be able to download it?
If Pre-CU was so bad, why are fanbois threatened by vets wanting classic servers?
If SWG (and other $OE games for that matter) is so good, why has $OE ceased to exist?
If $OE puts out and runs such great products, why do they have the worst rep in the industry?
If SWG was not a sad, sorry joke, would any of this even be an issue?
Things for the boosters to consider......
Just because its kinda funny but anyhow
SWG did well until lineage 2 and WoW came along and then populations started to drop
SWG is also getting a bit long in the tooth so 20+ servers is a bit much for an older game even if it is doing well..
SWG is good and was good both versions are good and for many of the same reasons for those who do play it.
I doubt fanbois are threatened and I'm never quite sure what a fanbois is other then someone likes something as compared to someone who doesnt like it.. So Iguess technically that would make me a fanbois and a vet who if a classic server was released would play on both servers
As for rep i dont really know about that I play games I like every coporation has a bad rep and most corporation have crappy customer server including the phone company bell canada and the cable company rogers cable. However since both have a product I want I buy it and ignore the crappy service and bad rep they have.. Its a sign of the times I"m afraid and just a part of our evergrowing lack of personal touch that gets applied. However if i didn't get things from crappy service providers who may or may not have bad reps. I would have no phone, no cable probably most of my furntiure and live in a tent out in the back yard and would not be playing any video games by any company because quite franky they all have something wrong with them and all suck.
/shrugs
anyhow good night
just logged off from SWG you know the crappy game with so much competition I can't decide which of the lesser evils to do with. .. that i play on my crappy interenet with a computer that likely has more sony parts in it then I am aware and dont quite franky care cause they work and make it go person waving the swg disk I got as part of a package last week for a freetrial that I might just start another account with if the spirit moves me ..
Sometimes moving forward means going backwards. For example BM was an attempt to achieve this, unfortunetly for many it failed to capture what was so enticing about CH in the frst place.
Did you see how people talked about how better the game was once things were re-introduced? There is no dening that the NGE gets better for those who like it when elements of pre-CU are brought back, but 10 steps back then 3 forward still doesn't put you in the lead. It only helps to bring you closer to where you were.
Just because I can and it hurt my eyes.
You just reinforced my point...
The BEST things about the NGE come from Pre-CU. The NGE is a combination of Pre-CU and WoW, with some Tabula Rasa thrown in.
Housing, crafting, space, mounts, vehicles, PvP, etc, etc ALL come from Pre-CU SWG. Crafting was MUCH better in Pre-CU SWG.
Levels, the pet system, classes, animations are almost a direct copy of what WoW offers. They were changed to be like WoW, SOE and LA have both told us that.
The only thing that the NGE offers that is worth anything that Pre-CU didn't is the storyteller option.
Other than that the NGE gutted Pre-CU of all the free play style it offered, it placed us all in restricted paths with levels and classes (stolen from WoW), it sped up our combat 5X (which has caused greatly increased lag), and it has added almost nothing worthwhile to the game.
In the meantime subscriptions have dropped to record lows, WoW is about to launch it's 2nd expansion since the NGE, and most of the people who paid to play SWG are spending their money on other games or waiting for something worth playing.
I miss SWG as much as anyone but it is the fanboy mentality that keeps these companies from advancing. People willing to pay for games like SWG:NGE and who blindly defend the game that is arguably still in Beta keep the industry from truly advancing and giving us freedom in gaming.
It's a strange situation.
Tecmo Bowl.
I think that is what most people miss in the grand scheme of things. Well said Thunderous, well said.
You just reinforced my point...
The BEST things about the NGE come from Pre-CU. The NGE is a combination of Pre-CU and WoW, with some Tabula Rasa thrown in.
Housing, crafting, space, mounts, vehicles, PvP, etc, etc ALL come from Pre-CU SWG. Crafting was MUCH better in Pre-CU SWG.
Levels, the pet system, classes, animations are almost a direct copy of what WoW offers. They were changed to be like WoW, SOE and LA have both told us that.
The only thing that the NGE offers that is worth anything that Pre-CU didn't is the storyteller option.
Other than that the NGE gutted Pre-CU of all the free play style it offered, it placed us all in restricted paths with levels and classes (stolen from WoW), it sped up our combat 5X (which has caused greatly increased lag), and it has added almost nothing worthwhile to the game.
In the meantime subscriptions have dropped to record lows, WoW is about to launch it's 2nd expansion since the NGE, and most of the people who paid to play SWG are spending their money on other games or waiting for something worth playing.
I miss SWG as much as anyone but it is the fanboy mentality that keeps these companies from advancing. People willing to pay for games like SWG:NGE and who blindly defend the game that is arguably still in Beta keep the industry from truly advancing and giving us freedom in gaming.
It's a strange situation.
I'm simply trying to point out that its still as good a game was it was back then now when they have reintrocudes some things and made it so that I can "kill stuff" I came back. A lot of people for some reason either refuse to look and are punishing themselves or are denying the fact that although its not identical they have presently in this game added elements to please the WoW crowd and to please the previous crowd. All this call for a complete rollback will probably result in loss of the present subscribers with no guarantee of the past subscribers returning. If they are not returning now with more and more things being put back now including attachments which are by the way no longer loot drops they are crafted.. (that used to be all loot drops and there is a complaint about that everything is loot drops and modelled after WoW well here is an example of quite the opposite. ) then they wont ever return. So all this angst and continued hashing and rehashing something which I think any sane individual can acknowledge will never be put back in its entirety is for nothing. They are fixing the crafting proffs that are needing fixing to add some value to them. As far as I am concerned the only issues with combat are the targetting system and the fact that there are too many jedi .. so combat is basically fixed. It was due for a massive nerf anyhow due to the fact that in most cases it was truly unbalanced. I think the CH and bio engineer can be improved upon but only in so much as i liked pet furniture.. but the rest of the proff well its fine and balanced whereas before it was not. So In my selfish want for pet furniture which is just fluff I would like that ability but to be honest that's trivial. I have proven I would think that the entire game is in fact still there. Proffs have been fixed and they are giving jedi what looks to me like a massive nerf which WILL decrease their numbers Plus they are making weaponsmith a bit more viable. So is the old content really gone? No its not that is the point. They have added some heroic instances which you can do or not do its totally up to the individual and hey no one is gonna be mad at you if you dont play them. So a great deal of the game has been put back but STILL people complain yet me a vet who has returned because a lot of what i wanted is now there save the pet furniture and a few other things personally feels that people are infact punishing self in some need to keep up an old hatred campaign over something that in all essense has pretty much been fixed. The jedi thing I never paid much attention to anyhow as I was one of those individuals who didn't much care about the jedi stuff i prefered to hunt them and craft. Even my original template is actually doable now which was MCM/Pistoleer. Its there and I can do it. The only thing I can't do is craft the heals and poisons. This was the reason i respecced to BH after the initial combat upgrade because I enjoyed making the heals and poisons and selling them. Well I now have 2 slots so i can craft something else. Heck i even make mounts now. So I"m having fun and a great deal of fun and more fun then i have had in any mmorpg since I Left SWG. What that says to me is SWG is stll the best game I have enountered warts and all. It was still back then the best game I had encountered warts and all. I just wish that people would stop thinking that suddenly others are "idiots" for buying the product which in essence is stil there because now they are actualy lumping themslves in as they are still pining for what if you read what some posters say almost appears to be the second coming of the messiah. Its a fun game and it was a fun game back then and its now because I can now manage to aim and shoot a gun and do what i enjoy now also a fun game. What it was when I wasn't there I considered unplayable, but its just mere coincidence i stuck the disks in the disk drive otherwise I would not have made this discovery.
this was your past comment in that this game SWG is like a version of WOW now your basicaly saying otherwise. I have shown you its not like WoW so why do you say its like WoW and then say its not like WoW?
I Those good elements are there and wont be leaving. That's the point the unbalanced combat was NOT a good element and its gone. Some other things that are going to make this post much longer that were BAD elements are gone they have removed that and added content that you can choose to do or not do. People seem to have had issues with the two expansions released as well. YOu know those were good expansions. So to me it looks like most people want the original part of the game minus all expansions and added bells and whistles that you dont have to do ifyou dont want to. Its entirely up to the individual. Personaly I dont understand the logic behind some of what people say. However they are for the most case at this point in time being pretty darned illogical anyhow. The game is there and the CORE game still exists you can still do that, but now you can do other stuff as well. So personaly again I will state I dont get it. Asside from putting in all the proffs that are basically still there only less tailorable beacuse of the fact that they were in fact way way unbalanced its still there. If they fixed the targetting system a bit it would all be there. Again its totally illogical at this point. People are from what I can see saying "yeah its almost identical but not exact therefore I'm gonna dig my heals in until its identical" however by many peoples own admission they have retained what was GOOD about the old version and added new stuff. So I guess I can only ask "what's not to like" if you liked the original game it still exists but now there is other stuff to do as well..
/meh
*still doesn't get it an never will*
The one that really gets me is the guy who keeps posting about it like he is waiting for the return of the mesiah. I swear its almost like a religious experience to some other then just a game that has had to undergo a massive redesign and that is now getting very old and so due to its age wil never pick up the subscriber it had not with titles that use new engines like age of conan coming out that will present even competition I think for games like WoW.
Realistically as one who prefers space i'm looking to stargate worlds. If its any good do you honestly think that an game with older graphics and engines will compete with a brand new game in the same genre with new engines, graphics ? The answer is no. All games have a life span. Considering there are 20 servers open and not one has closed that's pretty good considering the age of the game.
Don't you mean, Remember how overpowered and unbalanced CH was before it was nerfed?
you guys are so ignorant. I think SWG is better off without the 249,999 fanboi's who don't know SHIT about MMO's and BALANCE.
This game only improved with NGE/CU and the mass exodus of cry babies was an added bonus.
For the people that are so in love with the NGE, vets and newbs alike, all i will say is this. For the vets, you know the game was bettetr back in it's origional state, end of discussion. I still every once and awhile read up what's happeniong on the O forums and there is more bitching and moaning going on than there ever was back then. I guess the new changes being made to jedi, plus all the deserted servers must count for nothing.
For the people who never played pre-cu, you missed out on the single most fun, immersed and lively community that an MMO ever had, end of discussion.
To the OP, nice little try and making SWG seem like it's the bomb of MMO's and all that. I just read the thread on the O forums about how do we the last and stupid try and get more people back to playing, because everyday we lose more subs from what the idotic devs keep feeding and putting into the game.
Wakeup call, SWG Is on it's last leg. Have some gumption and stand tall, play all you can play until they pull the plug, but whatever you do, don't sit and lie and say the game is better now than then, when you know it's not true.
I played SWG from day 1, I know how it was before the CU / NGE.. unbalanced and not fun.
I played SWG from day 1, I know how it was before the CU / NGE.. unbalanced and not fun.
Well I bet SOE/LA are glad they catered to YOUR subscription and forgot about the 250,000 other paying subscribers that quit within 6 months of the NGE... I bet they sit in the boardroom and think, WOW, he likes the NGE better.
Quick math...
1 X 15/month = $15/month
249,000 X 15/month = 3,735,000/month
I really hope other companies don't utilize your business model.
Tecmo Bowl.
i agree with ragemaster 100% it is a much better game then it used to be but i would love to play the pre cu again bec back then you had to work for stuff you had to work to ebcome a jedi but now u just amke one and that takes the fun out of it when there are more then 100 jedi in one spot so ya
my friends do not read and believe what the fanbots say. swg nge sucks and it will suck and it is the worst mmo to ever come out.
i have 250k friends who believe this i have 250k friends who will be back in no time if they rollback to the pre-cu something that should happen.
swg is not a good game it is a lame warcraft clone that no one likes. it will never get new players and us vets will be here forever fighting $OE if we have too. if you want a good game then say the words rollback to the pre-cu. that is the only way swg will ever be a good game again.
let me say this much we didn't need this lame content we had great content in the pre-cu. do you know we had pvp battles that lasted all weekend? do you know the joy you got when you unlocked jedi? do you know how much more fun and player friendly the game was back then? and how the game had much more balance then it ever had in the nge.
you must fight $OE we must reclaim the pre-cu. we must show the gaming world that we want games like swg pre-cu. and we must run the fanbois and fanbots out of town.