"It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall."
This would be a lot more convincing if they hadn't already missed two betas. Remember the Great Clan Beta of 2005? They took sign-ups and everything. Boy did that fizzle out.
Mr Flambouras:
"Something that Darkfall has that other games may lack during testing is help from the AI. In Darkfall the game doesn't really distinguish between a player and the AI. The AI are bots actually living their life and skilling up within the game. The AI has been helping us test a large part of the game almost as if players were in it."
Darkfall, the game that is everything to everybody and has every feature imaginable, has just added one more feature: radiant AI, a la Oblivion, only much better!
Mr Flambouras:
"We dismiss this kind of ranting though because it's almost never well-intentioned, and often created in a negative effort to boost other games, or they're stunts trying to use the active Darkfall community to fire up their own. It's easy to be cynical: Why should Darkfall work if nobody's ever tried this before? I would think however that this should be a compelling reason to root for it, as many of you do."
This is an old trick: bring up a an obvious weakness, and spin it into a strength.
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
Mr Flambouras: "It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall."
This would be a lot more convincing if they hadn't already missed two betas. Remember the Great Clan Beta of 2005? They took sign-ups and everything. Boy did that fizzle out. Their beta did "fizzle" out but then again name a game that hasn't missed a beta. Mr Flambouras: "Something that Darkfall has that other games may lack during testing is help from the AI. In Darkfall the game doesn't really distinguish between a player and the AI. The AI are bots actually living their life and skilling up within the game. The AI has been helping us test a large part of the game almost as if players were in it." Darkfall, the game that is everything to everybody and has every feature imaginable, has just added one more feature: radiant AI, a la Oblivion, only much better! This has already been one of the features planned. Perhaps you should read up on it a little more.
Mr Flambouras: "We dismiss this kind of ranting though because it's almost never well-intentioned, and often created in a negative effort to boost other games, or they're stunts trying to use the active Darkfall community to fire up their own. It's easy to be cynical: Why should Darkfall work if nobody's ever tried this before? I would think however that this should be a compelling reason to root for it, as many of you do."
This is an old trick: bring up a an obvious weakness, and spin it into a strength.
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps....sling some more insults. Maybe people will believe in DF if you just insult them more often!
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
Really? Inviting some random fan that goes to Greece isn't inviting random people?
Well he asked for to come along and Aventurine allowed the visit ...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?
It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?
It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall. And we don't know about features not working at this point ...right !?
You should know that..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?
It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?
It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?
It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
dnl and darkfall have nothing in common.
get over it
Did you even read what I said, or did you just see DFO and DnL in the same post?
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time
Ummm..news flash...they are not...at least not the normal kinda beta. It is supposedly an "internal" beta...one that has been going on for over 4 years! Bwhahaha....please....if you believe that...pssst...hey. I have this bridge in New York...almost like new! I'll sell it to you cheap!
Why is it difficult to believe ? adding functionality followed by internal testing, its usual process..
Do you have sources prove they not internal testing ? or pro testing ?
all you admit is "i won't believe what tasos says"
and i say to you
I simply don't believe what you say ...you lie ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
they mention they are beta testing it at this point in time instead of inviting randem people like other mmos there doing it entirly diffrent that any other group
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?
It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
features that don't work like on paper will get sorted by bot testing and internal testing tasos said, live with that or move to other game ...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I wouldn't go there, I can name a couple features both advertised that are very similar to each other, but I'm not going to go there. That wasn't the intention of my post.
I know what you mean. I feel I raised a valid concern. If what the post I quoted is true, I think thats something that should be a concern for anyone that wants to see this game come to fruition, instead of turned a blind eye to. Something a lot of people are so willing to do here. I just don't understand it. It's got nothing to do with being a fanboi or a hater/troll but a lot to do with being a smart consumer. The developers are more than welcome to develop this game however they want, however "we" shouldn't take so lightly the fact that those developers would rather let a couple internal beta testers and "bots" play test a game that assumingly will have to deal with possibly 20k concurrent users in addition to those "bots". I don't care how much they're paying those people, they will not find all the issues that the players will and eventually it will possibly turn into another charged beta, no matter how you look at it.
I know what you mean. I feel I raised a valid concern. If what the post I quoted is true, I think thats something that should be a concern for anyone that wants to see this game come to fruition, instead of turned a blind eye to. Something a lot of people are so willing to do here. I just don't understand it. It's got nothing to do with being a fanboi or a hater/troll but a lot to do with being a smart consumer. The developers are more than welcome to develop this game however they want, however "we" shouldn't take so lightly the fact that those developers would rather let a couple internal beta testers and "bots" play test a game that assumingly will have to deal with possibly 20k concurrent users in addition to those "bots". I don't care how much they're paying those people, they will not find all the issues that the players will and eventually it will possibly turn into another charged beta, no matter how you look at it.
Quote from Journal
"That's the best way to decide if the game is fun, something you really can't have an opinion on when it's not near-complete. In the playtesting phase, we're not looking for testers, we're looking for players, the same way most people enter a beta: to try out and play the game rather than help the developer with quality assurance."
end quote
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Simply put an open beta drags in players who wanna see a function, polished game that suits them and is nearly publish ready to make up their decision about buy or not ..
These folks are not bug freeing material or do you expect a hater here has an intention to help DarkFall , common look at the posts here...this open beta you request would open up the game for haters in the very sensible phase of bug-freeing
This job is better getting done by pro tester ....professional, discretional and well payed for..
And on the end hater still have the chance to decide if they wanna join by this open "playerbeta" that will be hopefully bugfree so the haters don't have material to shoot at the game ...
I like your idea of all working together for an enjoyfull goal. The Company , the community all friendly helping each other , but look around you ...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Tasos reminds me of that kid in school that would brag to everyone about all the Nintendo games he had at home. After you got the chance to go to the kids house, you find out he only has Duck Hunt and Exite Bike. You then ask the kid... so ummm... I thought that you had this game and that game, the kid says... oh I lent them to my friend.
What a lame arse Dev journal! Grow some rocks Tasos! If they want Darkfall to be tested, let the community of people who have been waiting for many years play and test the game. Tasos should just say we are working on the game and it will not be out for a very, very long time.
thats what they said when people starting trying to make airplanes too. allt he naysayers then was proved wrong. the naysayers will be proven wrong here.
The point is they are in beta testing. the devs are real gamers. they know how to exploit things i bet the pro testers do to. closed beta is closed beta no matter whos testing. Let wiat and see if it works out when playtesting starts. pro testers at least wont break the nda
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No dude...just no. Every MMO company is full of "gamers". Blizzard ran internal testing too....wanna guess at how many game destroying exploits and bugs their LITERAL professionals couldn't catch that actual gaming masses did? Go try and read through the first years patch notes alone. Thousands. You do NOT rely on in-house testing for shit. Its used to make sure a mass beta will actually be playable enough that people won't be inclined to burn your house down for even trying to play the game.
If these guys are skipping a mass beta, thats the final straw. There is no chance in hell this is real...no intelligent person thinks that a handful of in-house guys could even find 1/10000th of the major issues that are going to be present.
By the by.....Pro Testers (in house employees) break NDA's all the time. We've seen A LOT disclosed in the past from other companies in house team. If anything...they break it worse, because they have a lot more incriminating information to give. I'd much rather have some random player talk smack...generally speaking no one ever listens to him anyway. When Tom the project manager talks, though, people listen and judge.
This job is better getting done by pro tester ....professional, discretional and well payed for.. And on the end hater still have the chance to decide if they wanna join by this open "playerbeta" that will be hopefully bugfree so the haters don't have material to shoot at the game ... I like your idea of all working together for an enjoyfull goal. The Company , the community all friendly helping each other , but look around you ...
If you think a handful of company jockeys has any chance of making this "playtesting" phase bug free...or even playable...then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Some of the largest issues in a game are ever only uncovered when a mass of players descends upon your world with a lust for exploiting every last inch of it to their twisted desires.
A whole bunch of major issues get patched in most games open beta, just check in on what Blizzard worked on while they were in open. They had to retool a ton of just basic class elements...and STILL had to go back later and do it over again on live. There are no professional testers, thats just a stupid ideal. There are gamers, and then there are power-hungry min/maxing powergamers. You need more than a handful of powergamers to figure out just how stupid you've been with some of your concepts when making a game.
well yea darkfall inst going to do a pre order either. dark and light did also dnl had a time limti on it darkfall wont
At least Dark & Light did something that I doubt we'll see DFO ever do. They actually launched the MMO. Sorry to say it, D&L may have been crooks, but at least they had the nads to show the world what they had, good or bad. Going forward, DFO should just go into a total media blackout until they actually have something. Dev journal #25 is a joke and waste of web space.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Comments
Mr Flambouras:
"It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall."
This would be a lot more convincing if they hadn't already missed two betas. Remember the Great Clan Beta of 2005? They took sign-ups and everything. Boy did that fizzle out.
Mr Flambouras:
"Something that Darkfall has that other games may lack during testing is help from the AI. In Darkfall the game doesn't really distinguish between a player and the AI. The AI are bots actually living their life and skilling up within the game. The AI has been helping us test a large part of the game almost as if players were in it."
Darkfall, the game that is everything to everybody and has every feature imaginable, has just added one more feature: radiant AI, a la Oblivion, only much better!
Mr Flambouras:
"We dismiss this kind of ranting though because it's almost never well-intentioned, and often created in a negative effort to boost other games, or they're stunts trying to use the active Darkfall community to fire up their own. It's easy to be cynical: Why should Darkfall work if nobody's ever tried this before? I would think however that this should be a compelling reason to root for it, as many of you do."
This is an old trick: bring up a an obvious weakness, and spin it into a strength.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps....sling some more insults. Maybe people will believe in DF if you just insult them more often!
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
You mean mum and dad who let him live in the cellar?
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I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
well yea darkfall inst going to do a pre order either.
dark and light did also dnl had a time limti on it darkfall wont
Really? Inviting some random fan that goes to Greece isn't inviting random people?
Well he asked for to come along and Aventurine allowed the visit ...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
They basically just said they aren't going to have an open beta...you've been saying you had knowledge of open beta this year for like a month now.I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall. And we don't know about features not working at this point ...right !?
You should know that..
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
dnl and darkfall have nothing in common.get over it
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
dnl and darkfall have nothing in common.get over it
Did you even read what I said, or did you just see DFO and DnL in the same post?
Ummm..news flash...they are not...at least not the normal kinda beta. It is supposedly an "internal" beta...one that has been going on for over 4 years! Bwhahaha....please....if you believe that...pssst...hey. I have this bridge in New York...almost like new! I'll sell it to you cheap!
Why is it difficult to believe ? adding functionality followed by internal testing, its usual process..Do you have sources prove they not internal testing ? or pro testing ?
all you admit is "i won't believe what tasos says"
and i say to you
I simply don't believe what you say ...you lie ..
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I think that you need to recheck your ":you'll all be wrong soon" attitude.
Perhaps your would like to read through that again. They said that their open beta will just be a free pre-release play of the game. I think you really need to work on that reading comprehension that you lack.
That's not exactly an open beta than is it. I can think of another game that had a similar "free pre-release" play period of the game, Dark and Light. Before anyone decides to chime in and say you had to pay for that, no you didn't. They offered a free chance to get it for a certain period of time. Thankfully I got it and I'm glad I did. Saved me a major headache from that game.
Is this here a thread about D&L ?
Do you have a problem with me commenting on a possible similarity between the two? I explained why I thought that, what more do you want?It just seems to me DFO devs won't be open to player input at all with the way they're going. Sure for the most part player input on a whole is garbage, but to completely alienate and take the players out of the entire development process all together is like shooting yourself in the foot. What happens when certain game mechanics just do not work as intended with the different types of possible play styles out there, then what? I'm not talking about people that aren't interested in the game, I'm talking about sometimes features just don't function ingame as well as they look on paper.
Anything you experienced with DnL is irrelevant to current DarkFall.
You should know that..
Only because the actual release of Darkfall is still a question. If it in fact does continue in the path that was mentioned in the post I quoted than my comment is valid.
features that don't work like on paper will get sorted by bot testing and internal testing tasos said, live with that or move to other game ...
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
get over it
I wouldn't go there, I can name a couple features both advertised that are very similar to each other, but I'm not going to go there. That wasn't the intention of my post.
you know what i mean ..
I know what you mean. I feel I raised a valid concern. If what the post I quoted is true, I think thats something that should be a concern for anyone that wants to see this game come to fruition, instead of turned a blind eye to. Something a lot of people are so willing to do here. I just don't understand it. It's got nothing to do with being a fanboi or a hater/troll but a lot to do with being a smart consumer. The developers are more than welcome to develop this game however they want, however "we" shouldn't take so lightly the fact that those developers would rather let a couple internal beta testers and "bots" play test a game that assumingly will have to deal with possibly 20k concurrent users in addition to those "bots". I don't care how much they're paying those people, they will not find all the issues that the players will and eventually it will possibly turn into another charged beta, no matter how you look at it.
hahaha holy crap
I bet he has a .txt file at hand and copy paste lines from the past 7 years and labels it "New Dev journal"
Keep on waiting guys!! show em how loyal you are!!
I know what you mean. I feel I raised a valid concern. If what the post I quoted is true, I think thats something that should be a concern for anyone that wants to see this game come to fruition, instead of turned a blind eye to. Something a lot of people are so willing to do here. I just don't understand it. It's got nothing to do with being a fanboi or a hater/troll but a lot to do with being a smart consumer. The developers are more than welcome to develop this game however they want, however "we" shouldn't take so lightly the fact that those developers would rather let a couple internal beta testers and "bots" play test a game that assumingly will have to deal with possibly 20k concurrent users in addition to those "bots". I don't care how much they're paying those people, they will not find all the issues that the players will and eventually it will possibly turn into another charged beta, no matter how you look at it.
Quote from Journal
"That's the best way to decide if the game is fun, something you really can't have an opinion on when it's not near-complete. In the playtesting phase, we're not looking for testers, we're looking for players, the same way most people enter a beta: to try out and play the game rather than help the developer with quality assurance."
end quote
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Simply put an open beta drags in players who wanna see a function, polished game that suits them and is nearly publish ready to make up their decision about buy or not ..
These folks are not bug freeing material or do you expect a hater here has an intention to help DarkFall , common look at the posts here...this open beta you request would open up the game for haters in the very sensible phase of bug-freeing
This job is better getting done by pro tester ....professional, discretional and well payed for..
And on the end hater still have the chance to decide if they wanna join by this open "playerbeta" that will be hopefully bugfree so the haters don't have material to shoot at the game ...
I like your idea of all working together for an enjoyfull goal. The Company , the community all friendly helping each other , but look around you ...
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Tasos reminds me of that kid in school that would brag to everyone about all the Nintendo games he had at home. After you got the chance to go to the kids house, you find out he only has Duck Hunt and Exite Bike. You then ask the kid... so ummm... I thought that you had this game and that game, the kid says... oh I lent them to my friend.
What a lame arse Dev journal! Grow some rocks Tasos! If they want Darkfall to be tested, let the community of people who have been waiting for many years play and test the game. Tasos should just say we are working on the game and it will not be out for a very, very long time.
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No dude...just no. Every MMO company is full of "gamers". Blizzard ran internal testing too....wanna guess at how many game destroying exploits and bugs their LITERAL professionals couldn't catch that actual gaming masses did? Go try and read through the first years patch notes alone. Thousands. You do NOT rely on in-house testing for shit. Its used to make sure a mass beta will actually be playable enough that people won't be inclined to burn your house down for even trying to play the game.
If these guys are skipping a mass beta, thats the final straw. There is no chance in hell this is real...no intelligent person thinks that a handful of in-house guys could even find 1/10000th of the major issues that are going to be present.
By the by.....Pro Testers (in house employees) break NDA's all the time. We've seen A LOT disclosed in the past from other companies in house team. If anything...they break it worse, because they have a lot more incriminating information to give. I'd much rather have some random player talk smack...generally speaking no one ever listens to him anyway. When Tom the project manager talks, though, people listen and judge.
If you think a handful of company jockeys has any chance of making this "playtesting" phase bug free...or even playable...then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Some of the largest issues in a game are ever only uncovered when a mass of players descends upon your world with a lust for exploiting every last inch of it to their twisted desires.
A whole bunch of major issues get patched in most games open beta, just check in on what Blizzard worked on while they were in open. They had to retool a ton of just basic class elements...and STILL had to go back later and do it over again on live. There are no professional testers, thats just a stupid ideal. There are gamers, and then there are power-hungry min/maxing powergamers. You need more than a handful of powergamers to figure out just how stupid you've been with some of your concepts when making a game.
At least Dark & Light did something that I doubt we'll see DFO ever do. They actually launched the MMO. Sorry to say it, D&L may have been crooks, but at least they had the nads to show the world what they had, good or bad. Going forward, DFO should just go into a total media blackout until they actually have something. Dev journal #25 is a joke and waste of web space.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."