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list of lost items, features and progress over the course of SWG
ArcAngel3
Member Posts: 2,931
Buy new expansion (rage of the wookies) that gives you access to new loot: a few months later, item disabled.
Buy new expansion (Trials of ObiWan) to get new creatures to tame: 2 weeks later, profession that tames creatures deleted.
Buy new expansion ToOW and get items for other professions: those professions also deleted.
Get loot in expansion that modifies combat attributes: combat attributes then removed from game 2 weeks later.
Quest for a year or more to unlock jedi: jedi unlock and all quests related to this deleted from the game.
Buy armour in the game for a few million: next day can't wear any of it due to new armour certification for professions.
Get veteran reward for loyalty to the game: veteran reward converted into something with little value to begin with and then no value at all when respec npcs are introduced.
All levels deleted when first using the respec npc "gift" to players, due to game breaking bug. CSR's initially refuse to restore levels, then eventually relent due to pressure.
Purchase or craft material needed for buffs: game change renders all that crafted material useless, all time and credits now wasted. Buffs no longer require these crafted items.
Told by CSRs that the only way you can get an ITV is to buy the starter kit: after saying this, ITV's become available to others ingame.
Spend millions on material and hours on crafting and setting up your guild mall: crafting items become useless with superior loot in the NGE.
Spend years finding and taming creatures: creatures locked away from players that can only see them, but not interact with them for 2 years. Now they're available once again, but need to be raised from eggs.
Years spent building communities and cities based on previous game mechanics: cities and guilds emptied as a result of unexpected and unwanted changes to core game mechanics.
SOE, do you really wonder why people don't want to play your game or give you their money?
Feel free to add other examples of ways SOE has removed items, features, progress, or sold you something in an expansion that was later rendered useless.
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All of it true , sadly
Lets not forget that a lot of people were holocron grinding or grinding the village to get Jedi only to have all that work spat on by making jedi a starting profession with NGE.
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If nothing we do matters...then all that matters is what we do.
- Angel -
I was sad to see TEF gone but all the forum crybabies got rid of that and they even stopped decay from happening in the NGE too. I can't stand game forums just full of people who want everything to be easy and when they die they start crying about it.
I understand people's frustration with SOE and SWG. I was one of those vets who went through all the crap from launch until about 6 months after NGE was released, then I quit. I am just as disapointed in SOE as anyone.
However, isn't it about time we just let it all go. Get over it, put our energy into helping build up some other game community of some other game instead of continuing to tear down SOE and SWG? Hey, they screwed up...and badly.....but there comes a time when you just have to accept the mistakes that's been made and focus on the future. I just don't see any purpose in continuing to gripe about SWG when you know they really don't give a damn about what people say.
Mate if you don't have what it takes to stay the course so be it , but we should never "accept" being screwed over and it is never to late for justice .
I wont ever let it go because I don't want people to forgot what crap mmorpgs they make, hopefully they'll eventually do something about all the bad press they get.
To be fair they did make the Pre-CU game which you obviously loved, without them you wouldnt have had it at all. You should let it go because not letting it go doesnt achieve anything since every MMO company knows (many times over) that to make a mistake like the NGE is idiotic and doesnt work.
Every MMO company except SOE seems to know this :P
you don't get it do you saay.
the pre-cu game was done and people loved it. more people loved it then the lame nge and i will say this much if given the time and the money to do ads pre-cu swg would have hit 1 million players in no time.
yet they stole it from us they lied to our face and stole our system from us.
we will remind ever mmo maker in the world about what happen. we will remind $OE and the fanbois and fanbots about how our game was stolen untill they see that the pre-cu was the best way. not the warcraft system not making the game balanced not putting in lame content that no one likes and wants.
no they need to bring back pre-cu. they need to bring back alpha jedi they need to make more pvp in the game. and other makers are seeing this and making the games with the idea of making pre-cu vets happy. conan is all about pvp stargate will be all about pvp and unlocking alpha classes even warcraft is putting an alpha class in cuz people want all of that.
see saay the fanboi way of life is dieing like i said it would. very soon gaming will go back to what made it fun in the first place and the casual player will go back to watching rap videos on mtv trl.
SOE still launched SWG a buggy mess and made changes we didn't want during beta. They just kept ruining it as time went on and for me the NGE was the final straw.
To be fair they did make the Pre-CU game which you obviously loved, without them you wouldnt have had it at all. You should let it go because not letting it go doesnt achieve anything since every MMO company knows (many times over) that to make a mistake like the NGE is idiotic and doesnt work.The game was developed by Verant Interactive Inc. and$OE rushed it on the market to make cash without respect planned game features being ready or not ..
$OE are people full of greed you have to know ...
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
It's hard to let go of somthing like this because SOE and LA basically got away with robery hiding under a notice saying, "Online game experience may change." Months/Years of subscriptions sent in to fund the distruction of the current customer base, AND, there is nothing nobody can do about it outside of protest. I say let the protest continue if anything from a business point of view. If this had been another other entertainment type of product I wonder if they would have gotten a way with it, like cable TV, ISP's, that sort of thing.
It's hard to let go of somthing like this because SOE and LA basically got away with robery hiding under a notice saying, "Online game experience may change." Months/Years of subscriptions sent in to fund the distruction of the current customer base, AND, there is nothing nobody can do about it outside of protest. I say let the protest continue if anything from a business point of view. If this had been another other entertainment type of product I wonder if they would have gotten a way with it, like cable TV, ISP's, that sort of thing.
Don't accept the EULA if you don't agree with it. It's all legal.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
It's hard to let go of somthing like this because SOE and LA basically got away with robery hiding under a notice saying, "Online game experience may change." Months/Years of subscriptions sent in to fund the distruction of the current customer base, AND, there is nothing nobody can do about it outside of protest. I say let the protest continue if anything from a business point of view. If this had been another other entertainment type of product I wonder if they would have gotten a way with it, like cable TV, ISP's, that sort of thing.
Don't accept the EULA if you don't agree with it. It's all legal.
Legal maybe, ethical not necessaraly. If folks want to continue the protest, let them.
The game was developed by Verant Interactive Inc. and$OE rushed it on the market to make cash without respect planned game features being ready or not ..
$OE are people full of greed you have to know ...
Wasn't Verant Interactive the name of the company before they changed the name to SOE? I thought they were just the same people but just had a name change....
It's hard to let go of somthing like this because SOE and LA basically got away with robery hiding under a notice saying, "Online game experience may change." Months/Years of subscriptions sent in to fund the distruction of the current customer base, AND, there is nothing nobody can do about it outside of protest. I say let the protest continue if anything from a business point of view. If this had been another other entertainment type of product I wonder if they would have gotten a way with it, like cable TV, ISP's, that sort of thing.
Don't accept the EULA if you don't agree with it. It's all legal.
Legal maybe, ethical not necessaraly. If folks want to continue the protest, let them.
In fact, adertising something you plan NOT to deliver is fraud, and it's illegal. The EULA doesn't make it legal, what it does is make it confusing, and I would argue that this is its intent--to make consumers think that they have no rights to receive what they paid for, and to make legal respresentatives pause before investing their time and energy.
EULAs need to be more user friendly, and need to clearly fall in line with existing consumer protection legislation. SOE's EULA, in fact, includes a disclaimer that it may not be valid in some jurisdictions for the simple fact that it does not conform to relevant legislation.
So, if you think the EULA means you have no rights or recourse, don't be convinced until you've checked this out with legal representation. You may have more recourse than you think.
While the water around EULAs is muddy. I will continue to be vocal about SOE's business practices, particularly in SWG, so that people can make an accurately informed decision about playing.
It's hard to let go of somthing like this because SOE and LA basically got away with robery hiding under a notice saying, "Online game experience may change." Months/Years of subscriptions sent in to fund the distruction of the current customer base, AND, there is nothing nobody can do about it outside of protest. I say let the protest continue if anything from a business point of view. If this had been another other entertainment type of product I wonder if they would have gotten a way with it, like cable TV, ISP's, that sort of thing.
Don't accept the EULA if you don't agree with it. It's all legal.
Legal maybe, ethical not necessaraly. If folks want to continue the protest, let them.
In fact, adertising something you plan NOT to deliver is fraud, and it's illegal. The EULA doesn't make it legal, what it does is make it confusing, and I would argue that this is its intent--to make consumers think that they have no rights to receive what they paid for, and to make legal respresentatives pause before investing their time and energy.
EULAs need to be more user friendly, and need to clearly fall in line with existing consumer protection legislation. SOE's EULA, in fact, includes a disclaimer that it may not be valid in some jurisdictions for the simple fact that it does not conform to relevant legislation.
So, if you think the EULA means you have no rights or recourse, don't be convinced until you've checked this out with legal representation. You may have more recourse than you think.
While the water around EULAs is muddy. I will continue to be vocal about SOE's business practices, particularly in SWG, so that people can make an accurately informed decision about playing.
Exactly. If what SOE did wasn't illegal, they wouldn't have buckled under the pressure of a pending class action lawsuit about to explode over the ToOW expansion bait and switch. It was illegal and they know it. The ToOW end of things was the easiest to prove it's lack of legallity, and would easily lead to a very serious discussion with the authorities regarding the NGE's legallity on the whole. SOE offered the refund to disarm any legal mess that a class action would have uncovered concerning other aspects of the NGE in the court of law.
It's hard to let go of somthing like this because SOE and LA basically got away with robery hiding under a notice saying, "Online game experience may change." Months/Years of subscriptions sent in to fund the distruction of the current customer base, AND, there is nothing nobody can do about it outside of protest. I say let the protest continue if anything from a business point of view. If this had been another other entertainment type of product I wonder if they would have gotten a way with it, like cable TV, ISP's, that sort of thing.
Don't accept the EULA if you don't agree with it. It's all legal.
Actually it's not legal and they started offering refunds to those who tried hard enough to get them. It's quite illegal and SOE covered their butts by eventually offering a refund.
As usual Sam, you are just wrong.
Tecmo Bowl.
Seems to me the only people that want others to "get over it" are those that want to bury the truth and encourage those who know nothing of the history of SWG to subscribe to it.
Theres always jedi and frogs not being in the game at launch as advertised for SWG and EQ2. People spent months trying to figure something out that wasnt even in the game yet.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Fun.
That got taken away 11/15/05
Sadly I don't think there will ever be another game liek the original SWG, the "class" system was so awesome too...
Lost due to the nge ! player me lol 2 accounts
4 for me.
I had 1 account in Pre-CU, and have 4 active now in the NGE. Too much fun being a spy, bounty hunter and medic along with crafting professions for just one account.