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WoW's endgame consists of sitting in front of battlemaster ques to go into instances that have nothing to do with the world's environment.
You play ctf and capture nodes. Forget joining epic battles for cities and such.
Wow just isn't that great anymore.
The leveling experience is something I would recommend everybody try once to lvl 70. It's doesn't take all that long as far as MMOs are concerned.
I should also add how Arenas are ruined the game big time.
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And how long did it take you to reach this conclusion,most of us already knew :P.
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I never knew that the WoW end-game was doing battlegrounds.
Personally, i do the MMO thing; Do things (instances and raids) with the friends i have made.
wow the bad points
levelling has now become a bit qiucker i agree but sadley so much of the levveling fun has gone along with most of the instance runs the stockade and gnomeron rarley ever get a good mid 20's group mostley 1 player buying a run with a couple o lvl 70s for around 20g the next player chalenge will be zf in tanaris again rare groups if you get lucky blackfathom and sunken temple are now non exsistant and sadley this is the format even kara since the new patch is being passed over
the result of this is alot of players have no instance experiance at all so rather than make the grind from 1>50 a lot quicker and bring new patchs online blizard should put some more work into the earlier part of the game they seem to have got most of the game ex right chracters proffesions and so on just the grinding is wrong we need more content not at the high end more at the middle please
Battlegrounds are just part of WoW's 'end game'
WoW has so much more to offer:
Daily 'normal' dungeons until you're suffiicently geared for:
Daily heroic dungeons:
Non-daily quests (all of the level 65+ ones you missed reaching 70)
Non-daily group quests
Reputation grinds, which consists of : farming mobs for faction drops, doing the faction quests (which include things like flying mount bombing runs, flying mount races, avoiding anti-aircraft guns and the like, as well as the regular sort of quests.
And of course not forgetting the most developped part of WoW's end game:
10 man raids
25 man raids
And there's the arena ladder as well.
Oh and there's all kinds of mini-achievements you can get, such as saving for an epic flying mount, getting the rare tradeskill recipies, titles, unique mounts. There's the seasonal events which have season quests (last one had drunken ram racing)
There's also the World PvP objectives such as the Hellfire forts (which on my server are always busy because there's a daily PvP quest for it), and in Nagrand. The 6-hourly one in Terrokar which you MUST defend the towers if you want the spirit shards for the unique items in the instances.
Battlegrounds only indeed. I know I've missed a great deal out, but that should give you an idea. And are battlegrounds really so bad? Sometimes I won't do them for a few weeks but then other times I'll spend the whole weekend doing them, especially with the new AV where defending the towers is good fun especially with the impromptu 1v1s, 2v2, 3v3s, or the mad dash backwards to defend, AOE fearing people attacking the boss, or defending a tower or GY.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Well, one problem with your argument is that your relating WoW to its PvP experience. WoW is not a PvP game, its a PVE game that just happens to also have PvP.
However, Like you, many players have just burnt out on WoW. My concern is that the current crop of new releases are underwhelming and the highly anticipated MMORPGs are still months away. I worry that we may find that a large number of the current MMORPG players will be lost to other forms of games/entertainment and WoW's success of bringing in new players may be diminished.
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What you may not realize is that instances and raids supply gear that won't allow you to enter pvp. The resilience stat doesn't exist on those so you're just wasting time if pvp is your thing.
PvP sucks anyways. Chillin in the same 4 instances = bad
I think pvp is one of the things keeping WoW alive and popular. Even for the pve servers.
I loved doing instances, but since it's all about the honor grind for epics there's no point and no equivalent items coming out of 5 mans or even raids.
They really screwed this one up.
I have definitely burnt myself out on WoW's endgame. I'm not one to stick around whent he content runs dry.
There is however much more of it than other MMO I have ever played.
I spend 3/4 of all my game time in WoW doing endgame.
You can get resilience gear from PvE content. If you have good faction with the Sha Tar, a Vendor sells blue PvP gear. You can get a sort of hybrid PvP/PvE gear from the Auchidon vendor in Terrokar forest, but you need to do the the following to get it:
1) Capture the spirit towers - this is only possible every 6 hours, and obviously the opposing faction might fight you for it.
2) Run an Auchindon 5-man instance, as long as your faction holds control of the towers each of the bosses drops spirit shards, which are currency to buy items. 50 will get you an epic ring with some resilience on. As a bonus for capturing the towers you get +5% damage for your faction in this area iirc. Might be reputation gains also, can't remember exactly.
3) I'm pretty sure heroic badges can be traded in for resilience gear as well, but not certain.
Obviously the best way to get resilience gear is to get 12-30k honor from the BGs and build up a season 1 set. Fighting in the arena at low ranks will get you some points on the way to better gear. You won't be able to get all of it unless you win enough games to make sure your rank is above 1850 but you can get most of it.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
You'll be back!
If you are still playing, you'll quit and come here to spread the gospel. You will show everyone how you saw the light that shines down upon the vile entity that's sucking out the souls of young ones and represents all that is bad and needs to be erased from the very existance.
Then, you'll be back.
He speaks the truth...i keep coming back. I play for a while then i get bored again and quit, i think this happened 4 times already lol.
When you got bored 4 times, the game is wrong for you. I never got bored of my MMO yet. Except for wow, and I never looked back
I think you have a point here, that goes way beyond WoW. I think game developers are cutting corners by using instances to control the masses and because they are easy to implement.
Look at AOC. It has all the same stuff, instances in bar brawls, capture the flag, raid dungeons etc. It is even more limited as a world as far as official words go incl. invisible worlds.
It ruins the "massive" feeling of mmos.
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WoW was the game for me... when i first started playing it back at release i played for a good solid 2 years. When tbc hit..it was well noting new to the table and basicly from there on i kept quiting/resub. I'll just have to wait for WoTLK
Non sandbox rpgs have that barrier. Endgame is often just that... 'Game over'. Unless you have a ton of friends playing or found a fun community.
I've played for 2 years too and quit around tbc release even though i pre-ordered it i never played it until last month. Now i got a bunch of friends with me and we are just playing casually in the evenings. We all who played before started over on a new server and are having quite a lot of fun. We do not care about equipment at all and just do quests together all the time. And i must admit that it was never that fun as it is now.
I think most of the games are like that if you avoid EP waving contests and just enjoy it with good old friends.
How long will the fun last ? Well *shrug* who cares. There is plenty to do aside from playing WoW anyway.
I wouldnt call it a boring game, just a "short life" mmorpg. But its a matter of opinion.
Make ur mind up You can't have a short levelling experience then complain when you aren't levelling any more. If you don't like PvP then do any of the dailies, heroic instances or raids that exist? Also, we're one month away from a new expansion giving you 10 lvls of lvling content - You picked a strange time to complain about a lack of content.
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sooo... exactly what do you want in a mmo?
4 bgs, some minor(minor.) world pvp
Arena system
2 10 man instances
7 25 man instances
8 5 mans
15 5 man heroics
tons of daily quests
plenty of tradeskills
a bunch of classes with varying specs(massive playstyle differences between... for most)
....?
what do you want?
If you refuse to do pve, because your retarded and go "I don't want to do the same instances over and over" ... then it's your fault.
Are you fooling yourself with illusions of brighter pastures? WAR will be the same, you'll do all the campaigns then in 2 years youll be wanting more then it offers and say "3 campaigns isnt enough!"
AoC will be exactly like wow.(don't kid yourselves, comes complete with ctf bgs)
Every other mmorpg released always has the same "nothing to do at the end" at release... I'm really confused why wow is hit with this... no other game is a exception and wow in fact has more content then almost every other mmo out there, sometimes even double.
No need to be so harsh mate the guy is obviously just getting a bit bored of the game..so
Yeah i know... i just grow tired of seeing the same comments of the game(or any mmo really)... there simply is a limit to how much you can expect out of the game.
I've quit wow like 5 times, not because of the game, but because i get bored of it, do i feel the need to post every single time i do?
Theres a limit to the content. If you start off at the beginning saying "I won't do half of the content" then your bound to destroy your interest sooner.
Heck it doesn't even take that much time to raid.
My guild raids tuesday thursday for about 3-4 hours, and sunday for about 5-6 hours. Some 10 mans inbetween and we are 5/6 ssc, 3/4 tk, 2/2 gruul, 1/1 mag, 3/5 hyjal, and 4/?? bt.
It's not hard to see the content, and honestly, it's fun when your playing with a guild you like.
I also spend time pvping and doing arena.
I also play alts here in my spare time between honor grinding, raiding, and doing arena.
I experience all the content and i enjoy each piece. If you hate pve so much, why even play wow to begin with, 70 levels of pve, a large amount of pve content, and a modest amount of pvp content, and then complain about the limited pvp?
First off, where did I say I wanted a fast leveling experience. Point it out.Make ur mind up You can't have a short levelling experience then complain when you aren't levelling any more. If you don't like PvP then do any of the dailies, heroic instances or raids that exist? Also, we're one month away from a new expansion giving you 10 lvls of lvling content - You picked a strange time to complain about a lack of content.
The content is repetitive. The quests in the new exp. = go get 10 of this. Kill 10 of these. It's not new content, it's just regurgitated.
Everything else in the game after you've leveled is crap. For an MMO to be a good MMO it should have an immersive endgame. WoW has a few raids, and battlegrounds with no real in-game evolution. It's pretty plastic.
I used to enjoy gearing up when getting good gear meant something. Now you can get an epix in 20 minutes or so. What's thrilling about that?
So enjoy it if you are. You'll come to the same conclusion as I have. WoW is an MMO for 15 minute players and soccer moms.
I'd like to play a game where I feel my character is having an impact on the world. Not grabbing pieces of gear. Or sitting inside Arathi Basin for the 500th time. It's not epic. It's just boring.
I would of liked to of been part of serverwide raids on Orgrimmar and Stormwind. Those days are gone because neither are itemized.
Arenas are a joke now. Why would you even bring em up? Team selling, wintrading, ontop of the fact they weren't balanced to begin with.
I believe as long as WAR or AoC come with superior graphics and limit instancing like WoW has gone over to, they will be superior.
Just don't feel the war going on when I'm queing up at the battlemaster or getting a spoonfed summon to the stone for an instance.