Lol, I wasn't saying, "throw 25 pounds in the bin" btw. I was saying that the whining is disproportionate to the risk being taken, given that the product doesn't even have final release. The money aspect was to put this "risk" in context. Cheaper than a night out to the bar. In fact MMOs are more acceptable risks, as even some mmos I didn't keep subbing to (LOTRO, City of Villains etc) still gave me several weeks of reasonable entertainment compared to one night at the bar/movies. If you buy a cinema ticket, there is a risk the movie will be lame. If you on a night out, there is a risk it may be a rubbish night out. They are acceptable risks and not equal to taking a risk with new car , a nice camera or a new house. I put games in the same category as nights out at the bar or cinema. Now if you wanna go down the "50 dollars is a LOT of money to me, OMG OMG" then wait for a month until after final release and see what the playas are saying. Just stop the whining already, jeezus. If you must express misgivings about a game that doesn't even have final release yet, then be mature about it and keep it constructive.
I love the "50 dollars is alot of money to me,OMG OMG"you are the 1 that started this "misgiving and now you ask for players to keep it mature",1 sec m8 you were the 1 that said 50 dollars was nothing,maybe you should try to keep it real before pushing your thoughts on others.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Ah well, I think I said it was "small change" comparative to a major investment like a mortgage. That is not "nothing", but I get what you mean.
I also clarified that the mention of cost was to put the "risk" in the same context as any other minor financial risk in life i.e. cinema, night out etc. The hysterical doomsaying just seems over the top when put into proper context.
And as for those that feel "50 dollars" is a lot of money, then I think I gave solid and mature advice; which is to play it cautious and wait until others have tried the final release before spending yer cash.
Lol, I wasn't saying, "throw 25 pounds in the bin" btw. I was saying that the whining is disproportionate to the risk being taken, given that the product doesn't even have final release. The money aspect was to put this "risk" in context. Cheaper than a night out to the bar. In fact MMOs are more acceptable risks, as even some mmos I didn't keep subbing to (LOTRO, City of Villains etc) still gave me several weeks of reasonable entertainment compared to one night at the bar/movies. If you buy a cinema ticket or a new novel, there is a risk the movie/novel will be lame. If you go on a night out, there is a risk it may be a rubbish night out. They are acceptable risks and not equal to taking a risk with new car , a nice camera or a new house. I put games in the same category as nights out at the bar or cinema. Now if you wanna go down the "50 dollars is a LOT of money to me, OMG OMG" then wait for a month until after final release and see what the playas are saying. No need to waste yer wad. Just stop the whining already, jeezus. If you must express misgivings about a game that doesn't even have final release yet, then be mature about it and keep it constructive.
I'm sure anyone who gives constructive misgivings about a game that hasn't been released yet will be bogged down with cries of "doomsayer!" and "negatron (rofl, negatron?)!!" anyways.
Back to the point, you always take risks when you spend money on entertainment, I agree with that. Whether you plug up your ears and decide to spend that money even if one out of those hundreds of doomsayers/negatrons is true, that's your choice. Money means different things to different people. I guess the risk would be higher with a game like AoC because it's supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the fact still remains that $50 could mean alot more to someone else than you.
And people will always whine. Deal with it.
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Yar, I'm dealing with it by keepin' it real and engaging ma positive vibes to offset the negatrons. The energizers versus the energy sappers - kinda like pvp, it's fun.
I think the issue is more about time than the $50. an MMO is unlike other games in the fact that even if it is crap, it take a large investment of time no matter what.
If I go out and get a game which is going to be fun for say, 1 month, but then be worthless for another 6 months to a year for an expansion or update (IF there even is one) Why bother? I could simply play a nice single player RPG or even FPS and get probably a MUCH higher level of enjoyment based on the storyline/graphics/both.
Yar, I'm dealing with it by keepin' it real and engaging ma positive vibes to offset the negatrons. The energizers versus the energy sappers - kinda like pvp, it's fun. Glad you noted my "negatron" expression, cool eh!
Lol we got plenty of positive vibes, don't worry. Note my "greatest thing since sliced bread" comment.
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They way some of you talk, it's as if 25quid or 50 dollars is some huge investment of your personal wealth; most of you are working adults, so we are talking small change here.
I think you misunderstand the stakes here. It has nothing to do with the money, (you're right, its a pittance) and all about the fact so many folks have been looking for a long time now for a game that's good and not WOW.
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Actually for me it has everything to do with money. Again not that buying a game is going to matter to me finicially or not. However if everyone Keeps shelling out money to every hyped game unseen it just encourges more and more producers to produce crap. Sure 50$ doesn't matter to me but a new hyped game can easily encourege 300-500k players to buy the game and then string along another 50-100k idiots paying for the hope it will get better. That's a lot of money to be made by a company willing to cut back on the inestment needed to actually make a competitive mmo.
They way some of you talk, it's as if 25quid or 50 dollars is some huge investment of your personal wealth; most of you are working adults, so we are talking small change here.
I think you misunderstand the stakes here. It has nothing to do with the money, (you're right, its a pittance) and all about the fact so many folks have been looking for a long time now for a game that's good and not WOW.
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Actually for me it has everything to do with money. Again not that buying a game is going to matter to me finicially or not. However if everyone Keeps shelling out money to every hyped game unseen it just encourges more and more producers to produce crap. Sure 50$ doesn't matter to me but a new hyped game can easily encourege 300-500k in sales and then string along another 50-100k idiots paying for the hope it will get better. That's a lot of money to be made by a company willing to cut back on the inestment needed to actually make a competitive mmo.
And unfortunately anyone who says this, even if they have some proof, is quickly labeled as a doomsayer and/or negatron.
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There was a game called Age of Conan But the negatrons couldn't stop moanin' So the melmoth appeared with fine words and free beer but they wanted free cider, so stoned him
Let's take this to the next level. All subsequent moans must be done in limerick form or haiku. At least that way I can read more interesting moanings. C'mon negatrons, show me what ya got!
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Well first of all, I agree with the OP that even if AoC sucks, it won't be the end of the world. However, I strongly disagree that $50 is an insignificant amount of money. It's actually quite a bit of money. I work hard for my money, and I would be very upset if I bought something for $50 and it turned out to be junk.
I don't understood the gloom merchants with their overly serious predictions of the end of civilisation as we know it because of NDA or release dates etc. The game is NOT that expensive to buy, it's hardly like you are investing in a mortgage or something. AOC is cheaper than a cheap-ass night out in Tokyo (I live in Nippon) or a night out in any other major city. Why you sweat it and agonize so much? If the game is good then Funcom make their real money from my subs, and if the game sucks then I don't sub and I have only spent a small amount of cash. The way some of you talk, it's as if 25quid or 50 dollars is some huge investment of your personal wealth and you are effectively "shooting yer wad" empty; c'mon, most of you are working adults, so we are talking small change here. I really hope Age of Conan rocks, but if it doesn't then no big deal. The pressure is on Funcom, not me. Keep it real guys.
I do agree with your interpretation of the nay sayers found on this forum and others on "teh interwebs" I also agree that people shouldn't be taking it as seriously as it is. It is merely a video game, if it sucks, move on. But I can understand that at this point for many people this game will prove to be the last straw. As others have mentioned already, this is one of the few MMOs coming out this year that are going to offer something different than WoW. Many games over the past few years have tried but have turned into complete failures (LotRO isn't too horrible, it's at least got a decent fanbase... I myself not being one of them, but that's just because I prefer a game that actually has decent PvP). Aion is turning out to be more of a WoW copy than anything, while WAR... well I'll just refer to WAR as WoW2 from now on. CoSB is the only other that I see having a possibility this year, but sadly the devs aren't doing much to get their name across "teh interwebs". Through videos I've seen, CoSB looks as if it successfully created a real-time innovative combat system (possibly surpassing AoC) and has stunning graphics to match. But sadly, that's as far as we really know about the game so far, other than predictions (as the game fails to market their game properly).
The only thing I disagree with about the OP and what others have been saying is how badly everyone appears to care for their money. $50 bucks really isn't small change... if you're David Hasselhoff, Chuck Norris, or Ozzie Ozbourne, maybe then can you consider money to be chump change, but it shouldn't be taken as lightly as it is... hell, even if you're a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills you shouldn't consider $50 bucks chump change. Spending is all well and good, but it's no more difficult to spend it wisely rather than just saying "ooh that looks shiny, I'll take it". I think I'd prefer to wait a week before release to see what people are saying about it, then maybe give it a try (unless I get to play the beta for myself before release). But that's just me... I am not a celebrity, therefore I'll take a week's wait to see if a game is worth buying rather than just spend it all right away. That's just me, though. After all, it is a video game, right? No reason to buy it on the day of it's release unless you're positive of what you're buying... that's just the way I look at it.
Every game, movie, political candidate, sports team, etc. has people hating on it before they've done anything. Maybe they have insider knowledge, maybe they don't. The hate has become irrelevant. Good games get hated on before they come out, bad games get hated on before they come out. It means nothing. Just tune it out, wait for the game to come out, and unless the reviews are universally terrible play it and decide for yourself.
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I love the "50 dollars is alot of money to me,OMG OMG"you are the 1 that started this "misgiving and now you ask for players to keep it mature",1 sec m8 you were the 1 that said 50 dollars was nothing,maybe you should try to keep it real before pushing your thoughts on others.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Ah well, I think I said it was "small change" comparative to a major investment like a mortgage. That is not "nothing", but I get what you mean.
I also clarified that the mention of cost was to put the "risk" in the same context as any other minor financial risk in life i.e. cinema, night out etc. The hysterical doomsaying just seems over the top when put into proper context.
And as for those that feel "50 dollars" is a lot of money, then I think I gave solid and mature advice; which is to play it cautious and wait until others have tried the final release before spending yer cash.
Keep it real man, keep it real lol.
Back to the point, you always take risks when you spend money on entertainment, I agree with that. Whether you plug up your ears and decide to spend that money even if one out of those hundreds of doomsayers/negatrons is true, that's your choice. Money means different things to different people. I guess the risk would be higher with a game like AoC because it's supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the fact still remains that $50 could mean alot more to someone else than you.
And people will always whine. Deal with it.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Yar, I'm dealing with it by keepin' it real and engaging ma positive vibes to offset the negatrons. The energizers versus the energy sappers - kinda like pvp, it's fun.
Glad you noted my "negatron" expression, cool eh!
Personally,
I think the issue is more about time than the $50. an MMO is unlike other games in the fact that even if it is crap, it take a large investment of time no matter what.
If I go out and get a game which is going to be fun for say, 1 month, but then be worthless for another 6 months to a year for an expansion or update (IF there even is one) Why bother? I could simply play a nice single player RPG or even FPS and get probably a MUCH higher level of enjoyment based on the storyline/graphics/both.
Lol we got plenty of positive vibes, don't worry. Note my "greatest thing since sliced bread" comment.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
I'll not play unless I get a beta test or free trial first.
I think you misunderstand the stakes here. It has nothing to do with the money, (you're right, its a pittance) and all about the fact so many folks have been looking for a long time now for a game that's good and not WOW.
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Actually for me it has everything to do with money. Again not that buying a game is going to matter to me finicially or not. However if everyone Keeps shelling out money to every hyped game unseen it just encourges more and more producers to produce crap. Sure 50$ doesn't matter to me but a new hyped game can easily encourege 300-500k players to buy the game and then string along another 50-100k idiots paying for the hope it will get better. That's a lot of money to be made by a company willing to cut back on the inestment needed to actually make a competitive mmo.
There was a game called Age of Conan
But the negatrons couldn't stop moanin'
So the melmoth appeared
with fine words and free beer
but they wanted free cider, so stoned him
I think you misunderstand the stakes here. It has nothing to do with the money, (you're right, its a pittance) and all about the fact so many folks have been looking for a long time now for a game that's good and not WOW.
I
Actually for me it has everything to do with money. Again not that buying a game is going to matter to me finicially or not. However if everyone Keeps shelling out money to every hyped game unseen it just encourges more and more producers to produce crap. Sure 50$ doesn't matter to me but a new hyped game can easily encourege 300-500k in sales and then string along another 50-100k idiots paying for the hope it will get better. That's a lot of money to be made by a company willing to cut back on the inestment needed to actually make a competitive mmo.
And unfortunately anyone who says this, even if they have some proof, is quickly labeled as a doomsayer and/or negatron.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Oh Age of Conan
I am not a negatron
This thread is funny
Haiku lol
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Who is next?
Well first of all, I agree with the OP that even if AoC sucks, it won't be the end of the world. However, I strongly disagree that $50 is an insignificant amount of money. It's actually quite a bit of money. I work hard for my money, and I would be very upset if I bought something for $50 and it turned out to be junk.
AoC actually looks and plays different then any MMORPG I've ever seen, personally.
That alone is worth some attention.
Hopefully, it works.
The only thing I disagree with about the OP and what others have been saying is how badly everyone appears to care for their money. $50 bucks really isn't small change... if you're David Hasselhoff, Chuck Norris, or Ozzie Ozbourne, maybe then can you consider money to be chump change, but it shouldn't be taken as lightly as it is... hell, even if you're a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills you shouldn't consider $50 bucks chump change. Spending is all well and good, but it's no more difficult to spend it wisely rather than just saying "ooh that looks shiny, I'll take it". I think I'd prefer to wait a week before release to see what people are saying about it, then maybe give it a try (unless I get to play the beta for myself before release). But that's just me... I am not a celebrity, therefore I'll take a week's wait to see if a game is worth buying rather than just spend it all right away. That's just me, though. After all, it is a video game, right? No reason to buy it on the day of it's release unless you're positive of what you're buying... that's just the way I look at it.
Every game, movie, political candidate, sports team, etc. has people hating on it before they've done anything. Maybe they have insider knowledge, maybe they don't. The hate has become irrelevant. Good games get hated on before they come out, bad games get hated on before they come out. It means nothing. Just tune it out, wait for the game to come out, and unless the reviews are universally terrible play it and decide for yourself.