By the way, if I did want a roll back it'd be to publish 24 not pre-pub 8....pre-cu = /puke.
well if this is your opinion and stays "as your opinion" ok. But if you try to ignore or to deny the wish of the vast majority of the SWG community about wanting the PRE CU version then you not the right man for the senator job. Enjoy your position in game while in the community spread out over various places in the internet you will don't have any with comments such you just stated about PRE CU.
btw welcome to the veteran boards.
I've found that the vast majority of the "I want pre-cu" crowd did not actually play then. I do prefer CH/BE as it was after pub 24 than anyother time. I feel and will do so anyway, that I can state my opinion, I never kid myself that I speak for anyone else. The senate job/volunteer work for me has always been polling and linking what players want to the DEVs.
The only time I ever spoke for myself was from 11.25.05 till chapter 5, crusading for the return of pets.
The atmosphere of the official forums is somewhat disturbing, from newcoming players all the way up to some of the devs and there's a little bit of arrogance among the devs, just read some of Blixtev's replies in the past couple weeks on TC threads with "learn to play your profession" when responding to how crappy forsake fear is.
Now the senators are getting worse and stooping down to a moron's level, even MasterCosmo gets out of hand occasionally when he's posting in the smuggler and Jedi forums. Ironically I find ArkonPhoenix the most sane and down to earth one considering how babyish the Jedi community gets.
I've never liked WoW's or BF1942's forums, but SWG's forums are becoming the icing of the cake. The devs in the past (remember Garva) has gotten pretty hostile with the community and even some devs coming from EQ2 has done the same thing. Somebody in SOE clearly doesn't know how to do the job when interacting with the community.
I actually laughed at Blix's post. Never been a fan of the /forcewhine. Comso is a player, he pays his $15 like everyone else..why can he not vent?
Garva was harsh.....banned me a few times :P....not as harsh as Helios though.
Well Hello, Since this is my 1st post here on MMORPGI should introduce. I guess as a Senator for SWG I'm the enemy . Which I find kinda silly btw. I represent those that like pets (Beast Master - I hate that name btw) and those that know/remember me know that I'm by no means a SOE yesman. In fact the big V and Helios have each banned me a few times over the years. Kinda feel like I beat Helios though, I'm no longer banned and I have my pets back, and i hva efun with them in camps What made me sign up for this board is the mis-information in this thread about the senate program.
Were players We Volunteer We mod our aspect forum boards We are to create/maintain our ascpect guides We present issues to the DEVs that impact those we "represent"
I see no issue with Cig's comments.
you became an $OE yesman when you became a senator.
if you want to win our respect then you will start pushing for a rollback to pre-cu on all of the servers. as for our misinformation we are not $OE we don't use misinformation. we tell the truth about how bad swg is and how $OE is still ripping people off. don't believe me go to wildcats blog. www.soesucks.net he has a list of all of $OE's lies over the years and it is a good read about how $OE could careless about us players and just wishes to have a ton of fanbois and fanbots running around.
Your just angry, you feel entitled and have no right to. People lie & mislead everyday we cannot help ourselves were humans. Deal with it.
I became a senator at the players request, not my own. I'm not looking to earn anyone's respect SOE does not force anyone to pay, so their not rippin anyone off. .
By the way, if I did want a roll back it'd be to publish 24 not pre-pub 8....pre-cu = /puke. Seen my share of comp wearing jedi's, black bars of death, 10 minute waits and solo-holo grinds were dah suck!
Until there is another SW MMO I'm not leaving SWG
yes i am angry so are 250k of my friends who had their game stolen from them. and i don't see blizzard telling lies. i don't see any of the eve dev's telling lies and misleading us. yet i see $OE telling lies ever day starting with the biggest lie of the cu is here to stay.
here is the deal we want people who will work with us to regain our game back. or get the one that no one likes shut down. and no one likes nge we both know that the only people who like it are the 12 year olds that will head over to conan due to conan having boobs in it.
as you can see we have tons of people here who want pre-cu back. not this lame cu/nge system. you can read the truth over on wildcats blog about how everyone wants it back.
apparently you missed the memo where the eve devs constantly manipulate the eve world to their satisfaction. to include direct user manipulation and then deny it. but hey thats old news right!!!
the current eve devs would never act like soe devs, or is that the other way around? either way, when devs fail to listen to their paying base, or devs directly manipulate a game, using players as pawns to satisfy their own goals, then move to another game and leave it behind, simple stuff, nothing to get angry over!
can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.
I loved the comment in this thread where it was stated that the DWB was non-instanced (true) and you actually crafted in it. The "crafting" was dropping in 4 parts that were looted into a droid who after a minute or two dropped a schematic into the crafters inventory, The only actual crafting would possibly be the jetpack which placed the jetpack deed into the crafters inventory.
The ISD and Exar Kun instances drop schematics for all the loot, and for a vast majority of the playerbase they are very hard to complete. I don't see the real difference here, get schematic, depend on the skill and resources of the crafter to make the item.
It happened and it's done with. Move on or leave the game if you are unhappy with it the level most claim to be. The way some people still carry on to this day scares the hell out of me. God help you if something major does happen in your life...
I know posts like this are always gonna turn into some flame fest.. but there is ONE thing I would like to point out. I feel this way NO matter what MMO it was about..
As a senator you by default have a different station than the average forum poster. Just like if back in 1998 you were a "blue robe" in Ultima Online or a volunteer of ANY kind for any MMO.
When you then state on official forums or anywhere...
"Move on or leave the game"
You should immediantly have your position terminated and most likely have your game accounts suspended.
You are not helping the game or the company...
I don't give a crap about the NGE etc... I don't want to debate any of that.
But after that statement.. if it was my game.. that person would be gone.. period. In fact I've always thought it would be a good idea to put into any forum RoK that making statements like that would have your posting abilities permanently revoked.
"leave the game" .. "go to wow" or whatever variation.
*note*
SOE has not been shy about forum bans in the past. If negative posts bother them.. they can deal with it. If you as a poster don't like what someone says... report it (if it violates rules) or move on. Nothing is going to happen in any positive sense replying to stuff especially when you reply in a manner such as that.
It happened and it's done with. Move on or leave the game if you are unhappy with it the level most claim to be. The way some people still carry on to this day scares the hell out of me. God help you if something major does happen in your life...
I know posts like this are always gonna turn into some flame fest.. but there is ONE thing I would like to point out. I feel this way NO matter what MMO it was about..
As a senator you by default have a different station than the average forum poster. Just like if back in 1998 you were a "blue robe" in Ultima Online or a volunteer of ANY kind for any MMO.
When you then state on official forums or anywhere...
"Move on or leave the game"
You should immediantly have your position terminated and most likely have your game accounts suspended.
You are not helping the game or the company...
I don't give a crap about the NGE etc... I don't want to debate any of that.
But after that statement.. if it was my game.. that person would be gone.. period. In fact I've always thought it would be a good idea to put into any forum RoK that making statements like that would have your posting abilities permanently revoked.
"leave the game" .. "go to wow" or whatever variation.
*note*
SOE has not been shy about forum bans in the past. If negative posts bother them.. they can deal with it. If you as a poster don't like what someone says... report it (if it violates rules) or move on. Nothing is going to happen in any positive sense replying to stuff especially when you reply in a manner such as that.
Please check your attributes...I didn't write what you quoted above...
Exactly. The vets aren't coming back and the game population continues to shrink every day. It's time for the fanbois to get over it and move on.
vets are over it?
if u didnt spend at least 1 hour a day posting here i would agree
whos a fanboi? im not playing SWG nor am i playing any SOE game, nice try tho
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Exactly. The vets aren't coming back and the game population continues to shrink every day. It's time for the fanbois to get over it and move on.
vets are over it?
if u didnt spend at least 1 hour a day posting here i would agree
whos a fanboi? im not playing SWG nor am i playing any SOE game, nice try tho
Then why do you care what I or any of the other vets post?
The truth is, we are all here because we like forums and we had nothing better to do. Haters and fanboys alike. Either side suggesting the side opposite them is somehow " a loser with no life who wastes his time posting on a forum" is pretty daft. We're all that person. I'll take that a step further, because there are at least a few of us whom wouldn't be here if they actually had a game they enjoyed to play. That logic suggest that SOE created all of this by simply not doing the intelligent thing and keeping the old code.
Had they done this, not only would they find it easier to do repairs on the current code (they would have examples of the former code structure, and a general guideline to go by), but they would also have the ability to create a classic server like so many other games have done. It may not have gotten them 10 million players...but a classic server would at least have bandaged the hemorrhaging of players to a degree. Hell, anything is better than what they've got. At the end of the day, thats what matters most to the suits at the top of the ladder. Choices that place them in higher profit.
Originally posted by KrackenOne Originally posted by DarthRaiden Originally posted by KrackenOne By the way, if I did want a roll back it'd be to publish 24 not pre-pub 8....pre-cu = /puke.
well if this is your opinion and stays "as your opinion" ok. But if you try to ignore or to deny the wish of the vast majority of the SWG community about wanting the PRE CU version then you not the right man for the senator job. Enjoy your position in game while in the community spread out over various places in the internet you will don't have any with comments such you just stated about PRE CU.
btw welcome to the veteran boards. I've found that the vast majority of the "I want pre-cu" crowd did not actually play then. I do prefer CH/BE as it was after pub 24 than anyother time. I feel and will do so anyway, that I can state my opinion, I never kid myself that I speak for anyone else. The senate job/volunteer work for me has always been polling and linking what players want to the DEVs. The only time I ever spoke for myself was from 11.25.05 till chapter 5, crusading for the return of pets. thanks for the welcome. Look I consider myself an ally of yours, but I have never met anyone who says "I want pre-CU" that didn't actually play then. Please, find me one.
By the way, if I did want a roll back it'd be to publish 24 not pre-pub 8....pre-cu = /puke.
well if this is your opinion and stays "as your opinion" ok. But if you try to ignore or to deny the wish of the vast majority of the SWG community about wanting the PRE CU version then you not the right man for the senator job. Enjoy your position in game while in the community spread out over various places in the internet you will don't have any with comments such you just stated about PRE CU.
btw welcome to the veteran boards.
I've found that the vast majority of the "I want pre-cu" crowd did not actually play then. I do prefer CH/BE as it was after pub 24 than anyother time. I feel and will do so anyway, that I can state my opinion, I never kid myself that I speak for anyone else. The senate job/volunteer work for me has always been polling and linking what players want to the DEVs.
The only time I ever spoke for myself was from 11.25.05 till chapter 5, crusading for the return of pets.
thanks for the welcome.
Look I consider myself an ally of yours, but I have never met anyone who says "I want pre-CU" that didn't actually play then. Please, find me one.
I don't "want my game back" so to speak. At this point, I'd like to see an improvement in the ethics of some service providers.
Having said that, I don't believe that all of the people still saying, "I want my game back!" didn't actually play. I think that's a clear miss.
As for crusading to get pets back. I remember reading your posts. They were good, nice work, and thank you for that.
Seriously, where does KrackenOne get off saying a vast majority of those who wants pre-CU back didn't actually play back then? WTF are you pulling out of your butt man?
Seriously, where does KrackenOne get off saying a vast majority of those who wants pre-CU back didn't actually play back then? WTF are you pulling out of your butt man?
The senators are nothing but yes-men so I'm sure they get talking points from SOE in their sooper seekret forum.
Talking points like:
There is a huge number of players on each server but they are just spread out so you can't find them
The game is getting better every day and most of the pre-cu game is back.
The angry vets haven't played the game in years.
Collections and cookie-cutter instances are awesome content.
The majority of those who want pre-cu back didn't actually play back then.
You my friend, have stepped into a pit of vipers. This is a haven for the bitter, angry and vindictive former SWG players who will never forgive, never forget, and never get over the loss of their pre-cu game. There is no consoling these folks, no explaining your reasoning for remaining with the game, and you're best bet is to turn around and never look back. You are the enemy to many of the folks here, and you can't win them over.
Seriously, where does KrackenOne get off saying a vast majority of those who wants pre-CU back didn't actually play back then? WTF are you pulling out of your butt man?
The senators are nothing but yes-men so I'm sure they get talking points from SOE in their sooper seekret forum.
Talking points like:
There is a huge number of players on each server but they are just spread out so you can't find them
The game is getting better every day and most of the pre-cu game is back.
The angry vets haven't played the game in years.
Collections and cookie-cutter instances are awesome content.
The majority of those who want pre-cu back didn't actually play back then.
Can I have "Worthless Viral Marketing Propaganda" for $800 Alex?
That is what I think almost everytime one of those senators comes here to post. The last player reps that had ANY (and only some of them did) credibility were the Correspondents from the old days, and all of those guys quit.
Seriously, where does KrackenOne get off saying a vast majority of those who wants pre-CU back didn't actually play back then? WTF are you pulling out of your butt man?
hate to say it sookster54 but they post what there masteres tell em to
Seriously, where does KrackenOne get off saying a vast majority of those who wants pre-CU back didn't actually play back then? WTF are you pulling out of your butt man?
hate to say it sookster54 but they post what there masteres tell em to
I believe "SOE Corporate Overlords" is the correct term.
# There is a huge number of players on each server but they are just spread out so you can't find them
LIES, in Pre-CU & even in CU you could find people to playwith almost anywhere no you will be lucky to find 10 active players running around not AFK grinding or just AFK
# The game is getting better every day and most of the pre-cu game is back.
LIES-If we was getting the Pre- CU game back why isnt Jedi Locked and all the great content they ripped out for the simpleton "target audience" put back in yet??
# The angry vets haven't played the game in years.
LIES- Most Vets get free trials every 3 months for 14-20 days enuf time to go in and check how much the game still suxs. And myself I quit in Dec 2007
# Collections and cookie-cutter instances are awesome content.
LIES- Last time I read People thought the Collections were boring and the WOWeroics which I myself played and tried nothing bug buggy messes just so you can get trinkeds
# The majority of those who want pre-cu back didn't actually play back then
LIES- If People didnt play back then why was there over 200k in Subs>?? You must be smoking crack,,. And like the NGE is any better with u 10k or less subs .. gve me a break....
Seriously, where does KrackenOne get off saying a vast majority of those who wants pre-CU back didn't actually play back then? WTF are you pulling out of your butt man?
hate to say it sookster54 but they post what there masteres tell em to
They post in the same manner that the people in their positions previously that went on to get a job at SOE posted. The senate program is a job apllication for SOE's community team for the majority of senators. Valara or whatever is an example...though from what Ive seen she's doing a fantastic job compared to others..as in not insulting people. there are some good ones who actually care about the game still, though taking the position after those that went before you got shit all over and made to look like asses kinda means you'll never have any credibility, but its their choice. The only problem I see is it really gives the players a false sense that something might actually get better. That SOE will actually do any of the things the senators bring before SOE on behalf of the players. they wont. they never have. They never will. You get what SOE plans and if a player happened to suggest it first before they implement it, then they can say they listen. I think the senators need to be more open with the players about the fact that SOE really doesnt listen or care. I cant believe people still think SOE is gonna do anything other than MAKE THE GAME WORSE. Thats all they do.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
# There is a huge number of players on each server but they are just spread out so you can't find them
LIES, in Pre-CU & even in CU you could find people to playwith almost anywhere no you will be lucky to find 10 active players running around not AFK grinding or just AFK # The game is getting better every day and most of the pre-cu game is back. LIES-If we was getting the Pre- CU game back why isnt Jedi Locked and all the great content they ripped out for the simpleton "target audience" put back in yet??
# The angry vets haven't played the game in years. LIES- Most Vets get free trials every 3 months for 14-20 days enuf time to go in and check how much the game still suxs. And myself I quit in Dec 2007
# Collections and cookie-cutter instances are awesome content. LIES- Last time I read People thought the Collections were boring and the WOWeroics which I myself played and tried nothing bug buggy messes just so you can get trinkeds # The majority of those who want pre-cu back didn't actually play back then LIES- If People didnt play back then why was there over 200k in Subs>?? You must be smoking crack,,. And like the NGE is any better with u 10k or less subs .. gve me a break....
Hey want the truth?
Yes on "some" servers the Player Pop is better and you can find people to do stuff with. Yeah even I'll say that a good amount of the servers are not doing well, or in the case of Kauri (a server I moved from and I will not get into why that server is dead, but let me just say the NGE was only part of it.) dead as dead can be. Starsider is doing fairly well, Bria still has the big player Pop, Bloodfin is kinda a weird case as most of the PvP happens in all kinds of spots from what I've been told.
Also just to point this out too, I've played MMO's for a damn long time. And unless the game happens to have the words "World" and "Warcraft" in the title, after sometime Player Pop's do die out. In 2002 I went back to my first UO Server Baja was kinda dead. Lets also add in that SWG has had one of the worst rep's in the history of MMO's, even the great Pre-CU system had a bad rep. Hey you tell me, would you go and play a game after reading it's message boards and all anyone does is scream about the state of the game?
And yes the game is getting better, and yes "Elementals" of the Pre-CU are coming back. Not all the elementals, some are back however.
Buff's are back, and that was one of the big things in the Pre-CU system. The Classes tend to follow what people took in the Pre-CU/CU. Bounty Hunter has the Rifles line that acts semi like Riflemen. The BH Traps and what not are somewhat like the big BH build back in the CU BH/CM. It's not the Pre-CU, however it's alot better then what the NGE was like when it first came out.
As for Jedi not being locked, well look at the very end of the CU. Alpha Jedi for the most part took over the GCW. Alpha Jedi Players where screaming about every little thing. Or am I the only one that remembers the whole "We don't want to be hunted by BH's!" rants that showed up all the time. And what great content? The Village? That plays into the whole Alpha Jedi mindset that I feel was the downfall of the game. The quests to go talk to some NPC, return to the quest giver and get rewarded with a trash item?
And "some" of you upset Vets haven't played the game in years. Not all of you but some, and really how many of the upset vets end up trying out some of the new content and systems. Granted this is SOE's damn fault as alot of you are most likely coming back to servers that are semi-dead. Not only that how many of you have your minds all ready made up when you get that trial? I mean hey if you think something is going to suck guess what? It's going to suck!
As for Collections and the new Heroics, the Collections can kinda be a pain. Some of them are kinda cool, but yes I believe most of them shouldn't be rare item hunts. As for the Heroics tell the truth I like them, they kinda remind of a Sci-Fi D&D like thing. Don't know if you have really looked at MMO's or Pen and Paper RPG's but that's what most are. Go into some setting, kill a ton of underlings, face some big boss, kill and get loot. And yes there are bugs with it at "times" people tend to blow any bug with the game up like everyone and everything suffers from it 24/7. It happens, and it even happens in OTHER games as well.
And lastly yeah a good lot of you want the Pre-CU back, being an old UO Player who had to hear "Bring back Pre-Trammel" for years I could go off on this. I won't but here's the thing...
What "I" want is for the game to move on and get over the past. Believe me bring the Pre-CU system back is not going to help the game. And if you think going back to that system would be easy believe me it won't be.
And wanna know why there was 200k Subs back in those days? SWG was new at the time, people tend to flock to whatever game is new or looked at as the "Next Best Thing". In this case that was WoW, still people did leave in the Pre-CU and CU. Really what happen with SWG was much like what happen with Ultima Online before Trammel came out.
UO when it first came out had a good sized Player Base, even tho people didn't like Player Killing they did play the game as it was there. Then Everquest came out and tons of people left UO, mostly due to the EQ guys coming out and saying "No Player Killing in EQ". So what happen with UO was you ended up being left with a Player Base made up Ultima fans, Player Killers, and people who couldn't run games like EQ.
EA pulled Trammel out and much like the NGE it upset most of the Player Base that UO had at the time. Just like SWG for the most part, only well UO was really 1 of 3 MMO's out at the time so people had to pick from UO, EQ or AC.
Really that is what happen with SWG, the Pre-CU system was great for a "Nitche" Player Base that enjoys that kinda game. Unlike UO, SWG has had a really friggen bad rep for 4+ years now. You have 30+ MMO's on the market to pick from with more coming. Yeah the Player Base isn't going to be overly big with SWG, tell the truth if the Dev's can get their act going and start moving people off the smaller servers. And really go after the bugs and what not. I think the game would be in a better state...
The basic problem we as veterans have with the NGE is that there is no diversity, no freedom of choice, no fun.
What was the fundamental difference between SWG Pre-CU and NGE?
It was the system. Not the content. Not the Quests. Not the Collections. A System where a player was forced to interact with other players. A system were you could be a unique build or at least a Special Build. A System were you could become a Master Dancer Bounty Hunter. A System were crafting was able to create items that everybody needed. A System that had a working economy (feed and drain) A System without classes.......
i could go on but my guess is you will never learn it. Like SOE never will.
Originally posted by MikeMB Originally posted by firefly2003 NGE lies spread by Fanibois
# There is a huge number of players on each server but they are just spread out so you can't find them LIES, in Pre-CU & even in CU you could find people to playwith almost anywhere no you will be lucky to find 10 active players running around not AFK grinding or just AFK # The game is getting better every day and most of the pre-cu game is back. LIES-If we was getting the Pre- CU game back why isnt Jedi Locked and all the great content they ripped out for the simpleton "target audience" put back in yet?? # The angry vets haven't played the game in years. LIES- Most Vets get free trials every 3 months for 14-20 days enuf time to go in and check how much the game still suxs. And myself I quit in Dec 2007 # Collections and cookie-cutter instances are awesome content. LIES- Last time I read People thought the Collections were boring and the WOWeroics which I myself played and tried nothing bug buggy messes just so you can get trinkeds # The majority of those who want pre-cu back didn't actually play back then LIES- If People didnt play back then why was there over 200k in Subs>?? You must be smoking crack,,. And like the NGE is any better with u 10k or less subs .. gve me a break....
Hey want the truth? Yes on "some" servers the Player Pop is better and you can find people to do stuff with. Yeah even I'll say that a good amount of the servers are not doing well, or in the case of Kauri (a server I moved from and I will not get into why that server is dead, but let me just say the NGE was only part of it.) dead as dead can be. Starsider is doing fairly well, Bria still has the big player Pop, Bloodfin is kinda a weird case as most of the PvP happens in all kinds of spots from what I've been told. Also just to point this out too, I've played MMO's for a damn long time. And unless the game happens to have the words "World" and "Warcraft" in the title, after sometime Player Pop's do die out. In 2002 I went back to my first UO Server Baja was kinda dead. Lets also add in that SWG has had one of the worst rep's in the history of MMO's, even the great Pre-CU system had a bad rep. Hey you tell me, would you go and play a game after reading it's message boards and all anyone does is scream about the state of the game? And yes the game is getting better, and yes "Elementals" of the Pre-CU are coming back. Not all the elementals, some are back however. Buff's are back, and that was one of the big things in the Pre-CU system. The Classes tend to follow what people took in the Pre-CU/CU. Bounty Hunter has the Rifles line that acts semi like Riflemen. The BH Traps and what not are somewhat like the big BH build back in the CU BH/CM. It's not the Pre-CU, however it's alot better then what the NGE was like when it first came out. As for Jedi not being locked, well look at the very end of the CU. Alpha Jedi for the most part took over the GCW. Alpha Jedi Players where screaming about every little thing. Or am I the only one that remembers the whole "We don't want to be hunted by BH's!" rants that showed up all the time. And what great content? The Village? That plays into the whole Alpha Jedi mindset that I feel was the downfall of the game. The quests to go talk to some NPC, return to the quest giver and get rewarded with a trash item? And "some" of you upset Vets haven't played the game in years. Not all of you but some, and really how many of the upset vets end up trying out some of the new content and systems. Granted this is SOE's damn fault as alot of you are most likely coming back to servers that are semi-dead. Not only that how many of you have your minds all ready made up when you get that trial? I mean hey if you think something is going to suck guess what? It's going to suck! As for Collections and the new Heroics, the Collections can kinda be a pain. Some of them are kinda cool, but yes I believe most of them shouldn't be rare item hunts. As for the Heroics tell the truth I like them, they kinda remind of a Sci-Fi D&D like thing. Don't know if you have really looked at MMO's or Pen and Paper RPG's but that's what most are. Go into some setting, kill a ton of underlings, face some big boss, kill and get loot. And yes there are bugs with it at "times" people tend to blow any bug with the game up like everyone and everything suffers from it 24/7. It happens, and it even happens in OTHER games as well. And lastly yeah a good lot of you want the Pre-CU back, being an old UO Player who had to hear "Bring back Pre-Trammel" for years I could go off on this. I won't but here's the thing... What "I" want is for the game to move on and get over the past. Believe me bring the Pre-CU system back is not going to help the game. And if you think going back to that system would be easy believe me it won't be. And wanna know why there was 200k Subs back in those days? SWG was new at the time, people tend to flock to whatever game is new or looked at as the "Next Best Thing". In this case that was WoW, still people did leave in the Pre-CU and CU. Really what happen with SWG was much like what happen with Ultima Online before Trammel came out. UO when it first came out had a good sized Player Base, even tho people didn't like Player Killing they did play the game as it was there. Then Everquest came out and tons of people left UO, mostly due to the EQ guys coming out and saying "No Player Killing in EQ". So what happen with UO was you ended up being left with a Player Base made up Ultima fans, Player Killers, and people who couldn't run games like EQ. EA pulled Trammel out and much like the NGE it upset most of the Player Base that UO had at the time. Just like SWG for the most part, only well UO was really 1 of 3 MMO's out at the time so people had to pick from UO, EQ or AC. Really that is what happen with SWG, the Pre-CU system was great for a "Nitche" Player Base that enjoys that kinda game. Unlike UO, SWG has had a really friggen bad rep for 4+ years now. You have 30+ MMO's on the market to pick from with more coming. Yeah the Player Base isn't going to be overly big with SWG, tell the truth if the Dev's can get their act going and start moving people off the smaller servers. And really go after the bugs and what not. I think the game would be in a better state... You are buying into the sotry sold by SOE.
The game was unsuccessful ONLY because they mismanaged the game from day one -- they did not fix the problems with the game. The game was not a "niche" game, it was a VERY broadly appealing game -- what was wrong with it was SOE broke promises regularly and never fixed what was wrong.
They then completely changed the game on people TWICE, and that caused the game to crash.
The changes they have made have not undone that problem, and as such the game, no matter what good they may do now, continues to suffer.
It is still not a good game, and SOE still continues to show the same inconsiderate behavior (although of course to a lesser degree).
Until they learn exactly what was wrong in the first place, and what they did wrong with the CUNGE, the game will fail.
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well if this is your opinion and stays "as your opinion" ok. But if you try to ignore or to deny the wish of the vast majority of the SWG community about wanting the PRE CU version then you not the right man for the senator job. Enjoy your position in game while in the community spread out over various places in the internet you will don't have any with comments such you just stated about PRE CU.
btw welcome to the veteran boards.
I've found that the vast majority of the "I want pre-cu" crowd did not actually play then. I do prefer CH/BE as it was after pub 24 than anyother time. I feel and will do so anyway, that I can state my opinion, I never kid myself that I speak for anyone else. The senate job/volunteer work for me has always been polling and linking what players want to the DEVs.
The only time I ever spoke for myself was from 11.25.05 till chapter 5, crusading for the return of pets.
thanks for the welcome.
I actually laughed at Blix's post. Never been a fan of the /forcewhine. Comso is a player, he pays his $15 like everyone else..why can he not vent?
Garva was harsh.....banned me a few times :P....not as harsh as Helios though.
And Arkon is a saint in my book!
if you want to win our respect then you will start pushing for a rollback to pre-cu on all of the servers. as for our misinformation we are not $OE we don't use misinformation. we tell the truth about how bad swg is and how $OE is still ripping people off. don't believe me go to wildcats blog. www.soesucks.net he has a list of all of $OE's lies over the years and it is a good read about how $OE could careless about us players and just wishes to have a ton of fanbois and fanbots running around.
Your just angry, you feel entitled and have no right to. People lie & mislead everyday we cannot help ourselves were humans. Deal with it.
I became a senator at the players request, not my own. I'm not looking to earn anyone's respect SOE does not force anyone to pay, so their not rippin anyone off. .
By the way, if I did want a roll back it'd be to publish 24 not pre-pub 8....pre-cu = /puke. Seen my share of comp wearing jedi's, black bars of death, 10 minute waits and solo-holo grinds were dah suck!
Until there is another SW MMO I'm not leaving SWG
yes i am angry so are 250k of my friends who had their game stolen from them. and i don't see blizzard telling lies. i don't see any of the eve dev's telling lies and misleading us. yet i see $OE telling lies ever day starting with the biggest lie of the cu is here to stay.
here is the deal we want people who will work with us to regain our game back. or get the one that no one likes shut down. and no one likes nge we both know that the only people who like it are the 12 year olds that will head over to conan due to conan having boobs in it.
as you can see we have tons of people here who want pre-cu back. not this lame cu/nge system. you can read the truth over on wildcats blog about how everyone wants it back.
apparently you missed the memo where the eve devs constantly manipulate the eve world to their satisfaction. to include direct user manipulation and then deny it. but hey thats old news right!!!
the current eve devs would never act like soe devs, or is that the other way around? either way, when devs fail to listen to their paying base, or devs directly manipulate a game, using players as pawns to satisfy their own goals, then move to another game and leave it behind, simple stuff, nothing to get angry over!
can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.
I loved the comment in this thread where it was stated that the DWB was non-instanced (true) and you actually crafted in it. The "crafting" was dropping in 4 parts that were looted into a droid who after a minute or two dropped a schematic into the crafters inventory, The only actual crafting would possibly be the jetpack which placed the jetpack deed into the crafters inventory.
The ISD and Exar Kun instances drop schematics for all the loot, and for a vast majority of the playerbase they are very hard to complete. I don't see the real difference here, get schematic, depend on the skill and resources of the crafter to make the item.
It is pathetic how you just wait and watch for someone that is somewhat linked to SOE to loose his temper. Find a new hobby, please.
Everything he said was true btw.
I know posts like this are always gonna turn into some flame fest.. but there is ONE thing I would like to point out. I feel this way NO matter what MMO it was about..
As a senator you by default have a different station than the average forum poster. Just like if back in 1998 you were a "blue robe" in Ultima Online or a volunteer of ANY kind for any MMO.
When you then state on official forums or anywhere...
"Move on or leave the game"
You should immediantly have your position terminated and most likely have your game accounts suspended.
You are not helping the game or the company...
I don't give a crap about the NGE etc... I don't want to debate any of that.
But after that statement.. if it was my game.. that person would be gone.. period. In fact I've always thought it would be a good idea to put into any forum RoK that making statements like that would have your posting abilities permanently revoked.
"leave the game" .. "go to wow" or whatever variation.
*note*
SOE has not been shy about forum bans in the past. If negative posts bother them.. they can deal with it. If you as a poster don't like what someone says... report it (if it violates rules) or move on. Nothing is going to happen in any positive sense replying to stuff especially when you reply in a manner such as that.
I know posts like this are always gonna turn into some flame fest.. but there is ONE thing I would like to point out. I feel this way NO matter what MMO it was about..
As a senator you by default have a different station than the average forum poster. Just like if back in 1998 you were a "blue robe" in Ultima Online or a volunteer of ANY kind for any MMO.
When you then state on official forums or anywhere...
"Move on or leave the game"
You should immediantly have your position terminated and most likely have your game accounts suspended.
You are not helping the game or the company...
I don't give a crap about the NGE etc... I don't want to debate any of that.
But after that statement.. if it was my game.. that person would be gone.. period. In fact I've always thought it would be a good idea to put into any forum RoK that making statements like that would have your posting abilities permanently revoked.
"leave the game" .. "go to wow" or whatever variation.
*note*
SOE has not been shy about forum bans in the past. If negative posts bother them.. they can deal with it. If you as a poster don't like what someone says... report it (if it violates rules) or move on. Nothing is going to happen in any positive sense replying to stuff especially when you reply in a manner such as that.
Please check your attributes...I didn't write what you quoted above...
Exactly. The vets aren't coming back and the game population continues to shrink every day. It's time for the fanbois to get over it and move on.
vets are over it?
if u didnt spend at least 1 hour a day posting here i would agree
whos a fanboi? im not playing SWG nor am i playing any SOE game, nice try tho
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Exactly. The vets aren't coming back and the game population continues to shrink every day. It's time for the fanbois to get over it and move on.
vets are over it?
if u didnt spend at least 1 hour a day posting here i would agree
whos a fanboi? im not playing SWG nor am i playing any SOE game, nice try tho
Then why do you care what I or any of the other vets post?
Exactly. The vets aren't coming back and the game population continues to shrink every day. It's time for the fanbois to get over it and move on.
vets are over it?
if u didnt spend at least 1 hour a day posting here i would agree
whos a fanboi? im not playing SWG nor am i playing any SOE game, nice try tho
Then why do you care what I or any of the other vets post?
The truth is, we are all here because we like forums and we had nothing better to do. Haters and fanboys alike. Either side suggesting the side opposite them is somehow " a loser with no life who wastes his time posting on a forum" is pretty daft. We're all that person. I'll take that a step further, because there are at least a few of us whom wouldn't be here if they actually had a game they enjoyed to play. That logic suggest that SOE created all of this by simply not doing the intelligent thing and keeping the old code.
Had they done this, not only would they find it easier to do repairs on the current code (they would have examples of the former code structure, and a general guideline to go by), but they would also have the ability to create a classic server like so many other games have done. It may not have gotten them 10 million players...but a classic server would at least have bandaged the hemorrhaging of players to a degree. Hell, anything is better than what they've got. At the end of the day, thats what matters most to the suits at the top of the ladder. Choices that place them in higher profit.
btw welcome to the veteran boards.
I've found that the vast majority of the "I want pre-cu" crowd did not actually play then. I do prefer CH/BE as it was after pub 24 than anyother time. I feel and will do so anyway, that I can state my opinion, I never kid myself that I speak for anyone else. The senate job/volunteer work for me has always been polling and linking what players want to the DEVs.
The only time I ever spoke for myself was from 11.25.05 till chapter 5, crusading for the return of pets.
thanks for the welcome.
Look I consider myself an ally of yours, but I have never met anyone who says "I want pre-CU" that didn't actually play then. Please, find me one.
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btw welcome to the veteran boards.
I've found that the vast majority of the "I want pre-cu" crowd did not actually play then. I do prefer CH/BE as it was after pub 24 than anyother time. I feel and will do so anyway, that I can state my opinion, I never kid myself that I speak for anyone else. The senate job/volunteer work for me has always been polling and linking what players want to the DEVs.
The only time I ever spoke for myself was from 11.25.05 till chapter 5, crusading for the return of pets.
thanks for the welcome.
Look I consider myself an ally of yours, but I have never met anyone who says "I want pre-CU" that didn't actually play then. Please, find me one.
I don't "want my game back" so to speak. At this point, I'd like to see an improvement in the ethics of some service providers.Having said that, I don't believe that all of the people still saying, "I want my game back!" didn't actually play. I think that's a clear miss.
As for crusading to get pets back. I remember reading your posts. They were good, nice work, and thank you for that.
Seriously, where does KrackenOne get off saying a vast majority of those who wants pre-CU back didn't actually play back then? WTF are you pulling out of your butt man?
Talking points like:
I'll have what he's having.
Talking points like:
Can I have "Worthless Viral Marketing Propaganda" for $800 Alex?
That is what I think almost everytime one of those senators comes here to post. The last player reps that had ANY (and only some of them did) credibility were the Correspondents from the old days, and all of those guys quit.
hate to say it sookster54 but they post what there masteres tell em to
hate to say it sookster54 but they post what there masteres tell em to
I believe "SOE Corporate Overlords" is the correct term.
NGE lies spread by Fanibois
# There is a huge number of players on each server but they are just spread out so you can't find them
LIES, in Pre-CU & even in CU you could find people to playwith almost anywhere no you will be lucky to find 10 active players running around not AFK grinding or just AFK
# The game is getting better every day and most of the pre-cu game is back.
LIES-If we was getting the Pre- CU game back why isnt Jedi Locked and all the great content they ripped out for the simpleton "target audience" put back in yet??
# The angry vets haven't played the game in years.
LIES- Most Vets get free trials every 3 months for 14-20 days enuf time to go in and check how much the game still suxs. And myself I quit in Dec 2007
# Collections and cookie-cutter instances are awesome content.
LIES- Last time I read People thought the Collections were boring and the WOWeroics which I myself played and tried nothing bug buggy messes just so you can get trinkeds
# The majority of those who want pre-cu back didn't actually play back then
LIES- If People didnt play back then why was there over 200k in Subs>?? You must be smoking crack,,. And like the NGE is any better with u 10k or less subs .. gve me a break....
hate to say it sookster54 but they post what there masteres tell em to
They post in the same manner that the people in their positions previously that went on to get a job at SOE posted. The senate program is a job apllication for SOE's community team for the majority of senators. Valara or whatever is an example...though from what Ive seen she's doing a fantastic job compared to others..as in not insulting people. there are some good ones who actually care about the game still, though taking the position after those that went before you got shit all over and made to look like asses kinda means you'll never have any credibility, but its their choice. The only problem I see is it really gives the players a false sense that something might actually get better. That SOE will actually do any of the things the senators bring before SOE on behalf of the players. they wont. they never have. They never will. You get what SOE plans and if a player happened to suggest it first before they implement it, then they can say they listen. I think the senators need to be more open with the players about the fact that SOE really doesnt listen or care. I cant believe people still think SOE is gonna do anything other than MAKE THE GAME WORSE. Thats all they do.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Yes on "some" servers the Player Pop is better and you can find people to do stuff with. Yeah even I'll say that a good amount of the servers are not doing well, or in the case of Kauri (a server I moved from and I will not get into why that server is dead, but let me just say the NGE was only part of it.) dead as dead can be. Starsider is doing fairly well, Bria still has the big player Pop, Bloodfin is kinda a weird case as most of the PvP happens in all kinds of spots from what I've been told.
Also just to point this out too, I've played MMO's for a damn long time. And unless the game happens to have the words "World" and "Warcraft" in the title, after sometime Player Pop's do die out. In 2002 I went back to my first UO Server Baja was kinda dead. Lets also add in that SWG has had one of the worst rep's in the history of MMO's, even the great Pre-CU system had a bad rep. Hey you tell me, would you go and play a game after reading it's message boards and all anyone does is scream about the state of the game?
And yes the game is getting better, and yes "Elementals" of the Pre-CU are coming back. Not all the elementals, some are back however.
Buff's are back, and that was one of the big things in the Pre-CU system. The Classes tend to follow what people took in the Pre-CU/CU. Bounty Hunter has the Rifles line that acts semi like Riflemen. The BH Traps and what not are somewhat like the big BH build back in the CU BH/CM. It's not the Pre-CU, however it's alot better then what the NGE was like when it first came out.
As for Jedi not being locked, well look at the very end of the CU. Alpha Jedi for the most part took over the GCW. Alpha Jedi Players where screaming about every little thing. Or am I the only one that remembers the whole "We don't want to be hunted by BH's!" rants that showed up all the time. And what great content? The Village? That plays into the whole Alpha Jedi mindset that I feel was the downfall of the game. The quests to go talk to some NPC, return to the quest giver and get rewarded with a trash item?
And "some" of you upset Vets haven't played the game in years. Not all of you but some, and really how many of the upset vets end up trying out some of the new content and systems. Granted this is SOE's damn fault as alot of you are most likely coming back to servers that are semi-dead. Not only that how many of you have your minds all ready made up when you get that trial? I mean hey if you think something is going to suck guess what? It's going to suck!
As for Collections and the new Heroics, the Collections can kinda be a pain. Some of them are kinda cool, but yes I believe most of them shouldn't be rare item hunts. As for the Heroics tell the truth I like them, they kinda remind of a Sci-Fi D&D like thing. Don't know if you have really looked at MMO's or Pen and Paper RPG's but that's what most are. Go into some setting, kill a ton of underlings, face some big boss, kill and get loot. And yes there are bugs with it at "times" people tend to blow any bug with the game up like everyone and everything suffers from it 24/7. It happens, and it even happens in OTHER games as well.
And lastly yeah a good lot of you want the Pre-CU back, being an old UO Player who had to hear "Bring back Pre-Trammel" for years I could go off on this. I won't but here's the thing...
What "I" want is for the game to move on and get over the past. Believe me bring the Pre-CU system back is not going to help the game. And if you think going back to that system would be easy believe me it won't be.
And wanna know why there was 200k Subs back in those days? SWG was new at the time, people tend to flock to whatever game is new or looked at as the "Next Best Thing". In this case that was WoW, still people did leave in the Pre-CU and CU. Really what happen with SWG was much like what happen with Ultima Online before Trammel came out.
UO when it first came out had a good sized Player Base, even tho people didn't like Player Killing they did play the game as it was there. Then Everquest came out and tons of people left UO, mostly due to the EQ guys coming out and saying "No Player Killing in EQ". So what happen with UO was you ended up being left with a Player Base made up Ultima fans, Player Killers, and people who couldn't run games like EQ.
EA pulled Trammel out and much like the NGE it upset most of the Player Base that UO had at the time. Just like SWG for the most part, only well UO was really 1 of 3 MMO's out at the time so people had to pick from UO, EQ or AC.
Really that is what happen with SWG, the Pre-CU system was great for a "Nitche" Player Base that enjoys that kinda game. Unlike UO, SWG has had a really friggen bad rep for 4+ years now. You have 30+ MMO's on the market to pick from with more coming. Yeah the Player Base isn't going to be overly big with SWG, tell the truth if the Dev's can get their act going and start moving people off the smaller servers. And really go after the bugs and what not. I think the game would be in a better state...
Well you just proved our point Mr NGE lover.
The basic problem we as veterans have with the NGE is that there is no diversity, no freedom of choice, no fun.
What was the fundamental difference between SWG Pre-CU and NGE?
It was the system. Not the content. Not the Quests. Not the Collections. A System where a player was forced to interact with other players. A system were you could be a unique build or at least a Special Build. A System were you could become a Master Dancer Bounty Hunter. A System were crafting was able to create items that everybody needed. A System that had a working economy (feed and drain) A System without classes.......
i could go on but my guess is you will never learn it. Like SOE never will.
Thanks to the tireless vets who continue to spread the word. Good job, guys!
Yes on "some" servers the Player Pop is better and you can find people to do stuff with. Yeah even I'll say that a good amount of the servers are not doing well, or in the case of Kauri (a server I moved from and I will not get into why that server is dead, but let me just say the NGE was only part of it.) dead as dead can be. Starsider is doing fairly well, Bria still has the big player Pop, Bloodfin is kinda a weird case as most of the PvP happens in all kinds of spots from what I've been told.
Also just to point this out too, I've played MMO's for a damn long time. And unless the game happens to have the words "World" and "Warcraft" in the title, after sometime Player Pop's do die out. In 2002 I went back to my first UO Server Baja was kinda dead. Lets also add in that SWG has had one of the worst rep's in the history of MMO's, even the great Pre-CU system had a bad rep. Hey you tell me, would you go and play a game after reading it's message boards and all anyone does is scream about the state of the game?
And yes the game is getting better, and yes "Elementals" of the Pre-CU are coming back. Not all the elementals, some are back however.
Buff's are back, and that was one of the big things in the Pre-CU system. The Classes tend to follow what people took in the Pre-CU/CU. Bounty Hunter has the Rifles line that acts semi like Riflemen. The BH Traps and what not are somewhat like the big BH build back in the CU BH/CM. It's not the Pre-CU, however it's alot better then what the NGE was like when it first came out.
As for Jedi not being locked, well look at the very end of the CU. Alpha Jedi for the most part took over the GCW. Alpha Jedi Players where screaming about every little thing. Or am I the only one that remembers the whole "We don't want to be hunted by BH's!" rants that showed up all the time. And what great content? The Village? That plays into the whole Alpha Jedi mindset that I feel was the downfall of the game. The quests to go talk to some NPC, return to the quest giver and get rewarded with a trash item?
And "some" of you upset Vets haven't played the game in years. Not all of you but some, and really how many of the upset vets end up trying out some of the new content and systems. Granted this is SOE's damn fault as alot of you are most likely coming back to servers that are semi-dead. Not only that how many of you have your minds all ready made up when you get that trial? I mean hey if you think something is going to suck guess what? It's going to suck!
As for Collections and the new Heroics, the Collections can kinda be a pain. Some of them are kinda cool, but yes I believe most of them shouldn't be rare item hunts. As for the Heroics tell the truth I like them, they kinda remind of a Sci-Fi D&D like thing. Don't know if you have really looked at MMO's or Pen and Paper RPG's but that's what most are. Go into some setting, kill a ton of underlings, face some big boss, kill and get loot. And yes there are bugs with it at "times" people tend to blow any bug with the game up like everyone and everything suffers from it 24/7. It happens, and it even happens in OTHER games as well.
And lastly yeah a good lot of you want the Pre-CU back, being an old UO Player who had to hear "Bring back Pre-Trammel" for years I could go off on this. I won't but here's the thing...
What "I" want is for the game to move on and get over the past. Believe me bring the Pre-CU system back is not going to help the game. And if you think going back to that system would be easy believe me it won't be.
And wanna know why there was 200k Subs back in those days? SWG was new at the time, people tend to flock to whatever game is new or looked at as the "Next Best Thing". In this case that was WoW, still people did leave in the Pre-CU and CU. Really what happen with SWG was much like what happen with Ultima Online before Trammel came out.
UO when it first came out had a good sized Player Base, even tho people didn't like Player Killing they did play the game as it was there. Then Everquest came out and tons of people left UO, mostly due to the EQ guys coming out and saying "No Player Killing in EQ". So what happen with UO was you ended up being left with a Player Base made up Ultima fans, Player Killers, and people who couldn't run games like EQ.
EA pulled Trammel out and much like the NGE it upset most of the Player Base that UO had at the time. Just like SWG for the most part, only well UO was really 1 of 3 MMO's out at the time so people had to pick from UO, EQ or AC.
Really that is what happen with SWG, the Pre-CU system was great for a "Nitche" Player Base that enjoys that kinda game. Unlike UO, SWG has had a really friggen bad rep for 4+ years now. You have 30+ MMO's on the market to pick from with more coming. Yeah the Player Base isn't going to be overly big with SWG, tell the truth if the Dev's can get their act going and start moving people off the smaller servers. And really go after the bugs and what not. I think the game would be in a better state...
You are buying into the sotry sold by SOE.
The game was unsuccessful ONLY because they mismanaged the game from day one -- they did not fix the problems with the game. The game was not a "niche" game, it was a VERY broadly appealing game -- what was wrong with it was SOE broke promises regularly and never fixed what was wrong.
They then completely changed the game on people TWICE, and that caused the game to crash.
The changes they have made have not undone that problem, and as such the game, no matter what good they may do now, continues to suffer.
It is still not a good game, and SOE still continues to show the same inconsiderate behavior (although of course to a lesser degree).
Until they learn exactly what was wrong in the first place, and what they did wrong with the CUNGE, the game will fail.
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