i played eve online for 5 minutes and said screw this. i had no clue what i was doing and could not really get what you are suppose to be doing. as far as i know you fly around in your ship and thats pretty much it. if a game cant really get you going in the first 5 minutes why bother playing it longer?
You know they make drugs for that it's called attention deficiet disorder and you seriously need to see your doctor.
I spend an hour at least just creating my character in most mmo's. 5 minutes?!? Give me a break............
i played eve online for 5 minutes and said screw this. i had no clue what i was doing and could not really get what you are suppose to be doing. as far as i know you fly around in your ship and thats pretty much it. if a game cant really get you going in the first 5 minutes why bother playing it longer?
You know they make drugs for that it's called attention deficiet disorder and you seriously need to see your doctor. I spend an hour at least just creating my character in most mmo's. 5 minutes?!? Give me a break............
why i love EVE, filters out all the undesirables...
Yes EVE can be boring, ratting and missions can be a PITA and having to fly 20 jumps to get some ammo or a ship can be lame, sitting in or shooting at POS is mind numbing and there so many boring time sinks and many are unnecessary but when it comes down to balls deep fleet battles and savage small gang fights and the muck and bullets are flying it all becomes worth it.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
yet for some reason I am utterly unable to quit playing. I've been playing since 2006 and I honestly find eve-online boring beyond comprehension. Sometimes I'll roam low sec and not find anyone at all, or wasting 30 mins jumping gates. There are times I don't play eve for months in a row. I haven't played at all march and april. But WHY CAN I NOT QUIT! There is something about getting more SP that prevents me from cancelling my account. Why is it that im addicted to skilling?!? Does anyone else not play eve-online...yet "plays" eve-online?
sometimes. yes.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
well i think its a great game and there a lot of potential... i started 3 months ago
but played a week when its launched and earth and beyond died at that time its was too complicated for me but growing up its a great game ... when you see the average age. there a good mature player base.
and furthermore its the rare mmog where you can play multipes accounts at the same time. i got three accounts and a friend of mine got ten accounts simultaneously. the market is great man i am training i play only 5 minutes per day until i get the right skills up. i make more than a billion every 3 months (not much, but enough for 3 gtc 90days) with buying low, selling high and the occasional scamming in fiveteen languages its f**king great. boring sometimes but great anyways and there room for improvement and the devs are busting their buts when you see what they did with trinity patch.
Unless you have a good imagination and social skills. That is the key. Eve is like a social experiment in many ways.
If you hate politics on a galactic scale, wars of attrition, making people emorage quit after killing them, long periods of boredom followed by minutes of absolute insanity, well then EVE is not for you...go back to wow, or whatever cookie cutter game you came from and have the devs tell you which orc you have to kill next.
As for me, I will continue playing eve, because quite frankly, after 5 years of MMOs and 2.5 in eve there is no lther game like it out on the market.
I like the fact that you dont have a noobie village with some markers on a map to the next contact for a lame mission killing rats, or gnomes. You make your own missions.
After only four days of trial, I did subscribe. One of the reasons why I like the game is it's laid-back way of doing things. I can see how those who need constant entertainment would be easily bored and move on...and for me that's good news! It's a strategy game more than a constant 'tactical' button-mash. I see this having a long-term appeal for me because of that and the roleplay corporation I'd joined. If I want button-mashing, I'll hit up a battleground on World of Warcraft and when I need a break, to Eve I'll go. I also like the game economics. It's been an appeal to me for both games I've mentioned.
After only four days of trial, I did subscribe. One of the reasons why I like the game is it's laid-back way of doing things. I can see how those who need constant entertainment would be easily bored and move on...and for me that's good news! It's a strategy game more than a constant 'tactical' button-mash. I see this having a long-term appeal for me because of that and the roleplay corporation I'd joined. If I want button-mashing, I'll hit up a battleground on World of Warcraft and when I need a break, to Eve I'll go. I also like the game economics. It's been an appeal to me for both games I've mentioned.
Whoa, didn't know that there are still people left with reason. Yes, the description that you just wrote is correct. It is not intense (you don't press a same button 5 times in a second), though you will see that it has it's own intensity. When you're in PvP, your heart constantly races. When you loose something, you loose it for good. And that's what I like about the game. It doesn't have a babysitting mechanics. You can die everywhere in space. And the game follows the principle more risk more gain, that's a plus as well.
About the game being boring. Every game has it's boring parts, hell... the whole genre of MMOs is boring. They all follow the same principle and vary mostly by graphics and the setting, lore that the game is being played in.
I have found the whole waiting thing to be the problem with PvP a lot of times. A few days ago a corp mate of mine was complaining that we didn't see enough action. There was to much waiting. I told him "PvP in EVE is like trying to score with a hot chick, you spend a month closing the deal for 30 mins of fun. But the 30 mins of fun is well worth it."
wait until Stargate Worlds comes out. NONE of you will play EVE anymore then.
Uh... I am an avid fan of the Stargate franchise... however this statement is so silly it's not even funny. SGW offers NOTHING that would draw EVE players away from EVE. I know several (including myself) who may pick it up as a side game (depending how good it is) but it's not a game that's going to supplant EVE. It's not even in the same Genre beyond being sci-fi.
EVE is a space based game of conquest and empire building.
SGW is a LAND based game of .... well running quests... it's sort of like WoW done with Stargate graphics really... which is fine... but it's no EVE killer... not by a mile.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I have found the whole waiting thing to be the problem with PvP a lot of times. A few days ago a corp mate of mine was complaining that we didn't see enough action. There was to much waiting. I told him "PvP in EVE is like trying to score with a hot chick, you spend a month closing the deal for 30 mins of fun. But the 30 mins of fun is well worth it."
Hmmm interesting.
I see action every single day. In the past week I've killed almost 60 ships. I play maybe 2 or 3 hours a day.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I would have to agree with this post. I guess it really depends on your location and situation, but sometimes our corp will spend an hour flying around and find no action. Or i'll spend 30 mins looking for somebody only to spend 10 seconds in combat in my deimos.
I digress, cancelled my subscription after a few months. The game is economically driven with only four ways to really make money: Mining, Looting, Transporting, or Building so in a lot of ways it's like other games that have Gathering, Looting, Questing, and Crafting. It puzzles me when people say it's sandbox, perhaps merely because there's a lot of open unused space. The graphics are amazing, the interface is nifty and the overall game concept is appealing, but the repetition, lack of content, having to re-rent offices every 30 days, waiting a month to skill up (which gives incentive to NOT play), and stock progression of ships/gear/etc. has me agreeing that it is a boring game. It's not the MOST boring game, but the entertainment value wears off after a month or two.
The game is economically driven with only four ways to really make money: Mining, Looting, Transporting, or Building.
oh dear. i think eve might have passed you buy. try trading, scamming, pirating, invention, territory renting, "special services", mercing, etc. your mistake was to just mine and mission.
It puzzles me when people say it's sandbox, perhaps merely because there's a lot of open unused space. The graphics are amazing, the interface is nifty and the overall game concept is appealing, but the repetition, lack of content
i dont think you get eve. its what you make it. in your case you made it another grind fest, so naturally you didnt enjoy it.
stock progression of ships/gear/etc.
if only you could chose to specialise, or generalise, or pick whatever ship you wanted next.
oh dear. i think eve might have passed you buy. try trading, scamming, pirating, invention, territory renting, "special services", mercing, etc. your mistake was to just mine and mission.
i dont think you get eve. its what you make it. in your case you made it another grind fest, so naturally you didnt enjoy it.
if only you could chose to specialise, or generalise, or pick whatever ship you wanted next. you came to EVE and played WoW.
I like to play 'good aligned' so scamming and pirating has no appeal for me. Territory renting is a real pain. Even mercing and such is another way of saying "blowing stuff up", i.e. missions/quests.
Believe me, I was trying very hard to do something other than griding, being that I hate the activity.
I did choose engineering specialization, again, need to grind to get anywhere in it. Same with the ship.
I came to EVE, joined a good roleplay Corp (the only thing that I miss), explored all the game had to offer, and left after months of trying to make it enjoyable. I did not enter my gaming with a pre-set notion. As stated above (if you bothered reading my previous post) I was excited about the possibility of open prospects. Much to my disappointment, the concept was far greater than the realities of the game.
" Even mercing and such is another way of saying "blowing stuff up", i.e. missions/quests."
Umm, no.
There is a huge difference between PvE and PvP in EVE.
I agree with you, grinding through missions can be a pain, and I avoid it myself at all costs!
But, for me anyway, EVE PvP is the most incredible gaming experience out there. The planning, the strategy, tactics, never knowing exactly what your opponent will bring to the fight, all these factors and many more besides make EVE PvP a heartpounding experience.
" Even mercing and such is another way of saying "blowing stuff up", i.e. missions/quests." Umm, no. There is a huge difference between PvE and PvP in EVE. I agree with you, grinding through missions can be a pain, and I avoid it myself at all costs! But, for me anyway, EVE PvP is the most incredible gaming experience out there. The planning, the strategy, tactics, never knowing exactly what your opponent will bring to the fight, all these factors and many more besides make EVE PvP a heartpounding experience. That's something you just won't find in missions.
The only difference between PvE and PvP in EVE is the same as any other game. PvE is against computer generated opponents (which are built less intelligently) versus PvP against other players (which are considered to be more intelligent). I agree strategically PvP is interesting, but there's not much to look and "the bigger ship wins" philosophy seems to apply as it does in other games unless your gang is waiting in the quiets to rescue you. Big ship comes from money. Money comes from grinding, back to square one. EVE looks nice but when you take it out of the box and play with it for a while, the concepts are the same, just in a different garment. Why then invest a year's time (and money) to get the fun stuff that I can get in another game in a few weeks?
The bigger ship wins? Sometimes that is true, but often it is not.
In EVE, big ships have a hard time tracking a skillfully piloted small ship. I know of one case where a frigate held a battleship for over an hour without dying. Unfortunately, he didn't have the DPS to destroy the BS, but the BS couldn't destroy the frigate either. In the end, the BS did something dumb, he ejected and and a friend of the frig pilot got a brand new and fitted BS out of the deal.
I can also show you a kb where characters less than a month old are killing cruisers in their ill fitted T1 frigates.
Assault frigates are another story. A new player could train for one in a few months of play, and they are fast and small enough to evade a BS and they have the DPS to break a BS's tank as well.
EVE is a game of rock/paper/scissors. Every ship has it strengths and weaknesses. Learn what the strengths and weaknesses of the ship you fly and of your potential opponent, and you can do some really amazing things in this game.
All that I have mentioned so far is 1v1, but most engagements in EVE are not 1v1, and the whole dynamic of gang warfare in exponentially more intricate and involved as 1v1.
Sorry, I do not intend to be insulting, but if you think that EVE is cut and dried, bigger is better, or more SP is better, then you have totally missed what makes EVE a great game.
Maybe you should give the game another shot sometime?
Maybe you should give the game another shot sometime?
There's exceptions to every rule, like a kind of rogue versus warrior argument. If a rogue gets behind the warrior, surely the warrior will lose.
I'd like to. If it becomes free I'd definately be back, or if they're inclined to make it more small corporation-friendly, add alternate routes of advancement, give greater incentive towards interplantetary transport rewards, make missions count for something, provide greater reputation or more permanent reputation, establish some reason to have an individual instead of merely a ship, revise training to reward those who play instead of incenting people not to play, and provide some kind of personal involvement into the storyline.
I'd like to. If it becomes free I'd definately be back, (it is free, if you sell the ISK you earn for GTC's) or if they're inclined to make it more small corporation-friendly, (typical corporation in EVE is under 50 real members,, while alliances are massive) add alternate routes of advancement, (there's already about a dozen career paths) give greater incentive towards interplantetary transport rewards, (some follks make billions moving goods from there to there) make missions count for something, (besides providing ISK, faction, salvage components, LPs to spend on special goods?) provide greater reputation or more permanent reputation, (er, they already do, fight a faction war and see what happens to your reputation) establish some reason to have an individual instead of merely a ship, (ambulation just around the corner, but I'm an individual inside a ship now, so not really necessary) revise training to reward those who play (your reward for playing is more ISK, not more training, and the training system is the best part about EVE) instead of incenting people not to play,(I can never find enough time to play, and some folks complain because EVE takes over their whole lives) and provide some kind of personal involvement into the storyline. (besides the fact I can create a corporation/empire/alliance that can dominate all of 0.0 space? What could be a better storyline than that?)
I find your arguements to be specious, and if you really feel this way despite the fact that EVE has just about everything you requested already, then you've totally missed the point and should probably stick to games more like WOW.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I'd like to. If it becomes free I'd definately be back, (it is free, if you sell the ISK you earn for GTC's) or if they're inclined to make it more small corporation-friendly, (typical corporation in EVE is under 50 real members,, while alliances are massive) add alternate routes of advancement, (there's already about a dozen career paths) give greater incentive towards interplantetary transport rewards, (some follks make billions moving goods from there to there) make missions count for something, (besides providing ISK, faction, salvage components, LPs to spend on special goods?) provide greater reputation or more permanent reputation, (er, they already do, fight a faction war and see what happens to your reputation) establish some reason to have an individual instead of merely a ship, (ambulation just around the corner, but I'm an individual inside a ship now, so not really necessary) revise training to reward those who play (your reward for playing is more ISK, not more training, and the training system is the best part about EVE) instead of incenting people not to play,(I can never find enough time to play, and some folks complain because EVE takes over their whole lives) and provide some kind of personal involvement into the storyline. (besides the fact I can create a corporation/empire/alliance that can dominate all of 0.0 space? What could be a better storyline than that?)
I find your arguements to be specious, and if you really feel this way despite the fact that EVE has just about everything you requested already, then you've totally missed the point and should probably stick to games more like WOW.
Yes, I do feel this way. I'm not sure what the point is to "fight" with me on my concerns, I have no interest in expanding into pointless bickering. It doesn't make them "go away". I'm glad you enjoy the game, I just wish I did. My feeling towards EVE is one of disappointment, not anger. Regarding your "stick to WoW" meme (broken record retort), you've given me yet another reason not to come back. When you feel it fitting to dismount from your high horse, I'd be glad to engage in a reasonable discourse.
I'd like to. If it becomes free I'd definately be back, (it is free, if you sell the ISK you earn for GTC's) or if they're inclined to make it more small corporation-friendly, (typical corporation in EVE is under 50 real members,, while alliances are massive) add alternate routes of advancement, (there's already about a dozen career paths) give greater incentive towards interplantetary transport rewards, (some follks make billions moving goods from there to there) make missions count for something, (besides providing ISK, faction, salvage components, LPs to spend on special goods?) provide greater reputation or more permanent reputation, (er, they already do, fight a faction war and see what happens to your reputation) establish some reason to have an individual instead of merely a ship, (ambulation just around the corner, but I'm an individual inside a ship now, so not really necessary) revise training to reward those who play (your reward for playing is more ISK, not more training, and the training system is the best part about EVE) instead of incenting people not to play,(I can never find enough time to play, and some folks complain because EVE takes over their whole lives) and provide some kind of personal involvement into the storyline. (besides the fact I can create a corporation/empire/alliance that can dominate all of 0.0 space? What could be a better storyline than that?)
I find your arguements to be specious, and if you really feel this way despite the fact that EVE has just about everything you requested already, then you've totally missed the point and should probably stick to games more like WOW.
Yes, I do feel this way. I'm not sure what the point is to "fight" with me on my concerns, I have no interest in expanding into pointless bickering. It doesn't make them "go away". I'm glad you enjoy the game, I just wish I did. My feeling towards EVE is one of disappointment, not anger. Regarding your "stick to WoW" meme, you've given me yet another reason not to try it again. When you feel it fitting to dismount from your high horse, I'd be glad to engage in a reasonable discourse.
Not sure why you think I'm "figiting you", however I am providing viable counterpoints to your arguments for not enjoying EVE.
I'm saying they are more a matter of your perception than actual issue with the game. I'm not saying it makes them go away (well, actually, they did, but maybe not in your mind) and I'm not saying that you should be playing EVE.
Telling you to play games like WOW isn't a direct slam, I'm saying you are wired more for that sort of gameplay thats a bit more directed and controlled, and there's nothing wrong with that, seems like 12M other players are right there with you.
As for coming down off my high horse, won't ever happen, afterall, I am an EVE player.
(and next on the plate is DFO, imagine how insufferable I'll become then)
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i played eve online for 5 minutes and said screw this. i had no clue what i was doing and could not really get what you are suppose to be doing. as far as i know you fly around in your ship and thats pretty much it. if a game cant really get you going in the first 5 minutes why bother playing it longer?
You know they make drugs for that it's called attention deficiet disorder and you seriously need to see your doctor.
I spend an hour at least just creating my character in most mmo's. 5 minutes?!? Give me a break............
why i love EVE, filters out all the undesirables...
Yes EVE can be boring, ratting and missions can be a PITA and having to fly 20 jumps to get some ammo or a ship can be lame, sitting in or shooting at POS is mind numbing and there so many boring time sinks and many are unnecessary but when it comes down to balls deep fleet battles and savage small gang fights and the muck and bullets are flying it all becomes worth it.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
I played since launch for 2.5 years, but then got perma banned
ebay is bad mmkay
sometimes. yes.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
well i think its a great game and there a lot of potential... i started 3 months ago
but played a week when its launched and earth and beyond died at that time its was too complicated for me but growing up its a great game ... when you see the average age. there a good mature player base.
and furthermore its the rare mmog where you can play multipes accounts at the same time. i got three accounts and a friend of mine got ten accounts simultaneously. the market is great man i am training i play only 5 minutes per day until i get the right skills up. i make more than a billion every 3 months (not much, but enough for 3 gtc 90days) with buying low, selling high and the occasional scamming in fiveteen languages
its f**king great. boring sometimes but great anyways and there room for improvement and the devs are busting their buts when you see what they did with trinity patch.
Eve is boring...
Unless you have a good imagination and social skills. That is the key. Eve is like a social experiment in many ways.
If you hate politics on a galactic scale, wars of attrition, making people emorage quit after killing them, long periods of boredom followed by minutes of absolute insanity, well then EVE is not for you...go back to wow, or whatever cookie cutter game you came from and have the devs tell you which orc you have to kill next.
As for me, I will continue playing eve, because quite frankly, after 5 years of MMOs and 2.5 in eve there is no lther game like it out on the market.
I like the fact that you dont have a noobie village with some markers on a map to the next contact for a lame mission killing rats, or gnomes. You make your own missions.
good day.
After only four days of trial, I did subscribe. One of the reasons why I like the game is it's laid-back way of doing things. I can see how those who need constant entertainment would be easily bored and move on...and for me that's good news! It's a strategy game more than a constant 'tactical' button-mash. I see this having a long-term appeal for me because of that and the roleplay corporation I'd joined. If I want button-mashing, I'll hit up a battleground on World of Warcraft and when I need a break, to Eve I'll go. I also like the game economics. It's been an appeal to me for both games I've mentioned.
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Whoa, didn't know that there are still people left with reason. Yes, the description that you just wrote is correct. It is not intense (you don't press a same button 5 times in a second), though you will see that it has it's own intensity. When you're in PvP, your heart constantly races. When you loose something, you loose it for good. And that's what I like about the game. It doesn't have a babysitting mechanics. You can die everywhere in space. And the game follows the principle more risk more gain, that's a plus as well.
About the game being boring. Every game has it's boring parts, hell... the whole genre of MMOs is boring. They all follow the same principle and vary mostly by graphics and the setting, lore that the game is being played in.
Be good and enjoy!
You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
I have found the whole waiting thing to be the problem with PvP a lot of times. A few days ago a corp mate of mine was complaining that we didn't see enough action. There was to much waiting. I told him "PvP in EVE is like trying to score with a hot chick, you spend a month closing the deal for 30 mins of fun. But the 30 mins of fun is well worth it."
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Uh... I am an avid fan of the Stargate franchise... however this statement is so silly it's not even funny. SGW offers NOTHING that would draw EVE players away from EVE. I know several (including myself) who may pick it up as a side game (depending how good it is) but it's not a game that's going to supplant EVE. It's not even in the same Genre beyond being sci-fi.
EVE is a space based game of conquest and empire building.
SGW is a LAND based game of .... well running quests... it's sort of like WoW done with Stargate graphics really... which is fine... but it's no EVE killer... not by a mile.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Hmmm interesting.
I see action every single day. In the past week I've killed almost 60 ships. I play maybe 2 or 3 hours a day.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I would have to agree with this post. I guess it really depends on your location and situation, but sometimes our corp will spend an hour flying around and find no action. Or i'll spend 30 mins looking for somebody only to spend 10 seconds in combat in my deimos.
Well, since KIA is one of the major corps, alliances? out there, of course you'll see a lot of action
You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
i was like you then just went with 1 month on 1 month off, train 30d+ skills while account is deactivated and the smaller ones while you can log on
I digress, cancelled my subscription after a few months. The game is economically driven with only four ways to really make money: Mining, Looting, Transporting, or Building so in a lot of ways it's like other games that have Gathering, Looting, Questing, and Crafting. It puzzles me when people say it's sandbox, perhaps merely because there's a lot of open unused space. The graphics are amazing, the interface is nifty and the overall game concept is appealing, but the repetition, lack of content, having to re-rent offices every 30 days, waiting a month to skill up (which gives incentive to NOT play), and stock progression of ships/gear/etc. has me agreeing that it is a boring game. It's not the MOST boring game, but the entertainment value wears off after a month or two.
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oh dear. i think eve might have passed you buy. try trading, scamming, pirating, invention, territory renting, "special services", mercing, etc. your mistake was to just mine and mission.
i dont think you get eve. its what you make it. in your case you made it another grind fest, so naturally you didnt enjoy it.
if only you could chose to specialise, or generalise, or pick whatever ship you wanted next.
you came to EVE and played WoW.
I like to play 'good aligned' so scamming and pirating has no appeal for me. Territory renting is a real pain. Even mercing and such is another way of saying "blowing stuff up", i.e. missions/quests.
Believe me, I was trying very hard to do something other than griding, being that I hate the activity.
I did choose engineering specialization, again, need to grind to get anywhere in it. Same with the ship.
I came to EVE, joined a good roleplay Corp (the only thing that I miss), explored all the game had to offer, and left after months of trying to make it enjoyable. I did not enter my gaming with a pre-set notion. As stated above (if you bothered reading my previous post) I was excited about the possibility of open prospects. Much to my disappointment, the concept was far greater than the realities of the game.
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" Even mercing and such is another way of saying "blowing stuff up", i.e. missions/quests."
Umm, no.
There is a huge difference between PvE and PvP in EVE.
I agree with you, grinding through missions can be a pain, and I avoid it myself at all costs!
But, for me anyway, EVE PvP is the most incredible gaming experience out there. The planning, the strategy, tactics, never knowing exactly what your opponent will bring to the fight, all these factors and many more besides make EVE PvP a heartpounding experience.
That's something you just won't find in missions.
The only difference between PvE and PvP in EVE is the same as any other game. PvE is against computer generated opponents (which are built less intelligently) versus PvP against other players (which are considered to be more intelligent). I agree strategically PvP is interesting, but there's not much to look and "the bigger ship wins" philosophy seems to apply as it does in other games unless your gang is waiting in the quiets to rescue you. Big ship comes from money. Money comes from grinding, back to square one. EVE looks nice but when you take it out of the box and play with it for a while, the concepts are the same, just in a different garment. Why then invest a year's time (and money) to get the fun stuff that I can get in another game in a few weeks?
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The bigger ship wins? Sometimes that is true, but often it is not.
In EVE, big ships have a hard time tracking a skillfully piloted small ship. I know of one case where a frigate held a battleship for over an hour without dying. Unfortunately, he didn't have the DPS to destroy the BS, but the BS couldn't destroy the frigate either. In the end, the BS did something dumb, he ejected and and a friend of the frig pilot got a brand new and fitted BS out of the deal.
I can also show you a kb where characters less than a month old are killing cruisers in their ill fitted T1 frigates.
Assault frigates are another story. A new player could train for one in a few months of play, and they are fast and small enough to evade a BS and they have the DPS to break a BS's tank as well.
EVE is a game of rock/paper/scissors. Every ship has it strengths and weaknesses. Learn what the strengths and weaknesses of the ship you fly and of your potential opponent, and you can do some really amazing things in this game.
All that I have mentioned so far is 1v1, but most engagements in EVE are not 1v1, and the whole dynamic of gang warfare in exponentially more intricate and involved as 1v1.
Sorry, I do not intend to be insulting, but if you think that EVE is cut and dried, bigger is better, or more SP is better, then you have totally missed what makes EVE a great game.
Maybe you should give the game another shot sometime?
There's exceptions to every rule, like a kind of rogue versus warrior argument. If a rogue gets behind the warrior, surely the warrior will lose.
I'd like to. If it becomes free I'd definately be back, or if they're inclined to make it more small corporation-friendly, add alternate routes of advancement, give greater incentive towards interplantetary transport rewards, make missions count for something, provide greater reputation or more permanent reputation, establish some reason to have an individual instead of merely a ship, revise training to reward those who play instead of incenting people not to play, and provide some kind of personal involvement into the storyline.
http://www.allaboutgod.com/
I find your arguements to be specious, and if you really feel this way despite the fact that EVE has just about everything you requested already, then you've totally missed the point and should probably stick to games more like WOW.
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I find your arguements to be specious, and if you really feel this way despite the fact that EVE has just about everything you requested already, then you've totally missed the point and should probably stick to games more like WOW.
Yes, I do feel this way. I'm not sure what the point is to "fight" with me on my concerns, I have no interest in expanding into pointless bickering. It doesn't make them "go away". I'm glad you enjoy the game, I just wish I did. My feeling towards EVE is one of disappointment, not anger. Regarding your "stick to WoW" meme (broken record retort), you've given me yet another reason not to come back. When you feel it fitting to dismount from your high horse, I'd be glad to engage in a reasonable discourse.
http://www.allaboutgod.com/
I find your arguements to be specious, and if you really feel this way despite the fact that EVE has just about everything you requested already, then you've totally missed the point and should probably stick to games more like WOW.
Yes, I do feel this way. I'm not sure what the point is to "fight" with me on my concerns, I have no interest in expanding into pointless bickering. It doesn't make them "go away". I'm glad you enjoy the game, I just wish I did. My feeling towards EVE is one of disappointment, not anger. Regarding your "stick to WoW" meme, you've given me yet another reason not to try it again. When you feel it fitting to dismount from your high horse, I'd be glad to engage in a reasonable discourse.
Not sure why you think I'm "figiting you", however I am providing viable counterpoints to your arguments for not enjoying EVE.
I'm saying they are more a matter of your perception than actual issue with the game. I'm not saying it makes them go away (well, actually, they did, but maybe not in your mind) and I'm not saying that you should be playing EVE.
Telling you to play games like WOW isn't a direct slam, I'm saying you are wired more for that sort of gameplay thats a bit more directed and controlled, and there's nothing wrong with that, seems like 12M other players are right there with you.
As for coming down off my high horse, won't ever happen, afterall, I am an EVE player.
(and next on the plate is DFO, imagine how insufferable I'll become then)
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon