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Can I smell vapourware>?
Jupsto
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this game looks interesting. i am interested.
but all i've seen are some screenshots. there doesn't appear to be any videos. and this game is coming out in a year?
this game looks like another darkfall to me. just promises and the occasional pretty screenie.
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Except Darkfall has done that for over 5 years ( 7 if you count the first 2 years before they decided to "redo" everything ). So this one still gets a little more leeway than Darkfall.
still anyone can make some screen of pretty enviroments. that does not mean it is a game. As good as this game sounds I'm not gona ride the hypewagon until I at least see some ingame videos.
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Lol.. and again the same ppl complaining. Look, it is a game from a indy development team, with that said, they will need some more time than a major company with 150+ developers and almost unlimited funding. Yes.. Earthrise will most probably not release next year, and even 2010 is doubtful.. but to say it is vaporware is just ridiculous.
And dont expect one million advertising and hype vids like from AoC or WAR.. it will not happen, they have not the funding, they have not the enormous amount of developers, and they have most probably something better to do with their time and their money. And they have not a PR department which is as huge as a lot of indy team in a whole.
So give them a break, and let them develop their game, and let them show us what they have, when they are ready for it. No patience nowadays, but not a need for a hypewagon either, estimate it, when it is actually released.. and not 3 years before.. because no game will come close to the hype before...
I can smell people looking to condemn that which they know nothing about. Be patient, eventually they will release more information.
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OMG!
Are they importing vaporware believers in to the MMO community now??
Why cant all of them just get a own game or something? Maybe all developers should stop making MMOs, since some people cant stand the idea of not knowing everything about everything.
Relax, its a small developer trying to make a good game....compared to all big companys making bad games : )
but your argument is flawed. you do not need tons of funding to make a video of the game. nor would it take tons of time. you need money and time to make the content, yes. but just to film a bit and put onto the internet would be relatively effortless.
they should move thier realease date now if theres no hope they'd make it. until they do that they won't get my sympathy as they are claiming to have this finished in a year.
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The game is not vaporware. Beta starts this fall. Masthead Studios just announced the hiring of SpeedTree to do their ingame foliage. SpeedTree did the foliage for GTA IV.
Not the most interesting thing ever about game development but this comes on the heels of their announcement of hiring Scaleform to do their UI.
Both companies are the absolute best in their fields. Check out the press releases for Scaleform.
ER is right on schedule at the moment. This is not some incompetent indie dev team.
Just out of curiosity, how many competitors does SpeedTree have?
The original post reminds me of when I was a kid driving on vacation with my family and my sister going 10 min into it, "Are we there yet? are we there yet?"
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The original post reminds me of when I was a kid driving on vacation with my family and my sister going 10 min into it, "Are we there yet? are we there yet?"
lol
I think it is too early to cry foul
Personally I dig what they are up to
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this game just started advertising this year. Darkfall has been in development for 5-7, If this game doesnt come out by next year then i will call it vaporware, it is way too early in development to tell if its vaporware or not.
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Neither was darkfall called for release just one year and a half after it's announcement.
Anyhow - I don't think this game will release in 2009, maybe in 2011.
Alright alright alright, shake it shake it.
Word for word exactly the same
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
but your argument is flawed. you do not need tons of funding to make a video of the game. nor would it take tons of time. you need money and time to make the content, yes. but just to film a bit and put onto the internet would be relatively effortless.
they should move thier realease date now if theres no hope they'd make it. until they do that they won't get my sympathy as they are claiming to have this finished in a year.
How in the hell do you know if a game needs alot of money to be made?I love how players of games consider themselves fonts of knowledge just on speculation and conjecture.
Jesus Christ 3 years of development time and some moron is saying vapor ware?
I guess since wow took over 5 years to release its vaporware also ?
Yeah I would like to see a video also. But again the game might not come out in 2009. A lot of mmo's don't come out on the date that was announced. I am sure tho by the time that beta is about to start they will have some videos out. If what people say are correct than beta should start by the end of this year. SO they still got about 7 more months to get a video. Tho i really like beta videos better. So I am fine for now.
Darkfall is most likely a bunch of mularkey, give earthrise another year or two before you go jumping the gun calling it vapourware.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Darkfall is most likely a bunch of mularkey, give earthrise another year or two before you go jumping the gun calling it vapourware.
Guys, i don't know why you keep deluding yourselfs. This game wont see the market anytime soon if ever, and its current state is disaster. The game director make huge mistake by announcing the project to the public, 90% of the stuff that creates all the hype is on paper, and the current developer staff are bunch of wannabe's, the only exception are the artist, some of them are real talents.
Darkfall is most likely a bunch of mularkey, give earthrise another year or two before you go jumping the gun calling it vapourware.
Guys, i don't know why you keep deluding yourselfs. This game wont see the market anytime soon if ever, and its current state is disaster. The game director make huge mistake by announcing the project to the public, 90% of the stuff that creates all the hype is on paper, and the current developer staff are bunch of wannabe's, the only exception are the artist, some of them are real talents.
Wow you really need to get into the Earthrise Community. Really a great crowed and I am really sure that this game will go to market. No doubt this one will make it. There is still a lot of things that is unknown about this game. I think what the director is announcing is good and informative. People need to know what this game is going to be about. That is the whole point of announcing a game is talking about it. Once beta start i am sure that once those videos start rolling out people will go crazy over this game. The game has soooooo much potential.
The concern I have and what needs to be looked at is the platform or engine being used. Masthead has stated of developing their own system, which should raise the yellow flag of caution. Given such a short time frame for development to public testing.
Generally short development time frames is done by licensing engines/platforms.
For the other companies, that is just a mater of obtain the licenses or making contracts. A Speedtree license goes for under $10,000.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Darkfall is most likely a bunch of mularkey, give earthrise another year or two before you go jumping the gun calling it vapourware.
Guys, i don't know why you keep deluding yourselfs. This game wont see the market anytime soon if ever, and its current state is disaster. The game director make huge mistake by announcing the project to the public, 90% of the stuff that creates all the hype is on paper, and the current developer staff are bunch of wannabe's, the only exception are the artist, some of them are real talents.
Wow you really need to get into the Earthrise Community. Really a great crowed and I am really sure that this game will go to market. No doubt this one will make it. There is still a lot of things that is unknown about this game. I think what the director is announcing is good and informative. People need to know what this game is going to be about. That is the whole point of announcing a game is talking about it. Once beta start i am sure that once those videos start rolling out people will go crazy over this game. The game has soooooo much potential.
Heh.. its easy to be optimist from far, far away. But i have much closer look into this project from here (Masthead office is in my city and it happens that i know some ppl from their staff IRL)
And as far as a tech video goes, those who desire eye candy most likely aren't going to be the ones the devs want to be in the blended pool of ER. If you all would go to the ER Forums you might be able to see that it isn't a Darkfall as is. There are frequent updates, an active community, and progress through the game itself. Beta is said to be starting late this fall or early next spring, wait more than 3 months to call this vapourware?
I'm also happy to see others from the ER Community here.
I see someone has impersonated me, even going so far as to think before posting such a message.
No mater, here is some more material to copy and past over there.
So after reading that thread of answers from the community (no response from the Developers). Four years of development, is still short. And I'll define "short" in this manner.
The first year is generally needed to create the mechanics, documentation and pitching, actually pitching can take a number of years, but that is another topic. Coding should not begin so soon, unless the documentation has already been completed. Now for coding an engine from scratch, takes years. Refer to the AAA companies with the ones who have created their own engines and are plagued with bugs, some more than others. They take generally, what, 3 years to get things coded.
Also from the screenshots, they appear to be of one small area that has been made with content; using different camera angles. There is a lack of diversity, which given 6 to 8 months or so to have the game ready for Beta... maybe using a random seeding program or something, but that is going to be tough to crunch out that content of the world in that amount of time.
To get Beta out within this year, that is pushing to the early side.
As for participating at the forums, no. I've seen the same cycle before with Star Trek Online and PE. Great sharp game engine screenshots, with a short development cycle, using their own engine which had been in development years prior. Sorry, but I'll stick here and see what happens.
I'm not against innovation or seeing Indies become successful. Just certain parameters here are out of the norm, hence caution.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Saying that because they are only using one small area for the screenshots the possibility of having a beta in 2009 is just the common desire for eye candy taking over. I'm sure the devs have better things to do than produce shots from every aspect the game will occur in. A player shouldn't require eye candy to believe that a game is making progress.
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If you're referring to the QOTW thread then you are mistaken. There are two seperate threads, one in which the community gives questions to Molly aKa Community Advisor and another in which the devs answer a question chosen out of the given ones of the community. So I don't see where the devs have ignored any curiosity of the ER Community.
I agree that it is an abnormal situation and caution is one of ER's many traits, but I consider the likelyhood of ER going into open beta in 2009 more probable than having another Darkfall.
I'm not saying that Earthrise will not happen at all. We're pretty much agreeing that it won't launch for Beta this year. Perhaps next or the year after.
Correct, its not all about the "eye-candy." Great graphics and videos don't mean a game is in the works as we have seen with other titles. But a good amount of information can be provided from screenshots as well as what has been provided. Consider it, reading between the lines and pixels. Stay tunned to see often at the rate of new screenshots occur.
As for the forums, I referred to the one in which my message was copied, no developer responses so far about the game platform. Now if there has been a response about the platform and possible specs (of course likely to be high-level or generalized), then a link would be helpful.
I'm not familiar with the drama of Darkfall, other than it's fate of going live is debated. But something to check into is what happened to Star Trek Online. As mentioned by Enigma, what has been provided so far (again, so far) is following along with what PE did with Star Trek Online.
Let's put something else forward here on the table. The announcement of Scaleform for the UI, just last month. If I understand this correctly, this allows the Scaleform system to be integrate the system into their own front-end, not for the company of Scaleform to install it and make it work. Integration of 3rd party products never work the first time though when using proprietary platforms. It takes time for full integration and proper use. So that is another point of to use caution. New UI system within the year of launching Beta? (This by itself, not to worry about; but hen coupled with other items..)
Unless of course, the platform was licensed or of open source to begin with...
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I hope this game makes it out of the blocks, and I agree that its a bit early to call it vapor, however the parallels between DF fan replies and Earthrise fans is uncanny. Small indie team, no time to make videos, making a quality product with more features than any 3 MMO's combined. (and all for 1/10 the normal budget)
We'll see.
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