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Can Obama Beat McCain?

I doubt it. 

Despite what the media's "official" polls to their sheeple viewers state, I will be surprised if Obama can beat McCain.  I've heard countless white people say, behind closed doors, that they will never vote for a black man.  Of course, they are not going to admit it in public....but the voting booth's not public, is it?  I know it's sad that, in this day and age, many Americans still fall back into racist mindsets when it comes to leadership.  It certainly did not help matters for Obama to be involved with the whole Jeremiah Wright scandal and I don't think it helped that he's obtained something like 92% of the black vote;  it makes those bigot voters even less apt to support Obama in the general election when they feel like he will only watch out for his race during his term. 

I've decided to support Hillary, not because I give a crap about race or gender but because I do not want a continuation of the last eight years of terrible leadership in this country and that's what McCain and the Republicans stand for.

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  • TookyGTookyG Warhammer Online CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,115

    McCain can beat Obama, Obama can beat McCain.  There's a long way to go until November.

    Also, don't lump McCain and all Republicans in with W.  It doesn't make sense to do so.  If you start thinking that all people in their respective parties are the same then what does that make all Democrats?  Tree-hugging, tax-and-spend, cowards?  No, they're not all like that.  What would all Republicans be?  Bible-beating, heartless, warmongers?  No, they're not all like that.

    If you want this country to move forward everyone on both sides of the isle has to work together.

    Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.

  • VampirVampir Member Posts: 4,239

    Originally posted by Par-Salian


    I doubt it. 
    Despite what the media's "official" polls to their sheeple viewers state, I will be surprised if Obama can beat McCain.  I've heard countless white people say, behind closed doors, that they will never vote for a black man.  Of course, they are not going to admit it in public....but the voting booth's not public, is it?  I know it's sad that, in this day and age, many Americans still fall back into racist mindsets when it comes to leadership.  It certainly did not help matters for Obama to be involved with the whole Jeremiah Wright scandal and I don't think it helped that he's obtained something like 92% of the black vote;  it makes those bigot voters even less apt to support Obama in the general election when they feel like he will only watch out for his race during his term. 


    I've decided to support Hillary, not because I give a crap about race or gender but because I do not want a continuation of the last eight years of terrible leadership in this country and that's what McCain and the Republicans stand for.

    Because you know if you actually look at it McCain isn't really all that connected with his party.

    He has been for campaign finance reform before any democrat, he was the first one to be openly pissed once the bullshit behind the WMD intelligence was discovered, and he bitched about it a lot,  He was the first to complain about the conditions and torture in guatanamo bay.

    He really has never been in the bush camp and has actually ran AGAINST bush.

    Hilary and Obama i don't think either stand a chance against McCain.

    Obama because minority voters vote in insanely low numbers and he could never win the wouth or the midwest, or the southest.

    Hilary because she is too liberal, and a woman.

    Not to mention McCain has the most wiggle room of all the canadates, none of the hardline republicans are gonna vote for a obama or hilary, he has always had the support of moderate republicans, So he can slide to left to get the support of moderate democrats.

    Which isn't hypocrital of him because he has always been in that position.

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  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306

    Originally posted by TookyG


    McCain can beat Obama, Obama can beat McCain.  There's a long way to go until November.
    Also, don't lump McCain and all Republicans in with W.  It doesn't make sense to do so.  If you start thinking that all people in their respective parties are the same then what does that make all Democrats?  Tree-hugging, tax-and-spend, cowards?  No, they're not all like that.  What would all Republicans be?  Bible-beating, heartless, warmongers?  No, they're not all like that.
    If you want this country to move forward everyone on both sides of the isle has to work together.
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    Originally posted by Vampir


     
    Because you know if you actually look at it McCain isn't really all that connected with his party.
    He has been for campaign finance reform before any democrat, he was the first one to be openly pissed once the bullshit behind the WMD intelligence was discovered, and he bitched about it a lot,  He was the first to complain about the conditions and torture in guatanamo bay.
     

    Hmmm, wonder where he stands on these issues now. When was the last time you had a look at old McCain anyway? You're not saying he's just going through the motions to try and weasel into the white house, then defect from the republicans, are you? Whatever happened to the 'straight talk express'? I suppose he meant it at the time he said it though. Times do CHANGE. Better not get caught flip-flopping. We all know what happened to the last guy who did that.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    McCain will trash Obama in the GE.

     



     






  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by Precusor


    McCain will trash Obama in the GE.




    That's a given. Too bad merely trashing his name won't win McCain the election.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    Another Obama adviser quietly tossed under the bus for holding talks with Hamas.

  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695

    I wish we were seeing the "old" McCain, I'd have an easy time voting for him.  Sadly, I don't agree with a ton of his election year politics.  That's part of my problem with him now is that his record used to be quite clear on many topics, but now, I'm not really positive what he would do regardless of what he promises in this election year.  To be honest, the candidate I expect to remain closest to their past is Clinton.  If I were to vote for her, at least I feel I know what I would be getting.  Obama is shrouded in so much mystery to me, it amazes me that people actually can consider him for President.  I can listen to what he says, read what he and his campaign publish, but every time I feel I am being set up for an ambush.

  • I doubt there will be an "election" in November...something will happen between now and then - an event of sufficient gravity to give Dubya the excuse he needs to declare martial law.

     

    But if the "election" is allowed to take place...the magic negro will "win". What better way to implement the draft than to have Barack Obama do it?

  • unconformedunconformed Member Posts: 700

    obama only speaks speeches well. live performances with QnA's he's a stumbling fool like most politicians.

    so NO. is the answer.

    chips, dips chains & whips.

  • GorairGorair Member Posts: 959

     

    Originally posted by poopypants


    I doubt there will be an "election" in November...something will happen between now and then - an event of sufficient gravity to give Dubya the excuse he needs to declare martial law.
     
    But if the "election" is allowed to take place...the magic negro will "win". What better way to implement the draft than to have Barack Obama do it?

     

    this cant be a for real post.

     

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    Conducted 4/30-5/3 by FD; surveyed 278 GOP primary voters and 374 Dem primary voters; margins of error +/- 6% and +/- 5%, respectively (release, 5/9).

    WH '08 Primary Election Matchup (Dems)

    -               Now 3/31 2/17
    B. Obama 48% 50% 43%
    H. Clinton 37 38 45
    Other -- 1 1
    Undec 8 6 7

     

    Fav/Unfav

    -           Now             3/31            2/17
    - GOP Dem GOP Dem GOP Dem
    J. McCain 72%/20% 28%/59% 84%/12% 37%/51% 68%/18% 44%/40%
    G. Bush 60 /36 11 /85 67 /31 12 /86 67 /29 16 /82
    B. Obama 31 /61 69 /23 31 /60 77 /17 37 /48 71 /22
    R. Nader 22 /52 28 /45 23 /46 22 /43 na na
    H. Clinton 21 /76 70 /26 14 /83 70 /26 21 /78 81 /14
    B. Clinton 16 /82 75 /20 18 /79 73 /24 21 /79 80 /16

     

    How Satisfied Would You Be If Obama/Clinton Gets The Dem Nod? (Dems)

    -                   Now         3/31        2/17
    - Oba Cli Oba Cli Oba Cli
    Very/somewhat 76% 75% 77% 75% 78% 79%
    Not very/not at all 21 23 18 23 18 19

     

    Are You Satisfied With McCain As The GOP Nominee, Or Would You Have Preferred Someone Else? (GOPers)

    -                           Now 3/31
    Preferred someone else 55% 52%
    Satisfied with McCain 42 44

     

    If Obama/Clinton Gets The Dem Nod, Would You Vote For ___? (Dems)

    -                                 Now      3/31     2/17
    - Oba Cli Oba Cli Oba Cli
    Him/her enthusiastically in Nov. 56% 50% 56% 49% 55% 59%
    Him/her, but mainly against GOPer 21 27 22 30 22 22
    The GOP candidate 12 9 9 10 9 10
    Not vote at all 6 8 7 7 6 5

     

    Which Best Describes Your Nov. Reaction To McCain Getting The GOP Nod? (GOPers)

    -                                           Now 3/31
    Vote for him enthusiastically 34% 38%
    Vote for him, but mainly against the Dem 42 40
    Vote for the Dem candidate 11 7
    Not vote at all 2 4

     

    Has Obama Been Attacking Clinton Unfairly, Or Not? (Dems)

    -                   Now 3/31 
    Yes, has been 21% 22%
    No, has not 67 70

     

    Has Clinton Been Attacking Obama Unfairly, Or Not? (Dems)

    -                   Now 3/31
    Yes, has been 50% 49%
    No, has not 38 41

     

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  • CeredwynnCeredwynn Member Posts: 124

    If people really want change then Obama is the path of choice. If you don't want a continuation of the last couple presidential terms then why put another Clinton in the White House or McCain that will continue Bush's will.

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  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    Good luck in the GE.


  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695

    Originally posted by Ceredwynn


    If people really want change then Obama is the path of choice. If you don't want a continuation of the last couple presidential terms then why put another Clinton in the White House or McCain that will continue Bush's will.
    Yeah, but change to what?  That's my beef.  If you listen to him speak, it is one thing (depending on the crowd).  If you read his campaign website, it is another thing (standard duplicity rhetoric).  If you look at his short record, it is another thing (predominantly left leaning).  Bottom line for me is that I don't trust him.  A man that defends his Christian background by using his 20 years in a Chicago church as evidence and then when the heat is turned on his pastor's Marxist rhetoric, he denounces his self-proclaimed "mentor."  We may all be sick of hearing about it, but the fact for me is that the whole situation is fishy.

     

    Lastly, McCain is not Bush.  I honestly don't believe that McCain really even likes Bush all that much.  He plays the politician, but he has been at odds with Bush for quite some time.  He has been critical of many of the White House policies for some time, and although he has supported his party, like he should, he has still voiced resentment toward overall management.

  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546

    Originally posted by Nasica


    The best way to defeat "empty rhetoric" is with empty rhetoric, hey precurser ?

    Those clips are utterly useless.

    The childish political methods that the American government stoop to....
    Do your leaders hang with terrorist, criminals and racist Nasica?

    You think the government made that video?!?!  huh?

  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546
    Originally posted by Nasica


     
    Originally posted by Vemoi


     
    Originally posted by Nasica


    The best way to defeat "empty rhetoric" is with empty rhetoric, hey precurser ?

    Those clips are utterly useless.

    The childish political methods that the American government stoop to....
    Do your leaders hang with terrorist, criminals and racist Nasica?

     

    You think the government made that video?!?!  huh?

    You mean like dodging drafts, smoking pot, snorting cocaine and supporting Israel at all costs?

    No matter which way you add it up. Obama is SIGNIFCANTLY less criminal than GWB ever was, or will be for that matter.

     

     

    And I suppose you have links to all these "facts" too? And you didn't answer the question either.

  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546

    Originally posted by Nasica


     
    Originally posted by Vemoi

    Originally posted by Nasica


     
    Originally posted by Vemoi


     
    Originally posted by Nasica


    The best way to defeat "empty rhetoric" is with empty rhetoric, hey precurser ?

    Those clips are utterly useless.

    The childish political methods that the American government stoop to....
    Do your leaders hang with terrorist, criminals and racist Nasica?

     

    You think the government made that video?!?!  huh?

    You mean like dodging drafts, smoking pot, snorting cocaine and supporting Israel at all costs?

    No matter which way you add it up. Obama is SIGNIFCANTLY less criminal than GWB ever was, or will be for that matter.

     

     

    And I suppose you have links to all these "facts" too? And you didn't answer the question either.

    The first Video was made by the RNC, no idea about the second one. These are not government bodies.

     

    But, both videos mimic quite wqell the political strategy of McCain when challenging BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (GASP!!!! A Middle Name) Along with the rest of his slimey politics.

    As for my facts

    "I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried," - Bush

    Cocaine may have been a setup, who knows... but can we risk it... oh thats right im speaking past tense...

    As for criminality.

    Hes been charged with DUI and arrested for Disordely conduct... Seems Disordely Conduct is conduct become your Great President (tm).

    His support of Israel is open public knowledge.

    This stuff is desperation tactics, this was almost as bad as the liberal party distrubuting pamphlets in a marginal seat pretending to be a Islamic group thanking the labour party to allow them to build their mosque and forgiving the bali bombers... slimey, deseperate and entirely unbecoming a leader.

    I didn't see the first video. Seemed like you were talking about the purcurser video.  

    I have never seen the Bush rumours stuff but whatever, you guys are going to keep saying it over and over so no purpose in argueing because no ones minds are going to be changed. It will be like the Bush lied stuff. Meaningless.

     Obama's pal is going to prison and ya better hope that nothing comes back on Obama or he is finished.

    Israel is a staunch ally and I support them 100% also. I see nothing bad about Bush supporting them as every other administration has. Nothing like being surrounded by terrorist states that what you destroyed.

    No idea what you are talking about in last paragraph. Must be an Aussy thing.

  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546

    Originally posted by Nasica


     


    This is my point, GWB had all these 'horrible' things used against him going to power, yet you think he is a successful leader. Obama has the same thing thrown at him and you think he is bound for failure, not capable of leading and the rest... whats the difference.. his political leaning, you like republicans... so much so that you are now biased.... i understand this, i just hope you can as well
     
    As for my last paragraph, no it is most definately not an Aussy thing... it is an _AUSSIE_ thing :P

    I was just using it as an example of slimey politics (BTW after being caught practicing those slimey politics the liberals lost that seat rather convincingly)
    Aussie!....getting tired!
  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306

    Originally posted by unconformed


    obama only speaks speeches well. live performances with QnA's he's a stumbling fool like most politicians.
    so NO. is the answer.
    Not like the stammering of a guy trying to justify a war that 70% of the country disagrees with.

    What ever happened to old McCain anyway? He's going to have some tough questions to answer.

    Flip-Flop?

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925

    We all know Bush came in with little international politics experience and look at whats happening now?

    So why elect someone who is as ignorant as G.W.Bush

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ENwej0fpc

    Obama might not have much political experience and might not have been in some international commitee but when he travels he always tries to connect with the people and will certainly never make such a blunder as McCain did.

    If McCain cannot even tell who the president of Russia is then what hope is there?Surely the country with more nukes then the USA should be well known to a presidential candidate .And how does it help to insult the ex-president and now prime minster of Russia ?It only causes stupid tension.

    Even H.Clinton despite been more knowledgeable seems to have same confrontational views like McCain only to a lesser degree.

    Sad fact is unlike the Reagan times ,it does not gain support in europe to bash Russia nowadays.

    Thats a painful lesson Gordon Brown just learnt .When he started the diplomatic row with Russia ,the polls showed UK citizens cared less for this and would rather see improved relationship with Russia .Might explain why he quickly went quiet espically with his polls at a low now.

  • Par-SalianPar-Salian Member Posts: 284

    Originally posted by Ceredwynn


    If people really want change then Obama is the path of choice. If you don't want a continuation of the last couple presidential terms then why put another Clinton in the White House or McCain that will continue Bush's will.

    I'd much rather go back to the Clinton days than suffer through another term of Republican presidency.  As for Obama; I don't think he's any better than Clinton.  He's less experienced but I'll take him over McCain any day.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    We are still waiting on the video of Obama in the pew with Wright preaching his hate..

    Where going to call it,the Oct surprise.

    Brother can u spare some CHANGE.

     

    Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589
    Originally posted by frodus


    We are still waiting on the video of Obama in the pew with Wright preaching his hate..
    Where going to call it,the Oct surprise.
    Brother can u spare some CHANGE.
     

     

    Stanley has a devastating piece in the Weekly Standard, analyzing a year’s worth of the news magazine published by Reverend Jeremiah Wright: Jeremiah Wright’s ‘Trumpet’.

    To the question of the moment—What did Barack Obama know and when did he know it?—I answer, Obama knew everything, and he’s known it for ages. Far from succumbing to surprise and shock after Jeremiah Wright’s disastrous performance at the National Press Club, Barack Obama must have long been aware of his pastor’s political radicalism. A careful reading of nearly a year’s worth of Trumpet Newsmagazine, Wright’s glossy national “lifestyle magazine for the socially conscious,” makes it next to impossible to conclude otherwise.

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    Mccain has more of a chance than most people think. Here's why:

    His policies are much more moderate than most, in fact there has on multiple occasions been rumors in the past that he may switch to the Democratic party. Now, Mccain is generally despised by much of his own party for that same reason, but at the same time most Republicans are still going to choose him over one of the hardcore Dems, and retains a fairly high approval rating with the Democrats. On the flipside of the coin, Hillary is also widely disapproved of by much of her own party, but she has no equivalent following in the Republican section.

    Now Obama, is a wild card in every sense of the term. He's a fairly controversial choice for a leader for a great number of reasons, and he is also much more likely to cause lasting damage if his decisions are poor. At least with Hillary we can count on a lot of waffling. But he is advertising change, which is something a lot of people want and/or believe they want. What change and how he plans to achieve it... is a little hard to pin him down on, but I'd be willing to bet most aren't thinking about that too much.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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