Thats the lure of Blood and Boob's. I think a lot of those same kid's from WOW have grown bored and moved to AOC Its a big reason why i hate WOW by opening MMO's up to the masses it introduced these kids into our mist I cant think of a community before WOW that was so imature, you had the occasional bad apple but for the most part communities where mature and friendly.
Well I dont know what the OP is talking about. He claims he gets Flamed in AoC for saming soming in OOC chat, but what he says goes away in 1 second so how would anybody have the patience to go back and flame him. I've asked numerous questions in OOC and have yet to be flamed. If anything I doubt people even see your question to begin with. Thats the only thing i can agree with in OP on is the Chat system is HORRIBLE, but i have seen WAY WORSE. I got into WoW because it felt like EQ in a new format. And as for AoC im having a blast! Community that i have been able to talk with so far to me has been Mature or at least playing the role. So unfortunatly I believe this is just another Flame and will only make AoC better to not have the OP on our servers. Haters gonna Hate Players gonna Play.
X community is far worse than Y community or it was so much better in the old days with game B.
Fact is, I remember from my days in EQ1, my first MMORPG, there were a lot of idiots.
I am not saying EQ1 is > SWG or WoW or whatever your flavour, just that every game has its fair share of idiots.
You will find people you like or hate, its a MMORPG...
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Every new game we get this. X community is far worse than Y community or it was so much better in the old days with game B. Fact is, I remember from my days in EQ1, my first MMORPG, there were a lot of idiots. I am not saying EQ1 is > SWG or WoW or whatever your flavour, just that every game has its fair share of idiots. You will find people you like or hate, its a MMORPG...
And thats why its better play SP rpgs game;)
Every mmorpg i have played have some kind proplems, gold sellers,gangers,idiots,kids,bugs,loading times,too easy,too hard.
Buying normal RPG game u get better result. Multiplaying its just overhypet with proplems.
LOTRO was so nice during beta, then at release there flood of people saying how much better WoW was than LOTRO. It did die down, and I'm sure that it will die down in AOC.
I usally respond to people that if they like MMOx over the one they are playing, to go back to that MMO and leave those of us that want to enjoy the game in peace.
the culture realm Bane seems to have an unspoken rule about common decency and even a ton of in character innitiative. I was going to join the official rp realm but now I think I've found more atmosphere and community on Bane. The structure of a culture realm inspires RP.
I think a lot of those same kid's from WOW have grown bored and moved to AOC
PMSL! So Wow is to blame for other games bad communities now too, lol.
Have to say, they're right. The difference between the MMO community - in several ways - pre-WoW and Post-WoW is night-and-day. When people use comments like "Pre-WoW MMOs" and "Post-WoW MMO's", i'ts not just for effect, there's a distinction there that those who played MMOs pre-WoW understand immediately.
WoW opened the genre up to a whole new group of players, many (not all) of whom demonstrably never played a MMO before or even knew what one was before WoW came along. The Warcraft world/IP drew them in. What it brought with it was a group of players who are, by and large (again, not everyone) less patient, want "more", want it "now" and want it for as little effort as possible. They're often vehemently anti-grouping and want as much as possible - if not everything - to be soloable. They want to reach end-game/level cap as fast as possible, all content along the way be damned. They only care about raiding and uber loot and, generally speaking, have much bigger mouths and love using them much more than many did pre-WoW. They're often quicker to insult you for asking a question than they are to help.
Tha'ts not bashing.. that's just how it is. In my own experience of the years prior to WoW compared to the years since... that is most certainly the difference I've seen. And just to reitterate - no, it's not everyone. But it is a substantial amount.
That said, about the topic... I'm not surprised at all. As someone else said "blood and boobs" is going to be a draw to this game. Never doubted that for a second.
However... give it the first month... let those with the 30 days to burn on it get through them and then see what's left at the end of it - who sticks around and who leaves.
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then you have people like me who refuses to talk in OOC, if I see a question I can answer then I send the person a direct tell with the answer, though I'm on the verge of doing what I've done in every game I've ever played and turn OOC off, the only reason I haven't yet is because since it is a new game, I want to be able to help those who do have questions, but I figure about a week, maybe a week and a half in, I'll shut OOC off of my channels.
Harsh? Probably, but I've yet to find a game where I prefer to leave it on, whether it was EQ, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, etc, so it isn't somethign specific to AoC.
You could always come over to Bardisattva server. You'll be lucky to see ANYONE say a word in a 4 hour play period. I'm being totally serious too... not a chatty server
Maybe I'm just not adapting well, but the chat interface doesn't seem very good to me, and truthfully, I really don't even seem to notice it when I play. Every now and then I see some sort of OOC message roll by, but since its interspersed with the combat/game messages, it just rolls quickly by.
I've not really read much in the chat, and have yet to respond. I did get involved in a pretty solid battle with a couple of guys last night and at no time did anyone send any annoying tells about who pwned who.
I'm sure it will happen though, and thats half the fun, telling them to feck off. (and coming back with a high level alt and killing them.... now, if I had one of those I'd be golden)
FFA servers are tough places, and if your feelings are easily hurt because people won't talk to you, (not referring to you Mordria) or you dislike taunting and death spam messages or being killed over and over.. (must say, was startling to get killed and respawn right in front of our opponents, at about 10% health/mana.... only to go flat again... ) then go play on a PVE server, you'll be much happier.
Another good trick is to perhaps let a bit of your dark side out. (assuming you have one). I normally play a fairly nice guy in MMO's, but this time around, if its red its dead applies in every case. (well, except when I end up dead...but oh well)
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EQ1 had a good community back in the day. I think the reason was because there were mostly early adopters on the Internet, eg, geeks, 20 year old males.
These days everyone and their grandmas have Internet access.
WoW didn't change things. There's just a more diverse Internet community these days.
Usenet was great back in the day too, today it's a cesspool.
But here's more women online now though and that's good.
What it brought with it was a group of players who are, by and large (again, not everyone) less patient, want "more", want it "now" and want it for as little effort as possible. They're often vehemently anti-grouping and want as much as possible - if not everything - to be soloable. They want to reach end-game/level cap as fast as possible, all content along the way be damned. They only care about raiding and uber loot and, generally speaking, have much bigger mouths and love using them much more than many did pre-WoW. They're often quicker to insult you for asking a question than they are to help. However... give it the first month... let those with the 30 days to burn on it get through them and then see what's left at the end of it - who sticks around and who leaves.
I agree with what you're saying. WoW brought a certain type of player into the fold that previously wasn't interested in the genre, and unfortunately the average maturity level suffered. These problems seem much worse in PvP-centric games too, no doubt because of the combination of immaturity and competition. That's one big reason this isn't as bad in LOTRO.
And, like you, I'm going to wait a while to judge the community. For the first month this might as well be Guild Wars with everyone playing 'for free'.
i have to laugh at the OP... now onto buisness, the OP has actually missed his OWN argument here btw, what hes failed to say was that "hes tried all the Amrican servers in AoC" and its full of morons. That not say something? You want to play with mature people, SEEK out the UK servers at launch.
Yeah, not sure what you are talking about. My server (Zug) has been wonderful. Everyone's been helpful, I haven't seen any immaturity in the general chats, and everyone is extremely helpful. People drop what they're doing to help you out on a quest, guildy or not. But if you are hoping for answers in general chat instantly, I can see why you are having trouble. Not many people know them. The games been out for three days.
I play on Zug as well...I would imagine the community changes from server to server. But Zug seems to have a pretty decent community thus far.
I've played on a couple of servers , from pve to pvp to Rp-pvp to see how the community is. Now everyone knows how WOW community is, yeah, it is really bad yes, but it is mainly on the forums , where the full immaturity lies. In game world of warcraft community isn't good either, there are allot of immature pricks over the general chat but i must say, it isn't as bad as age of conan ING community. The problem with age of conan is that you ask a question and u get flamed, u typ something in the general chat and in one second it is gone. The server i played on world of warcraft was chromaggus, i played WOW for 6 months and after TBC 1 month. In world of warcraft, you atleast could say something in the general chat, the general chat wasn't great and lies more on the immature side but atleast, the people i met where decent, sure you have your fools but you also have the mature people. In my 12 year online gaming , i must say AOC really needs work on the social part, yes WOW has a horrible community but AOC is even worser , the general chat is full of WOW chat vs AOC chat and how my l337 pwns and all these stupid trash talk. I also get pmed by various fools who spamm me with lol lol or me pwnz you and all those stupid trash behaviour talk. Every mmo has its immature players but AOC is over the top. In AOC , mature behaviour is RARE , the majority of the servers i played on are asshats. LOTRO has a good community, EVE has, even EQ2 has better, WOW on my server had better ,daoc, UO name it because i feel AOC community really lacks something. It's a shame and it needs to be worked on! FC should do something about it if these people don't leave after a month.
Here's an idea. Shut it off.
When I was in the recent open beta I couldn't stand the non-stop nonsense. So I shut it off. Peace at last.
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Funny. I find the AOC community a lot more friendly then the WoW community. I have played on YMIR since saturday, and everyone i have talked to has been really nice. But on the otherhand, i have met a lot of egoistic people, that dont want to party or anything. And thats a shame i think. It would be a lot more fun if people would help eachother with the different quests, so you dont have to stand like 10 people on one spot, and wait for the same 4 mobs spawn so you can kill them. But just party up, so you all would get the kills at the same time, and save time. You are right about the generel chat (OOC), its goes really fast there sometimes, but usually you get the answer you are looking for.
Same here.
I play on Dagon and the community has been great so far. I havent seen any arguments or immature comments in OOC, i've played 28 hours and not had 1 problem yet. Of course im expecting to have some bad events as EVERY MMO has some fools playing.
OOC on Dagon has different periods of activeness. On the first couple of days it was v.active, however any of my questions were still getting answered either in the chat or with someone PM'ing. Now it has long periods of quietness, more so than being active. Although im expecting a change tomorrow when the game launches :P
Not to mention as the above poster states you can just turn off the OOC chat. You have to realise that for the first few days of EA and the first few days of the retail launch that the OOC is going to be extremely active - everyone will be asking questions and chatting. After a week it will die down completely.
Overall i've had a really good experience with the AoC community in early access. I'm v.active on the boards and have posted many threads which have all had mature responses
i have to laugh at the OP... now onto buisness, the OP has actually missed his OWN argument here btw, what hes failed to say was that "hes tried all the Amrican servers in AoC" and its full of morons. That not say something? You want to play with mature people, SEEK out the UK servers at launch.
Oh? Im guessing then that the US players can play on the UK servers? Cause Ive generally liked playing with those "across the pond" better... my play times are a bit screwy and Im usually up when the UK/Europe folk are online. I cant raid or anything with the European folk though... Ive pretty much been stuck on the international side in guild wars.
Also my experience has been that the European players are sometimes alot better than the US players. Not sure why that is though. Im not saying all American players are immature asshats!
Honestly, who gives a shit? Ignore the community and just play the game. Learn to ignore.
They may be asshats, but there's a lot of them and they're paying to play the game. Craploads of players = successful product = more polish and content.
Lol, comparing the two communities is impossible really. WoW you choose a side, either ALLIANCE or HORDE... You are technically on the same team... remember the chant, OR THE HORDE?
Conan we have the ability to make our own teams, talk to anyone, do almost anything... this will create a lot more friction and competition between people, especially when PvP becomes involved...
The good thing is, if someone annoys you so, you can just stalk him and kill him... cant to that in WoW at all. I used to get hella pissed at certain Horde people who would be acting like complete retards, and it was the most frustrating thing not to be able to do anything about it. in AoC you are free to be a complete ass, but you'll have to suffer the consequences if and when you are caught... this makes me very happy.
So WoW you are playing for the same nation vs. another nation, and AoC its every man/guild for himself with open PvP everywhere... which do you think is going to have more vulgarity in open chat? lol.
Atleast you can't be banned for calling someone a jackass who really deserves it. Hate to burst your bubble but the same people probably playing this game are also from WoW.
The OP is either basing his opinion on the open beta or a blatant liar.
Lol I love people that do this. So because half the people agree with him and half the people seem to think what you think, he must be lying about his own OPINION.
I know this has been discussed in this thread already but, this is the reason why Conan's lifetime won't be measured in years.
The OP is either basing his opinion on the open beta or a blatant liar.
Lol I love people that do this. So because half the people agree with him and half the people seem to think what you think, he must be lying about his own OPINION.
I know this has been discussed in this thread already but, this is the reason why Conan's lifetime won't be measured in years.
Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. Pretty much everyone who's actually playing the game disagreed with the OP.
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Well I dont know what the OP is talking about. He claims he gets Flamed in AoC for saming soming in OOC chat, but what he says goes away in 1 second so how would anybody have the patience to go back and flame him. I've asked numerous questions in OOC and have yet to be flamed. If anything I doubt people even see your question to begin with. Thats the only thing i can agree with in OP on is the Chat system is HORRIBLE, but i have seen WAY WORSE. I got into WoW because it felt like EQ in a new format. And as for AoC im having a blast! Community that i have been able to talk with so far to me has been Mature or at least playing the role. So unfortunatly I believe this is just another Flame and will only make AoC better to not have the OP on our servers. Haters gonna Hate Players gonna Play.
Every new game we get this.
X community is far worse than Y community or it was so much better in the old days with game B.
Fact is, I remember from my days in EQ1, my first MMORPG, there were a lot of idiots.
I am not saying EQ1 is > SWG or WoW or whatever your flavour, just that every game has its fair share of idiots.
You will find people you like or hate, its a MMORPG...
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Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
Every mmorpg i have played have some kind proplems, gold sellers,gangers,idiots,kids,bugs,loading times,too easy,too hard.
Buying normal RPG game u get better result. Multiplaying its just overhypet with proplems.
LOTRO was so nice during beta, then at release there flood of people saying how much better WoW was than LOTRO. It did die down, and I'm sure that it will die down in AOC.
I usally respond to people that if they like MMOx over the one they are playing, to go back to that MMO and leave those of us that want to enjoy the game in peace.
You could always come over to Bardisattva server.
You'll be lucky to see ANYONE say a word in a 4 hour play period.
I'm being totally serious too... not a chatty server
the culture realm Bane seems to have an unspoken rule about common decency and even a ton of in character innitiative. I was going to join the official rp realm but now I think I've found more atmosphere and community on Bane. The structure of a culture realm inspires RP.
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PMSL! So Wow is to blame for other games bad communities now too, lol.
Have to say, they're right. The difference between the MMO community - in several ways - pre-WoW and Post-WoW is night-and-day. When people use comments like "Pre-WoW MMOs" and "Post-WoW MMO's", i'ts not just for effect, there's a distinction there that those who played MMOs pre-WoW understand immediately.
WoW opened the genre up to a whole new group of players, many (not all) of whom demonstrably never played a MMO before or even knew what one was before WoW came along. The Warcraft world/IP drew them in. What it brought with it was a group of players who are, by and large (again, not everyone) less patient, want "more", want it "now" and want it for as little effort as possible. They're often vehemently anti-grouping and want as much as possible - if not everything - to be soloable. They want to reach end-game/level cap as fast as possible, all content along the way be damned. They only care about raiding and uber loot and, generally speaking, have much bigger mouths and love using them much more than many did pre-WoW. They're often quicker to insult you for asking a question than they are to help.
Tha'ts not bashing.. that's just how it is. In my own experience of the years prior to WoW compared to the years since... that is most certainly the difference I've seen. And just to reitterate - no, it's not everyone. But it is a substantial amount.
That said, about the topic... I'm not surprised at all. As someone else said "blood and boobs" is going to be a draw to this game. Never doubted that for a second.
However... give it the first month... let those with the 30 days to burn on it get through them and then see what's left at the end of it - who sticks around and who leaves.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
then you have people like me who refuses to talk in OOC, if I see a question I can answer then I send the person a direct tell with the answer, though I'm on the verge of doing what I've done in every game I've ever played and turn OOC off, the only reason I haven't yet is because since it is a new game, I want to be able to help those who do have questions, but I figure about a week, maybe a week and a half in, I'll shut OOC off of my channels.
Harsh? Probably, but I've yet to find a game where I prefer to leave it on, whether it was EQ, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, etc, so it isn't somethign specific to AoC.
Maybe I'm just not adapting well, but the chat interface doesn't seem very good to me, and truthfully, I really don't even seem to notice it when I play. Every now and then I see some sort of OOC message roll by, but since its interspersed with the combat/game messages, it just rolls quickly by.
I've not really read much in the chat, and have yet to respond. I did get involved in a pretty solid battle with a couple of guys last night and at no time did anyone send any annoying tells about who pwned who.
I'm sure it will happen though, and thats half the fun, telling them to feck off. (and coming back with a high level alt and killing them.... now, if I had one of those I'd be golden)
FFA servers are tough places, and if your feelings are easily hurt because people won't talk to you, (not referring to you Mordria) or you dislike taunting and death spam messages or being killed over and over.. (must say, was startling to get killed and respawn right in front of our opponents, at about 10% health/mana.... only to go flat again... ) then go play on a PVE server, you'll be much happier.
Another good trick is to perhaps let a bit of your dark side out. (assuming you have one). I normally play a fairly nice guy in MMO's, but this time around, if its red its dead applies in every case. (well, except when I end up dead...but oh well)
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EQ1 had a good community back in the day. I think the reason was because there were mostly early adopters on the Internet, eg, geeks, 20 year old males.
These days everyone and their grandmas have Internet access.
WoW didn't change things. There's just a more diverse Internet community these days.
Usenet was great back in the day too, today it's a cesspool.
But here's more women online now though and that's good.
I agree with what you're saying. WoW brought a certain type of player into the fold that previously wasn't interested in the genre, and unfortunately the average maturity level suffered. These problems seem much worse in PvP-centric games too, no doubt because of the combination of immaturity and competition. That's one big reason this isn't as bad in LOTRO.
And, like you, I'm going to wait a while to judge the community. For the first month this might as well be Guild Wars with everyone playing 'for free'.
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Here's an idea. Shut it off.
When I was in the recent open beta I couldn't stand the non-stop nonsense. So I shut it off. Peace at last.
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Same here.
I play on Dagon and the community has been great so far. I havent seen any arguments or immature comments in OOC, i've played 28 hours and not had 1 problem yet. Of course im expecting to have some bad events as EVERY MMO has some fools playing.
OOC on Dagon has different periods of activeness. On the first couple of days it was v.active, however any of my questions were still getting answered either in the chat or with someone PM'ing. Now it has long periods of quietness, more so than being active. Although im expecting a change tomorrow when the game launches :P
Not to mention as the above poster states you can just turn off the OOC chat. You have to realise that for the first few days of EA and the first few days of the retail launch that the OOC is going to be extremely active - everyone will be asking questions and chatting. After a week it will die down completely.
Overall i've had a really good experience with the AoC community in early access. I'm v.active on the boards and have posted many threads which have all had mature responses
Oh? Im guessing then that the US players can play on the UK servers? Cause Ive generally liked playing with those "across the pond" better... my play times are a bit screwy and Im usually up when the UK/Europe folk are online.
I cant raid or anything with the European folk though... Ive pretty much been stuck on the international side in guild wars.
Also my experience has been that the European players are sometimes alot better than the US players. Not sure why that is though. Im not saying all American players are immature asshats!
Honestly, who gives a shit? Ignore the community and just play the game. Learn to ignore.
They may be asshats, but there's a lot of them and they're paying to play the game. Craploads of players = successful product = more polish and content.
Not to mention that Funcom seems to endorse such behaviour.
Lol, comparing the two communities is impossible really. WoW you choose a side, either ALLIANCE or HORDE... You are technically on the same team... remember the chant, OR THE HORDE?
Conan we have the ability to make our own teams, talk to anyone, do almost anything... this will create a lot more friction and competition between people, especially when PvP becomes involved...
The good thing is, if someone annoys you so, you can just stalk him and kill him... cant to that in WoW at all. I used to get hella pissed at certain Horde people who would be acting like complete retards, and it was the most frustrating thing not to be able to do anything about it. in AoC you are free to be a complete ass, but you'll have to suffer the consequences if and when you are caught... this makes me very happy.
So WoW you are playing for the same nation vs. another nation, and AoC its every man/guild for himself with open PvP everywhere... which do you think is going to have more vulgarity in open chat? lol.
OP, stop your crying.
Atleast you can't be banned for calling someone a jackass who really deserves it. Hate to burst your bubble but the same people probably playing this game are also from WoW.
I call BS on this one. Heck I even made a PK alt on Bluesteel who just runs around ganking, and I still haven't seen any trash talk.
The OP is either basing his opinion on the open beta or a blatant liar.
I know this has been discussed in this thread already but, this is the reason why Conan's lifetime won't be measured in years.
I know this has been discussed in this thread already but, this is the reason why Conan's lifetime won't be measured in years.
Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. Pretty much everyone who's actually playing the game disagreed with the OP.
Of course you could just be a troll.