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Wrender
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If you have only played WoW please stay off this forum cause you're ruining it with your incessant posts. Not all games are like WoW. Hell not any are actually. If the "zones" you all are refferring to are like EQ2 then sign me up!!!! A seamless world is all well and good but by no means "nessassary"!
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Good point.
You do realize that Blizzard didn't do anything on their own. World of Warcraft is just like all other games. Blizzard stole ideas from LOTR, Warhammer, Anarachy Online and Dungeons and Dragons. All they changed was limiting the requirements so that even the poorest of the poor could afford too play the game by not needing too upgrade their PC. Then changing the difficulty of the game so no matter howdumbtarded stupid you are, you can still wake up and even if you can't dress yourself, you can play WoW. Look at EQ, that game took a lot more skill too play. Every race had a sub race and there were sub classes and attributes. In WoW, everything is set and done for you. Every priest in the game essentially is the same. The only difference is the gear. The game is soo easy it's incredible. That's why 80% of the WoW population is either dumb 12yr olds or retarded 40yr olds who dropped out of highschool and work for Wal-Mart. It was meant too be simply and easy. It's an item grind type of game, since the PVP is terrible, all you do is log on and grind for items.
It would be better if nobody ever compares a game too WoW... why not chose a game that's actually good? Like comparing AoC to EQ. Comparing AoC too WoW is dumb, since WoW is a horrible game. It's also just a combination of other games. All blizzard did was take ideas for other successful games and combine it all into one. Although they failed and could only get a couple ideas too work. But the game is ok, not amazing, but ok.
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If you only eat cheddar cheese please stay off this forum. You're not 1337 like me and have no idea as to what you speak... nooB! Being as such you've no mind or opinion worthy of spit... so SILENCE!!! You only hurt my feelings and self image if you dont like the way my new favorite food taste. You are all fools if you dont agree with me!!!
Alright well now... as for EQ2 instants, WoW, and AoC I don't really care, as I don't play any of them. For my own good reasons of course. But if anyone else has anything to say about them feel free to do so. I'm not one to bring down the hammer of silencing upon anyone. Hell I may actually try to understand what your gripe is about.
WoW has 8mil+ subscribers.
Blizzard 1 You 0
Seriously. J.R.R. Tolkien got ideas from R.E.H. Read up on it, he was the pioneer.
I am a huge fan of the game and have a background of DaoC, SWG, CoH/CoV, WoW & EQ2 but still I can understand the zone issue.
It does take something away from the immersion that you cant just travel from place to place but have to click on a NPC and then see a loading screen. It makes it difficult to feel like you are a person in a world adventuring.
In the long run of course it makes little difference because you have teleportation and fast travel in other games that have exactly the same effect but still there is something psychological bad about closed zones (unless they make sense like in CoV where each zone is an island in the Bahamas).
But I do understand why it was necessary to use zones like these. It wouldnt be possible to make such a beautiful game without them and they do have some advantages too like you can avoid people camping a spawn point by jumping instance.
"You are the hero our legends have foretold will save our tribe, therefore please go kill 10 pigs."
That's where a lot of people are getting confused over this.
Its nothing like EQ2 zones. In EQ2 you can support 350 people in one zone. In AoC it can only support 48 people.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
were not going to start arguing about what game started the fantasy genre are we........
Dude, what he's saying is: don't compare apples to oranges. WoW is the flavor of the day but by no means the only 'right' way to make an MMO.
It's actually 10+ mil, but according to most WoW-haters, only the subs in North America who can afford a $2000+ gaming rig to play other "next gen" MMOs count.
Where do you have this number from? The only time I have seen the 48 number is in the number of people each side can bring into a siege (which btw takes place in zones that cannot be instanced).
Are people confusing info?
"You are the hero our legends have foretold will save our tribe, therefore please go kill 10 pigs."
Just out of curiousity. How do you figure Blizzard stole ideas from the games that you mentioned? LoTR and DDO didn't come out until, what, 1 and a half to 2 years after WoW, and Warhammer isn't even released yet. Yes, they stole the IP from Warhammer, but how do you steal ideas from a game that isn't even released.
About AO, what exactly did they "steal" from them? Or should I say, what did they "steal" that AO didn't "steal" from say EQ or UO?
Centhan, I'm sure he was referring to the ideas taken from the LOTR books and the ideas from the basic board game of DOD.
and if you don't think AoC borrowed ideas from WoW, you're kidding yourself. The games are pretty comparable.
End game, the focus is different, but you're kidding yourself if you think AoC is radically different than WoW.
Also, i have no issues with zones, I have an issue with the lack of zones. well after level 40 anyway, before 40 it's fine.
jesus christ eveverythignt akes ideas from soemthing, thats the way the world works. jesus all games movies stories etc etc etc, take form somewhere. ideas can be taken and interperted differently like every single bloody game ever made, and story and movie. jesus christ who the hell cares if its an orc or an elf. because lotro sucks so does ddo. So warcrfat uses elves and oprcs, who the hell bloody cares, as long as its a good damn game. I wouldnt care if they used bloody pigs as cpcs or characters as long as the game was good.
And also whoever said WOw was carebear is a damn joker, compared to aoc its l0ooks godly. Questing is handed to you on a plate, pvp is just gankign so much for all the whiners complaining about wows pvp servers being just ganking.
Aoc is more carebear than wow ever was and will be, atleast when wow started up even in the forst month there were huge world pvp raids on cities and towns all over the world. The fact Aoc is all damn instanced your makes a mocekry of all the world pvp. The only world pvp is ganking lol.. Heaven only knows what the Epic 48 v 48 lol sieges will be like, next gen mmo wow killing pvp game my arse.
The thing is (and i'm not a 12 yo kid, i'm not a wow fanboy, i'm not an AoC hater, so don't even try to counter my arguments with stupid insults) :
Zoning in AoC is really anoying ! Please someone explain me how can this be fun ? I mean, the gameplay will eventually suffers from it.
What about PvP ? You can't even chase someone around without the possibility of him using an easy escape trick... the zoning...
That's true though that the 48 people that guy was referring to is the clan battle and is slightly different... But even there, it's an other point that need to be discussed ! I thought i heard from devs that clan battle would be EPICS...
I don't see how 48 vs 48 will be epic... :
1) Lineage II as much better that this with castle siege.
2) It's almost similar to WoW AV Battleground.
3) Even Eve Online can bring more epic battles in space.
But anyway, this is another matter of discussion...
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That's where a lot of people are getting confused over this.
Its nothing like EQ2 zones. In EQ2 you can support 350 people in one zone. In AoC it can only support 48 people.
Do you have any life at all besides sitting in mom & dads basement eating paste and trolling the AoC forums giving it bad hype all the time?Another professional troller with NO life.. get off your ass and get a job or something.
if you think im trolling because im giving factual information about a video game then you really need to use that internet of yours and look up the definition of trolling.If you dont like what I have to say then ignore me. Im sure you are a big boy right?
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I don't care if a game takes ideas from any other game.
I don't care if a game resembles any other game in some way.
If Game A is more fun than Game B, I will play Game A. That's all that matters to me.
I suggest you play a few mmo's before making inaccurate statements.
So whether you believe him or not, he was NOT referring to the 48 vs 48 battles but the maximum amount of players allowed in each instance of each zone.
Where do you have this number from? The only time I have seen the 48 number is in the number of people each side can bring into a siege (which btw takes place in zones that cannot be instanced).
Are people confusing info?
if you have access to the offical forums its everywhere and people are sorta pissed by it. Just do a forum search,Here's one of em
forums-us.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Where do you have this number from? The only time I have seen the 48 number is in the number of people each side can bring into a siege (which btw takes place in zones that cannot be instanced).
Are people confusing info?
if you have access to the offical forums its everywhere and people are sorta pissed by it. Just do a forum search,Here's one of em
forums-us.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
Well that kind of explains why they restricted even forum viewing privileges to people who already bought the box.
Well that kind of explains why they restricted even forum viewing privileges to people who already bought the box.jy88902
Here's another thing you can do (if you have the game)
Go to a post 20 lvl zone and ask everyone to instanced to the beta instance and meet you all in one particular spot. Thats another way to tell how many people a zone can hold. We did this yesterday. Kinda confirmed our suspicions.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
48 players max per instance per zone might have done it.
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