So this is AoC's idea of PVP? Threats of bans from a GM (with bad grammar) for killing players?
hmm...
Seems like the Report may have been griefing, If people are spawn camping another player for 30 mins to an hour... thats kinda lame.
True yes it's a PvP server... Anf that rule set is somewhat unfair and abit tiresome after a while, especialy if your running solo and/or in a small guild.
I Think the GM was just trying to get the guys to back off a bit, as we do not see all the details in those screenies.
Either way, Game CO's need to make a design element to help reduce these problems, Yeah it's easy to say tuff it's a PvP server, but then again I hardly think it's fair if lets say 3-5 lvl 30's are ganking one lvl 20ish player.
easy solution is to add immunitiy for a minute or 2 for fresh zoning. Have a lvl CAP for PVP, can only attack others that are in a +/- 3 range of your charachter. Or even a different PvP server rule set server with those implamented.
Either Way if a GM is asking players to back off on a PvP server... they musta been ganken that dude for a long time
like you said pvp server not carebears server, GM should had shutup and ban the carebears not the gankers!!!
Since this according to many fanbois is the ultimate Guild vs Guild game out there, join a guild and get them to help? I m not sure why they haven t made this a priority to be fixed.
If that's true, that's pathetic. I'm sorry. Players are more than capable of defending themselves, and if they're not, they're more than capable of going to a PvE server. As ALL the PvPers have said OVER AND OVER. Funcom being your mommy? No thanks.
I haven't got spawn camped "yet" but funcom should do what EQ2 had to do. Give a 30 second immunity upon zoning into a new zone.
To Ascension08: Players are NOT able to defend themselves when zoning into a new area. Theres a good 3-5 second gap from when you have control over your character after you zone,,,which means,,,people can see your character 3-5 seconds before you complete the zoning process. So,,,,ITS AN EXPLOIT PEOPLE ARE USING WHEN ZONE CAMPING OTHERS. One cant defend themselves If their basically paralyzed long enough to get themselves killed or nearly killed without having the chance of doing anything.
THIS IS FUNCOMS PROBLEM THOUGH. PLAYERS WHO LOVE TO GRIEF ARE JUST USING THIS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE. But, I'd never waste my time doing this simply because I'm not a child. It's pointless to me to kill those that cant even fight back. That's not pvp, it's griefing. Although, thers many kids out there who love to grief more than fighting a fair fight. And when they actually lose, they're the first ones crying on the boards for a nerf of the class that killed them fairly simply because they suck at true pvp and all they can do is grief people,,,
Right, I for one am one of those people who, if running by, sees someone killing a character's avatar and that avatar is doing nothing to fight back because he's zoning, I'll go kill the attacker. Or if I can't, I'll get a few people to help. But yeah that's just me. Leave it up to the players or put in some rules, but if the company has to take it into their own personal hands, that's not a good design.
I agree 100% If the design is flawed, then funcom should correct the issue and not ban ppl for taking advantage of a cheap feature which shouldn't be in the game.
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
U dont really get what happened. These ppl kept killing the spawn camper that killed their lowbies. And the lamer reported them. Sure im not in anyone's side , but if u kill a camper a few times is fine. KOS or not its a bit harassing killing someone for an hour...
I m not disagreeing to a point. It s lame sure but the system allows it to happen. It won t stop no matter how many times some GM says stop. They need to internally change the system so it doesn t happen. No one that likes ganking cares if it s harassing, so they ll continue to do it. FFA pvp always has this issue in some facet or another.
I didn't realize release-pvp was expected to be anything other than garbage?
I didn't realize we're all princes princesses kings and queens, I didn't realize we get everything perfect upon request.
What I'm saying is, every mmo I've ever played around release time, has sucked something fierce in all of the 'later' game stages, including PVP.
I say 'later' game stages because most games Release with PVP focus at later levels, as in... WoW didn't start doing super-low level pvp untill how far into it's life? No I don't mean open random 'i jacked you' pvp.
And if you're talking about open PVP at lower-mid levels, the game is ... how old? And it takes a game about how long for the players to start creating their own pseudo-structures involving pvp? Let's give AoC roughly the same amount of time. Then we'll start throwing flaming bags of doggy-biscuits.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
I dunno if this is the OP's on experience, but whoever it was DESERVED to be banned. A game is NEVER supposed to make a sport of continually ganking the same people OVER AND OVER. That not PVP or game that just sociopathic. If he does not realize it, he should not play PVP at all. There is a difference between a war-GAME which is STILL a GAME not real WAR, and cold blood murder, especially repeated, psychopathic mass murder. A PVP game is a reflection of competitive sports not insane aggression. Its like in many solo games where people are said, they can play evil roles and they are dissappointed because they dont know the difference between evil and insanity.
Palpatine or Vader or whatever archetypical evil guy also didnt run around killing people at RANDOM.
I am just surprised Funcom is SURPRISED about it. They brought it in THEMSELVES with all their ruckus about WAR and GORE and evil killing and whatnot. You get what you call for.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Everyone who is whining about spawncamping and how wrong the campers actions are is a pansy. What is the big deal about people spawn camping someone? Oh it is so rude and mean and blah blah blah. Who cares? If you're playing on a PvP server, expect to get ganked and killed often. The easiest way to deal with it is either kill them or stop letting them kill you whether that means going to a different area or just stepping away from your pc for a while. I know, god forbid you step away from the game. If you can't handle getting killed by other people then A PVP SERVER IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR YOU.
ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
Everyone who is whining about spawncamping and how wrong the campers actions are is a pansy. What is the big deal about people spawn camping someone? Oh it is so rude and mean and blah blah blah. Who cares? If you're playing on a PvP server, expect to get ganked and killed often. The easiest way to deal with it is either kill them or stop letting them kill you whether that means going to a different area or just stepping away from your pc for a while. I know, god forbid you step away from the game. If you can't handle getting killed by other people then A PVP SERVER IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR YOU.
ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
Sounds like someone had a rough childhood. You know I have a defenseless puppy in my backyard atm. I can put a PvP sign up if you want to stop her head in! I agree that people should expect trouble on PvP servers, but zone-in and spawn camping is just lame. That is like, well, going in my backyard and stomping on a defenseless puppy.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
So this is AoC's idea of PVP? Threats of bans from a GM (with bad grammar) for killing players?
hmm...
This is very interesting, thank you for sharing this.
It's called griefing, every game has different levels inwhich they moderate griefing.
Ultima Online for example, considered griefing also to include if you opened a gate/portal and told someone it was to another town, they enter, find out it's to a demon room and die, then they'd complain, a gm would show up and grill you for griefing other players, and mark your account.
Corpse Camping is considered griefing in most pve/pvp mix games, even in open pvp areas on pvp servers, corpse camping is enough to make someone quit, and anything that directly will lead someone down the path of considering quitting, is enough to get a GM involved.
It's standard rules, if it makes someone cry, be sure a GM will come knocking. Nothing new here.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
If that's true, that's pathetic. I'm sorry. Players are more than capable of defending themselves, and if they're not, they're more than capable of going to a PvE server. As ALL the PvPers have said OVER AND OVER. Funcom being your mommy? No thanks.
I just can't believe you spawn campers!!!
What do you get from it? The pleasure of ganking someone that is still suffering rez sickness? What skill is in that??
You try to justify you existance by saying it's a PVP server...if they dont like it go to a PvE server. Aye...it is a PvP server but that doesnt justify ganking...actually I pitty people like gankers that have nothing better to do than to grief people. ..it's sad really O.o
I used to admin a BF1942/DC/FH server. We had full FFA with Friendly fire turned off (you could kill your own mates). We used to have people like this come onto the and spawn camp, team kill and just grief in general. They would recieve 1 warning, if they continued they were banned.
NO, In case you're wondering...we always had a full server and our clan competed in the Forgoten Hope challenges.
There is a difference between the realism of FFA PvP and someone that just ganks because they can.
The funny thing is I agree with you. It's pathetic. But I also occasionally enjoy the feeling of just killing someone so fast they don't know what hit them. Though I'd rather team with 5 others and then just steamroll someone But I also believe that if they pay for the game, they should enjoy PvP how they want to. And one must wonder, if all the fodder leaves, then only the spawn campers will be left. What will they do? Camp each other? Let them have fun. As I said before, Funcom either needs to put in some rules or let the players handle it themselves. NOT mommy the victims.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
PVP is an experience and it should remain fun. There's a difference from fighting and beating your opponent a few times and griefing him just for the fun of it. You don't want to ruin the fun of someone else but at the same time, you don't want to show any mercy.
Everyone who is whining about spawncamping and how wrong the campers actions are is a pansy. What is the big deal about people spawn camping someone? Oh it is so rude and mean and blah blah blah. Who cares? If you're playing on a PvP server, expect to get ganked and killed often. The easiest way to deal with it is either kill them or stop letting them kill you whether that means going to a different area or just stepping away from your pc for a while. I know, god forbid you step away from the game. If you can't handle getting killed by other people then A PVP SERVER IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR YOU.
ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
Why dont you log into Defiance freeshard, UOR, and meet me ingame. Played UO since -97 and youre no PvPer, youre a lame wannabe. Reskilling isnt PvP, its griefing.
1. Question then... so in AoC, you can sit next to a rez spot and kill somebody as soon as the rez? Most games will have some long timer where you are invulnerable and can run away, or maybe rez you in an area where you can't be hit, or maybe rez in a town with guards or something....
If rez-killing is even possible, then it's a game-design flaw.
2. Why is griefing always considered an act that destroys fun and is done only by kids? I'm 40+, and enjoy killing other players to the point they get mad and angry about it. That's the point. And on the flip side, I enjoyed getting beat up on, and having some kind of obstacle (some evil human players in the area) that made the game somewhat challenging. I mean, these games are all so retarded and easy to begin with, what's wrong with people enjoying a little more challenge? I love the challenge of having PKers around, and will of course do my part to make other players have a harder time doing whatever they are wanting to do... just doing my part.
When did the collection of texturized polygons become a bigger deal than destroying your enemies and making allies in the process?
So this is AoC's idea of PVP? Threats of bans from a GM (with bad grammar) for killing players?
hmm...
Again another idiot confusing ganking/spawn camping/zone camping with actual PVP. Surprising how many people still can't tell the difference between the two after years of MMORPGS.
I find them mostly people who don't get accepted in PVP groups later on or can't cut it vs similar levels. Breaks my heart.
Everyone who is whining about spawncamping and how wrong the campers actions are is a pansy. What is the big deal about people spawn camping someone? Oh it is so rude and mean and blah blah blah. Who cares? If you're playing on a PvP server, expect to get ganked and killed often. The easiest way to deal with it is either kill them or stop letting them kill you whether that means going to a different area or just stepping away from your pc for a while. I know, god forbid you step away from the game. If you can't handle getting killed by other people then A PVP SERVER IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR YOU.
ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
Sounds like someone had a rough childhood. You know I have a defenseless puppy in my backyard atm. I can put a PvP sign up if you want to stop her head in! I agree that people should expect trouble on PvP servers, but zone-in and spawn camping is just lame. That is like, well, going in my backyard and stomping on a defenseless puppy.
Cheers!
sweet analogy. I, personally, live in an area that is strictly PvM so I couldnt stomp my puppy even if I wanted to. I never said that it isn't lame. I said it was a hazard of playing on a pvp server so people should quit their BAWWing about it.
SPAWN CAMPING IS DONE ON PVP SERVERS. if you dont want it to happen dont play on one. WoW is the ebst selling MMO of all time, millions of subscribers. And you know what, there is no timer on killing. And everyone gets slaughtered on pvp servers. lvl 70's kill lvl 1+ anytime they get a chance to. Thats a pvper server. Go play on the wimp pve server if you dont like it. Thats all there is to it. You guys cry and cry and cry over something that was designed that way. A pvp server is designed for people to kill each other whenever they want as much as they want. You die, they camp you. If you have the nerve to rez again you deserve to die again. Thats how a pvp server roles. Gtfo if you dont like it.
sweet analogy. I, personally, live in an area that is strictly PvM so I couldnt stomp my puppy even if I wanted to. I never said that it isn't lame. I said it was a hazard of playing on a pvp server so people should quit their BAWWing about it.
Ah well, then yea, I agree with ya mate. I understand if you don't like it and then roll on a PVE server, but to stay on the PvP server and complain is lame as well. Maybe some people just like to play the victim then eh? I will illustrate below:
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MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
I don't like when players camp others over and over, but this is something Funcom could address very easy.
In World of Warcraft, before you select the server you are going to play in, there is a description of what a PvP server is about. WoW has been in the market for years and players understand from the beginning that playing on a PvP server has its drawbacks. And if they didn't read, they will learn sooner or later.
It takes a game a while for the players to come to a silent understanding for the most part. Spawn camping will always continue but at a much lower rate. As the game matures into it's full self, whether with fixes, added content, etc. I think so does the player-base. Things start to become common sense, other things get slammed by everybody. A world has a way of working itself out.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
It takes a game a while for the players to come to a silent understanding for the most part. Spawn camping will always continue but at a much lower rate. As the game matures into it's full self, whether with fixes, added content, etc. I think so does the player-base. Things start to become common sense, other things get slammed by everybody. A world has a way of working itself out.
Translation: If AoC ever gives the players something better to do with their time, camping wont be such a problem.
That's pretty lame that a GM had to come threaten you... even though what you are doing is annoying.. if it's possible and a problem.. then I blame the game design. *shrug* There is no reason a GM should have to come ask someone to stop doing something. Either ban (silly in this case) or fix it on the game end.
Ganking players is lame but it's not the gankers fault for playing FFA PVP the way it's designed. It's the developers fault for not having the common sense to create mechanics to prevent respawn ganking, like a safe timer so the player who is respawning has a reasonable time limit to recoup, regroup, or flee from the PVP area.
Also any developer that allows FFA PVP without level/skill limits to prevent higher level or more powerful skilled players to gank lowbies who are too weak to defend themselves, is stupid and asking for a failed PVP system.
Ganking players is lame but it's not the gankers fault for playing FFA PVP the way it's designed. It's the developers fault for not having the common sense to create mechanics to prevent respawn ganking, like a safe timer so the player who is respawning has a reasonable time limit to recoup, regroup, or flee from the PVP area. Also any developer that allows FFA PVP without level/skill limits to prevent higher level or more powerful skilled players to gank lowbies who are too weak to defend themselves, is stupid and asking for a failed PVP system.
WoW.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
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True yes it's a PvP server... Anf that rule set is somewhat unfair and abit tiresome after a while, especialy if your running solo and/or in a small guild.
I Think the GM was just trying to get the guys to back off a bit, as we do not see all the details in those screenies.
Either way, Game CO's need to make a design element to help reduce these problems, Yeah it's easy to say tuff it's a PvP server, but then again I hardly think it's fair if lets say 3-5 lvl 30's are ganking one lvl 20ish player.
easy solution is to add immunitiy for a minute or 2 for fresh zoning. Have a lvl CAP for PVP, can only attack others that are in a +/- 3 range of your charachter. Or even a different PvP server rule set server with those implamented.
Either Way if a GM is asking players to back off on a PvP server... they musta been ganken that dude for a long time
like you said pvp server not carebears server, GM should had shutup and ban the carebears not the gankers!!!
Since this according to many fanbois is the ultimate Guild vs Guild game out there, join a guild and get them to help? I m not sure why they haven t made this a priority to be fixed.
I haven't got spawn camped "yet" but funcom should do what EQ2 had to do. Give a 30 second immunity upon zoning into a new zone.
To Ascension08: Players are NOT able to defend themselves when zoning into a new area. Theres a good 3-5 second gap from when you have control over your character after you zone,,,which means,,,people can see your character 3-5 seconds before you complete the zoning process. So,,,,ITS AN EXPLOIT PEOPLE ARE USING WHEN ZONE CAMPING OTHERS. One cant defend themselves If their basically paralyzed long enough to get themselves killed or nearly killed without having the chance of doing anything.
THIS IS FUNCOMS PROBLEM THOUGH. PLAYERS WHO LOVE TO GRIEF ARE JUST USING THIS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE. But, I'd never waste my time doing this simply because I'm not a child. It's pointless to me to kill those that cant even fight back. That's not pvp, it's griefing. Although, thers many kids out there who love to grief more than fighting a fair fight. And when they actually lose, they're the first ones crying on the boards for a nerf of the class that killed them fairly simply because they suck at true pvp and all they can do is grief people,,,
Right, I for one am one of those people who, if running by, sees someone killing a character's avatar and that avatar is doing nothing to fight back because he's zoning, I'll go kill the attacker. Or if I can't, I'll get a few people to help. But yeah that's just me. Leave it up to the players or put in some rules, but if the company has to take it into their own personal hands, that's not a good design.
I agree 100% If the design is flawed, then funcom should correct the issue and not ban ppl for taking advantage of a cheap feature which shouldn't be in the game.
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I m not disagreeing to a point. It s lame sure but the system allows it to happen. It won t stop no matter how many times some GM says stop. They need to internally change the system so it doesn t happen. No one that likes ganking cares if it s harassing, so they ll continue to do it. FFA pvp always has this issue in some facet or another.
I didn't realize release-pvp was expected to be anything other than garbage?
I didn't realize we're all princes princesses kings and queens, I didn't realize we get everything perfect upon request.
What I'm saying is, every mmo I've ever played around release time, has sucked something fierce in all of the 'later' game stages, including PVP.
I say 'later' game stages because most games Release with PVP focus at later levels, as in... WoW didn't start doing super-low level pvp untill how far into it's life? No I don't mean open random 'i jacked you' pvp.
And if you're talking about open PVP at lower-mid levels, the game is ... how old? And it takes a game about how long for the players to start creating their own pseudo-structures involving pvp? Let's give AoC roughly the same amount of time. Then we'll start throwing flaming bags of doggy-biscuits.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
I dunno if this is the OP's on experience, but whoever it was DESERVED to be banned. A game is NEVER supposed to make a sport of continually ganking the same people OVER AND OVER. That not PVP or game that just sociopathic. If he does not realize it, he should not play PVP at all. There is a difference between a war-GAME which is STILL a GAME not real WAR, and cold blood murder, especially repeated, psychopathic mass murder. A PVP game is a reflection of competitive sports not insane aggression. Its like in many solo games where people are said, they can play evil roles and they are dissappointed because they dont know the difference between evil and insanity.
Palpatine or Vader or whatever archetypical evil guy also didnt run around killing people at RANDOM.
I am just surprised Funcom is SURPRISED about it. They brought it in THEMSELVES with all their ruckus about WAR and GORE and evil killing and whatnot. You get what you call for.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
This is very interesting, thank you for sharing this.
ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
Sounds like someone had a rough childhood. You know I have a defenseless puppy in my backyard atm. I can put a PvP sign up if you want to stop her head in! I agree that people should expect trouble on PvP servers, but zone-in and spawn camping is just lame. That is like, well, going in my backyard and stomping on a defenseless puppy.Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
It's called griefing, every game has different levels inwhich they moderate griefing.This is very interesting, thank you for sharing this.
Ultima Online for example, considered griefing also to include if you opened a gate/portal and told someone it was to another town, they enter, find out it's to a demon room and die, then they'd complain, a gm would show up and grill you for griefing other players, and mark your account.
Corpse Camping is considered griefing in most pve/pvp mix games, even in open pvp areas on pvp servers, corpse camping is enough to make someone quit, and anything that directly will lead someone down the path of considering quitting, is enough to get a GM involved.
It's standard rules, if it makes someone cry, be sure a GM will come knocking. Nothing new here.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Hah, this turned me onto the game actually. It shows that zoning out to another instance to escape players ganking you is harder then contacting a GM.
What do you get from it? The pleasure of ganking someone that is still suffering rez sickness? What skill is in that??
You try to justify you existance by saying it's a PVP server...if they dont like it go to a PvE server. Aye...it is a PvP server but that doesnt justify ganking...actually I pitty people like gankers that have nothing better to do than to grief people. ..it's sad really O.o
I used to admin a BF1942/DC/FH server. We had full FFA with Friendly fire turned off (you could kill your own mates). We used to have people like this come onto the and spawn camp, team kill and just grief in general. They would recieve 1 warning, if they continued they were banned.
NO, In case you're wondering...we always had a full server and our clan competed in the Forgoten Hope challenges.
There is a difference between the realism of FFA PvP and someone that just ganks because they can.
The funny thing is I agree with you. It's pathetic. But I also occasionally enjoy the feeling of just killing someone so fast they don't know what hit them. Though I'd rather team with 5 others and then just steamroll someone
But I also believe that if they pay for the game, they should enjoy PvP how they want to. And one must wonder, if all the fodder leaves, then only the spawn campers will be left. What will they do? Camp each other? Let them have fun. As I said before, Funcom either needs to put in some rules or let the players handle it themselves. NOT mommy the victims.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
PVP is an experience and it should remain fun. There's a difference from fighting and beating your opponent a few times and griefing him just for the fun of it. You don't want to ruin the fun of someone else but at the same time, you don't want to show any mercy.
ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
Why dont you log into Defiance freeshard, UOR, and meet me ingame. Played UO since -97 and youre no PvPer, youre a lame wannabe. Reskilling isnt PvP, its griefing.
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1. Question then... so in AoC, you can sit next to a rez spot and kill somebody as soon as the rez? Most games will have some long timer where you are invulnerable and can run away, or maybe rez you in an area where you can't be hit, or maybe rez in a town with guards or something....
If rez-killing is even possible, then it's a game-design flaw.
2. Why is griefing always considered an act that destroys fun and is done only by kids? I'm 40+, and enjoy killing other players to the point they get mad and angry about it. That's the point. And on the flip side, I enjoyed getting beat up on, and having some kind of obstacle (some evil human players in the area) that made the game somewhat challenging. I mean, these games are all so retarded and easy to begin with, what's wrong with people enjoying a little more challenge? I love the challenge of having PKers around, and will of course do my part to make other players have a harder time doing whatever they are wanting to do... just doing my part.
When did the collection of texturized polygons become a bigger deal than destroying your enemies and making allies in the process?
I find them mostly people who don't get accepted in PVP groups later on or can't cut it vs similar levels. Breaks my heart.
Hope to see you in the griefer's prison asap
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ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP?? Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.
Sounds like someone had a rough childhood. You know I have a defenseless puppy in my backyard atm. I can put a PvP sign up if you want to stop her head in! I agree that people should expect trouble on PvP servers, but zone-in and spawn camping is just lame. That is like, well, going in my backyard and stomping on a defenseless puppy.Cheers!
sweet analogy. I, personally, live in an area that is strictly PvM so I couldnt stomp my puppy even if I wanted to. I never said that it isn't lame. I said it was a hazard of playing on a pvp server so people should quit their BAWWing about it.
SPAWN CAMPING IS DONE ON PVP SERVERS. if you dont want it to happen dont play on one. WoW is the ebst selling MMO of all time, millions of subscribers. And you know what, there is no timer on killing. And everyone gets slaughtered on pvp servers. lvl 70's kill lvl 1+ anytime they get a chance to. Thats a pvper server. Go play on the wimp pve server if you dont like it. Thats all there is to it. You guys cry and cry and cry over something that was designed that way. A pvp server is designed for people to kill each other whenever they want as much as they want. You die, they camp you. If you have the nerve to rez again you deserve to die again. Thats how a pvp server roles. Gtfo if you dont like it.
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I don't like when players camp others over and over, but this is something Funcom could address very easy.
In World of Warcraft, before you select the server you are going to play in, there is a description of what a PvP server is about. WoW has been in the market for years and players understand from the beginning that playing on a PvP server has its drawbacks. And if they didn't read, they will learn sooner or later.
This is ridiculous
It takes a game a while for the players to come to a silent understanding for the most part. Spawn camping will always continue but at a much lower rate. As the game matures into it's full self, whether with fixes, added content, etc. I think so does the player-base. Things start to become common sense, other things get slammed by everybody. A world has a way of working itself out.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Translation: If AoC ever gives the players something better to do with their time, camping wont be such a problem.
That's pretty lame that a GM had to come threaten you... even though what you are doing is annoying.. if it's possible and a problem.. then I blame the game design. *shrug* There is no reason a GM should have to come ask someone to stop doing something. Either ban (silly in this case) or fix it on the game end.
Ganking players is lame but it's not the gankers fault for playing FFA PVP the way it's designed. It's the developers fault for not having the common sense to create mechanics to prevent respawn ganking, like a safe timer so the player who is respawning has a reasonable time limit to recoup, regroup, or flee from the PVP area.
Also any developer that allows FFA PVP without level/skill limits to prevent higher level or more powerful skilled players to gank lowbies who are too weak to defend themselves, is stupid and asking for a failed PVP system.
WoW.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?