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After combat in AoC I am not sure I can enjoy Warhammer now...
chryses
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I am just wondering if anyone else out there like me who has been waiting for AoC as well as WAR and now wonder if Warhammer is going to be enough for them?
I am only playing AoC as it came out first but WAR has always been THE game I have wanted to play. However after the combat in Conan I don't think I can go back to cartoonish graghics waving oversized swords that just wack away until one character falls over.
AoC is not for everyone, personally I feel it has dramatically improved the genre but not revolutionised. However the combat is something special. I have never played any MMO that captures the reality like this game does. Everything from active blocking, timing, dodging, setting up fatalities and witness the realistic gore that follows, hell even my armour looks like it has been soaked in realistic blood.
This thread isn't about screaming how 'amazing' AoC is and how WAR is crap. I am a fan of both but I am interested to know if anyone feels the same.
(messed up the poll 
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Honestly, you put some blood in it and people think everything else is cartoony. That's pretty lame, I'm sorry. If you're just talking about combat mechanics, I have to assume you mean melee, because spellcasters don't really do anything different. If you don't want to go to WAR because the AoC combat mechanics are evolutionary, that's fine. WAR won't be an autoattack (then go get some coffee go to the bathroom and come back to find the enemy is dead) type of game...skills will require strategy (I know! A crazy concept.)
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Order of the White Border.
Agreed, if you like all the activities that you mentioned, then looks like AOC is the game for you. I actually don't, but then again I enjoy playing EVE.
But..I'm playing AOC atm to see if I can adapt to this new system.
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If combat in an MMO isn't as involved as AoC and it releases after AoC, then no I probably won't play it very long.
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OP has a good point, I am waiting for Warhammer as well. I can honestly say that I really like AOC, but I also like the concepts for Warhammer so i am excited to see what will happen with it. I will probably play AOC untill Warhammer comes out and see if WAR offers anything more exciting or how it ultimately does post-launch a few months. But Even though the combat system is fun in AOC I think Warhammer will also be fun to pick up and play too, just based on its concepts.
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lol, forum poll is a whee one sided isnt it lol.
Hint: you may want to make polls a little more neutral if you want people to take you seriously with it
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Here.. I fixed it for you
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I can say i will definately play WAR still as i don t like AOC in the least. That said combat alone doesn t make a game so i can see why people would like this game. Now in WAR theres no cap on Open RVR thats great. PVE has some great innovations. Less zoning, thank god, it goes on and on. Oh and they re releasing when it s ready. Oo concept there.
This is a troll, because of;
1) The title is very misleading to the content of the post. The topic suggests something very opinionated and hotly debated to gain attention. While the content suggest some sort of faked neutrality.
2)The poll is extremely one sided. It doesn't give an inch to the folk that are anxiously awaiting Warhammer.
3)The entire post and poll assumes that the OP knows anything about Warhammer mechanics, or game design. Which he apparently does not.
4)The OP states opinions as fact.
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Maybe you should just not post, if you dont have something constructive to say about this thread? I dont think this is a troll thread, sorry. Just because he is not bashing AOC, You dont know anything about Warhammer mechanics either btw, its still in beta, everything can change. Poll is messed up which he admited and Enigma has fixed since then, OP doesnt state opinions as fact, you assume he does. The title is not misleading either, obiously someone needs a time out.
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When you guys see WAR - man will people be disappointed!
The forums will run rampant with hatred. It is such a WoW rip off. The graphics are somehow in the year 2008 even worse than WoW's as well.
Don't come talking about how the combat works differently or the PvP either. It is almost exactly the same.
(insert fanbois list of different mechanics.)
It plays the same. Looks worse and will be a major disappointment. Mark my post. I'll be back...
That i can assure you , you re wrong when it comes to me. I know first hand thats all i ll say
I really hope it doesnt have the same problem AOC is having now. Imagine the surge of people complaining about Warhammer just because it has the same style look wise as WoW lol. I bet after the dust settles though everyone will realize its a different game and try it out.
Their are people that like AoC and people who don't. I like the game but there are aspects of it that I don't like. I do like the combat, you feel like you have more control over your character which is always good. I haven't played a magic user because I have so much fun with the Melee combat.
I think Conan is a breakout game, now that they have change the way combat is done in a game and they show it works, you're going to see more games come out like this. It just takes one game to show something unique then it won't be unique for long. Look at auction houses, since Blizzard put auction houses in WoW, almost every game has an auction house. I'm looking forward to seeing all the MMO 2.0's that are going to come out.
I really hope it doesnt have the same problem AOC is having now. Imagine the surge of people complaining about Warhammer just because it has the same style look wise as WoW lol. I bet after the dust settles though everyone will realize its a different game and try it out.
Unfortunately I wouldn't count on it. People are so stuck on the, 'it looks like WoW lol' thing that it's doubtful they'll look past it.
The funny thing is it's more like DAoC than WoW. Not to mention the fact that Warhammer was around probably 15 years before Warcraft.
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I really hope it doesnt have the same problem AOC is having now. Imagine the surge of people complaining about Warhammer just because it has the same style look wise as WoW lol. I bet after the dust settles though everyone will realize its a different game and try it out.
Unfortunately I wouldn't count on it. People are so stuck on the, 'it looks like WoW lol' thing that it's doubtful they'll look past it.
The funny thing is it's more like DAoC than WoW. Not to mention the fact that Warhammer was around probably 15 years before Warcraft.
Someone mentioned casters, yes casters need some serious love, they were also overpowered during the beta if I remember right and melees didn't stand a chance.... Oh looks like they haven't figured out the right balance, even 2 weeks after launch.. That's like so unheard of!
Strategy and auto-attack have nothing to do with each other. FFXI has auto attack, auto-face and macros and TONS of strategy. Does AoC lack a reason for strategy? Sure does and I hope I see improvements over the next 8 months or so.
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Yeah, AoC combat in the released game really makes WAR beta combat look unfinished.
In case you couldn't tell I think it's a bit early to start comparing the two.
Combat is only one aspect of the game... And your decision is based on many areas of the game.
So I dont see the problem.
For example I know I will play WAR for sure. No matter who and how ppl will describe it, bad or good. I just love Warhammer world, I grown up with it, so its a must for me to play this game and cannot wait it. Combat system is not thing I will decide about game. Climate, overall gameplay are more important.
Yes because pressing 1,2,3 over and over again is so groundbreaking lol
Cartoony graphics are the way to go. I love games with mind blowing graphics, but alot of computers just can't handle them. WoW was so successful because it can run on almost any piece of crap. Now I don't believe WAR will go as far into the comic book style graphics as WoW did. But they'll keep them low level. I don't think you can compare AoC to WAR, WAR is more focused on killing the beast that is World of Warcraft, then they are competing with AoC. AoC just with the high-end graphics alone it won't become extremely successful. Mid-level graphics that can run on average computers +, RvR pvp based game +(PvP based mmo's appeal to the FP/Unreal Tourny type players more then you might think) Simple game play +(appealing to avg. game player). AoC is for more of the serious mmo'er, while WAR is trying to break WoW's monopoly. Both look like good games, AoC will improve over-time, and WAR I believe will be more polished comming out of development(it should be...).
More groundbreaking than the auto attack that is WoW and other MMO's, at least you can dodge, and when running away you don't have mobs punching you from 20 feet away or spells and arrows acting like homing missles on you.
Fighting and other games on the Xbox and other Consoles isn't that ground breaking either, press X, A, Y or B...if you really think about it. The whole idea about combat in a good MMO is control and even though you don't have total control in AoC its a step in the right direction and its more than other developers have done. Now as more games come out they'll try and build upon what is AoC's way of combat and make it better. After this next wave of click autoattack mmo's come out we probably (hopefully) won't see anymore.
The thing is people will always complain, and honestly, if the strongest argument against WAR is that it's a WoW clone, that's pretty sad. Since how many people have called other games WoW clones too? WAR is smart because they're taking something familiar...something almost all of us know...and improving on it. If you're so jaded at WoW that you can't see the differences, stay in AoC by all means. For those who will try at least, I think (and hope hehe) that we'll all be pleasantly surprised. The only real connection I see between WAR and WoW is the UI. And no I'm not in beta (I wish) but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
I agree that if Conan would have gone more cartoony or even more like Rohan, or Archlord which had good graphics but not as high quality as AoC it may have been more popular. I'd rather play a game that has decent graphics and can play on my 2 year old computer than a game that has mind blowing graphics and I have to buy a new computer. I mean their are a few people who buy the bleeding edge computers, but its only a sliver compaired to the people who keep computers for 2-4 years before they buy a new one so gaming companies have to not alienate the majority trying to please the minority.
On the other hand I can play AoC on my computer, but I play it on low and on 1024X768 which still looks ok. I just think they should have made it so you could make the UI smaller because running at 1024X768 even on my 22in monitor the buttons are pretty big.
The thing is people will always complain, and honestly, if the strongest argument against WAR is that it's a WoW clone, that's pretty sad. Since how many people have called other games WoW clones too? WAR is smart because they're taking something familiar...something almost all of us know...and improving on it. If you're so jaded at WoW that you can't see the differences, stay in AoC by all means. For those who will try at least, I think (and hope hehe) that we'll all be pleasantly surprised. The only real connection I see between WAR and WoW is the UI. And no I'm not in beta (I wish) but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about
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I'm not saying at all WAR is just a WoW clone, just that WAR has WoW in its crosshair. Only comparison is WAR is taking some pointers as far as appealing to the mass gaming community. I think WoW is a great game, I'm excitied about WAR, and AoC is in a great direction. I can see the differences clearly. Just because the dev's in there little videos remind us its not another WoW clone(which is what there fan base wants to hear) doesn't mean there wont be alot of similarities. In the end I think WAR Devs have good enough talent to twist the similarities and really make a unique appearing game from WoW.