Nice point Jessics and that is what I think people seem to want these days, a fast-food type mmo. As for me I want atmospere. I want awesome views and hidden paths to explore. I want great sound and epic battles. If in such an enviroment you find something lacking then try roleplaying. An mmo gives you a world to play in and adventure and if you rush through it you might miss the point, as Bruce Lee once said, "Don't stare at the finger or you miss all that heavenly glory"
Sorry, cant agree with that. LOTRO affected WOW, all major releases will do. But thats natural, especially in the first period of release. WOW will stand the test of time and the lich king will affect all the other games ofr a time.
Not to the degree AoC has...entire guilds have left WoW for AoC and they aren't coming back..they may go to WAR, but they will not be back as a guild to WoW. And honestly the positive buzz around WAR says that game will effect WoW subscribers even more. WoW may stand the test of time in a EQ kind of way, but you will see a decrease instead of another Increase in the player base. AoC, Spellborn, WAR, and further out the KOTOR MMO will all feast off the corpse of WoW.
I agree with all your points except being able to state that AoC has affected it to the extent you suggest - its too early.
WOW will steal a lot back with the Lich King pack and a WOW2 will do the same if ever it comes about.
There will always be a hardcore that stay forever ( applaud them) and a travelloing base that will bet bored and more on and/or want to try the shiny new penny.
WOW cant be on top forever, I dont believe anyone could believe so. But AoC, which has had a fantastic launch (hats off to Funcom) still needs some time to mature and to establish whatever its base is going to be.
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content.
What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this. These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
funcom aka aoc beter have one hell of a siege party cause if not it will be lotr all over again.men lotr as great graphic but they got so mutch graphic that the rest is at best standard.mm i dont think i m willing to give monthly fee to get same thing as wow i got a 70 might as well go enjoy the dude and dudette and not bother with aoc.
i said this a couple of time their only jocker card is the siege thing i dont think anybody knows how this feature will turn out to be in real,so funcom heres your moment of glory
IMPRESS US WITH THIS SO CALLED COOL FEATURE(SIEGE)
THAT WE ARE DYING TO EMBRACE BUT HAVE YET TO SEE EVEN A SHADOW OF IT.
dont wait tho cause other very cool game are right on your tail.
funcom aka aoc beter have one hell of a siege party cause if not it will be lotr all over again.men lotr as great graphic but they got so mutch graphic that the rest is at best standard.mm i dont think i m willing to give monthly fee to get same thing as wow i got a 70 might as well go enjoy the dude and dudette and not bother with aoc. i said this a couple of time their only jocker card is the siege thing i dont think anybody knows how this feature will turn out to be in real,so funcom heres your moment of glory IMPRESS US WITH THIS SO CALLED COOL FEATURE(SIEGE) THAT WE ARE DYING TO EMBRACE BUT HAVE YET TO SEE EVEN A SHADOW OF IT. dont wait tho cause other very cool game are right on your tail.
Trying to decipher your post, im guessing English is not your first language?
Lotro is a very indepth and well constructed pve game, arguably the best around right now. The graphics are good, the content is vast ... it's far more than just a pretty mmo.
If you are waiting on siege warfare as the preverbial golden egg and expecting it to be incredible, you might want to prepare yourself for disappointment. For one thing, it'll be instanced, for another, it might be guild-only content (as in guild v guild, anyone know for sure?). It has never been tested on live servers and as such chances are once released it'll be buggy while they get through the initial teething troubles.
Guessing once it's implemented, you might have to wait a while before it's playable.
It might be incredible, but it's best not to get your hopes up.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Threads liek this puxxle me to no end. This is not only a great game but th best selling game in many markets including US and Canaduh. IF anything it should be "why people like AoC"
Threads liek this puxxle me to no end. This is not only a great game but th best selling game in many markets including US and Canaduh.
It's sold well based on hype, previews and the various marketing videos that have been spread during AoC's development. People bought on that hype wanting something different.
Some people are disillusioned with what they ended up getting. They were expecting the next coming of Christ and they didn't get it so they're miffed.
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content.
What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this. These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content.
What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this. These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
I agree.
EQ's success was the beginning of the MMO downfall. The real reason that game was successful was precisely because of all the things EQ devs didn't manage to do due to budgetary constraints.
People played it as an open-ended game - CONTRARY to what the devs wanted them to do - and that is follow a linear "story" treadmill. Now the bastards have more money and experience and they're doing their darnedest to bring those unruly brats (aka players) to heel...
"Don't try to invent your own entertainment! Don't try to be creative! YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED!
Here are some nice quests for you to follow. You'll laugh when WE tell you to and cry when WE think it's appropriate.
Oh and don't stray off the beaten path or you'll get no advancement, maybe even run into an invisible wall or, if you get really naughty, a nice visit from your friendly GM who's job is to ensure everyone has exactly the same fun we want you to have."
I hope this dreadful branch of MMOs dies off as soon as possible.
So what you want is a MMORPG that does what? How do you expect to progress? Maybe an MMO will come out that doesn't have levels.....
Actually, that has been done, sort of, and after 9 years it is still one of the best game concepts around.
Unfortunately, that company decided to make LOTRO instead of updating Asheron's Call. (and I doubt that AC will ever be reborn, the graphics would need major updates).
AC has "levels", but they do not mean much, basically just an indicator of total xp. Everything was skill and stat based, which you increased as you progressed. You can assign xp points to any of several skiils or basic stats, it is basically open ended.
AoC just followed the same old formula as most games.
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content. What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this.These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
lol i say that to the WoW players.
Yet you're Xfire says you've played WoW for over 400+ hours?
Regardless, WoW wasn't totally instanced.
And..... Does that say this week or "TOTAL"....exactly. That was like a year ago kid I stopped playing that trash after about 3 months.
He didn't say in a week either. And you played 3 months and racked up 434 hours? That's almost 5 hours a day, every day for 90 days straight. I would think you liked something.
To the Op, I agree. I had high hopes. I bought the collectors edition. Played to 40 and realized there really isn't that much to do in the game. It doesn't even feel half finished to me. My buffs have been screwed since the last patch. Get in my 30's and find a lot of quests that aren't done, don't give rewards or just repeat themselves when I go to finish them. I read it only gets worse the higher your level is. You can build guild cities..but for what purpose? PvP just seemed like retarded ganking. There aren't really any rewards or anything for doing PvP.
He didn't say in a week either. And you played 3 months and racked up 434 hours? That's almost 5 hours a day, every day for 90 days straight. I would think you liked something.
Of course he liked it but bashing WoW for no reason is what all the "cool" kids are doing these days.
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content.
What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this. These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
QFE all mmorpgs being released right now are wow clones, I cant really fault them because they look at wow and think thats what everyone wants, they dont realize that its not.
Who are you to say that the creators of AoC are any less talented then shakespear, plato, newton? The amount of time, effort, money and sheer talent that creates these games is staggering!
I have to chuckle at this. Why not throw in Einstein, Leonardo Da Vinci, Descartes, and Jesus. They all deserve to be right up there with game developers.
Do you honestly think any of those clowns you just brought up can develop software?
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content.
What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this. These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
Just felt the need to clarify. These are not EverQuest clones. These are WoW clones. EverQuest, while having a similar formula, was NEVER this bad.
EverQuest had MEANINGFUL quests. They were challenging, didn't tell you exactly where to go, they were not NECESSARY to level(meaning no massive amounts of exp for them) and you didn't know who had a quest unless you talked to NPCs. The kill 10 bunnies quests came in because of WoW, and now we all suffer.
Your 100% right. EQ was one of the only truly great MMORPG's because you the player could pretty much do and follow whatever path you wanted. And the game design put players in a world similar to the old TSR Dragonlance/Forgotten Realms novels I read. It actually felt and tasted like a real living and breathing Fantasy world similar to D&D... Most of the other MMO's that have come out since then seem to be catering to those who like quick easy leveling with no grind or purpose in achieving your goal. These MMO's that have been coming out the last few years are more similar to WoW than EQ in terms of how they hold the player by the hand and blow their nose for them.. Wheres the challenge?
AoC is NOT a MMORPG. It's basically a single player RPG with a chat system that allows you to see other people playing by themselves.. It's a disgrace to be called an MMORPG.
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I don't know about disliking AOC. It has some good things like the graphic, decapitation moves and the music but to me I think the game doesn't have a long term appeal to it that many mmo gamers are looking for. Is it worth paying the 15 a month fee to play ? Nope not by a longshot but many will play it because they are so hungry for a new game they will try anything just because it will feel different to them. Unfortunately there isn't much difference here.
Sorry, cant agree with that. LOTRO affected WOW, all major releases will do. But thats natural, especially in the first period of release. WOW will stand the test of time and the lich king will affect all the other games ofr a time.
Not to the degree AoC has...entire guilds have left WoW for AoC and they aren't coming back..they may go to WAR, but they will not be back as a guild to WoW. And honestly the positive buzz around WAR says that game will effect WoW subscribers even more. WoW may stand the test of time in a EQ kind of way, but you will see a decrease instead of another Increase in the player base. AoC, Spellborn, WAR, and further out the KOTOR MMO will all feast off the corpse of WoW.
not true. with the exception of 1-2 guys, my entire guild has now quit AoC - roughly 40 people, in less than 2 months.
They baited everyone with "this will be a good pvp game" and with specifically saying death would have a consequence. Now the game is live, there is NO pvp death penalty, and it's exactly the same old boring crap we have had for the last 5 years.
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content.
What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this. These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
Just felt the need to clarify. These are not EverQuest clones. These are WoW clones. EverQuest, while having a similar formula, was NEVER this bad.
EverQuest had MEANINGFUL quests. They were challenging, didn't tell you exactly where to go, they were not NECESSARY to level(meaning no massive amounts of exp for them) and you didn't know who had a quest unless you talked to NPCs. The kill 10 bunnies quests came in because of WoW, and now we all suffer.
Exactly! I don't know if ya'll played EQ or not but it certainly was not, go kill 10 bunny quests. Even at lower levels there were quests that made you travel the entire world to complete, if you did them they were actually fun and you felt acomplished after doing so.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
If MMO's become rated as successful purely on launch sales... then I think i'll be finished playing MMO's forever. Age of Conan made sales cause it had flashy crap like fatalities, nice graphics that they can show on the case itself and headline pvp and cities made by people... but i've lost interest at level 32... all the gear i use is stuff from quests because you will never find anything just randomly dropped... so there's no exploration or excitement of rare drops... you're just leveling to level... and when you're done there's nothing else to do except mindlessly pvp everyone for no gain... i liked the adult content idea and nicer graphics but... i might have to go with WAR now... You can't say AoC succeded... most 30 day free trials haven't expired yet... and i can't find a real reason to pay yet... and i know most people will feel the same way.
I'm hoping that companies will care more about keeping people in the long term and not initial sales... Funcom should just go ahead and start working on another MMO.
-Not the lag. -Not the customer support. -Not lack of content.
What's wrong with AoC? It's TSOC.... The.Same.Old.Crap that we continue to buy again and again. You log into health bars and buttons, go on a linear Kill 10 Bunny quests in an instanced, psuedo-single player world until you run out of them, then cancel your account. Stop buying EQ clones people, it's the only reason they're still making crap like this. These games are nothing more than wateredown single player adventure games with chat boxes.
Just felt the need to clarify. These are not EverQuest clones. These are WoW clones. EverQuest, while having a similar formula, was NEVER this bad.
EverQuest had MEANINGFUL quests. They were challenging, didn't tell you exactly where to go, they were not NECESSARY to level(meaning no massive amounts of exp for them) and you didn't know who had a quest unless you talked to NPCs. The kill 10 bunnies quests came in because of WoW, and now we all suffer.
Exactly! I don't know if ya'll played EQ or not but it certainly was not, go kill 10 bunny quests. Even at lower levels there were quests that made you travel the entire world to complete, if you did them they were actually fun and you felt acomplished after doing so.
um for the record, although I do think those kinds of quests are fun, and played EQ myself and loved it, if a person doesn't have time to do some epic "Run your High Elf through Neriak" quest and ending up with more exp death than quest was worth, AoC is a better choice. I'm a casual gamer and not only is the dialog very entertaining with more than one response option, but as some quests are simple as in "kill 10 bunnies" there are tons of other quests that require summoning demons and solving mysteries. some might think that it's "The Same Old Crap" (and why is the included in the anagram?) and they may be right, but that crap obviously works, because EQ did in fact do that "kill 20 Crushbone Orcs" ZONE! or WoW's "get ten bandit medals" and each bandit conveniently carries one. Both of those games were astronomical successes if you go buy sales and subscriptions. If you check the numbers AoC is not doing bad either. Just my humble opinon though (and yes I spelled it out)
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Nice point Jessics and that is what I think people seem to want these days, a fast-food type mmo. As for me I want atmospere. I want awesome views and hidden paths to explore. I want great sound and epic battles. If in such an enviroment you find something lacking then try roleplaying. An mmo gives you a world to play in and adventure and if you rush through it you might miss the point, as Bruce Lee once said, "Don't stare at the finger or you miss all that heavenly glory"
Not to the degree AoC has...entire guilds have left WoW for AoC and they aren't coming back..they may go to WAR, but they will not be back as a guild to WoW. And honestly the positive buzz around WAR says that game will effect WoW subscribers even more. WoW may stand the test of time in a EQ kind of way, but you will see a decrease instead of another Increase in the player base. AoC, Spellborn, WAR, and further out the KOTOR MMO will all feast off the corpse of WoW.
I agree with all your points except being able to state that AoC has affected it to the extent you suggest - its too early.
WOW will steal a lot back with the Lich King pack and a WOW2 will do the same if ever it comes about.
There will always be a hardcore that stay forever ( applaud them) and a travelloing base that will bet bored and more on and/or want to try the shiny new penny.
WOW cant be on top forever, I dont believe anyone could believe so. But AoC, which has had a fantastic launch (hats off to Funcom) still needs some time to mature and to establish whatever its base is going to be.
To err is human....to play is divine
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funcom aka aoc beter have one hell of a siege party cause if not it will be lotr all over again.men lotr as great graphic but they got so mutch graphic that the rest is at best standard.mm i dont think i m willing to give monthly fee to get same thing as wow i got a 70 might as well go enjoy the dude and dudette and not bother with aoc.
i said this a couple of time their only jocker card is the siege thing i dont think anybody knows how this feature will turn out to be in real,so funcom heres your moment of glory
IMPRESS US WITH THIS SO CALLED COOL FEATURE(SIEGE)
THAT WE ARE DYING TO EMBRACE BUT HAVE YET TO SEE EVEN A SHADOW OF IT.
dont wait tho cause other very cool game are right on your tail.
Trying to decipher your post, im guessing English is not your first language?
Lotro is a very indepth and well constructed pve game, arguably the best around right now. The graphics are good, the content is vast ... it's far more than just a pretty mmo.
If you are waiting on siege warfare as the preverbial golden egg and expecting it to be incredible, you might want to prepare yourself for disappointment. For one thing, it'll be instanced, for another, it might be guild-only content (as in guild v guild, anyone know for sure?). It has never been tested on live servers and as such chances are once released it'll be buggy while they get through the initial teething troubles.
Guessing once it's implemented, you might have to wait a while before it's playable.
It might be incredible, but it's best not to get your hopes up.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Actually I think the real problem with AoC is solar flares.
Threads liek this puxxle me to no end. This is not only a great game but th best selling game in many markets including US and Canaduh. IF anything it should be "why people like AoC"
Sinister Savant MMORPG Community
Some people are disillusioned with what they ended up getting. They were expecting the next coming of Christ and they didn't get it so they're miffed.
why do we have so many cry babies on the forums.
I agree.
EQ's success was the beginning of the MMO downfall. The real reason that game was successful was precisely because of all the things EQ devs didn't manage to do due to budgetary constraints.
People played it as an open-ended game - CONTRARY to what the devs wanted them to do - and that is follow a linear "story" treadmill. Now the bastards have more money and experience and they're doing their darnedest to bring those unruly brats (aka players) to heel...
"Don't try to invent your own entertainment! Don't try to be creative! YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED!
Here are some nice quests for you to follow. You'll laugh when WE tell you to and cry when WE think it's appropriate.
Oh and don't stray off the beaten path or you'll get no advancement, maybe even run into an invisible wall or, if you get really naughty, a nice visit from your friendly GM who's job is to ensure everyone has exactly the same fun we want you to have."
I hope this dreadful branch of MMOs dies off as soon as possible.
Unfortunately, that company decided to make LOTRO instead of updating Asheron's Call. (and I doubt that AC will ever be reborn, the graphics would need major updates).
AC has "levels", but they do not mean much, basically just an indicator of total xp. Everything was skill and stat based, which you increased as you progressed. You can assign xp points to any of several skiils or basic stats, it is basically open ended.
AoC just followed the same old formula as most games.
lol i say that to the WoW players.
Yet you're Xfire says you've played WoW for over 400+ hours?
Regardless, WoW wasn't totally instanced.
And..... Does that say this week or "TOTAL"....exactly. That was like a year ago kid I stopped playing that trash after about 3 months.
He didn't say in a week either. And you played 3 months and racked up 434 hours? That's almost 5 hours a day, every day for 90 days straight. I would think you liked something.To the Op, I agree. I had high hopes. I bought the collectors edition. Played to 40 and realized there really isn't that much to do in the game. It doesn't even feel half finished to me. My buffs have been screwed since the last patch. Get in my 30's and find a lot of quests that aren't done, don't give rewards or just repeat themselves when I go to finish them. I read it only gets worse the higher your level is. You can build guild cities..but for what purpose? PvP just seemed like retarded ganking. There aren't really any rewards or anything for doing PvP.
Of course he liked it but bashing WoW for no reason is what all the "cool" kids are doing these days.
Pure sandbox for the win!
I have to chuckle at this. Why not throw in Einstein, Leonardo Da Vinci, Descartes, and Jesus. They all deserve to be right up there with game developers.
Do you honestly think any of those clowns you just brought up can develop software?
EverQuest had MEANINGFUL quests. They were challenging, didn't tell you exactly where to go, they were not NECESSARY to level(meaning no massive amounts of exp for them) and you didn't know who had a quest unless you talked to NPCs. The kill 10 bunnies quests came in because of WoW, and now we all suffer.
Your 100% right. EQ was one of the only truly great MMORPG's because you the player could pretty much do and follow whatever path you wanted. And the game design put players in a world similar to the old TSR Dragonlance/Forgotten Realms novels I read. It actually felt and tasted like a real living and breathing Fantasy world similar to D&D... Most of the other MMO's that have come out since then seem to be catering to those who like quick easy leveling with no grind or purpose in achieving your goal. These MMO's that have been coming out the last few years are more similar to WoW than EQ in terms of how they hold the player by the hand and blow their nose for them.. Wheres the challenge?
AoC is NOT a MMORPG. It's basically a single player RPG with a chat system that allows you to see other people playing by themselves.. It's a disgrace to be called an MMORPG.
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I don't know about disliking AOC. It has some good things like the graphic, decapitation moves and the music but to me I think the game doesn't have a long term appeal to it that many mmo gamers are looking for. Is it worth paying the 15 a month fee to play ? Nope not by a longshot but many will play it because they are so hungry for a new game they will try anything just because it will feel different to them. Unfortunately there isn't much difference here.
Not to the degree AoC has...entire guilds have left WoW for AoC and they aren't coming back..they may go to WAR, but they will not be back as a guild to WoW. And honestly the positive buzz around WAR says that game will effect WoW subscribers even more. WoW may stand the test of time in a EQ kind of way, but you will see a decrease instead of another Increase in the player base. AoC, Spellborn, WAR, and further out the KOTOR MMO will all feast off the corpse of WoW.
not true. with the exception of 1-2 guys, my entire guild has now quit AoC - roughly 40 people, in less than 2 months.
This thread is 100% true.
They baited everyone with "this will be a good pvp game" and with specifically saying death would have a consequence. Now the game is live, there is NO pvp death penalty, and it's exactly the same old boring crap we have had for the last 5 years.
EverQuest had MEANINGFUL quests. They were challenging, didn't tell you exactly where to go, they were not NECESSARY to level(meaning no massive amounts of exp for them) and you didn't know who had a quest unless you talked to NPCs. The kill 10 bunnies quests came in because of WoW, and now we all suffer.
Exactly! I don't know if ya'll played EQ or not but it certainly was not, go kill 10 bunny quests. Even at lower levels there were quests that made you travel the entire world to complete, if you did them they were actually fun and you felt acomplished after doing so.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
really fun.
If MMO's become rated as successful purely on launch sales... then I think i'll be finished playing MMO's forever. Age of Conan made sales cause it had flashy crap like fatalities, nice graphics that they can show on the case itself and headline pvp and cities made by people... but i've lost interest at level 32... all the gear i use is stuff from quests because you will never find anything just randomly dropped... so there's no exploration or excitement of rare drops... you're just leveling to level... and when you're done there's nothing else to do except mindlessly pvp everyone for no gain... i liked the adult content idea and nicer graphics but... i might have to go with WAR now... You can't say AoC succeded... most 30 day free trials haven't expired yet... and i can't find a real reason to pay yet... and i know most people will feel the same way.
I'm hoping that companies will care more about keeping people in the long term and not initial sales... Funcom should just go ahead and start working on another MMO.
After all the F2P clones AoC doesnt play that bad to me.... But anyway back to my Diablo 2 game!
EverQuest had MEANINGFUL quests. They were challenging, didn't tell you exactly where to go, they were not NECESSARY to level(meaning no massive amounts of exp for them) and you didn't know who had a quest unless you talked to NPCs. The kill 10 bunnies quests came in because of WoW, and now we all suffer.
Exactly! I don't know if ya'll played EQ or not but it certainly was not, go kill 10 bunny quests. Even at lower levels there were quests that made you travel the entire world to complete, if you did them they were actually fun and you felt acomplished after doing so.
um for the record, although I do think those kinds of quests are fun, and played EQ myself and loved it, if a person doesn't have time to do some epic "Run your High Elf through Neriak" quest and ending up with more exp death than quest was worth, AoC is a better choice. I'm a casual gamer and not only is the dialog very entertaining with more than one response option, but as some quests are simple as in "kill 10 bunnies" there are tons of other quests that require summoning demons and solving mysteries. some might think that it's "The Same Old Crap" (and why is the included in the anagram?) and they may be right, but that crap obviously works, because EQ did in fact do that "kill 20 Crushbone Orcs" ZONE! or WoW's "get ten bandit medals" and each bandit conveniently carries one. Both of those games were astronomical successes if you go buy sales and subscriptions. If you check the numbers AoC is not doing bad either. Just my humble opinon though (and yes I spelled it out)