FFA PvP means just that...not "we'll hold your hand and protect you from the big bad ganker" as you level BS. Sorry if I sound a little PO'd, but you guys knew this coming into the FFA PvP servers and now you want to change the rules to protect you. I think Funcom needs to change the name of their FFA PvP servers to:
CAREBEAR SERVERS o.O
I agree, yet still not. Its "FFA PVP", not "Asshats galore" or "Spawncampers R Us".
Then you shouldn't be playing on an FFA PvP server then should you? Because those people exist on an FFA PvP server. Don't like them camping you. Get some people together and camp them. It happens all the time in FotD and Eiglophian Mountains, Atzels, you name it. Don't like it get a group together and put a stop to it or change instances. That is how an FFA PvP server works and it works well.
FFA PvP means just that. If you do not like it don't play on one.
and if you dont like the fugitive system, why do you play the game? its not you who are the creator is it?
I wonder what would happen if the entire world suddenly went "Hey, we dont like the mona lisa (or any other work of art for that matter), lets demand a repaint and make her nude, that would be better." they do after all pay to see and enjoy the painting, so why shouldnt they be allowed to whine in some forums somewhere and demand that its changed... I wonder.
The rules were established before all the and I am sorry to put it this way, whiners started playing on PvP servers. Why did you guys come to a PvP server if you couldn't deal with how it is. I can deal with it. I get ganked. I am not whining. Why are you? God makes me sick all the time I get people whining when you kill them and most of the time they are higher level! The names I ahve been called and the foul language I get from players I kill from all levels amazes me. "You didn't fight fair!" What...I didn't?! You started this when you jumped me right after a fight and I was resting! Who is not fighting fair?! Look...there are plenty servers for people who do not like FFA or open PvP. Why..and I will ask you again...why do you insist on changing the rules to fit your play style when there are servers available for the kind of PvP you do like? Just tell me why?
The rather obvious point here is that in general this will make no diference to your play time if you play as you said, by getting ganked and fighting higher levels. So whats your problem? Are you moaning that you will miss getting ganked?
However those that don't wish to be spawn camped by lvl 80's on a new alt, don't have to log on their main's and get their guildies to come purge the gankers. They will most likely continue to get beat down but take solace in the fact the assholes will pay later at the hands of another player. You see in the end its still the players themselves that are the responsible for resolving the issue.
I just can't understand what your problem is? Just because something is the way it is, doesn't mean that when people want something altered, they are automatically whinning bitches.
FFA is a myth there are always balances, in this game you can pvp and spawn almost instantly with no detriment to doing so, combine that with world pvp and you have a gankage, suckge, satin sperm of a game with pointless pvp. Its far from perfect but its more of an incentive to pvp imo than levels, which most seem to think will give it a purpose.
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A great number of players on the pvp servers atm just dont like to be killed by other people. They have no problem getting killed by mobs though. That is an oxymoron because you log on to pvp servers to pvp right? I was called a noob because i used potions to heal myself in pvp against a higher lvl. I mean wouldn't i be a noob if i didnt use the potions?
Anyway back on subject. Imo this system will not stop ganking, it will promote it. Right now killing another player especially of lower lvl offers u nothing. That is why the vast majority don't bother with ganking. When people start going red it is a motive to ganking right? to see how many u can gank possibly before the ganker hunters come for u. Couple that with the fact that items have little to no use in aoc so u can kill just as easily naked with vender items as u can with epics and the system backfires. Gankers are supposed to risk dropping items upon death, but vendor items are cheap and easilly replacable couple that with the e-peen flexing of running around the world naked with a red name and the reward for gankers is higher than the risk.
The rules were established before all the and I am sorry to put it this way, whiners started playing on PvP servers. Why did you guys come to a PvP server if you couldn't deal with how it is. I can deal with it. I get ganked. I am not whining. Why are you? God makes me sick all the time I get people whining when you kill them and most of the time they are higher level! The names I ahve been called and the foul language I get from players I kill from all levels amazes me. "You didn't fight fair!" What...I didn't?! You started this when you jumped me right after a fight and I was resting! Who is not fighting fair?! Look...there are plenty servers for people who do not like FFA or open PvP. Why..and I will ask you again...why do you insist on changing the rules to fit your play style when there are servers available for the kind of PvP you do like? Just tell me why?
is it SOOO hard to understand the concept of liking worldwide FFA PvP, but NOT likeing getting 1 shotting and spawn camped by lvl 80s?!
JESUS. YOU are a minority. you being people who think that FFA has to allow lvl 80s killing lvl 20's. thats why so many "whiners" are on pvp servers. thos whiners LIKE FFA open PvP, they just DON't like being spawn camped by people they can't fight back against.
after this post I give up trying to explain anything to you teala. I'm starting be under the impression, you know the system will work. you probably just don't like it because your really just another carebear ganker QQing because they are afraid of losing thier loot or having to fight naked.
EDIT: I advise mrw0lf to stop using logical arguements also. they're obviously futile.
Image above is of a level 50 sword found in Tortage.
Just one example of Aoc's lousy loot system.
Equipment type available means that your class can not use this weapon type until the level stated. This confused me as well when I started out playing.
You are missing the point. It is a level 50 sword in a place that only goes to level 20(or a little past). Also see those damage stats. Well after you leave Tortage...it doesn't get much better from randomly dropped loot. Quest items give you the best stats and random drops are just pure junk.
No, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT: That is a lvl 18-20ish sword. The reason it has the lvl 50 attribute, is because YOU CAN'T USE SWORDS UNTIL LEVEL 50. OTHER CLASSES CAN USE THAT AT <= 20.
It's NOT a level 50 sword.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
IMO, this new system is a step in the right direction. Hard corps PvP should be in regard to competition, not ganking.
I have no problem with someone of high level killing me for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I do have a problem with someone continually ganking me with no gain other than to ruin my fun. At least in this new system if someone decides to continually gank me there's risk involved for the ganker. As a gamer on a FFA PvP server, you really can't ask for much more than that.
I feel like the OPs point got lost in the shuffle here. Teala pointed out 2 important things about the new proposed system --
1.) it may have the unintended effect of penalizing PvPer's in a guild-sanctioned war rather than just the griefers. Some people seem to associate one with the other and that isn't the case.
2.) The penalty can be easily circumvented by the dedicated griefer.
i don't think it's trolling to bring up these points -- I think it's great that they've been brought up but I also hope (and assume) these have been brought tolight on the official boards if not fully considered by the dev team already.
You cant call yourself a PVP game when you got an uneven playing field. If youre looking for an even playing field in pvp your playing the wrong games, these types attract those carebear pvp'ers that need artifical time based skill development to make up for any real pvp skill they have. Youre playing the wrong games, GuildWars is close with the low level cap everyone pvp'ing has the same stats on weapons and gear and they are the same level, Eve is a farce and just a scam that is not a pvp game.
PVP games require balance, something RPG nerds just dont want, they want to gank lowbies. 80 levels of differing power is not balance, therefore its not PVP, its a gankfest. Good PVP games are like sports , and like sports they have rules that dont let certain gameplay styles in that arent in the spirit of competetion. Get over it and move on, let them play their griefer games and support games that know how to do PVP which unfortunately right now isnt many mmorpg's.
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I agree, yet still not. Its "FFA PVP", not "Asshats galore" or "Spawncampers R Us".
Then you shouldn't be playing on an FFA PvP server then should you? Because those people exist on an FFA PvP server. Don't like them camping you. Get some people together and camp them. It happens all the time in FotD and Eiglophian Mountains, Atzels, you name it. Don't like it get a group together and put a stop to it or change instances. That is how an FFA PvP server works and it works well.
FFA PvP means just that. If you do not like it don't play on one.
and if you dont like the fugitive system, why do you play the game? its not you who are the creator is it?
I wonder what would happen if the entire world suddenly went "Hey, we dont like the mona lisa (or any other work of art for that matter), lets demand a repaint and make her nude, that would be better." they do after all pay to see and enjoy the painting, so why shouldnt they be allowed to whine in some forums somewhere and demand that its changed... I wonder.
The rather obvious point here is that in general this will make no diference to your play time if you play as you said, by getting ganked and fighting higher levels. So whats your problem? Are you moaning that you will miss getting ganked?
However those that don't wish to be spawn camped by lvl 80's on a new alt, don't have to log on their main's and get their guildies to come purge the gankers. They will most likely continue to get beat down but take solace in the fact the assholes will pay later at the hands of another player. You see in the end its still the players themselves that are the responsible for resolving the issue.
I just can't understand what your problem is? Just because something is the way it is, doesn't mean that when people want something altered, they are automatically whinning bitches.
FFA is a myth there are always balances, in this game you can pvp and spawn almost instantly with no detriment to doing so, combine that with world pvp and you have a gankage, suckge, satin sperm of a game with pointless pvp. Its far from perfect but its more of an incentive to pvp imo than levels, which most seem to think will give it a purpose.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
A great number of players on the pvp servers atm just dont like to be killed by other people. They have no problem getting killed by mobs though. That is an oxymoron because you log on to pvp servers to pvp right? I was called a noob because i used potions to heal myself in pvp against a higher lvl. I mean wouldn't i be a noob if i didnt use the potions?
Anyway back on subject. Imo this system will not stop ganking, it will promote it. Right now killing another player especially of lower lvl offers u nothing. That is why the vast majority don't bother with ganking. When people start going red it is a motive to ganking right? to see how many u can gank possibly before the ganker hunters come for u. Couple that with the fact that items have little to no use in aoc so u can kill just as easily naked with vender items as u can with epics and the system backfires. Gankers are supposed to risk dropping items upon death, but vendor items are cheap and easilly replacable couple that with the e-peen flexing of running around the world naked with a red name and the reward for gankers is higher than the risk.
is it SOOO hard to understand the concept of liking worldwide FFA PvP, but NOT likeing getting 1 shotting and spawn camped by lvl 80s?!
JESUS. YOU are a minority. you being people who think that FFA has to allow lvl 80s killing lvl 20's. thats why so many "whiners" are on pvp servers. thos whiners LIKE FFA open PvP, they just DON't like being spawn camped by people they can't fight back against.
after this post I give up trying to explain anything to you teala. I'm starting be under the impression, you know the system will work. you probably just don't like it because your really just another carebear ganker QQing because they are afraid of losing thier loot or having to fight naked.
EDIT: I advise mrw0lf to stop using logical arguements also. they're obviously futile.
Dear Game Developers,
Nerf Rock.
Paper is fine though.
Regards,
Scissors.
Ganking = "No Gray Matter"
Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines
Equipment type available means that your class can not use this weapon type until the level stated. This confused me as well when I started out playing.
You are missing the point. It is a level 50 sword in a place that only goes to level 20(or a little past). Also see those damage stats. Well after you leave Tortage...it doesn't get much better from randomly dropped loot. Quest items give you the best stats and random drops are just pure junk.
No, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT: That is a lvl 18-20ish sword. The reason it has the lvl 50 attribute, is because YOU CAN'T USE SWORDS UNTIL LEVEL 50. OTHER CLASSES CAN USE THAT AT <= 20.
It's NOT a level 50 sword.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
IMO, this new system is a step in the right direction. Hard corps PvP should be in regard to competition, not ganking.
I have no problem with someone of high level killing me for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I do have a problem with someone continually ganking me with no gain other than to ruin my fun. At least in this new system if someone decides to continually gank me there's risk involved for the ganker. As a gamer on a FFA PvP server, you really can't ask for much more than that.
so...
I feel like the OPs point got lost in the shuffle here. Teala pointed out 2 important things about the new proposed system --
1.) it may have the unintended effect of penalizing PvPer's in a guild-sanctioned war rather than just the griefers. Some people seem to associate one with the other and that isn't the case.
2.) The penalty can be easily circumvented by the dedicated griefer.
i don't think it's trolling to bring up these points -- I think it's great that they've been brought up but I also hope (and assume) these have been brought tolight on the official boards if not fully considered by the dev team already.
You cant call yourself a PVP game when you got an uneven playing field. If youre looking for an even playing field in pvp your playing the wrong games, these types attract those carebear pvp'ers that need artifical time based skill development to make up for any real pvp skill they have. Youre playing the wrong games, GuildWars is close with the low level cap everyone pvp'ing has the same stats on weapons and gear and they are the same level, Eve is a farce and just a scam that is not a pvp game.
PVP games require balance, something RPG nerds just dont want, they want to gank lowbies. 80 levels of differing power is not balance, therefore its not PVP, its a gankfest. Good PVP games are like sports , and like sports they have rules that dont let certain gameplay styles in that arent in the spirit of competetion. Get over it and move on, let them play their griefer games and support games that know how to do PVP which unfortunately right now isnt many mmorpg's.
This sounds like it could be cool if they implement it right. Maybe bring som of that old UO and DAOC feeling back.