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The Naysayer Analogy
Souldrainer
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So, you buy a new car. When you buy it, the car dealer tells you he will replace the tires. He doesn't. A week later, your tires blow out. The dealer says that the tires are ordered, but on backorder. Here is the point where you decide. Most drivers would grumble and buy a spare to hold them over and work around the issue.
An AoC naysayer would demand the full purchase price of the car back. It never said you needed a license to drive. It never said that other drivers can bring risks to you. Honestly, the roads outside the dealership were pretty low maintenence.
Return your $20.000 car over one bad $50 tire. GJ naysayers. Thanks for bringing the world into perspective for us.
AoC has only been the top selling PC game for like six months now. With a track record like that, it has to be bad. They must be doing something wrong, right?
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Don't you mean it's like selling you a car and when you get the car you find out that the stereo, speakers, air condition, power stearing, headlights, air bags and the last 2 gears will be added later? But at least it came with a body kit and a sweet paintjob right?
huh???
never understood the 'MMO is a car" analogies, I certainly don't understand yours.
Let's try an analogy that better parallels Online games.
You see a Cable TV company advertising 80 channels for $15/month. Great you sign up, of course there is a $50 installation fee, that's standard. So they install you turn on the TV, and WTH?? only 40 of your 80 channels are working!!
Your repeated calls to the cable company's Customer Service branch go unanswered. Finally you do get a hold of someone and they tell you "Yeah sorry we cant give you those 40 channels your missing for another 3-6 months".
In the real world you are refunded your deposit/installation fee and you go sign up with Dish Network instead.
Does this analogy make better sense??
That made me lawl.
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This has to be perhaps the worst car / mmo analogy I've ever read and I've read a few!.
You're completely clueless.
?? Six Months? On topic, lame post fanny boy. Game is ok, but selling a product that isn't what you sold it to be is not the best business decision. Then again, you can't fit that into your tired, cliched car analogy huh?
OP you do understand that MMOs are subscription based business model, not a "One-Off" sale like an Console title?
?? Six Months? On topic, lame post fanny boy. Game is ok, but selling a product that isn't what you sold it to be is not the best business decision. Then again, you can't fit that into your tired, cliched car analogy huh?
Right around six months, yeah. Feb-July. And no, I am not a fanboy. I take the game on its merits and flaws, but the people who are acting like 40-80 doesn't exist or acting like the game does not work are fully of crap.
Do you really NEED engame content in the first 1-3 months of the game? It's not like you'd never roll an alt anway. I can see the whining if people had their 8 80's already, but they are adding new 20-80 content with every patch.
Peolple are forgetting that the highest selling MMO out today had the worst initial launch. MMO success is not about the launch. MMO success is about the patching, and so far every AoC patch has featured major improvements, to the point where many many hater complaints we see here are about things which were removed from the game. If this game is so bad, then what MMO is better?
I've played UO, EQ, AC, DAOC, Horizons, Shadowbane, Lineage II, WOW, Guild Wars, Eve, DDO, COX, SWG, SL, LOTRO, HGL, and TR to name a few. I fail to see where AoC does not stack up well against those games. Maybe it's my play style, or maybe I am too old for this forum. In any case, AoC is a game that a lot of people find entertaining, and it's getting pretty old seeing wave after wave of mindless drones bash the game based on fluff that we don't even need right now.
I am sorry, but if you exploited to 80 in 36 hours or rushed there in 72, then decided the game sucks, maybe you are not right for the MMO genre. Personally, I am not a fan of raid gringing and I enjoy the journey of this game. I am in no rush, and my play experience has been enchanced for it. MMOs are not supposed to be about raids. They are supposed to be about immersion, and many, many, many PC Gamers are telling us with our wallets that they are immersed.
You're not? The fact that the game isn't for you does not mean it's broken. Get over yourselves.
Now, if they don't come out with content in the next few months, that will be panic time. Until then, the game is doing just fine, and has already improved more since launch than Hellgate or Tabula Rasa.
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That analogy fails on many levels.
The most obvious flaw is AoC didn't cost 20,000, so tossing it out, annoying as it may be, is really no big deal for most people over the age of 17.
a more apt analogy would be you buy a car, and all the tires blow out. In fact, everyone who bought the same care from the same dealer experiences the same blowout. The dealer promises to replace them when he gets around to it, but it will definitely take a few months, at least.
Then 5 or 6 other dealers offer to trade the car in for one that actually runs.
You pick one and trade in your clunker, vowing to never buy from that inept dealer ever again.
Or at least, until he has proven that he can sell a car with working tires.
Some people assume that just because someone holds an opinion that is different than theirs, they must be a "mindless drone". Emotional maturity usually clears up this misconception.
If you can reach the endgame in 1-3 months then yes, the game needs endgame content in the first 1-3 months. The only reason why we dont' have more people at 80 is because quests run out and you have to grind the last 30 or so levels. If those levels had just as many quests as the lower levels you'd be seeing a lot more pissed off level 80s bitching about how there's nothing to do. It was pretty smart of them to hinder the progress of the players. Gives them more time to put in endgame shit.
Some people assume that just because someone holds an opinion that is different than theirs, they must be a "mindless drone". Emotional maturity usually clears up this misconception.
Yeah, good point. Practice what you preach though.
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Any repeat service situation works as a decent analogy. You could also say:
"I just signed up for a new phone service. They told me for years that they would offer a top of the line phone, free roaming, service in any location, a circle program with 20 friends, bluetooth, and an awesome new way to use the phone. When I signed up, instead...they only gave me a top of the line phone and new functionality. When I called to ask about the bluetooth, and such, the operator and his friends yelled at me because the phone was SOO COOL! Then...a few weeks later, they told everyone that they were about to open up all the features (which i was already promised in my contract) as NEW features in a few months.
I stuck it out and gave them time only to discover that, even when adding some of the features...it wasn't like I was promised. My circle only had 5 friends, I couldn't get service in every location, and roaming was only free on certain days. My bluetooth is STILL missing, and I'm really mad about it. I don't understand why people think I should be okay with this...even if they finally DO get around to giving me everything, I'll have been paying months for things I should have had since I got my phone! "
Hell, you could probably make a restaurant analogy that was better than the OP...
If you can reach the endgame in 1-3 months then yes, the game needs endgame content in the first 1-3 months. The only reason why we dont' have more people at 80 is because quests run out and you have to grind the last 30 or so levels. If those levels had just as many quests as the lower levels you'd be seeing a lot more pissed off level 80s bitching about how there's nothing to do. It was pretty smart of them to hinder the progress of the players. Gives them more time to put in endgame shit.
Here's what's wrong with the genre today. Instead of hitting 80, or *gasp* 45, and then making an alt, people make one character of the class that sounded best to them from the blurb. Most do not bother to try another class. Most roll on PVE servers. Then, these people cry nerf when they get beat in PVP and cry for a lack of content when there is nothing to do. You get 8 slots, and you should use at least two of them. Additionally, don't blame FC when you don't have an influx of dynamic content. Blame yourself for not rolling on a PVP server.
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If you can reach the endgame in 1-3 months then yes, the game needs endgame content in the first 1-3 months. The only reason why we dont' have more people at 80 is because quests run out and you have to grind the last 30 or so levels. If those levels had just as many quests as the lower levels you'd be seeing a lot more pissed off level 80s bitching about how there's nothing to do. It was pretty smart of them to hinder the progress of the players. Gives them more time to put in endgame shit.
Here's what's wrong with the genre today. Instead of hitting 80, or *gasp* 45, and then making an alt, people make one character of the class that sounded best to them from the blurb. Most do not bother to try another class. Most roll on PVE servers. Then, these people cry nerf when they get beat in PVP and cry for a lack of content when there is nothing to do. You get 8 slots, and you should use at least two of them. Additionally, don't blame FC when you don't have an influx of dynamic content. Blame yourself for not rolling on a PVP server.
You should stop now, you have no idea what you're talking about.
If you can reach the endgame in 1-3 months then yes, the game needs endgame content in the first 1-3 months. The only reason why we dont' have more people at 80 is because quests run out and you have to grind the last 30 or so levels. If those levels had just as many quests as the lower levels you'd be seeing a lot more pissed off level 80s bitching about how there's nothing to do. It was pretty smart of them to hinder the progress of the players. Gives them more time to put in endgame shit.
Here's what's wrong with the genre today. Instead of hitting 80, or *gasp* 45, and then making an alt, people make one character of the class that sounded best to them from the blurb. Most do not bother to try another class. Most roll on PVE servers. Then, these people cry nerf when they get beat in PVP and cry for a lack of content when there is nothing to do. You get 8 slots, and you should use at least two of them. Additionally, don't blame FC when you don't have an influx of dynamic content. Blame yourself for not rolling on a PVP server.
You should stop now, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Great argument. It holds a lot of water when you speak your mind as it were fact with no supporting arguments at all.
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If you can reach the endgame in 1-3 months then yes, the game needs endgame content in the first 1-3 months. The only reason why we dont' have more people at 80 is because quests run out and you have to grind the last 30 or so levels. If those levels had just as many quests as the lower levels you'd be seeing a lot more pissed off level 80s bitching about how there's nothing to do. It was pretty smart of them to hinder the progress of the players. Gives them more time to put in endgame shit.
Here's what's wrong with the genre today. Instead of hitting 80, or *gasp* 45, and then making an alt, people make one character of the class that sounded best to them from the blurb. Most do not bother to try another class. Most roll on PVE servers. Then, these people cry nerf when they get beat in PVP and cry for a lack of content when there is nothing to do. You get 8 slots, and you should use at least two of them. Additionally, don't blame FC when you don't have an influx of dynamic content. Blame yourself for not rolling on a PVP server.
You should stop now, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Great argument. It holds a lot of water when you speak your mind as it were fact with no supporting arguments at all.
Yep it was good. Just trying to help you out.
My friend its more like buying a car without tires. How the hell are you gonna drive it?
So your analogy is wrong and pointless. Funcom lies and lies but some people are happy living in denial. Good for you.
Oh and that 'First MMO to feature DX 10' comment by FUcom was very hilarious because LORTO already has DX10 in a very stable working condition. Can they get anymore pathetic then this?
?? Six Months? On topic, lame post fanny boy. Game is ok, but selling a product that isn't what you sold it to be is not the best business decision. Then again, you can't fit that into your tired, cliched car analogy huh?
Right around six months, yeah. Feb-July. And no, I am not a fanboy. I take the game on its merits and flaws, but the people who are acting like 40-80 doesn't exist or acting like the game does not work are fully of crap.
Do you really NEED engame content in the first 1-3 months of the game? It's not like you'd never roll an alt anway. I can see the whining if people had their 8 80's already, but they are adding new 20-80 content with every patch.
Peolple are forgetting that the highest selling MMO out today had the worst initial launch. MMO success is not about the launch. MMO success is about the patching, and so far every AoC patch has featured major improvements, to the point where many many hater complaints we see here are about things which were removed from the game. If this game is so bad, then what MMO is better?
I've played UO, EQ, AC, DAOC, Horizons, Shadowbane, Lineage II, WOW, Guild Wars, Eve, DDO, COX, SWG, SL, LOTRO, HGL, and TR to name a few. I fail to see where AoC does not stack up well against those games. Maybe it's my play style, or maybe I am too old for this forum. In any case, AoC is a game that a lot of people find entertaining, and it's getting pretty old seeing wave after wave of mindless drones bash the game based on fluff that we don't even need right now.
I am sorry, but if you exploited to 80 in 36 hours or rushed there in 72, then decided the game sucks, maybe you are not right for the MMO genre. Personally, I am not a fan of raid gringing and I enjoy the journey of this game. I am in no rush, and my play experience has been enchanced for it. MMOs are not supposed to be about raids. They are supposed to be about immersion, and many, many, many PC Gamers are telling us with our wallets that they are immersed.
You're not? The fact that the game isn't for you does not mean it's broken. Get over yourselves.
Now, if they don't come out with content in the next few months, that will be panic time. Until then, the game is doing just fine, and has already improved more since launch than Hellgate or Tabula Rasa.
Damn dude you played Horizons? That game was nuggets for real. Most missing content EVAR in an mmo.
I do agree that end game content isn't really a huge thing, but that is a moot point considering there is raids in AoC. Anyways peeps need to stop crying about missing content cuz all mmos do it. AoC just needs a little bit of polish to it and just watch in another month this "car" is gonna be sittin on chromed out 22s.
Current MMO: Aion
MMO Watch: Warhammer 40k Online, SWToR, GW2.
Played: Planetside, SWG, EQ, EQ2, L2, WoW, RFO, KAL, MxO, Voyage, RO,Vanguard,Tabula Rasa, Horizons, CoH/CoV,, Lotro, FFXI
First MMO: Everquest (Tunare Server, Ronin/Tide Guild)
?? Six Months? On topic, lame post fanny boy. Game is ok, but selling a product that isn't what you sold it to be is not the best business decision. Then again, you can't fit that into your tired, cliched car analogy huh?
Right around six months, yeah. Feb-July. And no, I am not a fanboy. I take the game on its merits and flaws, but the people who are acting like 40-80 doesn't exist or acting like the game does not work are fully of crap.
Do you really NEED engame content in the first 1-3 months of the game? It's not like you'd never roll an alt anway. I can see the whining if people had their 8 80's already, but they are adding new 20-80 content with every patch.
Peolple are forgetting that the highest selling MMO out today had the worst initial launch. MMO success is not about the launch. MMO success is about the patching, and so far every AoC patch has featured major improvements, to the point where many many hater complaints we see here are about things which were removed from the game. If this game is so bad, then what MMO is better?
I've played UO, EQ, AC, DAOC, Horizons, Shadowbane, Lineage II, WOW, Guild Wars, Eve, DDO, COX, SWG, SL, LOTRO, HGL, and TR to name a few. I fail to see where AoC does not stack up well against those games. Maybe it's my play style, or maybe I am too old for this forum. In any case, AoC is a game that a lot of people find entertaining, and it's getting pretty old seeing wave after wave of mindless drones bash the game based on fluff that we don't even need right now.
I am sorry, but if you exploited to 80 in 36 hours or rushed there in 72, then decided the game sucks, maybe you are not right for the MMO genre. Personally, I am not a fan of raid gringing and I enjoy the journey of this game. I am in no rush, and my play experience has been enchanced for it. MMOs are not supposed to be about raids. They are supposed to be about immersion, and many, many, many PC Gamers are telling us with our wallets that they are immersed.
You're not? The fact that the game isn't for you does not mean it's broken. Get over yourselves.
Now, if they don't come out with content in the next few months, that will be panic time. Until then, the game is doing just fine, and has already improved more since launch than Hellgate or Tabula Rasa.
Damn dude you played Horizons? That game was nuggets for real. Most missing content EVAR in an mmo.
because every MMo do it. Nice excuse over there. Yeah polish the car without tires. So that you can stare at it whole day long and wonder how it would feel to drive it.
Some people polish their cars and never drive it, like old people.
Anyways with other MMOs doing it shouldn't we expect this from any MMO? Do we really need to treat it as if this is the first time it's ever happened??
Current MMO: Aion
MMO Watch: Warhammer 40k Online, SWToR, GW2.
Played: Planetside, SWG, EQ, EQ2, L2, WoW, RFO, KAL, MxO, Voyage, RO,Vanguard,Tabula Rasa, Horizons, CoH/CoV,, Lotro, FFXI
First MMO: Everquest (Tunare Server, Ronin/Tide Guild)
Fixed.
Maybe next time I will use the exploding gasoline tanks of the Ford Pinto and Crown Victoria, or the GM fuel tanks exploding because they were mounted outside the frame, as an example. That is what I like about fanbois, they set the bar for a product low, and make excuses when a manufacturer fails to achieve it. No wonder we get products that continually strive hard to be mediocre.
I don't understand the big deal. If there isn't enough content for you at the launch of an MMO just wait a few months. You complain that you would rather have them delay the game and release it more polished, but it takes longer to get things fixed and fixed right in beta than when it's live. So instead of waiting on a 6 month delay you can just wait 3 months while those of us that ACTUALLY LIKE THE GAME can play and talk about it constructively.
Most of the people on here that troll around (the same 15-20 people with alt accounts too! Bonus!) either never even played the game, or played for two or three days. They just can't leave it alone and have to post here day after day about how bad the game is, and most of their info is outdated. It is ridiculous. Why is it so hard to let people who enjoy something talk constructively about it, and find something you enjoy yourself? There's a concept.
The PC market right now is quite quiet so I would expect AOC to make a mark. I suspect spore will make another mark in September. Though in the UK shelf space for PC games is very low most space is taken over to consoles (spit!). Maybe PC games have gone more indie, maybe people use there PC for work, myabe stupid system specs have pushed people away ? Who knows ?
Secondly, lets stop the comparison from cars to software. Software is and continues to be released shoddily. Development times and money overruns and many companies simply release as they need to recoup some costs. Many seem to go for a hope and pray we'll accept it attitude (VG anyone?). There are only a handful of developers which hold up a vey high standard (Bethesda maybe ?). If cars were like this we be all dead within the first week in some hideous pile up. Personally, I am all for pressure on developers to polish and add good amount of quality content and stay on schedule. I blame marketing for making the reality and expectations very seperate, I also blame people who buy anything because the nice pretty pre rendered images told them to. Hell quake wars was released for consoles in the UK and the back of the box has ZERO in game images ...
For AOC, I suspect more hype than substance (too many valid criticisms), though AOC is probably not completley dreadful. Though I am not paying money to find out right now, I'll see what AOC is like in 4 months times. If AOC is destined to be a classic then four months will do nothing.
lolol mister op
The naysayers are not so stupid to buy a car that is "promised" to get new tires in a week....
Now... for the rest of your logic - NOt worth talking about since you fell on the first hirdle.
More assumptions from a guy who knows it all. Constructive talk is not just based on positive experiance or the ppl that like or love the game. Its fine to point out the obvious even tho it is not positive for the Devs.
NOw - YOu keep trolling telling everyone that 10 ppl in total dislike what Funcom delivered with AOC. Sorry mister - thats not very constructive is it ?