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Believe the Hype? Is Vanguard is now Overrated?
donjn
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Is the recent the hype on this game is too much? Has Sony improved this game?
I have a really nice system. I can run everything well including Age of Conan. To me, Vanguard still seems unoptimized. I love the idea of one connecting world, but in 30 years of PC gaming, I have never seen a game where the FPS is LOWER in dungeons, ever. With several mobs on the screen my FPS stayed around 25 and in some cases dropped to 20. For some of you, this is fine. For me, it's not. Your FPS should always be higher in dungeons. I wonder what happens when there is a large group? Recently there was a "non-hitching" patch to help with a stuttering issues in this game. Even with that the performance still lacks in areas. One answer Sony had was to "nerf" the water. The water in this game currently looks as bad as any MMO out there.
There are holes in the world. In several gaming sessions, upon swimming and coming up to the shoreline, I kept swimming and went underneath the world. I found these holes all over the place. Surely these issues should have been fixed already? But no, they are all over the place, and instantly kill immersion.
There are also flickering graphics, and missing textures like wind mills. Doors are completely missing so you can't see right through the building until you get real close, and then they appear. Once they are in memory and loaded up close, they stay visible until you restart the game. Textures likes fences, rocks and haystacks pop in....out...and back in when walking towards them. If you enjoy mining you may not like the frequency of bugged nodes. You can usually tell this when your character starts swinging without a pick axe in his hand! And if you don't hit the escape key he will keep mining on and on; an endless loop without getting anything. There are also annoying flickering textures while wearing diplomat and harvesting outfits, etc.
Vanguard has a huge, open world, that is mostly...boring. Lets face it, Vanguard is huge. I like that. What I don't like is hillside after hillside of terrain that is largely uninteresting.
Overcomplicated crafting system. You cant just smelt, no you have to fuel the fire, and do all these other little things like an annoying mini-game. And then things can go wrong, and now you need a special tool to fix the issue. Once you get that fixed you keep working and working and finally get that product. MMO's should not be work. They should be fun.
What does Vanguard do well? Well for starters the dialog is written quite well. I would argue that Vanguard is one of the best written MMO's. It is not 8th grade reading for sure. The quests are also interesting. I also love the classes. The graphics look great and the combat is pretty good as well, but the issues I mentioned above were just too much for me to overcome. And although one can argue that a bulk of these issues I listed were aesthetic ones, polish is polish. And Vanguard still lacks it in many areas.
Has Vanguard improved? You bet. Has it improved enough to give it a shot over LOTRO, WoW with it's new expansion, Warhammer and Age of Conan? No way..
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Noone hypes Vanguard but like 10 people on this forum...
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Talking about SWG much?
Sounded vaguely reasonable until the last paragraph, all of the mentioned games excluding Warhammer which is an unknown, are complete trash.
www.massively.com/2008/05/22/player-vs-everything-singing-the-praises-of-vanguard/
I think your statement above is completely unreasonable.
If you are going to sit here and tell me WoW, LOTRO and Age of Conan are COMPLETE trash, you should give up MMO's.
There you go
-- Brede
huh? I edited my link so it is clickable now..
I think your statement above is completely unreasonable.
If you are going to sit here and tell me WoW, LOTRO and Age of Conan are COMPLETE trash, you should give up MMO's.
Why? Because i have standards? All of them games are unimaginative, derivative,childish, trash. The genre is at it's lowest point. Just because there is no choice doesn't automatically make the aforementioned games master piece's. Kung Fu panda is one of the only new film releases, but just because nothing else is about should i put it on a par with Citizen Kane? See my point?
www.massively.com/2008/05/22/player-vs-everything-singing-the-praises-of-vanguard/
Your point is?
Vanguard doesn't have many subs and noone cares about it and most people still think it's garbage. This is like the people left playing SWG who say how great it is now lol.
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Talking about SWG much?
I think your statement above is completely unreasonable.
If you are going to sit here and tell me WoW, LOTRO and Age of Conan are COMPLETE trash, you should give up MMO's.
Why? Because i have standards? All of them games are unimaginative, derivative,childish, trash. The genre is at it's lowest point. Just because there is no choice doesn't automatically make the aforementioned games master piece's. Kung Fu panda is one of the only new film releases, but just because nothing else is about should i put it on a par with Citizen Kane? See my point?
I agree but WOW is the best out of all the trash on the mmo market today because I can only pick out two good mmorpgs which are WOW and EVE.
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Talking about SWG much?
sounds like some of you need to go fps like planetside. You crave immediate gratification and want other people to feel a harsh "reality" experience. Before I started mmorpg I read BOOKS likes dragonlance line, forgotten realms, choose your own adventure line, piers anthony series (xanth is best but bio of a space tyrant ack), lotr, hobbit, ect, ect, ect. If its not too much keep following-- Then met a friend who got me into the ssi series of games like pool of radiance, curse of the azure bonds, pool of darkness, and shattered lands. It wasnt too long before I found my way into AC1 via my friend Pietro V.
Take it from me AC1 lacked huge depth at least at that time and at least to me and my friends, i found the game experience a step above atari but that was it. It was cool to re-enact some of the fighting sequences I read about but again it felt more like the game was about who can jump the highest than anything else and who can find a pathing bug to kill mobs the easiest. When I say a game lacks depth I speak in terms of immersion where your character feels like you are in an expanding fantasy book, I know that games are changing from immersion to instant gratification-- just add water and stir for 5 minutes while this guy over here thinks the game world should be more "real". You dont find a harsh world by grouping and /ooc-ing for a guild at every possible moment. These are the types of leets that want a truly harsh game envirenment while a soloist wants to be saturated with the length and depth of a seamless game world while being on a razors edge. In my experience a person that dont want a harsh experience naturally wants to be babyfied and starts crying for a group/guild. You want true immersion then think twice before grouping and never guild unless they get on their knees and beg you.
After AC1 I found EQ1-- ahh, a breath of fresh air with the BEST terrain based fighting period. You had many choices and the questing truly felt like it was up to you for there was no maps, no allakazahm. YOU get it done or abandon it like you would a book. EQ1 encaptured that "choose your own adventure" flawlessly. I started playing during the time factions took its toll and sometimes zoning got you out of harm (RZ) for the death experience wasnt something you want repeatedly. I hated the vassal allegiance system in AC1 because it birthed the beginnings of spammers in your face, while in eq1 people did acts of kindness and it wasnt any big deal. It wasnt until the "community" started to bitch and gripe about woe is me and its unfair did the term "nerf" bat ever take place and hardly anyone during that time understand why a melee person couldnt bring a sword to a bow fight.
Currently, games are just watered down based on nerfing a true vision of class abilities (balance bs) and terrain based fighting and it was more or less because of the community that I left EQ1 and the abandonment of their original vision. Now, it seems to me that Vanguard has more than a hint of immersion and terrain based fighting (non-sticky or rooted toe to toe fighting). It has that choose your own adventure immersion feel and with it keeps the "oh its not harsh look at me" people that you find ingame pleading for a group/guild.
I think your statement above is completely unreasonable.
If you are going to sit here and tell me WoW, LOTRO and Age of Conan are COMPLETE trash, you should give up MMO's.
Why? Because i have standards? All of them games are unimaginative, derivative,childish, trash. The genre is at it's lowest point. Just because there is no choice doesn't automatically make the aforementioned games master piece's. Kung Fu panda is one of the only new film releases, but just because nothing else is about should i put it on a par with Citizen Kane? See my point?
You have standards and because I like WoW and AoC I dont? lol
Get off of your high horse. I am sorry that the games I play aren't "highbrow" enough for you. You are such a complicated individual that you deserve more than what is spoon fed to rest of us..
Did I ever call the aforementioned games "masterpieces"? Nope.
Okay then, I will bite. YOU tell me some of the best MMO's ever made. Go on, lets see your top three best MMO's? By the way don't bother using movies as an example. I am well aware the differences of how box office hits like Armageddon are much worse than films like Shawshank Redemption, which did not do too well at the box office originally.
I happen to think WoW and AoC are pretty darn good.
Maybe perhaps what you are searching for, you will never find..
www.massively.com/2008/05/22/player-vs-everything-singing-the-praises-of-vanguard/
Your point is?
Vanguard doesn't have many subs and noone cares about it and most people still think it's garbage. This is like the people left playing SWG who say how great it is now lol.
My point is that you said only people on mmorpg.com are giving it hype. I gave you a link to prove otherwise. Wow, that may be the first time I have given someone evidence to prove them wrong and they reply "your point is?"
Vanguard does not have many subs however there is some common sense that they are gaining subscriptions. And dont ask me for proof unless you can show me their latest numbers to prove their subs are still very low.
Most of you guys are taking my last sentence and turning it into the whole point of this thread. Reading comprehension is brutal here.
If you get the gist of my post, is that, YOU yourself can plug in any two or three of YOUR favorite games into that last sentence. Everything is relative.
What is "better"? A good portion of it is personal opinion. Do you like PvP, crafting, etc?
The point is, Vanguard is still not as good (and may never be) as good as a whole list of games (which I wont list because if I do, someone will say X game sucks)
Come on people...
Responding only to OPs title. Yes, Vanguard is wonderful. Some of my best memories are from that game. Many will say no, but i whole heartedly recommend it.
Wish you luck
I'm sorry but Vanguard rocks
That review from Massively accurately summarizes the game ..Eurogame also reviewed it again positively
It is going through a revival ...thats a fact
The game is totally playable now ...the dev's have done great work. It offers a endless choice of quests and a detailed world to explore.A really excellent choice for a PVE experience.
Don't believe it ...run the game down..stick your head in the sand ...it's irrelevant.
We enjoy it and the numbers of returning players are growing..thx AOC
See you in Telon
"after the time of dice came the day of mice "
Boy ain't that the truth! Especially the comment about Allakhazam and the maps. No "!", "?" or other symbol to identify whether an NPC would give you a quest or not. YOU had to talk with everyone and find out. Granted, it might've been tedious, but then again, I wasn't always looking for quests like a lot of the MMO's have nowadays, sometimes I was just passing by, you know, being my character with the hopes that some day I would become a "legendary hero" (Yes, I used to RP when playing EQ) Now everything's become more about who can get to higher level first and get epic first, only to be brought down by the next schmuck who also reaches high level and epic armor.
www.massively.com/2008/05/22/player-vs-everything-singing-the-praises-of-vanguard/
Your point is?
Vanguard doesn't have many subs and noone cares about it and most people still think it's garbage. This is like the people left playing SWG who say how great it is now lol.
My point is that you said only people on mmorpg.com are giving it hype. I gave you a link to prove otherwise. Wow, that may be the first time I have given someone evidence to prove them wrong and they reply "your point is?"
Vanguard does not have many subs however there is some common sense that they are gaining subscriptions. And dont ask me for proof unless you can show me their latest numbers to prove their subs are still very low.
lol well I think thats pretty obvious.
Their latest numbers? SOE have never released any sub numbers so there is no proof. What we all know though is Vanguard has a tiny tiny playerbase and that the game is shit, how people can play the game with them character models I don't know.
Obviously some people in this world just have no taste.
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Talking about SWG much?
Also. The progress the game made after the disaster launch was none... to put it short. But i thank SOE for making it the game it is today. Loved reading those first patches after they took over. "This patch includes 600+ bug fixes, and memory leak should be fixed" ..
I heard SOE polished VG pretty well and I was thinking of playing it again once I build my new computer. I never got to far into crafting but I like games that are challenging and complex , not gather these items and this recipe and you automaticly make it thats just gay IMHO. Hell if they made it so you had to have the right size leather and sow it together that wold be bad ass. Or you had to sit there and hammer out the armor and swords Id still do it. Then there woulld be people known for how good of a crafter by there skill.
Im currently playing EQ2 and I enjoy the crafting system there too its a lot more entertaining than just automaticly making items with out no concequences.
So the water in VG hasent gotten any better? That was one thing that I didnt like, but I had it on balenced settings so that could have been my problem... But its nothing game breaking there are so many cool Ideas in that game that can make me over look it.
Bottom line was the game wasn't read to be released, Some people weren't ready for this big and complex of a game and they're computers wern't either. Thats why so many people said this game sucked. They were all used to getting good FPS playing WOW on they're average computer and had to make VG look like crap to get decent FR. I admit one of the reasons why I quit cuz I coulndt play this game at the quality I wanted, but also a bunch of friends started LOTRO. I wish I would have just upgraded my computer and told all my friends to play VG but they would have had to upgrade there computers also.
But I really hope SOE gives 2 months free for VG like they did with EQ2 cuz It would give a bunch of people a chance to get back into a potentally awesome game that they got screwed on at launch.
JustBe is a close minded nut it would seem
www.massively.com/2008/05/22/player-vs-everything-singing-the-praises-of-vanguard/
Your point is?
Vanguard doesn't have many subs and noone cares about it and most people still think it's garbage. This is like the people left playing SWG who say how great it is now lol.
My point is that you said only people on mmorpg.com are giving it hype. I gave you a link to prove otherwise. Wow, that may be the first time I have given someone evidence to prove them wrong and they reply "your point is?"
Vanguard does not have many subs however there is some common sense that they are gaining subscriptions. And dont ask me for proof unless you can show me their latest numbers to prove their subs are still very low.
lol well I think thats pretty obvious.
Their latest numbers? SOE have never released any sub numbers so there is no proof. What we all know though is Vanguard has a tiny tiny playerbase and that the game is shit, how people can play the game with them character models I don't know.
Obviously some people in this world just have no taste.
Maybe because people care more about gameplay rather than character models?
And i know each 10 of them too they've made sure i was banned eachtime i trashed this game. Vanguard still is in the same state GARBAGE.
www.massively.com/2008/05/22/player-vs-everything-singing-the-praises-of-vanguard/
And this proves what justbe was saying if u see the comments at the bottom you see about 10 of the same people going back in forth on this.
And you are playing Age of conan .. hehehe
Vanguard has become very much overrated as of late. People are pretty much saying it's the best thing since sliced bread lately and that's far from the truth. It has an open world... whoohoo... so does WoW.