The real question he is trying to outline is would all of the SWG Pre-CU/CU vets STILL subbed knowing that the NGE was being developed for 6 months? As a SUBSCRIBING customer to an ongoing sandbox game in which you have houses, belongings, skills, and hundreds of hours of gametime, DESERVE to know that the game was secretly being changed in 6 months to the degree it would no longer be the same game? Did the PAYING customers deserve to know that the game would not exist in November of 2005? I believe they did deserve to know, and there is a BIG reason they weren't told -- Subscription money. It's that simple. SOE/LA used that money to code a new game instead of fix the existing game. So it was a LOT more than half a month of subscription money they essentially stole from the customers. SOE knew full well that if they told us about the NGE when they began coding it that most of us would quit that month, so they kept it a secret. Doesn't take much intelligence to figure that one out.
Bingo.
Had SOE told us "hey gang we've decided to revamp the entire game" we likely would have quit immediately. So instead SOE decided to lie to us for the 6 months+ the NGE was being worked on to keep us paying.
Whenever a jedi player would ask "hey when is FRS coming back ?" the reply wasnt "never" it was "soon" This clearly was done to keep taking our money.
If the 200,000 had prior warning and quit, SOE would have had to pay the NGE costs out of their own pockets. So Smedly decides why not lie and get the players to pay for the new game. And a couple of years later Smedly thinks a flimsy apology will make things all better lol ??? The only thing Smedly was sorry for was that his sleazly ploy didnt get the wow numbers he predicted. He certainly wasnt sorry for screwing over the players and stealing our money.
And make no mistake, SOE admitted publicly they knew the majority of players would quit over the NGE. Therefore keeping the NGE a secret was clearly an act of THEFT.
How can the current players justify playing this game ? Or a better question, why would you trust them not to do it again ???
I completely agree. SOE did completely screw us. I mean, I payed from 2003 to Nov 2005. Normally, when you pay these fees, you expect to be paying for what your getting plus updates (meaning fixes, and additional content). Never would people say, "Yes, I'll pay $15 a month, please make sure you change the game twice in one year and make my current accomplishments worthless."
Ya, I'm sure thats what people would be saying.
But, not 3 years after the whole mess, I just miss playing an an sw mmo. I miss what i had. Please, the people that go around telling people to get a life, TRUST ME I HAVE A LIFE!!!!! But, swg was a way to relex for me in my down time. I no longer have that, and I yearn for something like it. Thats why I want to retry it. Not even thinking about what SOE did 3 years ago, and might do again. I'm probably making a big mistake, but I need to play a sw mmo LOL
Favourite Game SWG - Sabanak, Retired Jedi, Bria
Playing: Nothing
Waiting for: SWG Pre-CU
Retired: SWG, CoX, Vanguard, MxO, Guildwars, Archlord, Auto Assault, EQ2, Final Fantasy XI, Lineage 2, Saga of Ryzom, DAOC, WoW, AOC, WAR
Since this 30 days free does not include a free transfer to another server ,I really don't want to go back to Kauri to run into about 20 peeps and 18 of them speak only in French. PASS!
Since this 30 days free does not include a free transfer to another server ,I really don't want to go back to Kauri to run into about 20 peeps and 18 of them speak only in French. PASS!
The french already bailed. The ones left now simply refuse to give $OE anymore $$$ and intend to go down with the ship so to speak.
Heh, well this thread started as an invitation or so I thought... Funny I had a few questions about this group on Kettemoor and everyone was too busy flaming one another to awnser them. Way to send out the welcome wagon.
sorry but it wasnt stolen money...the money you paid was for time following the payment....so at most you lost half of the month of November ....tops......
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
sorry but it wasnt stolen money...the money you paid was for time following the payment....so at most you lost half of the month of November ....tops......
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
yeah I did go back for two weeks on a free vet trial. I certainly wouldnt pay for SWG. And I got zero responses when trying to buy resources to dabble in chef crafting. 99% of the players I ran across are pvp lootbags who dont even know that eggs and milk exist.
Nice try though Obraik. Cant argue with the fact that SOE stole money so lets attack the messenger rather than the message.
My house is paid up for 700 days, long enough to ensure it will be there when they shut the game down for good. And I'll be back to say good riddance once last time.
I got 1-2 days left on my trial, stop by and see my in Mos Eisely. Im the one spamming in protest that SOE stole our game....enjoy. Course knowing you, Ill get reported for ruining your experience
sorry but it wasnt stolen money...the money you paid was for time following the payment....so at most you lost half of the month of November ....tops......
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
yeah I did go back for two weeks on a free vet trial. I certainly wouldnt pay for SWG. And I got zero responses when trying to buy resources to dabble in chef crafting. 99% of the players I ran across are pvp lootbags who dont even know that eggs and milk exist.
Nice try though Obraik. Cant argue with the fact that SOE stole money so lets attack the messenger rather than the message.
My house is paid up for 700 days, long enough to ensure it will be there when they shut the game down for good. And I'll be back to say good riddance once last time.
I got 1-2 days left on my trial, stop by and see my in Mos Eisely. Im the one spamming in protest that SOE stole our game....enjoy. Course knowing you, Ill get reported for ruining your experience
Was certainly more then 2 weeks and from what you said in your posts on the GPD forum, you said you had subbed because there's no other MMO worth playing.
Also, paying up your houses for whatever number of days is a waste of time and credits. They pack up houses based on the last time you subbed your account.
Where did you read there were 30 days free for vets? How long must one be away from the game to be eligible?
I am baffled at how it works as I have 5 accounts and it is somewhat random which ones get activated for vet trials. Last month 2 were up and now those are down and the other 3 are up.
Erm, no, not all vets have 30 days free starting right now. Because I participated in the last vet trial, which was in May. So, no publish-related vet trial for me!
Same here. However, my old only-for-trials account did not get the May vet trial, but is Pending now.
sorry but it wasnt stolen money...the money you paid was for time following the payment....so at most you lost half of the month of November ....tops......
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
yeah I did go back for two weeks on a free vet trial. I certainly wouldnt pay for SWG. And I got zero responses when trying to buy resources to dabble in chef crafting. 99% of the players I ran across are pvp lootbags who dont even know that eggs and milk exist.
Nice try though Obraik. Cant argue with the fact that SOE stole money so lets attack the messenger rather than the message.
My house is paid up for 700 days, long enough to ensure it will be there when they shut the game down for good. And I'll be back to say good riddance once last time.
I got 1-2 days left on my trial, stop by and see my in Mos Eisely. Im the one spamming in protest that SOE stole our game....enjoy. Course knowing you, Ill get reported for ruining your experience
Was certainly more then 2 weeks and from what you said in your posts on the GPD forum, you said you had subbed because there's no other MMO worth playing.
Also, paying up your houses for whatever number of days is a waste of time and credits. They pack up houses based on the last time you subbed your account.
Better grab a link to that post Obraik, before it gets edited.
I wasn't talking about your pics I mean the others who post in response with pics, you never know, a screenshot of the account activation date would be more fitting if you wanted to prove most haven't played Pre-CU. There's no doubt in my mind you haven't, as I said different tastes for different people.
Why would anyone lie about playing during pre-cu ? I can go take a screen of my registration date which would be August 03 but why bother ? Starting when I did doesn't add any validity to my opinion over someone who did not start at that time .
It would also seem by your statement you are saying Nikoz wasn't around during Pre-cu . As another member of Bloodfin I can attest to him being there , I was in -FIGHT - who was a pretty stern enemy of his guild -VEA-
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Erm, no, not all vets have 30 days free starting right now. Because I participated in the last vet trial, which was in May. So, no publish-related vet trial for me!
Same here. However, my old only-for-trials account did not get the May vet trial, but is Pending now.
Mine didn't say anything under my subscriptions like EQ, EQ2 and Vanguard had. However I installed SWG for my boy since I'll probably get the station pass or whatever it is. Sure enough I could log into SWG.
Well I've now had a email stating my account is reactivated, and I STILL can't log in. Can't say I'm surprised really.
They want to be able to count your account as active but they don't actually want you in-game where you might reveal the truth to their paying sheep--I mean customers.
The reason that some accounts haven't been activated are as follows:
1. Your account shared the email address of another SWG account. I believe the most recent one is this case will be activated. (This happened to me)
2. You already had a free reactivation period. (This also happened to me)
If it's the 1st case you might be able to send in a ticket, but I'd recommend being really clear and asking to raise to tier 2 tech support, as they are generally the people that get things done for me.
I have two accounts, my main one and a trial I made over 18 months ago. My trial got the free days, which was interesting.
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Bingo.
Had SOE told us "hey gang we've decided to revamp the entire game" we likely would have quit immediately. So instead SOE decided to lie to us for the 6 months+ the NGE was being worked on to keep us paying.
Whenever a jedi player would ask "hey when is FRS coming back ?" the reply wasnt "never" it was "soon" This clearly was done to keep taking our money.
If the 200,000 had prior warning and quit, SOE would have had to pay the NGE costs out of their own pockets. So Smedly decides why not lie and get the players to pay for the new game. And a couple of years later Smedly thinks a flimsy apology will make things all better lol ??? The only thing Smedly was sorry for was that his sleazly ploy didnt get the wow numbers he predicted. He certainly wasnt sorry for screwing over the players and stealing our money.
And make no mistake, SOE admitted publicly they knew the majority of players would quit over the NGE. Therefore keeping the NGE a secret was clearly an act of THEFT.
How can the current players justify playing this game ? Or a better question, why would you trust them not to do it again ???
I completely agree. SOE did completely screw us. I mean, I payed from 2003 to Nov 2005. Normally, when you pay these fees, you expect to be paying for what your getting plus updates (meaning fixes, and additional content). Never would people say, "Yes, I'll pay $15 a month, please make sure you change the game twice in one year and make my current accomplishments worthless."
Ya, I'm sure thats what people would be saying.
But, not 3 years after the whole mess, I just miss playing an an sw mmo. I miss what i had. Please, the people that go around telling people to get a life, TRUST ME I HAVE A LIFE!!!!! But, swg was a way to relex for me in my down time. I no longer have that, and I yearn for something like it. Thats why I want to retry it. Not even thinking about what SOE did 3 years ago, and might do again. I'm probably making a big mistake, but I need to play a sw mmo LOL
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SWG - Sabanak, Retired Jedi, Bria
Playing: Nothing
Waiting for: SWG Pre-CU
Retired: SWG, CoX, Vanguard, MxO, Guildwars, Archlord, Auto Assault, EQ2, Final Fantasy XI,
Lineage 2, Saga of Ryzom, DAOC, WoW, AOC, WAR
Since this 30 days free does not include a free transfer to another server ,I really don't want to go back to Kauri to run into about 20 peeps and 18 of them speak only in French. PASS!
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The french already bailed. The ones left now simply refuse to give $OE anymore $$$ and intend to go down with the ship so to speak.
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Oops.
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Heh, well this thread started as an invitation or so I thought... Funny I had a few questions about this group on Kettemoor and everyone was too busy flaming one another to awnser them. Way to send out the welcome wagon.
-Dailus
lol my alt sub got the free time but not my main good old soe still i see
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
yeah I did go back for two weeks on a free vet trial. I certainly wouldnt pay for SWG. And I got zero responses when trying to buy resources to dabble in chef crafting. 99% of the players I ran across are pvp lootbags who dont even know that eggs and milk exist.
Nice try though Obraik. Cant argue with the fact that SOE stole money so lets attack the messenger rather than the message.
My house is paid up for 700 days, long enough to ensure it will be there when they shut the game down for good. And I'll be back to say good riddance once last time.
I got 1-2 days left on my trial, stop by and see my in Mos Eisely. Im the one spamming in protest that SOE stole our game....enjoy. Course knowing you, Ill get reported for ruining your experience
Where did you read there were 30 days free for vets? How long must one be away from the game to be eligible?
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
yeah I did go back for two weeks on a free vet trial. I certainly wouldnt pay for SWG. And I got zero responses when trying to buy resources to dabble in chef crafting. 99% of the players I ran across are pvp lootbags who dont even know that eggs and milk exist.
Nice try though Obraik. Cant argue with the fact that SOE stole money so lets attack the messenger rather than the message.
My house is paid up for 700 days, long enough to ensure it will be there when they shut the game down for good. And I'll be back to say good riddance once last time.
I got 1-2 days left on my trial, stop by and see my in Mos Eisely. Im the one spamming in protest that SOE stole our game....enjoy. Course knowing you, Ill get reported for ruining your experience
Was certainly more then 2 weeks and from what you said in your posts on the GPD forum, you said you had subbed because there's no other MMO worth playing.
Also, paying up your houses for whatever number of days is a waste of time and credits. They pack up houses based on the last time you subbed your account.
I just installed the 14day trial and I must say, it does bring back old memories.
I am baffled at how it works as I have 5 accounts and it is somewhat random which ones get activated for vet trials. Last month 2 were up and now those are down and the other 3 are up.
Same here. However, my old only-for-trials account did not get the May vet trial, but is Pending now.
not even close....
The NGE took 6+ months to develop in secret. Thats 6 months of paying devs with my subscription fees to make a new game behind our backs. My subscription fees are supposed to pay for fixing bugs and adding content for the game Im playing. Its not meant for the developer to use in any other way. This is why we pay a monthly fee folks.
The expansion was sold to us without informing us that in 2 weeks the game would be completely changed. For me, thats two copies $60 down the drain.
Finally, SOE wouldnt refund our money for prepaid accounts. I had 8 months left on two accounts for Star Wars Galaxies. SOE threw my game in the trash then expected me to be happy to have paid for a new product. We deserved a refund. I didnt buy a quasi-fps beta stage game.
200,000 players didnt just quit for no reason. They objected to the outright stealing and lying SOE did.
To quote Dylan Thomas, "we will not go gently into that good night"
The interesting thing was that you have been actively playing on Chilastra again recently. I've seen you logging in pretty much daily, posting on the Chilastra forums looking for items to buy in game (like the exceptional milk and eggs), posting lfg threads for heroics and posting all over the GPD forum (one of which was a copy-paste of what you posted on these forums...).
yeah I did go back for two weeks on a free vet trial. I certainly wouldnt pay for SWG. And I got zero responses when trying to buy resources to dabble in chef crafting. 99% of the players I ran across are pvp lootbags who dont even know that eggs and milk exist.
Nice try though Obraik. Cant argue with the fact that SOE stole money so lets attack the messenger rather than the message.
My house is paid up for 700 days, long enough to ensure it will be there when they shut the game down for good. And I'll be back to say good riddance once last time.
I got 1-2 days left on my trial, stop by and see my in Mos Eisely. Im the one spamming in protest that SOE stole our game....enjoy. Course knowing you, Ill get reported for ruining your experience
Was certainly more then 2 weeks and from what you said in your posts on the GPD forum, you said you had subbed because there's no other MMO worth playing.
Also, paying up your houses for whatever number of days is a waste of time and credits. They pack up houses based on the last time you subbed your account.
Better grab a link to that post Obraik, before it gets edited.
I wasn't talking about your pics I mean the others who post in response with pics, you never know, a screenshot of the account activation date would be more fitting if you wanted to prove most haven't played Pre-CU. There's no doubt in my mind you haven't, as I said different tastes for different people.
Why would anyone lie about playing during pre-cu ? I can go take a screen of my registration date which would be August 03 but why bother ? Starting when I did doesn't add any validity to my opinion over someone who did not start at that time .
It would also seem by your statement you are saying Nikoz wasn't around during Pre-cu . As another member of Bloodfin I can attest to him being there , I was in -FIGHT - who was a pretty stern enemy of his guild -VEA-
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Same here. However, my old only-for-trials account did not get the May vet trial, but is Pending now.
Mine didn't say anything under my subscriptions like EQ, EQ2 and Vanguard had. However I installed SWG for my boy since I'll probably get the station pass or whatever it is. Sure enough I could log into SWG.
Well I've now had a email stating my account is reactivated, and I STILL can't log in. Can't say I'm surprised really.
They want to be able to count your account as active but they don't actually want you in-game where you might reveal the truth to their paying sheep--I mean customers.
The reason that some accounts haven't been activated are as follows:
1. Your account shared the email address of another SWG account. I believe the most recent one is this case will be activated. (This happened to me)
2. You already had a free reactivation period. (This also happened to me)
If it's the 1st case you might be able to send in a ticket, but I'd recommend being really clear and asking to raise to tier 2 tech support, as they are generally the people that get things done for me.
I have two accounts, my main one and a trial I made over 18 months ago. My trial got the free days, which was interesting.
got the email for both of my accounts and both of my wifes accounts and cannot log in on any of them no change on the accounts page either.
nice way to encourage people to resub lmao
The sad reality is that this game is so poorly designed and kept that most people would not play it for free.