Well, he is right, anyone who has played this game knows about going up stairs and the camera shaking... It's a small thing but it drove me crazy. And yeah there are alot of bugs with map and the UI freezing, the rift map gets bugged all the time and you have to /flush it quite a bit. He is not making it up. Maybe you need to chill out a little and take a deep breath. I love this game but its still got issues... It is however, alot better than it was, and it is quite playable now. Thats all Vanguard really needed was to be playable cause it is truly a fantastic game.
VG isn't for kids. this game is for "mature players". We don't need one fast food mmo
You can't explore all the game in 1/2 months, you can't craft a boat in 15 days, that's impossible in VG. You'll have to take your time, and that's good. It takes time to discover a dungeon ... to find an area.
No more "poor content" games (last one : AOC)
We need good games and Imo VG is the best PVE mmo on the market.
For the pvp take a look at Eve DAOC and WWIIOL. (never played LII)
- EVE/DAOC/WWIIOL for the PVP
- VG for the PVE. (never played EQ1 but can't play EQ2...)
I'm a casual player. But i don't like "new mmos": you pay 50€ then you play 1 month then you stop (no content) so you need another one. This is a MMORPG. Not a FPS or hack n slash. maybe the last one. So you 'd better play it...
I tried Vanguard recently. I was pleased at first. But after a week the following issues got to me:
A tedious crafting system A tedious Diplomacy mini-game Flickering textures all over the place. Windmills missing, doors missing, flickering clothing, flickering hay stacks/rocks, etc The ONLY MMO where your framerate is much WORSE in a dungeon than outside Bugged mining nodes all over the place A large world, but mostly empty Worst looking water ever. Does not fit with the rest of the graphics which are nice. Dreary un-colorful graphics, much like EQ2. It's as if someone placed a grey filter over everything. Falling through the world multiple times, mostly when swimming Brutal animations
Over a year and these issues are still present. Vanguard sucks.
Vanguard sux .. for you
Been playing more than a month & got none of these issues. None.
You work for Sony. Even fanbois admit to most of these issues but look past them for other things. If NONE of these things EVER happen to you, you work for them. Sorry.
Crafting is the best I have seen in any game.
Diplomacy becomes more interesting as you progess as you have to use more stradegy/more cards. It also exposes the lore.
I have never had a flickering problem. I have not heard of people having a flickering problem. MIssing windmills?
The only time you have a framerate problem in a dungeon is if you are with an 18 person raid group.
I love the vastness of of the world. Much like the vastness of SWG. If you want to group you go to a popular area. If you want to go out and explore and get lost in the world you can. I have played other games where they squeeze and spoon feed content into little mini zones and find if very linear... mind numbing.
I think the water is awesome. Check out some of the rivers, rapids and waterfalls.
I dont care for cartoony characters. VG reflects colors that are more true to life.
Originally posted by Ugarit I'm a casual player. But i don't like "new mmos": you pay 50€ then you play 1 month then you stop (no content) so you need another one. This is a MMORPG. Not a FPS or hack n slash. maybe the last one. So you 'd better play it...
With the hysteria about VG not being casual friendly that went on a year or so back, and still do in a minor way. I have always felt the opposit. I dont expect to level a character to 50/50/50. But what is one big thig in this game is that you actually can play it casual without having a pressure of getting this or that. Ok a dungeon crawl will take up some time, there a bigger quest with alot of grinding done, but there is no apperant race to compete.
I still make a "fortune" with a level 18 blacksmith making horseshoes on the market, meaning I didn't need to get to level 50 crafter to make a use.
I don't know, maybe some other have same opinion as me but can write it down in a better way.
Diplomacy, was a waste of time then, and I hear its no better now.
Good run-down over all. But I disagree with your statement about diplomacy. Sure, it might not be for some folks, just like crafting is not for everybody... but I find it a very enjoyable sphere. It's not a money-maker yet, but it's interwoven into the game and it's very rewarding to provide schematics to guildies, to provide adventuring and crafting buffs to the locals, to provide key information needed in the Griffon quest... etc. etc. Plus the NT House quests are a lot of fun.
VG is a wash of dark colors. It's boring to look at. It's the same problem I have with EQ2. Compare Vanguard characters against Lord of the Rings characters. I don't like Lord of the Rings, but the world is much more colorful and interesting.
Heh, baloney Played em both, if you've got the horse-power to turn VG at it's higher settings, VG wins hands-down....
What was that you were saying about Vanguard's graphics better than LOTRO?
Here is LOTRO:
Best water in any MMO to date. Here is more:
And with this engine, you can maintain 70 fps easily throughout. Yes, Vanguard can look good with the graphics cranked up, however it comes with a price, regardless of how powerful your system is..
VG is a good immersive fun game, which yes, does have a few issues still, which we know are being worked on (and the last years history has shown that they are working on what they say they are). Its a good hardcore pve game for those who want that and dont mind a few bugs or glitches.
And EQ2 is not a grey washed out graphical game to whoever said that. If it looks that way to you, you need to turn on particle effects and lighting, and maybe think about getting a new monitor. Its so bright and colorful I have to sometimes turn the effects down so I'm not blinded.
And yes, LOTRO is very very pretty, but it lacks the immersion, content and customisation of either VG or EQ2 for me personally.
If graphics are all you look for in a game, then arguing for LOTRO is a safe bet, although if you have a decent spec PC, EQ2 may just take the win for looks. VG does have some way to go yet graphically, but if mature tough more realistic play is your thing, VG is the current winner.
And to the guy who was arguing about FPS in games, I get 60fps in EQ2 on max settings, 55fps in VG on max settings and 70FPS in LOTRO on max settings, so... its close enough to be unnoticable between games.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
What was that you were saying about Vanguard's graphics better than LOTRO? Here is LOTRO:
Best water in any MMO to date. Here is more:
And with this engine, you can maintain 70 fps easily throughout. Yes, Vanguard can look good with the graphics cranked up, however it comes with a price, regardless of how powerful your system is..
Supernice. Next time. Dont compare what you findto be worst with what you find to be best.
Look for the best screenshot of Vanguard and compare it to the best screenshot of LOTRO, in you opinion ofcourse. It may not change your opinion of what is looking best, but it may change how you look when saying it.
AMD will always be faster than Intel if you compare the best cpu from AMD with the worst cpu from Intel.
LoTRO had nice 'picturesqe' graphics, but most of what you saw you couldn't go to. I couldn't go atop a mountain range seen in the back ground and I couldn't go into the buildings in cities. In Vanguard, everything you see is actually there and can be explored. So yes, I could run LoTRO at a 120 fps because it was mostly a screen-saver. Vanguard runs at 40 fps, but it's rendering ALOT more stuff.
Vanguard has brought back EQ1 for me. It was the first mmrpg that I played and I enjoyed helping others or just sitting there talking and selling things. Every other game I play its all about the solo play. So many mmorpg games are all about you and not the team. I enjoy helping other in the game finish quest even if I have done them. When I get in a group and finish a hard quest line I get some real satisfaction that I have not got in along time. I don't know if other feel this way, but I do and the people who play this game I think feel that way. I'm going to resub and play this game for a long time.
I think what you people are forgetting is that in order to pump out those LotRO graphics, you still need a beast of a PC. Have you seen how terrible they look on low settings? Not bashing anything, just want the comparison to be fair.
I tried Vanguard again after the huge, and I mean huge, let down of Age of Conan. It's more than worth a second look. Are there still issues? Some. But the problem with Vanguard has always been optimization. There is a list of bugs that some people will experience every time while others willl never see once. The entire arguement is moot though, because in late August anyone will be able to try it out for free and make their own decision. Some will hate it but quite a few will enjoy it. This game tends to draw a more loyal following from people who remember the launch of EQ, etc.
It's a great game, certainly has its place among the other MMOs out there. Wait until August and try the trial for free and make your own decision. People putting artificial "benchmarks" on it and damming it for not meeting them are setting themselves up to hate it anyway. The list of issues most people have with the game have already been addressed or are on way to being fixed. Vanguard isn't going anywhere, for some reason this bugs some people who feel it should have crawled off into a corner and die, but didn't.
One of the reasons VG failed at release was, that not many people had the rig to run it well.
Now its one year later and VG still needs a good machine to run, but most people have now hardware which doesnt fold under the grafikpower of VG. So yeah, VG graphics are beautiful. Maybe not the best available but nice enough that I sometimes climb a mountain/walk to a building/whatever and simply make a screeny of the scenario Im seeing because its awesome.
One of the reasons VG failed at release was, that not many people had the rig to run it well. Now its one year later and VG still needs a good machine to run, but most people have now hardware which doesnt fold under the grafikpower of VG. So yeah, VG graphics are beautiful. Maybe not the best available but nice enough that I sometimes climb a mountain/walk to a building/whatever and simply make a screeny of the scenario Im seeing because its awesome.
Well performance wasn't strictly the issue at launch. Crashing every hour, horrendous memory leaks, crashing when chunking or worse dying, group issues up the wassu... These all were major problems that seem to be overlooked. VG today is nothing like VG at release.
Okay enough with the screenshots. That one Vanguard screenshot is about the best screenshot you can possibly find. I feel its gets worse from there, but that's my opinion.
We can argue screenshots all day, but ask yourself this...
Which game has a better graphics to performance ratio? In other words, which graphics engine is more efficient?
If you answer Vanguard, you have lost your mind...
Vanguard used the heavily modified Unreal Engine. Most people I have talked to agree this was a poor decision. LOTRO uses an engine developed specifically for that game by Turbine, who are network technology specialists. In many years of gaming, that engine still impresses me more than any other.
And no, I dont play LOTRO right now..
Technically, Vanguard has some areas where it outshines LOTRO. Mainly in bump mapping. Vanguard bump mapping is as good as AoC, and that IS saying something. But overall I feel that the color palette and performance of LOTRO, along with their gorgeous water effects and lighting, are better than Vanguard.
Okay enough with the screenshots. That one Vanguard screenshot is about the best screenshot you can possibly find. I feel its gets worse from there, but that's my opinion. We can argue screenshots all day, but ask yourself this... Which game has a better graphics to performance ratio? In other words, which graphics engine is more efficient? If you answer Vanguard, you have lost your mind... Vanguard used the heavily modified Unreal Engine. Most people I have talked to agree this was a poor decision. LOTRO uses an engine developed specifically for that game by Turbine, who are network technology specialists. In many years of gaming, that engine still impresses me more than any other. And no, I dont play LOTRO right now.. Technically, Vanguard has some areas where it outshines LOTRO. Mainly in bump mapping. Vanguard bump mapping is as good as AoC, and that IS saying something. But overall I feel that the color palette and performance of LOTRO, along with their gorgeous water effects and lighting, are better than Vanguard.
I wish I could post some screens I have taken on my own machine since I began to play again a couple of weeks back. They are really amazing, and it's not just one or two of them.. I take screens in MMO's all the time, I can choose any of the 100 or so screens I've taken of VG and guarantee it will be impressive in one way or another.
Now can someone tell me how to post a screen on here from Photobucket? at least give me the code!
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VG isn't for kids. this game is for "mature players". We don't need one fast food mmo
You can't explore all the game in 1/2 months, you can't craft a boat in 15 days, that's impossible in VG. You'll have to take your time, and that's good. It takes time to discover a dungeon ... to find an area.
No more "poor content" games (last one : AOC)
We need good games and Imo VG is the best PVE mmo on the market.
For the pvp take a look at Eve DAOC and WWIIOL. (never played LII)
- EVE/DAOC/WWIIOL for the PVP
- VG for the PVE. (never played EQ1 but can't play EQ2...)
I'm a casual player. But i don't like "new mmos": you pay 50€ then you play 1 month then you stop (no content) so you need another one. This is a MMORPG. Not a FPS or hack n slash. maybe the last one. So you 'd better play it...
Vanguard sux .. for you
Been playing more than a month & got none of these issues. None.
You work for Sony. Even fanbois admit to most of these issues but look past them for other things. If NONE of these things EVER happen to you, you work for them. Sorry.
Crafting is the best I have seen in any game.
Diplomacy becomes more interesting as you progess as you have to use more stradegy/more cards. It also exposes the lore.
I have never had a flickering problem. I have not heard of people having a flickering problem. MIssing windmills?
The only time you have a framerate problem in a dungeon is if you are with an 18 person raid group.
I love the vastness of of the world. Much like the vastness of SWG. If you want to group you go to a popular area. If you want to go out and explore and get lost in the world you can. I have played other games where they squeeze and spoon feed content into little mini zones and find if very linear... mind numbing.
I think the water is awesome. Check out some of the rivers, rapids and waterfalls.
I dont care for cartoony characters. VG reflects colors that are more true to life.
I have NEVER fallen through the earth.
Dont know what you mean by brutal.
I dont work for Sony.
With the hysteria about VG not being casual friendly that went on a year or so back, and still do in a minor way. I have always felt the opposit. I dont expect to level a character to 50/50/50. But what is one big thig in this game is that you actually can play it casual without having a pressure of getting this or that. Ok a dungeon crawl will take up some time, there a bigger quest with alot of grinding done, but there is no apperant race to compete.
I still make a "fortune" with a level 18 blacksmith making horseshoes on the market, meaning I didn't need to get to level 50 crafter to make a use.
I don't know, maybe some other have same opinion as me but can write it down in a better way.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Good run-down over all. But I disagree with your statement about diplomacy. Sure, it might not be for some folks, just like crafting is not for everybody... but I find it a very enjoyable sphere. It's not a money-maker yet, but it's interwoven into the game and it's very rewarding to provide schematics to guildies, to provide adventuring and crafting buffs to the locals, to provide key information needed in the Griffon quest... etc. etc. Plus the NT House quests are a lot of fun.
Heh, baloney
Played em both, if you've got the horse-power to turn VG at it's higher settings, VG wins hands-down....
Now for the so/so vanguard graphics screenshots:
What was that you were saying about Vanguard's graphics better than LOTRO?
Here is LOTRO:
Best water in any MMO to date. Here is more:
And with this engine, you can maintain 70 fps easily throughout. Yes, Vanguard can look good with the graphics cranked up, however it comes with a price, regardless of how powerful your system is..
VG is a good immersive fun game, which yes, does have a few issues still, which we know are being worked on (and the last years history has shown that they are working on what they say they are). Its a good hardcore pve game for those who want that and dont mind a few bugs or glitches.
And EQ2 is not a grey washed out graphical game to whoever said that. If it looks that way to you, you need to turn on particle effects and lighting, and maybe think about getting a new monitor. Its so bright and colorful I have to sometimes turn the effects down so I'm not blinded.
And yes, LOTRO is very very pretty, but it lacks the immersion, content and customisation of either VG or EQ2 for me personally.
If graphics are all you look for in a game, then arguing for LOTRO is a safe bet, although if you have a decent spec PC, EQ2 may just take the win for looks. VG does have some way to go yet graphically, but if mature tough more realistic play is your thing, VG is the current winner.
And to the guy who was arguing about FPS in games, I get 60fps in EQ2 on max settings, 55fps in VG on max settings and 70FPS in LOTRO on max settings, so... its close enough to be unnoticable between games.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
Supernice. Next time. Dont compare what you findto be worst with what you find to be best.
Look for the best screenshot of Vanguard and compare it to the best screenshot of LOTRO, in you opinion ofcourse. It may not change your opinion of what is looking best, but it may change how you look when saying it.
AMD will always be faster than Intel if you compare the best cpu from AMD with the worst cpu from Intel.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
LoTRO had nice 'picturesqe' graphics, but most of what you saw you couldn't go to. I couldn't go atop a mountain range seen in the back ground and I couldn't go into the buildings in cities. In Vanguard, everything you see is actually there and can be explored. So yes, I could run LoTRO at a 120 fps because it was mostly a screen-saver. Vanguard runs at 40 fps, but it's rendering ALOT more stuff.
Vanguard has brought back EQ1 for me. It was the first mmrpg that I played and I enjoyed helping others or just sitting there talking and selling things. Every other game I play its all about the solo play. So many mmorpg games are all about you and not the team. I enjoy helping other in the game finish quest even if I have done them. When I get in a group and finish a hard quest line I get some real satisfaction that I have not got in along time. I don't know if other feel this way, but I do and the people who play this game I think feel that way. I'm going to resub and play this game for a long time.
I think what you people are forgetting is that in order to pump out those LotRO graphics, you still need a beast of a PC. Have you seen how terrible they look on low settings? Not bashing anything, just want the comparison to be fair.
I tried Vanguard again after the huge, and I mean huge, let down of Age of Conan. It's more than worth a second look. Are there still issues? Some. But the problem with Vanguard has always been optimization. There is a list of bugs that some people will experience every time while others willl never see once. The entire arguement is moot though, because in late August anyone will be able to try it out for free and make their own decision. Some will hate it but quite a few will enjoy it. This game tends to draw a more loyal following from people who remember the launch of EQ, etc.
It's a great game, certainly has its place among the other MMOs out there. Wait until August and try the trial for free and make your own decision. People putting artificial "benchmarks" on it and damming it for not meeting them are setting themselves up to hate it anyway. The list of issues most people have with the game have already been addressed or are on way to being fixed. Vanguard isn't going anywhere, for some reason this bugs some people who feel it should have crawled off into a corner and die, but didn't.
Wait, was it this lotro you were talking about?
Versus vanguard, which looks like this:
Unfair comparisons ftw! Do I get a cookie now?
Hang on, I got some nice VG shots coming in, the ones this guy posted are bogus.
EDIT: How do I post images from photobucket to here
One of the reasons VG failed at release was, that not many people had the rig to run it well.
Now its one year later and VG still needs a good machine to run, but most people have now hardware which doesnt fold under the grafikpower of VG. So yeah, VG graphics are beautiful. Maybe not the best available but nice enough that I sometimes climb a mountain/walk to a building/whatever and simply make a screeny of the scenario Im seeing because its awesome.
Well performance wasn't strictly the issue at launch. Crashing every hour, horrendous memory leaks, crashing when chunking or worse dying, group issues up the wassu... These all were major problems that seem to be overlooked. VG today is nothing like VG at release.
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Okay enough with the screenshots. That one Vanguard screenshot is about the best screenshot you can possibly find. I feel its gets worse from there, but that's my opinion.
We can argue screenshots all day, but ask yourself this...
Which game has a better graphics to performance ratio? In other words, which graphics engine is more efficient?
If you answer Vanguard, you have lost your mind...
Vanguard used the heavily modified Unreal Engine. Most people I have talked to agree this was a poor decision. LOTRO uses an engine developed specifically for that game by Turbine, who are network technology specialists. In many years of gaming, that engine still impresses me more than any other.
And no, I dont play LOTRO right now..
Technically, Vanguard has some areas where it outshines LOTRO. Mainly in bump mapping. Vanguard bump mapping is as good as AoC, and that IS saying something. But overall I feel that the color palette and performance of LOTRO, along with their gorgeous water effects and lighting, are better than Vanguard.
Duplicate Message...
I wish I could post some screens I have taken on my own machine since I began to play again a couple of weeks back. They are really amazing, and it's not just one or two of them.. I take screens in MMO's all the time, I can choose any of the 100 or so screens I've taken of VG and guarantee it will be impressive in one way or another.
Now can someone tell me how to post a screen on here from Photobucket?
at least give me the code!
There should be an [IMG] code under the photo on Photobucket, otherwise just place the line to the phone inbetween a "[IMG]" and an "[/IMG]"