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Racial Hatred in AoC
Thoth-Amon
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Im a player on the English-euro PVP server EN-Wildsoul and lately its been claimed as the unofficial Russian server. This in itself isn’t a problem but some of the big Russian guilds have subsequently set out to drive non Russians from the server. This was exposed when members opposed to this tactic leaked the post from the Red Army guild leader to the community.
Now if you log in the starter zone and ask a question in English you will be told to shut up as this is a Russian server and only Russian is accepted in general chat. This has strangled the population growth on the server with only Russians staying and progressing beyond the starter zone. The Russian guilds don’t contribute to any of the progress threads or in any way to the community. Sadly this has lead to the usual knuckle draggers on the non Russian side to spout Russian hatred on the chat channels and the whole thing has gotten out of control.
Several people have attempted to find resolution on the forums but the threads are usually closed by the moderators. For examples and screen shots see http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=70731
Its yet another example of Funcom sticking their head in the sand and pretending problems dont exist.
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Comrade the peoples guilds are only promoting the free and loving ideas of the Mother Country.
MAGA
Then try play on Fury
!!!!. Anyway we are all adults and can find a prober solution. These people from Russia have the same rights to play on that server as you. If you dislike the sever, why dont you reroll on a other server. Case closed.
Its badegd as an English language server. Why should i abandon a character Ive put a lot of time and effort into just because Funcom dont manage their servers properly?
Have to agree with Thoth-Amon, I re-rolled from PVE to PVP as PVE for me was somewhat lacking endgame in AoC and chose EN-Wilsoul server. People asking for advice in the new player channel in English are indeed told to go elsewhere that Wildsoul is a Russian server, in any of the general channels you rarely see chat in English and when someone does lfg or suchlike they are met with a torrent of abuse and again told that this is a Russian server.
Yes, people have the right to play on whatever server they choose but when people are being driven out by a group of people because they don't speak Russian on an EU server you think that is fair and correct? Funcom will not address this issue, thats all that is needed imo - they should state if it is acceptable or not. Personally I don't really think it is very fair for people to be constantly abused for asking questions in English on an EN server.
Unfortunately Battlekruse being "adult" has nothing to do with it, there is a conserted effort to make EN-Wildsoul a Russian only server, spend any time there at all and you will see for yourself that people blatantly say "we are going to take over this server and drive non-Russians out" etc etc.
/sigh
Dude seriously grow up, you aren't as l33t as you may think you are.
Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with the OP if players are "hijacking" the server. Considering it's an English server, if one asks for help in English and is told to speak Russian or sod of, the OP need not sit back and take it.
Kind of like US Wiccana PvE is being considered the non-official RP-PvE server since the US does not get that server ruleset for some reason. Every once in a while, you'd see an argument over someone RPing or not RPing.
Does EU AoC have a Russian language server? If it does not, then there really isn't much you can do about it. It's understandable why a whole group of people which speaks a common language would want to play on the same server. Not everyone speaks English.
When that group of people starts to get elitist it's a whole other story, however.
I know not everyone speaks English Heartless, however my issue is with the abuse you are met with when one asks a question in English, stfu, get out this is a Russian server etc etc, the peeps seem to understand enough English to give abuse
I don't really see the problem. It is a FFA server, and if some people become a problem, you just team up and gank them, then you gank them again, and then you keep spawn ganking them until their subscription runs out.
That's how it is on fury anyway...
New player chat on EN- Wildsoul
seems like a good reason to start a english speaking guild and go to war...
I read that screen shot, and the Russian guys are talking about how to switch their keyboards to type in English. One guy made a comment about poor behavior towards other nationalities. One guy said that games are suppose to be fun (probably telling people to relax). The other said that he's too lazy to switch to English because 'they' aren't worth it. The rest is regular general chat nonsense about computer freezing etc.
What stands out the most is a comment by Snokenx. The comment was "stupid russians". So for someone who actually speaks Russian, the above screenshot is nothing more than a few guys chatting about game related stuff. Then there is obviously an English speaking gentleman who insults them. So they called him a Nazi. I'm sorry, I don't see any one saying to get out because this is a Russian server.
Edit: Moreover, looking at the above screen shot, it seems like the English speaking population is actually instigating this. Calling people "stupid russians" and then whining because they told you to get out.
One screenshot not showing ppl saying get out doesnt make me a liar, it happens in new player chat, general chat, stygia and so on.
Heartless your points are valid but the point im making is this is an English speaking server, not Russian.
Well that screenshot didn't help anyone of your arguments or the OP's as it clearly shows the english speaker attacking first and then an entry of retaliation because of this. I see nothing wrong, if you are not going to respect the population that is there and learn to play together then that is your issue. Not to say there isn't Russians that are hateful to Americans, but the general population doesn't seem like it at all.
Does Age of Conan have a Russian language server?
I agree with heartless. There is another english statement in the chat-log regarding some medieval society? Is this also directed against the Russians? If so, then together with the Stupid Russians remark it looks as if the English speaking gentlemen is rather abusive. And why? Does he speak Russian to understand what they are saying? I guess not, or otherwise he would not complain about failing communication. I must assume then, that the screenshot is supposed to demonstrate how he is violated by Russians because they are writing in their mother tongues alphabet, cyrillic, (just the way he does btw in Latin letters). So, who is being abusive of whom?
And in this situation it doesn't matter anymore who insulted who first and that you only get "non-Russians get out" replies. It's passed beyond that point. There are three choices to follow here. 1) Either reroll on a different server, which is apparently not an option for you. 2) Wait till FC introduces language filters or Russian servers, both of which may take some time or 3) stand up to your name of Thoth-Amon, be kick ass, unite with the English speakers and kick Russian butt. Ppl are complaining that there is no reason for PvP in AoC. Circumstances have it that there might be such on your server but people don't realize it because it is not dictated by game mechanics. People, reason for PvP does not mean you have to wait for a PvP system which tells you how to PvP. AoC is not a sandbox, but unwillingly this is a true sandbox element but ppl seem not to be able to cope with it.
Regarding the Russian - English - Server situation: OP, do you want to shut out everyone who is non-English from the English Speaking servers? That's Europe dammit, there are numerous nations and languages, and not everyone has their own server. It seems that it's not the Russians who seem to lack tolerance but you.
No it doesnt, and therein lies the problem. However there are an equal number of Scandanavian, ducth, Italian etc people on the server and they dont feel the need to all talk in their own language.
HashBrick, In what way am I not respecting the population that is there? I don't go about abusing people of other nationalities, just try to level/quest etc. Getting a group is problematic if you dont speak Russian on an EN server however.
You could also consider putting anyone who responds ignorantly to polite requests on ignore. I play on a US server and I'm always placing idiots from OOC on ignore. (anyone know if there's a limit?)
BTW..... you are facing problems with nationalism in AOC, not racism. (Russia/Russian is not a race, its a country/language made up of a variety of ethnic groups)
Its very common in games on one of the reasons why many companies chose to segregate servers by nationality....keeps problems down a bit.
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I believe Funcom has more on its plate then they can handle now. I doubt this will go anywhere, your best bet is to post your concerns on the Funcom forums and come back to view any replies after your 2 week ban.
MAGA
I think you fail to grasp that not all Russians speak English. Moreover, because they use a different alphabet, not all of them know how to switch to English letters. A lot of them might not be comfortable with speaking English.
Funcom failed to provide a Russian language server, so what do you expect the Russian players to do, not play the game?
BTW, your comment about other nationalities not feeling the need to talk in their own language is complete nonsense and you know it. The simple fact is that since the Russian AoC community gravitated to a particular server, the Cyrillic alphabet is more noticable. Doesn't mean that other nationalities don't talk in their own language. It's just not as noticeable.
In short, I would like to suggest that you learn how to deal with it. Until Funcom provides Russians with their own server, this is bound to happen. Just like my previous example of the unofficial US RP PvE server, which has similar arguments only about RPing.
LOL Elsa, already tried that and yep the threads get locked straight away and I am now facing a ban. My point is that this is a Funcom problem. If a server is badged as an English server then the GMs should manage that. If there is clearly sufficient demand for the Russians to have their own server, give them it. Either way players shouldnt be getting drawn into this kind of thing.
Ive emailed this out to numerous game web sites and magazines in the hope that someone sees it as an interesting story lead and its profile will be raised sufficently for funcom to do something about it.
I wouldn't hold my breath. Funcom has a lot of problems right now. Besides, the way they run their game is mind boggling. For example, and I hate bringing it up again, EU has an RP PvE server, US doesn't. It makes no sense.