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Got new rig, VG still plays bad. Help?
Hrica
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I got AMD quad core, 9800 GTX and 4gigs of ram running on Vista 32 bit.
I can only run on balanced settings with no chop.
I do run on 1400 x 900 full screen mode.
....I was kinda hoping for more
Any help guys n' gals? am I doing some thing wrong?
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Well you didnt say much about your video card. Tho if I was you I would start by going back to XP. Vista is nothing but a BIG headache for games. Sure DirectX 10 is nice but its not worth the troubles of Vista. Good luck
I thought I read you should have 5 meg memory for vista/Vanguard.
Have you updated your drivers for your video card?
My drivers won't update to the newest release. I get a error message saying that I don't have vista 32, and I do, so i have to go back to old drivers.
And I only have 4 gigs of ram. May get some more. idk.
I am really debating on going back to XP pro but i don't want to give up hope yet.
my video card is Zotac 9800 gtx 512
One thing i noticed is that the resolution you play the game in should match you desktop resolution.
You probally know this but, vista 32bit only uses about 3 gigs of ram, still more than enough for high settings.
I have half the system you do and i play on low settings at 1680x1050 with about 40fps (hit ctrl p to show fps).Sounds strange but maybe your monitor cant handle it.Your running the game with at 4:3, is your monitor old, i ask this because i noticed a lot of new monitors are 16:9.
One more thing, is this a fresh install of vista?
edit: Dont get more ram, you have more than enough. Alt tab out of Vanguard and do a ctrl/alt/del and check how much ram your system is using
I'd say its not ur rig or the game, but somthing you are running in the background, also do u have SP1 Vista?
For the comment on Vista needing 5 meg memory? I hope u mean gig, and even if u do its still a load of rubbish lol, Vista takes 512mb on a system not running many if any background apps. Vanguard needs as much RAM as you can possibly throw at the game, but you say you have 4gb which is double the amount i have, but i run on max settings, with a 8800GTS 512 and a Quad core Intel,yes i get some hitching in places where it is loading the details like in the main hubs, but then it goes up to about 30 fps, but everywhere else it is usually running at about 60fps, thats why I say its a background app like norton(AHHHHH). So look at wat else you are running while playing the game, apart from that your rig shouldn't have no problem running at max.
Oh yer I nearly forgot, make sure u have on some of the performance things in the settings and turn off volumetric clouds as this takes about 5fps just for that alone.
How do I tell if my monitor is 16:9? I mean I have a flat panel Proview 19" monitor
Yes it is fresh install for vista
TYSVM everyone for the help. I almost went to be crying last night because I thought I would finnally be able to play VG on good settings with good perfomance. I was at a loss. Really need you all's input TY!!
I am a total noob at Vista. I have used XP for years now and Vista is sooo differnt to me.
How do I tell SP1 Vista? Sorry if I sound like a total noob but I am stil trying to figure out basic things in Vista that have changed from XP. I know for some its simple but I am not the brightest crayon in the box.
Same here, i got:-
Quad Core Q6600 O/C to 3ghz
4GB Ram DDR3 800Mhz
ATI 3870 x2 Crossfire O/C'd
2x 80Gb Raptor 10k HDD in Raid 0
Windows XP
XFI Gamer soundcard
The most i can manage is balanced at 1600x1050 which is my monitors native res, even lowering it to 1400x900 doesnt help, it still chops, stutters and randomly freezes for a few secs. FPS seems high normally, but the hitching is driving me beserk, and now and again im walking around and suddenly everything stops for 5 secs and my char seems to jump or fall from the sky.
Came back hoping for better really, as this system is 10 times faster than my old PC, but it seems to be barely an improvement. Any idea how to fix the hitching and save my Pc rage?
Your system should run it fine on max settings. It might be that what you are calling chop is stuff that we just ignore. The people that play the game normally call this hitching. This is something that happens in new areas which has something to do with texture caching. It is basically your computer doing a lot of dis I/O. This occurs in game and usually only happens in new areas and only for a few seconds then then it clears up and everything should smooth out.
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Ethion
Your system should run it fine on max settings. It might be that what you are calling chop is stuff that we just ignore. The people that play the game normally call this hitching. This is something that happens in new areas which has something to do with texture caching. It is basically your computer doing a lot of dis I/O. This occurs in game and usually only happens in new areas and only for a few seconds then then it clears up and everything should smooth out.
Ethion I think I know what your are talking about, like when you zone and your torch goes out and things get stop for a few seconds
What I am experiencing is standing in one spot out in the wild and turning my characotor to the left or right and it "stutters" or "chops' ..kinda like slide show type thing but faster.
Humor me on this one.
Do an odd thing and remove half of your memory.
Other things can be.
SP1 Installed.
Reinstall.
Install Vista 64b.
Your system should run it fine on max settings. It might be that what you are calling chop is stuff that we just ignore. The people that play the game normally call this hitching. This is something that happens in new areas which has something to do with texture caching. It is basically your computer doing a lot of dis I/O. This occurs in game and usually only happens in new areas and only for a few seconds then then it clears up and everything should smooth out.
Ethion I think I know what your are talking about, like when you zone and your torch goes out and things get stop for a few seconds
What I am experiencing is standing in one spot out in the wild and turning my characotor to the left or right and it "stutters" or "chops' ..kinda like slide show type thing but faster.
All the time and not only the first seconds?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
First off AMD and ATI are not even close to Intel/Nvidia for performance.
What kind of hard disks do you have? Are you running in raid?
I have a evga 680i, q6600, 8800gt, 4gigs ocz sli ram, 2 7200rpm hard disks that are striped and i run vista 64. I run on the same 1400x900 full screen on high settings but i even pushed my textures up in quality and turned on aax16. So the game looks absolutely amazing. I get anywhere between 70-105 fps anywhere but the big towns and there i get 25-35 fps.
Any performance issues i have are server side now because my system isn't hardly taxed when running the game.
1) update your bios.
2) update to 64 bit. It's free all you have to do is request the disk from MS.
3) update all your drivers after updating to 64bit.
4) do a fresh install of the latest dx drivers.
5) if you have 2 hd's and they're not running striped fix them to do so.
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Can I ask a question, I've never really known why ppl go to 64bit OS's unless you run a million gig of ram, is there any other advantages? Does it actually run quicker, and is there a site I can go to that actually benchmarks it or something?
To know you have SP1 go to control panel and go to system and it should tell you under Windows Edition.
I asked if you have SP1 because this sorts the issue out with more than 3GB of RAM on 32bit OS, so its a must have.
Are you having these problems in one place or everywhere that you have tried?
You say you can't install the latest drivers for your graphics card, that could be a reason for slowing things down, what drivers have you got installed, vista or the cd that came with the card?
Besides getting another ~800 MB of ram out of the original 4GB, what other benefits would the person expect to get from Vista 64-bit? I've heard that there are many drivers and programs which are not compatable withVista 64 yet, which can be a problem. I'm curious of your experience.
My drivers won't update to the newest release. I get a error message saying that I don't have vista 32, and I do, so i have to go back to old drivers.
And I only have 4 gigs of ram. May get some more. idk.
I am really debating on going back to XP pro but i don't want to give up hope yet.
my video card is Zotac 9800 gtx 512
My 7950 can run the game on highest settings. Sounds like drivers to me.
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I've been running vista 64 for over a year now. I haven't had 1 issues with it. I hear stories but as far as i'm concerned Vista is a damn good OS.
taken from http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_ff_x64.asp
One of the primary benefits of using an x64-based version of Windows Vista is that these versions provide dramatically improved security functionality when compared to their 32-bit counterparts. Most dramatically, the Windows Vista x64 versions include a new secret security feature called Address Space Layout Randmonizer (ASLR) that helps eliminate remote system attacks for the first time on the Windows platform. This feature (which was first disclosed in this very article) ensures that system files load at random (1 in 256) memory offsets at every system boot, compared to previous Windows versions where system files always loaded to the same offset memory location. Because of this change, most (approximately 99 percent) remote attacks will simply fail on x64-based Vista versions.
Working in tandem with the No Execute (NX) technologies in modern x64 microprocessors from both AMD and Intel, Windows Vista x64 versions, like XP x64, also provide support for hardware-backed Data Execution Protection (DEP), which helps to prevent the buffer overflows that are commonly used in electronic attacks. (32-bit Vista versions utilize a less effective, software-based version of DEP.) Another unique x64 feature, Kernel Patch Protection (sometimes called PatchGuard), prevents malicious software from patching the Windows Vista kernel. PatchGuard, Microsoft says, works by preventing kernel-mode drivers from extending or replacing other kernel services and preventing third-party software from patching any part of the kernel.
Additionally, Windows Vista x64 versions require that all drivers be digitally signed by the developer. If you've ever installed a driver in Windows XP, you'll likely be familiar with the unsigned driver dialog, which offers a "Continue Anyway" option when a setup application attempts to load an unsigned driver. In the x64 versions of Windows Vista, this will not be possible. Microsoft says that it is requiring signed drivers so that it can ensure that drivers are of the highest possible quality; poorly-written drivers are, today, still the leading causes of blue screens and other system instability issues.
When taken together, these features ensure that the x64 versions of Windows Vista will be both the most secure and reliable versions of Windows ever created. Likewise, they will be more secure and reliable than the 32-bit Vista versions.
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I would say Vista is your problem, but I don't have personal experience using it. I only say that because I'm running a significantly less-powerful system and run it on balanced easily: AMD single-core 3200+ XP processor, 2GB RAM, GeForce 6800 GT (AGP) Windows XP, and I can run on balanced setting in 1400x900 at a pretty steady 20fps too. Only exception is when the game has to load a chunk, when doors open, or occasional graphical glitches that I believe are more from the game design then my computer. Higher settings get a little too choppy to be enjoyable but not completely unplayable either.
Personally I'm using..
Intel E8400 C2d
9600GT (super clocked w/e)
4 Gigs of Ram
Vista 64 bit.
Monitor only support 1280x1024 (why I chose the 9600gt).
I can max every setting there is (including shadows) and move around with next to no chop (kinda like "low" was at launch).
If I drop down to high I have absolutely no chop.
So unless there is an issue that is specific to quad cores or the Phenom (amd's quad) I really don't know. I have seen games that do have specific quad core issues.
Specificly AMD's set up is a "true" quad core and I have seen it have timing issues in some games. I just don't know about it.. to really give much feedback. Specificly it may have been EQ2 or even AoC when someone linked in a tech article about the timing issue.
Your system should run it fine on max settings. It might be that what you are calling chop is stuff that we just ignore. The people that play the game normally call this hitching. This is something that happens in new areas which has something to do with texture caching. It is basically your computer doing a lot of dis I/O. This occurs in game and usually only happens in new areas and only for a few seconds then then it clears up and everything should smooth out.
Ethion I think I know what your are talking about, like when you zone and your torch goes out and things get stop for a few seconds
What I am experiencing is standing in one spot out in the wild and turning my characotor to the left or right and it "stutters" or "chops' ..kinda like slide show type thing but faster.
The first thing you mention is what is called chunking. This is in other games called zoning. It is called chunking cause the world is cut into square chunks and not into regions that are typically called zones. IN any even this takes several seconds.
The second thing we call hitching. Hitching can happen any time. It usually is a subsecond pause in the graphics that occurs when stuff is being loaded from disk. This is graphics related. A better graphics card won't help this it is a design issue.
This hitching however has been improved enormously over the past months and they are improving it more. You should only have this happen once in any new area where new graphics are loaded. So for example if you go into a dungeon you will get some hitching. It should however only happen during the initial few seconds.
In your example above you should turn and it should stop. It should not constantly happen only when you are in a new area and only for a few seconds at most.
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Ethion
64 bit only shipped with Ultimate which had both dvd's. All other versions shipped with only 32 bit and you had to call and request the 64 bit at no charge.
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A BIG thanks to everyone who responded.
I am not sure what is going on. I tried serveral single player games, crysis and bioshock can run on high settings (not highest). So I guess I am OK with that
again a big thank you to everyone!
As for Vista 32 bit, I've had great luck, great stability etc... wasn't always the case, but with SP1 it's perfectly fine for Vanguard.
Your 9800 GTX is similar to my 8800 GTX in benchmarks, so you should have plenty of GPU power.
Dunno anything about the AMD quad core.
You could try deleting cache and recompiling, you could ensure update drivers for all, you could try setting all settings to low and building up slowly to see what is causing the performance hit, make sure your card is not forcing AA or High Quality.
But looking at your rig, your performance should be much higher.
Another thought, your performance will be brutalized if you are testing things out in Khal, or NT. NT is a beast for PCs and right now Khal is absolutely packed with people. No matter what you are running, those two places are really tough on a PC. If that's the case, try testing things out in different areas of the game.
I switched over to Vista because I had better framerate when I ran the game in windows mode.
Things to test that made a difference for me.
Change the colorscheme to Vista basic and or back to Areo.
Turn off sidepanel.
Turn off (beta) station launcher.
Turn off virus checking on files opened in you sony/vanguard directory.
(This one you really should do if not.)
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"