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Bioware Kotor MMO = WoW with Lightsabres/SciFi Theme
TheChronic
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here are the problems that I see coming to Bioware:
- they underestimate what SOE has done to the Star Wars Galaxies Veterans
- they underestimate what will happen if their kotor mmo will become another wow clone beside all of these unfinished cookie cutter causal player games we have seen during the last few years (vanguard, dark & light, age of conan)
- they think that the IP "star wars" will be a guarantee success, even more than word of warcraft, only because its star wars
- many players like the "original" star wars galaxies beause of the sandbox style gameplay and because the players where the content, not stupid "get 7 of X and bring it to Y" quests like in word of warcraft
but of course I could be all wrong and bioware is about to develop one of the biggest sandbox style games the world has ever seen, right after ultima online and pre-cu star wars galaxies, we will see 
"You must be either retarded or a fanboi..."
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I love MMO. They announce it and the first discussion is:
Is it gonna fail, is it gonna beat WoW, how long till it's dead?
This industry is weird kinda, no?
and?
thats the best way for mmo devs to learn and avoid mistakes...
you can only learn from critique and not from "heeeeey you are so great, you are the best, you are the greatest!!"
start to think out of the box
every negative thread can help to make biowares kotor mmo become a success... they need to listen to the community and ballance/ measure the facts...
"You must be either retarded or a fanboi..."
Bioware is not SOE. Also, what is it with people thinking Bioware has to appease ex SWG fans? I am an ex vet of SWG-preNGE(played it for 3+ years). I loved SWG back then. However Bioware had nothing to do with SWG. So how is it they owe is anything?
You know what Ireally hope happens? I hope Bioware delivers a game based on the KoToR time period that is fun to play. It is a wait sand see game right now because we still know nothing. They might surprise us all and make an awesome MMORPG. KoToR was awesome...one of the best SPRPG's I ever have played. If anyone can bring KoToR to life as an MMO I think Bioware can.
I disagree for 1 simple reason...
The length at which Bioware goes to put depth and originality in their games are second to none. I love the company and played nearly everygame they have made. I doubt they would release a simplistic wow style game that so many others are trying to do.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
bioware know how to make an rpg. they have fans across multiple franchises and platforms to draw experience. every bioware game i played has been very enjoyable not only that but they continue to push boundries in gameplay and graphics (unlike blizzard which caters for a more traditional crowd). all in all i would put bioware ahead of blizzard when in comes to rpgs. theres no point comparing it to wow, not only is kotor sci-fi, but bioware has actually gone on to make new games and new ip's (cross platform and succeed!) more than i can say for blizzard.
I sure hope we don't get a WoW styled game. Shit no, lets get one with the full bells and whistles.
But if Bioware can pull of a SWG Pre-CU with the same focus on socializing and crafting then I'll be hooked.
Even if it will have jedi all over the place (Lets face it, likely it will)
What's with this line of thought about recreating SWG? SWG was a failure by Star Wars standards, it should have had WOW like subscriptions to be conidered a success by Lucasfilm.
As long as it doesn't turn out to be SWG v2, it should be fine
Dude...WTF?
Unless I missed something...you don't, nor does anyone else, know jack shit about this game.
But you're already criticizing it?
Is anyone else baffled? Seriously dude, what is going through your head? Not even a single screen or piece of game info...
the official MMORPG.com deadhead
Yeah, it probably will have Jedi everywhere.
Unlike SWG however, it will fit thematically in the KOTOR time-line.
the official MMORPG.com deadhead
Hey, remember Boba Fett went toe to toe with Vader and it was a draw. The Force is usually most effective on those who are weak minded.
I'm sure they'll offere plenty of options. My only hope is that they have the balls to actually depart from a level based system. I'm sick of starting new characters when I want to try something new.
Bioware are (in my opinion) excellent when it comes to RPG's.. They've had their hands into KotOR and Fallout, both were simply the best RPG's ever made.. If they make KotOR online basically a sandbox (open galaxy) version of the Single Player games with more content and, to put it simply, other players, then it will be a hit in my opinion. Can't comment anymore as like others have said, no info is out yet and it would be pointless to debate things that don't exist..
Side note : If they cater to the Single Player lovers instead of the WoW lovers the game will be huge and very popular. WoW and that style have been old for way too long and even WoW players/ex-WoW players i've spoke with over the years are sick of it.
What's with this line of thought about recreating SWG? SWG was a failure by Star Wars standards, it should have had WOW like subscriptions to be conidered a success by Lucasfilm.
SWG Pre-CU was an excellent MMORPG. It had lots of aspects of Roleplaying that todays games don't even shadow. I don't give a rats arse regarding subscribtion amounts. A good game as I see it don't cater to the masses. It doesn't need to be numbed down for everyone to enjoy or to play with piss old hardware. It doesn't need to be SWG, because it had some bad elements as well (Nearly no end game content ect.) but I'm surprised that more up and comming MMOG's don't steal with their arms and legs from the good parts of SWG. Crafting was both essential and wanted in SWG, as was the socializing, unlike todays games that focus on instant gratification and the MEMEMEMEMEMEME111!!!!1111oneone! mentality.
It's a shame the big companies only see subscribtions though, but it's a fact that you don't need 1 mil+ subscribers to be considered a success when making a MMOG. Hell SOE's EverQuest 1 (A game that must have nine or ten years of operation) is likely *still* making money on it's loyal fanbase.
I'm all for a niche game with Pay to Play and much Payed for content. I hope Bioware has to balls to follow their own heart, their track record seems to think so. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
What is it with everyone already condemning the game before even the tiniest bit of information about it is released. This is starting to get ridiculous. Poeple left and right are predicting the doom of a game that hasn't even really been announced yet.
And I'll have to agree with some of the previous posters here, why do SWG Vet's think that this game is being made for -THEM- and them only?
BioWare will do what they think is right. And judging from any game BioWare has released so far, they know full well what they are doing. I've played most of the BioWare games and I loved them all. KotOR included. They'll make this game in their personal style.
In my opinion, that won#t be the SWG-Vet's SWG-Pre CU NGE wet dream they've been so rabidly screaming for. It'll be a new game. And until some details about it are released, there's absolutely no sense in predicting the doom of the game due to design failure. -.-
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Final Fantasy 7
To be honest, they don't care. If they make a KOTOR MMO that plays well, is easy to adapt and polished, people will subscribe en masse.
Bioware is a company that is like Blizzard pre-WoW in many ways, they have built polished games with a large following but never really split the bank yet. I have an inkling that they will succeed where all of the recently released MMOs ahve failed, grabbing a large chunk of the WoW playerbase. That is just me, however.
no shit, its not going to be like wow....it will be story driven and have a lot better rpg elements IMO.
bioware games are nothing like blizzard games, its going to be different but i am sure it will appeal to the masses as well....if that is a problem for someone then that is their problem.
- I don't think a KoTOR MMO wold be specifically aimed at SWG vets, though I am sure it would be nice if they did like it. So I am not sure that the first bullet point is really a concern.
- The second point seems like speculation really early on. I mean, it relies on "if their KoTOR MMO will become another WoW clone" which we will have to wait for more information to determine.
- Third, I think the combination of "BioWare" and "Star Wars" is what has people excited. At least, it has me excited to see what BioWare makes of this. They really have a strong IP and a strong brand name. It could be the perfect storm or the perfect failure. Either way, people will claim it is both when it hits open beta/release.
- Finally as an SWG vet, and someone who hasn't really had time to play the KoTOR series, I don't really expect a sandbox out of BioWare. I also don't expect massive changes to the game mechanics post release. Tweaks and profession/class balances, sure, but nothing like the CU/NGE. You don't have to be catering to the vets to know that that would just be bad business.
Ultimately, I think it is a bit unfortunate that many, even those who didn't play SWG, will compare this new MMO against pre-CU SWG. I don't expect the game to resemble pre-CU in anything except the Star Wars name, but any way you look at it, it's going to be nice to have a (hopefully) quality game from a quality team.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I predict that that MMO comming out in 2017 is gonna suck n will be little more than a WoW2 clone!
A: We know nothing about what they are going to do.
B: One thing is certain: for a new MMO to occupy the sales level area between WoW and everything else, it will have to be aimed at anyone EXCEPT the people who post on mmorpg.com. You guys are Joy Division fans... WoW is Guns n' Roses. I love both, but you're dreaming if you think these companies care, or really should care, what you think about their games.
and?
thats the best way for mmo devs to learn and avoid mistakes...
you can only learn from critique and not from "heeeeey you are so great, you are the best, you are the greatest!!"
start to think out of the box
every negative thread can help to make biowares kotor mmo become a success... they need to listen to the community and ballance/ measure the facts...
Imho listening to the community is exactly what they DON'T want to do. Bioware knows how to make games, and they do a great job.
Wow is the result of devs listening to the players. when EQ and FF11 were the juggernaunts, everyone bitched about the difficulty, inability to solo, and the grind. Blizzard went and changed all of that. (of course now people don't want that) People saw the results and were disgusted.
well guess what people? you asked for it
I just hope if they really are doing Star Wars MMO it wont be dumbed down and they don't try to bring it for xbox or any other console.
i really dont know why i am responding to this thread a mere hours after a name for a game is announced and nothing else.
Bioware should do what they do best and that is story telling and (reasonably) polished gameplay.
whether that is WoW like or not it make no difference to the game in the end. it will come out. people will play it. will you play it? thats for you to decide and for me to not give a toss about. will i play it? yes to try it out but i doubt i will stay (unless they produce what i want to see in a star wars MMO and sci-fi MMO's in general). will it help the sci-fi MMO market? hell yes, bioware may make a WoW clone but it will still generate interest in more Sci-fi MMO's which in turn leads to more Sci-fi games being developed
in summary
pros (my point of view)
there will be more interest in Sci-fi MMO's
it will be polished to a standard i enjoy
it will have some elements of star wars that i enjoy
it will have a great storyline and be well implemented (like LOTRO)
cons
it most likely wont be sandbox
it will have jedi in it
it will lean towards the masses
it will have lackluster PvP (and rightly so)
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
It has potential
* a impressive gamedeveloper
* a solid fanbase both from the games they have made earlier (like blizzard) and from the sw movies
* a timeline that is less likely to make people bitch about accurasy
Im looking forward to this, i hope i get a fresh and inventive MMO and not another wow clone
They will make what they know will sale. WoW sales were big.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155486
They say they dont want it to be like WoW in many ways....end game specifically, i believe it will have some WoW elements (but is that really such a bad thing?). It will have much more depth, Bioware is known for that....it's going to be a good game.
Uhh... what?
