Okay we have guild alliance channel. CHECK. One supposed approvement. Anyothers?
Oh lol......
Maybe like a billion of them? Ages ago I bothered on WoW boards but I wont anymore. Meh, just meh. That game lost its chance to get real quality looong ago.
Bliz realized that gear whoring is as good if not better player motivation than actual having fun. This is so obvious on so many levels but I know its hard to see it when you're deep within WoW's maw.
Don't want to waste my time or pixel space on my screen on that exploitative crap anymore. Over and out.
Exactly, you are finally starting to think like a mmorpg company. KEEP the customer playing as long as possible. I won't say that WoW is the best mmorpg out there because i do not think it is. But it does one thing very well, and that is keep players playing.
Lol, I know how MMORPG companies (at least successful ones) think. However, I am not a MMORPG company.
As for "keep playing"... this is a ridiculous situation we have here because the medium of MMOs is extremely new. No one knows what works yet and WoW has gotten the closest to it. But is it really close? No way... It is as flawed as a 2D flight simulator with mouse controls and a high-score winning mechanic. It is as far from perfect as can be but at least it is playable, which cannot be said for the vast majority of its competition.
I can lament the sad state of this new genre and the fact that it's most successful game is really nothing to write home about. It is a bad game, but it is the best amongst what's offered.
However, it is still a bad game... and the people developing it are convinced that it is exactly its flaws that are making it successful. This is the greatest sin of WoW and its developers for me.
Things are changing tbh and WoTLK is an improvement, on many levels. However, it is too little too late - and it appears that the only reason for it is fear of competition rather than actual wish to improve their player's lot. I've built a powerful grudge during those long "years of darkness" and I'll be damned if I give 1 more cent to those crooks. It is time for some new kids on the block.
Okay we have guild alliance channel. CHECK. One supposed approvement. Anyothers?
Oh lol......
Maybe like a billion of them? Ages ago I bothered on WoW boards but I wont anymore. Meh, just meh. That game lost its chance to get real quality looong ago.
Bliz realized that gear whoring is as good if not better player motivation than actual having fun. This is so obvious on so many levels but I know its hard to see it when you're deep within WoW's maw.
Don't want to waste my time or pixel space on my screen on that exploitative crap anymore. Over and out.
Exactly, you are finally starting to think like a mmorpg company. KEEP the customer playing as long as possible. I won't say that WoW is the best mmorpg out there because i do not think it is. But it does one thing very well, and that is keep players playing.
Absolutely right. It was the right game at the right time, and it managed to fortify it's position at the top very well. Very well said ^^
Just because you don't think it's "fun" doesn't mean it isn't.
Think about it ^^
Don't patronize me.
There are things that are easy to implement and increase "fun" for everybody. I wasn't talking about changing the direction of the game at all. I'm talking about little improvements that cost next to nothing but make a world of difference in how friendly a game is.
Just think how much easier it would have been to organize raids if there was a Guild Alliance channel? This is just one tiny little example. Oh and guild calendar while we're at it? WAR has it... basically it's on the level of an UI mod. Why isn't it in like... dunno 3 years ago? It's not like we're building pyramids here - little things that show you care about players and their having a good time.
I won't go into other obvious stuff because I really really don't want to talk about that game anymore. RIP.
I assume Daoc has had achievements and guild calendars and all those other little things you mention in it already then since um, well 3 years ago or something? It's not like we're building pyramids here after all and it's even Mythic!
Please, go troll about WoW somewhere else if you can't be bothered to talk about it, or even better, simply don't mention it at all or go into a discussion about it to begin with. Not everything is instant implementation in any game. 3 years ago the idea of achievements was hardly the idea that it is today due to the Xbox360 and Lotro and WAR so of course they didn't "just" implement it.
Also, how does this change *anything* in what I said? Just cause you don't think WoW is fun doesn't mean everybody else doesn't either.
... However, it is still a bad game... and the people developing it are convinced that it is exactly its flaws that are making it successful. This is the greatest sin of WoW and its developers for me. Things are changing tbh and WoTLK is an improvement, on many levels. However, it is too little too late - and it appears that the only reason for it is fear of competition rather than actual wish to improve their player's lot. I've built a powerful grudge during those long "years of darkness" and I'll be damned if I give 1 more cent to those crooks. It is time for some new kids on the block.
This can count for the thread of the month.
Wow being a bad game and its developpers are conviced of that. ....WOW. 10/10.
As for that argument of "fear of competition". Which competition would you mean? Conan? lol
Warhammer? Let's see. In WotLK you have the siege engines of Warcraft 2 and 3. These games were lauched 8 years ago ... In Ironforge you can see the fighter planes that are used in WotLK. In Gnomerogon you see the fighter bombers of WotLK. Those were .... programmed 4 to 5 years ago.
no crap bro. they stole from GW back in the day blizzard made warcrap from gw ideas. they just made video games out of it. but i hope war knocks the crap out of wow.
no crap bro. they stole from GW back in the day blizzard made warcrap from gw ideas. they just made video games out of it. but i hope war knocks the crap out of wow.
You do know most of the original team behing GW were former Blizzard employees.
But I thought that the TOM is something radical. Something that we have never seen before in a game. Is it just this?
Only an idiot would think that. Maybe WAR isn't trying to be radical and totally awesomely revolutionary, it's trying to be a fun game in its own way. WAR made some of these ideas better but WoW's just copying the basic simplified form and slapping a new UI skin on it. Alot of those players don't even know any other MMOs have some kind of achievement system so of course this will seem brand spankin' new to them and they'll brag about how WoW was the first and was so awesome...until they come to a site like this one, haha.
TOME. Learn to spell TOM.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Actually wow copied the cavemen, you know that thing called art they did on their cave walls. Well wow used the same idea to make their artwork.
Copying the cavemen's greatest invention is bad m'kay?
Damn wow even copied nature, there is grass in wow .
Dotn say o noe it didnt copy grass, all mmos have grass. Gl finding grass in eve.
Actually wow copied life (very bad to copy the creator's (whoever he may be) work) wow fails so bad at creating stuff. Its not liek it was the first very succesful mmo that wasnt only played by photophobic nerds.
But war is really much better, no rly.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Actually wow copied the cavemen, you know that thing called art they did on their cave walls. Well wow used the same idea to make their artwork. Copying the cavemen's greatest invention is bad m'kay? Damn wow even copied nature, there is grass in wow . Dotn say o noe it didnt copy grass, all mmos have grass. Gl finding grass in eve. Actually wow copied life (very bad to copy the creator's (whoever he may be) work) wow fails so bad at creating stuff. Its not liek it was the first very succesful mmo that wasnt only played by photophobic nerds. But war is really much better, no rly.
... However, it is still a bad game... and the people developing it are convinced that it is exactly its flaws that are making it successful. This is the greatest sin of WoW and its developers for me. Things are changing tbh and WoTLK is an improvement, on many levels. However, it is too little too late - and it appears that the only reason for it is fear of competition rather than actual wish to improve their player's lot. I've built a powerful grudge during those long "years of darkness" and I'll be damned if I give 1 more cent to those crooks. It is time for some new kids on the block.
This can count for the thread of the month.
Wow being a bad game and its developpers are conviced of that. ....WOW. 10/10.
As for that argument of "fear of competition". Which competition would you mean? Conan? lol
Warhammer? Let's see. In WotLK you have the siege engines of Warcraft 2 and 3. These games were lauched 8 years ago ... In Ironforge you can see the fighter planes that are used in WotLK. In Gnomerogon you see the fighter bombers of WotLK. Those were .... programmed 4 to 5 years ago.
So who copys what exactly?
Who are you?
And what post are you responding to?
What copying? Who is talking about copying?
And as for WoW being a bad game... I'm really not going into all that, but it really is a bad game. A game's quality as such is determined by the amount and quality of fun the game provides. If there is a game where an average end-game player spends 80%+ time not having fun but rather doing chores such as grinding mobs for rep, flying around, waiting in queues, waiting for a group to form, trying to get a raid to work, waiting for someone to do somehting so they can raid... then it is a bad game. By definition.
It may be a financially successful one because however bad it is the sad fact is that it is still the best, but it still is a bad game.
Again, WoW is the best - but it is bad. Just like some b/w TV models were the best at that moment but actually they were pretty bad. So, something can be "the best" but still "bad" at the same time. A better example - WWII tanks, germans had the best but they were bad.. Because the russians creamed them by better usage of an even more primitive technology by sloping their armor. The technology was there but germans didn't have the vision to use it to the full - ruskies beat them by having better concepts. It's conceptual superiority. Dig?
"In the land of the blind, one-eyed man is the king."
And this is a WAR forum, not WoW. Lets allow this pointless thread to die.
to quote a dirty alien in the least interesting of the start wars movies: "Mind tricks donnat work on me".
Sry but Its not like your gonna convince anyone that the worst thing is the best and vice versa. Sure some ppl think wow is crap (most of them are jsut haters). But wow is a quite old game now. If you say that the problem with wow is findign groups, simple solutions join a good guild. Sure you can dislkie the art style in wow (i do). but sayign that a game thats not even out is better than the leader in the lmarket is just plain stupid. Thats jsut spreadign the hype liek it was done with AOC, and we all know how good aoc is.
O and btw please dont whine and bash wow, that just copying all the aoc fanbois
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Ok first I would like to say I have not played WoW in over a year and nor do I plan to and nor do I ever plan to for that matter. Now that I have the whole ZOMG YOUR A FANBOI out of the way..
Give me a break dude you find one idea they are taking from somewhere else in order to keep their game interesting and you call them a copy cat. Hell AOC was a copy cat from hell and War hammer is going to be no different. Companies see Blizzards success so they are using all their ideas the thing they dont realize is, blizzard spent an ass load of money on advertising no like any other mmo ive seen other than SWG. I can already see it "man your so dumb war hammer wont be a copy cat /nerd rage!!!!!" Sorry kids but just like I predicted Tabula Rasa to blow, Auto Assault to blow, and AOC to blow and guess what? Turns out I was right all three times and no im putting out there Warhammer will blow and it WILL be a copy cat.
You fail to realise blizzard did public quests a long tim ago with AQ gate opening and more recently with patch 2.4.0 where players had to work for months to build a town, unlock dungeons, vendors and quests.. WoW does Public quests on a massive scale.. WAR just took the idea diluted it and served it up about a 100 times.
Except Blizzard's AQ gate opening was a 1 shot deal and worked nothing organizationally like WAR's PQ system so techincally its not a PQ it was a Server Event which is entirely a different thing. You'll see if you ever get to play WAR that there's a massive difference. I don't believe WAR copied or evolved their PQ system from WoW at all. Games have had server events like that for years, infact EQ1 had tons of them all the time. Nothing like logging on and the area your in was getting attacked by an angry god or it was halloween and at night cycle monsters came out and everyone was getting some pretty interesting gear.
WoW has never done anything unique. Not one system other than perhaps their organization of the UI is unique at all.
WAR basically takes server events makes them a constant event, smaller in scope, multiple stages them and makse it where anyone and everyone who participates gets something and you don't have to be grouped to even benefit as long as you attack something or heal someone you get something. It encourages you to work together without having to LFG. WoW's never done anything ever to encourage this sort of gameplay its all me me me with WoW.
As for their new achievement system...its just a Grind system for people who like carrots. WAR's is so much more than that its crazy. Its easy to use too if you ever get to use it yourself at a Con you'll laugh at WoW's system.
The ToK may not be a original / brand new but its pretty evolved from the standard which is nice.
Ok first I would like to say I have not played WoW in over a year and nor do I plan to and nor do I ever plan to for that matter. Now that I have the whole ZOMG YOUR A FANBOI out of the way..
Give me a break dude you find one idea they are taking from somewhere else in order to keep their game interesting and you call them a copy cat. Hell AOC was a copy cat from hell and War hammer is going to be no different. Companies see Blizzards success so they are using all their ideas the thing they dont realize is, blizzard spent an ass load of money on advertising no like any other mmo ive seen other than SWG. I can already see it "man your so dumb war hammer wont be a copy cat /nerd rage!!!!!" Sorry kids but just like I predicted Tabula Rasa to blow, Auto Assault to blow, and AOC to blow and guess what? Turns out I was right all three times and no im putting out there Warhammer will blow and it WILL be a copy cat.
Ok, I hate to break this to you, but nothing WoW did, at all, was original. Outside of an innovative UI(having a good UI isnt an "idea"), every game idea that they have in place was taken from other MMORPG's that were out at the time.
So, it makes no sense to call WAR, or AOC or any other game a WoW copycat, when WoW was nothing more than taking all the ideas they liked from other games and using them. How do you copycat a copycat? Wouldnt that mean they were copying the other games, and not WoW?
Its even more ironic and funny to hear these claims that WAR will be copying WoW when you realize that Warcraft itself was copied off of the lore and ideas of the Warhammer universe.
hehe i hate to admit it but i like the looks of WoW's TOK better then WAR's. it looks like it is less confusing and easier to use .
Too often, at least in my own experience, simplicity indicates a lack of depth. The easier and less confusing it is to figure out, the LESS there is to figure out.
hehe i hate to admit it but i like the looks of WoW's TOK better then WAR's. it looks like it is less confusing and easier to use .
Too often, at least in my own experience, simplicity indicates a lack of depth. The easier and less confusing it is to figure out, the LESS there is to figure out.
that doesn't make any sense . if were talking about a quest being confusing or how to get into the zone of uber whooparse then ya , confusing is ok . trying to use the ToK that is put in to keep track of quests , kill counts , stats and all that other good stuff should be simple and easy to use .
hehe i hate to admit it but i like the looks of WoW's TOK better then WAR's. it looks like it is less confusing and easier to use .
You touched right there as to why WoW is so popular IMO. WoW takes the ideas from others, simplifies them, and gives them to their community with almost 0 problems. I like this honestly. I am not a WoW fanboi but I do like the game enough to have played it for 3 years and then get burnt out like so many others. Except I go back to it every 6 months for about 2 months of play before getting burnt out again.
I think that might come to an end this fall. I end up going down to one day of WoW and quiting and never went back..
Maybe Blizz got jealous and thought since all those "wow-killers" where stealing from her she might do the same,steal some ideas .. Besides its not that Blizz owns the whole mmo universe,bringing innovative ideas,is it?! -_-
what blizz is doing is taking all the elements from the games around it and making those elements not only easy to use, but more appealing to the player. Its a sad but true scenario they keep using just to stay on top.
Before we know it, they'll be adding public quests....
Maybe Blizz got jealous and thought since all those "wow-killers" where stealing from her she might do the same,steal some ideas .. Besides its not that Blizz owns the whole mmo universe,bringing innovative ideas,is it?! -_-
what blizz is doing is taking all the elements from the games around it and making those elements not only easy to use, but more appealing to the player. Its a sad but true scenario they keep using just to stay on top.
and it seems to be working !
im no WoW fanboi . i havent played the game since Blizzard decided to suck all the fun out of WoW 2 weeks before open beta . that being said i think Blizzard does a great job getting people into the game and playing instead of searching around a ToK for a half houre to find out how many more bunnies you need to kill for the flaming sword of pink bunny slaying !
I don't find anything innately negative on copying features that you find tempting. If using a feature someone else has already used would always be a bad idea, there would be no gaming genres to start with. Once MMO's were innovated everyone doing it again is but a copycat. Thus, maybe instead of moaning over copied features people ought to value the willingness to "learn" from others that Blizzard is showing, something a great many game developers could learn from. I don't mind who is the originator of an idea for as long as the end-product, no matter how unoriginal, is good fun.
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Oh lol......
Maybe like a billion of them? Ages ago I bothered on WoW boards but I wont anymore. Meh, just meh. That game lost its chance to get real quality looong ago.
Bliz realized that gear whoring is as good if not better player motivation than actual having fun. This is so obvious on so many levels but I know its hard to see it when you're deep within WoW's maw.
Don't want to waste my time or pixel space on my screen on that exploitative crap anymore. Over and out.
Exactly, you are finally starting to think like a mmorpg company. KEEP the customer playing as long as possible. I won't say that WoW is the best mmorpg out there because i do not think it is. But it does one thing very well, and that is keep players playing.
Lol, I know how MMORPG companies (at least successful ones) think. However, I am not a MMORPG company.
As for "keep playing"... this is a ridiculous situation we have here because the medium of MMOs is extremely new. No one knows what works yet and WoW has gotten the closest to it. But is it really close? No way... It is as flawed as a 2D flight simulator with mouse controls and a high-score winning mechanic. It is as far from perfect as can be but at least it is playable, which cannot be said for the vast majority of its competition.
I can lament the sad state of this new genre and the fact that it's most successful game is really nothing to write home about. It is a bad game, but it is the best amongst what's offered.
However, it is still a bad game... and the people developing it are convinced that it is exactly its flaws that are making it successful. This is the greatest sin of WoW and its developers for me.
Things are changing tbh and WoTLK is an improvement, on many levels. However, it is too little too late - and it appears that the only reason for it is fear of competition rather than actual wish to improve their player's lot. I've built a powerful grudge during those long "years of darkness" and I'll be damned if I give 1 more cent to those crooks. It is time for some new kids on the block.
Oh lol......
Maybe like a billion of them? Ages ago I bothered on WoW boards but I wont anymore. Meh, just meh. That game lost its chance to get real quality looong ago.
Bliz realized that gear whoring is as good if not better player motivation than actual having fun. This is so obvious on so many levels but I know its hard to see it when you're deep within WoW's maw.
Don't want to waste my time or pixel space on my screen on that exploitative crap anymore. Over and out.
Exactly, you are finally starting to think like a mmorpg company. KEEP the customer playing as long as possible. I won't say that WoW is the best mmorpg out there because i do not think it is. But it does one thing very well, and that is keep players playing.
Absolutely right. It was the right game at the right time, and it managed to fortify it's position at the top very well. Very well said ^^
CoH had an acheievement system long before any of these other games listed.
seriously who give a shit who was first, omg...
like little childrens
mine is better then yours! mine was first! no! yes! fuck you! I'm telling! muuuumm!
Don't patronize me.
There are things that are easy to implement and increase "fun" for everybody. I wasn't talking about changing the direction of the game at all. I'm talking about little improvements that cost next to nothing but make a world of difference in how friendly a game is.
Just think how much easier it would have been to organize raids if there was a Guild Alliance channel? This is just one tiny little example. Oh and guild calendar while we're at it? WAR has it... basically it's on the level of an UI mod. Why isn't it in like... dunno 3 years ago? It's not like we're building pyramids here - little things that show you care about players and their having a good time.
I won't go into other obvious stuff because I really really don't want to talk about that game anymore. RIP.
I assume Daoc has had achievements and guild calendars and all those other little things you mention in it already then since um, well 3 years ago or something? It's not like we're building pyramids here after all and it's even Mythic!
Please, go troll about WoW somewhere else if you can't be bothered to talk about it, or even better, simply don't mention it at all or go into a discussion about it to begin with. Not everything is instant implementation in any game. 3 years ago the idea of achievements was hardly the idea that it is today due to the Xbox360 and Lotro and WAR so of course they didn't "just" implement it.
Also, how does this change *anything* in what I said? Just cause you don't think WoW is fun doesn't mean everybody else doesn't either.
This can count for the thread of the month.
Wow being a bad game and its developpers are conviced of that. ....WOW. 10/10.
As for that argument of "fear of competition". Which competition would you mean? Conan? lol
Warhammer? Let's see. In WotLK you have the siege engines of Warcraft 2 and 3. These games were lauched 8 years ago ... In Ironforge you can see the fighter planes that are used in WotLK. In Gnomerogon you see the fighter bombers of WotLK. Those were .... programmed 4 to 5 years ago.
So who copys what exactly?
But I thought that the TOM is something radical. Something that we have never seen before in a game. Is it just this?
no crap bro. they stole from GW back in the day blizzard made warcrap from gw ideas. they just made video games out of it. but i hope war knocks the crap out of wow.
no crap bro. they stole from GW back in the day blizzard made warcrap from gw ideas. they just made video games out of it. but i hope war knocks the crap out of wow.
You do know most of the original team behing GW were former Blizzard employees.
Only an idiot would think that. Maybe WAR isn't trying to be radical and totally awesomely revolutionary, it's trying to be a fun game in its own way. WAR made some of these ideas better but WoW's just copying the basic simplified form and slapping a new UI skin on it. Alot of those players don't even know any other MMOs have some kind of achievement system so of course this will seem brand spankin' new to them and they'll brag about how WoW was the first and was so awesome...until they come to a site like this one, haha.
TOME. Learn to spell TOM.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Actually wow copied the cavemen, you know that thing called art they did on their cave walls. Well wow used the same idea to make their artwork.
Copying the cavemen's greatest invention is bad m'kay?
Damn wow even copied nature, there is grass in wow
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Dotn say o noe it didnt copy grass, all mmos have grass. Gl finding grass in eve.
Actually wow copied life (very bad to copy the creator's (whoever he may be) work) wow fails so bad at creating stuff. Its not liek it was the first very succesful mmo that wasnt only played by photophobic nerds.
But war is really much better, no rly.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
lol. amen
This can count for the thread of the month.
Wow being a bad game and its developpers are conviced of that. ....WOW. 10/10.
As for that argument of "fear of competition". Which competition would you mean? Conan? lol
Warhammer? Let's see. In WotLK you have the siege engines of Warcraft 2 and 3. These games were lauched 8 years ago ... In Ironforge you can see the fighter planes that are used in WotLK. In Gnomerogon you see the fighter bombers of WotLK. Those were .... programmed 4 to 5 years ago.
So who copys what exactly?
Who are you?
And what post are you responding to?
What copying? Who is talking about copying?
And as for WoW being a bad game... I'm really not going into all that, but it really is a bad game. A game's quality as such is determined by the amount and quality of fun the game provides. If there is a game where an average end-game player spends 80%+ time not having fun but rather doing chores such as grinding mobs for rep, flying around, waiting in queues, waiting for a group to form, trying to get a raid to work, waiting for someone to do somehting so they can raid... then it is a bad game. By definition.
It may be a financially successful one because however bad it is the sad fact is that it is still the best, but it still is a bad game.
Again, WoW is the best - but it is bad. Just like some b/w TV models were the best at that moment but actually they were pretty bad. So, something can be "the best" but still "bad" at the same time. A better example - WWII tanks, germans had the best but they were bad.. Because the russians creamed them by better usage of an even more primitive technology by sloping their armor. The technology was there but germans didn't have the vision to use it to the full - ruskies beat them by having better concepts. It's conceptual superiority. Dig?
"In the land of the blind, one-eyed man is the king."
And this is a WAR forum, not WoW. Lets allow this pointless thread to die.
to quote a dirty alien in the least interesting of the start wars movies: "Mind tricks donnat work on me".
Sry but Its not like your gonna convince anyone that the worst thing is the best and vice versa. Sure some ppl think wow is crap (most of them are jsut haters). But wow is a quite old game now. If you say that the problem with wow is findign groups, simple solutions join a good guild. Sure you can dislkie the art style in wow (i do). but sayign that a game thats not even out is better than the leader in the lmarket is just plain stupid. Thats jsut spreadign the hype liek it was done with AOC, and we all know how good aoc is.
O and btw please dont whine and bash wow, that just copying all the aoc fanbois
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Ok first I would like to say I have not played WoW in over a year and nor do I plan to and nor do I ever plan to for that matter. Now that I have the whole ZOMG YOUR A FANBOI out of the way..
Give me a break dude you find one idea they are taking from somewhere else in order to keep their game interesting and you call them a copy cat. Hell AOC was a copy cat from hell and War hammer is going to be no different. Companies see Blizzards success so they are using all their ideas the thing they dont realize is, blizzard spent an ass load of money on advertising no like any other mmo ive seen other than SWG. I can already see it "man your so dumb war hammer wont be a copy cat /nerd rage!!!!!" Sorry kids but just like I predicted Tabula Rasa to blow, Auto Assault to blow, and AOC to blow and guess what? Turns out I was right all three times and no im putting out there Warhammer will blow and it WILL be a copy cat.
You fail to realise blizzard did public quests a long tim ago with AQ gate opening and more recently with patch 2.4.0 where players had to work for months to build a town, unlock dungeons, vendors and quests.. WoW does Public quests on a massive scale.. WAR just took the idea diluted it and served it up about a 100 times.
Except Blizzard's AQ gate opening was a 1 shot deal and worked nothing organizationally like WAR's PQ system so techincally its not a PQ it was a Server Event which is entirely a different thing. You'll see if you ever get to play WAR that there's a massive difference. I don't believe WAR copied or evolved their PQ system from WoW at all. Games have had server events like that for years, infact EQ1 had tons of them all the time. Nothing like logging on and the area your in was getting attacked by an angry god or it was halloween and at night cycle monsters came out and everyone was getting some pretty interesting gear.
WoW has never done anything unique. Not one system other than perhaps their organization of the UI is unique at all.
WAR basically takes server events makes them a constant event, smaller in scope, multiple stages them and makse it where anyone and everyone who participates gets something and you don't have to be grouped to even benefit as long as you attack something or heal someone you get something. It encourages you to work together without having to LFG. WoW's never done anything ever to encourage this sort of gameplay its all me me me with WoW.
As for their new achievement system...its just a Grind system for people who like carrots. WAR's is so much more than that its crazy. Its easy to use too if you ever get to use it yourself at a Con you'll laugh at WoW's system.
The ToK may not be a original / brand new but its pretty evolved from the standard which is nice.
Ok first I would like to say I have not played WoW in over a year and nor do I plan to and nor do I ever plan to for that matter. Now that I have the whole ZOMG YOUR A FANBOI out of the way..
Give me a break dude you find one idea they are taking from somewhere else in order to keep their game interesting and you call them a copy cat. Hell AOC was a copy cat from hell and War hammer is going to be no different. Companies see Blizzards success so they are using all their ideas the thing they dont realize is, blizzard spent an ass load of money on advertising no like any other mmo ive seen other than SWG. I can already see it "man your so dumb war hammer wont be a copy cat /nerd rage!!!!!" Sorry kids but just like I predicted Tabula Rasa to blow, Auto Assault to blow, and AOC to blow and guess what? Turns out I was right all three times and no im putting out there Warhammer will blow and it WILL be a copy cat.
Ok, I hate to break this to you, but nothing WoW did, at all, was original. Outside of an innovative UI(having a good UI isnt an "idea"), every game idea that they have in place was taken from other MMORPG's that were out at the time.
So, it makes no sense to call WAR, or AOC or any other game a WoW copycat, when WoW was nothing more than taking all the ideas they liked from other games and using them. How do you copycat a copycat? Wouldnt that mean they were copying the other games, and not WoW?
Its even more ironic and funny to hear these claims that WAR will be copying WoW when you realize that Warcraft itself was copied off of the lore and ideas of the Warhammer universe.
Too often, at least in my own experience, simplicity indicates a lack of depth. The easier and less confusing it is to figure out, the LESS there is to figure out.
Too often, at least in my own experience, simplicity indicates a lack of depth. The easier and less confusing it is to figure out, the LESS there is to figure out.
that doesn't make any sense . if were talking about a quest being confusing or how to get into the zone of uber whooparse then ya , confusing is ok . trying to use the ToK that is put in to keep track of quests , kill counts , stats and all that other good stuff should be simple and easy to use .
You touched right there as to why WoW is so popular IMO. WoW takes the ideas from others, simplifies them, and gives them to their community with almost 0 problems. I like this honestly. I am not a WoW fanboi but I do like the game enough to have played it for 3 years and then get burnt out like so many others. Except I go back to it every 6 months for about 2 months of play before getting burnt out again.
I think that might come to an end this fall. I end up going down to one day of WoW and quiting and never went back..
Maybe Blizz got jealous and thought since all those "wow-killers" where stealing from her she might do the same,steal some ideas .. Besides its not that Blizz owns the whole mmo universe,bringing innovative ideas,is it?! -_-
what blizz is doing is taking all the elements from the games around it and making those elements not only easy to use, but more appealing to the player. Its a sad but true scenario they keep using just to stay on top.
Maybe Blizz got jealous and thought since all those "wow-killers" where stealing from her she might do the same,steal some ideas .. Besides its not that Blizz owns the whole mmo universe,bringing innovative ideas,is it?! -_-
what blizz is doing is taking all the elements from the games around it and making those elements not only easy to use, but more appealing to the player. Its a sad but true scenario they keep using just to stay on top.
and it seems to be working !
im no WoW fanboi . i havent played the game since Blizzard decided to suck all the fun out of WoW 2 weeks before open beta . that being said i think Blizzard does a great job getting people into the game and playing instead of searching around a ToK for a half houre to find out how many more bunnies you need to kill for the flaming sword of pink bunny slaying !
Blizzard stealing ideas and not inventing there own is nothing new.
They just copy - paste -simplify.
Ohh everything's stolen nowadays! Why the fax machine is just a toaster with a telephone!
I don't find anything innately negative on copying features that you find tempting. If using a feature someone else has already used would always be a bad idea, there would be no gaming genres to start with. Once MMO's were innovated everyone doing it again is but a copycat. Thus, maybe instead of moaning over copied features people ought to value the willingness to "learn" from others that Blizzard is showing, something a great many game developers could learn from. I don't mind who is the originator of an idea for as long as the end-product, no matter how unoriginal, is good fun.