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Seriously.. at what point does mmorpg. com ditch support for this vaporware? (Admin attention pleas
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{sigh}
Let me try ONE more time here.
You said that I came here stating non facts (lies) above.
A) Which points in my OP were lies? (non facts)
You copped out totally on my question "B". But please tell me which points I made in the OP here that were lies and non facts?? That's what I'm really curious about
- Zaxx
Zaxx...
These guys will NEVER answer a direct question. Never. Truth is... They have NO answers. Their responses are all exactly the same. They shout "TROLL!" and demean anyone who hasn't taken a sip of the coolaid.
All they have ever had is the word of an UNKNOWN individual named Tasos, period. And surprisingly, that seems to be ALL they need, LOL!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.
Next week begins the month of August.
Still no announcement of beta. No official publisher. No deal with any site for direct downloads. No system even in place to "invite" people for beta we know of. No actual IN GAME footage of anything resembling the many, many features this game states are FULLY FUNCTIONAL and tested. No article in ANY legitimate gaming magazine. No PREVIEW by any gaming site. No presense at E3.
Wheh... Got tired typing there for a second.
This game "may" actually come out. But... Here's my point.
How can even the most moronic individual on the planet NOT question all of this?
Have i called you guys trolls? We are sick and tired of oyu guys saying things you have no idea or any proof what so ever.
I think everyone questions it but most of arent dumb enough to make assumptions and post them everytime df is mentioned.
August is when the articles are suppose to come. the VId will be in august. take achill pill please. your scarying me : (. Your not going to go suicidal are you?
OMFG. I give up on you.
You FAIL.
- Zaxx
I already given up on getting actuall facts from you coor catizone drac. Pol has gotten close but he doesnt have all the info needed to really back up the info he supplied. But hey at least i actully got you to give up.
This can only be one person.
It has to be the infamous DOWNTOEARTH...
I could be mistaken, but the poor grammer gives him away sometimes. LOL!
Dont get ahead of Your self
It might blow everything out of the water probly not in subs.
As long as taso is being fairly honest the game will do fine. and be a great mmorpg.
Yes...honesty....that....
If he is being honest, then apparently there are super programs that can beta test your game for you without needing a true beta. These "super bots" can apparently mimic actual game play provided by actual players and even simulate all the many stupid things these players can do. How in gods name that is even possible is beyond me....since running a SINGLE debugger program in the background ran AoC's performance into the ground. I can't imagine what running even 5 bot programs at once would do. Never you mind that for optimal results they would need around 10-50K computers running these bots one at a time.
Sounds like a hell of a waste of money compared to simply paying for the upkeep of one, single, beta server for an open beta and a decent closed one.
The game WON'T be fine. Something as professedly deep as this game is supposed to be would need twice the testing as the garbage these rollercoaster MMO's give us. What Tasos is telling us is that he requires LESS testing than games that have under 1/3 the content. Sure, you can RELEASE a game off just that.....it sure as hell doesn't mean its going to be GOOD, though.
Dont get ahead of Your self
It might blow everything out of the water probly not in subs.
As long as taso is being fairly honest the game will do fine. and be a great mmorpg.
Yes...honesty....that....
If he is being honest, then apparently there are super programs that can beta test your game for you without needing a true beta. These "super bots" can apparently mimic actual game play provided by actual players and even simulate all the many stupid things these players can do. How in gods name that is even possible is beyond me....since running a SINGLE debugger program in the background ran AoC's performance into the ground. I can't imagine what running even 5 bot programs at once would do. Never you mind that for optimal results they would need around 10-50K computers running these bots one at a time.
Sounds like a hell of a waste of money compared to simply paying for the upkeep of one, single, beta server for an open beta and a decent closed one.
The game WON'T be fine. Something as professedly deep as this game is supposed to be would need twice the testing as the garbage these rollercoaster MMO's give us. What Tasos is telling us is that he requires LESS testing than games that have under 1/3 the content. Sure, you can RELEASE a game off just that.....it sure as hell doesn't mean its going to be GOOD, though.
I think your giving Df Ai to much credit. He said Helping. thats it dont make things up really.
Bots can stress a servr like real players. then the professional testers. find bugs that pop up Bots can find certain bugs but it pretty much has to be scripted.
You do remember Taso saying it will stay in playtesting as long as it needs to right? Meaning they wont release it if its not ready.
You guys really need to stop blowing what taso says way out of porportion.
{sigh}
Let me try ONE more time here.
You said that I came here stating non facts (lies) above.
A) Which points in my OP were lies? (non facts)
You copped out totally on my question "B". But please tell me which points I made in the OP here that were lies and non facts?? That's what I'm really curious about
- Zaxx
Zaxx...
These guys will NEVER answer a direct question. Never. Truth is... They have NO answers. Their responses are all exactly the same. They shout "TROLL!" and demean anyone who hasn't taken a sip of the coolaid.
All they have ever had is the word of an UNKNOWN individual named Tasos, period. And surprisingly, that seems to be ALL they need, LOL!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.
Next week begins the month of August.
Still no announcement of beta. No official publisher. No deal with any site for direct downloads. No system even in place to "invite" people for beta we know of. No actual IN GAME footage of anything resembling the many, many features this game states are FULLY FUNCTIONAL and tested. No article in ANY legitimate gaming magazine. No PREVIEW by any gaming site. No presense at E3.
Wheh... Got tired typing there for a second.
This game "may" actually come out. But... Here's my point.
How can even the most moronic individual on the planet NOT question all of this?
Have i called you guys trolls? We are sick and tired of oyu guys saying things you have no idea or any proof what so ever.
I think everyone questions it but most of arent dumb enough to make assumptions and post them everytime df is mentioned.
August is when the articles are suppose to come. the VId will be in august. take achill pill please. your scarying me : (. Your not going to go suicidal are you?
I don't mind you disagreeing with me. BUT...
You never actually answer anything.
I put forth lots of items above to at least think about, haven't I? They are "legitimate" questions anyone would have regarding ANY title. They are NOT Darkfall specific.
But you NEVER answer any of those points, ever. Why not? Can you explain why a company with a game supposedly releasing in 5 months would have NONE of those items in place?
At least that would make for a decent discussion.
They are perfectly legitimate questions. You guys are supposedly defending the game but you don't respond with valid answers.
{sigh}
Let me try ONE more time here.
You said that I came here stating non facts (lies) above.
A) Which points in my OP were lies? (non facts)
You copped out totally on my question "B". But please tell me which points I made in the OP here that were lies and non facts?? That's what I'm really curious about
- Zaxx
Zaxx...
These guys will NEVER answer a direct question. Never. Truth is... They have NO answers. Their responses are all exactly the same. They shout "TROLL!" and demean anyone who hasn't taken a sip of the coolaid.
All they have ever had is the word of an UNKNOWN individual named Tasos, period. And surprisingly, that seems to be ALL they need, LOL!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.
Next week begins the month of August.
Still no announcement of beta. No official publisher. No deal with any site for direct downloads. No system even in place to "invite" people for beta we know of. No actual IN GAME footage of anything resembling the many, many features this game states are FULLY FUNCTIONAL and tested. No article in ANY legitimate gaming magazine. No PREVIEW by any gaming site. No presense at E3.
Wheh... Got tired typing there for a second.
This game "may" actually come out. But... Here's my point.
How can even the most moronic individual on the planet NOT question all of this?
Have i called you guys trolls? We are sick and tired of oyu guys saying things you have no idea or any proof what so ever.
I think everyone questions it but most of arent dumb enough to make assumptions and post them everytime df is mentioned.
August is when the articles are suppose to come. the VId will be in august. take achill pill please. your scarying me : (. Your not going to go suicidal are you?
I don't mind you disagreeing with me. BUT...
You never actually answer anything.
I put forth lots of items above to at least think about, haven't I? They are "legitimate" questions anyone would have regarding ANY title. They are NOT Darkfall specific.
But you NEVER answer any of those points, ever. Why not? Can you explain why a company with a game supposedly releasing in 5 months would have NONE of those items in place?
At least that would make for a decent discussion.
They are perfectly legitimate questions. You guys are supposedly defending the game but you don't respond with valid answers.
How can i answer? I dont work at aven i dont know what goes on in there minds. Im telling you guys to take a chill pill.
All i know is having that stuff in place doesnt make a game. just look at aoc please just look : (.
I think aven is just trying to save as much money as possible. remember they are self publishing. so theyc ant be doing that suff and be paying people for nothing. think out side of the box please. its the only way you will understand aventurine.
I'll take you up on it. My timetable though, is if there is no active beta OR solid release date by February 1st. I'll make my thread then. Deal?
No way!
You can't keep changing the rules and "pushing" back the dates every month. That's exactly what's been going on for years now.
Several well known supporters had this very same agreement last January. You can look up the threads if you care to.
Aragon and Downtoearth stated that beta was beginning in 2nd quarter 2008 FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY! Downtoearth CLAIMED to have (wink... wink...) inside information on this.
Most folks here, like Zorvan (I'm sure at least) would remember those statements.
Well... My point...
These dates have come and gone and still nothing. So you just can't keep pushing back the timetable to suit your arguments. Well, you can of course, but to what end?
MMORPG.com doesn't want to alienate the Darkfall developers before making a few bucks on some advertising revenue. Then if it fails to release and people have been suckered into losing money on preorders, MMORPG.com will remove their listing and claim ignorance just like MMORPG.com did with "Mourning' and "The Chronicle".
No follow up in depth articles were ever pursued by MMORPG.com to uncover or explain the shady going ons with those two vaporwares and no real scrutiny was applied to making sure they were legit before gleefully running their ads on this site.
Darkfall FTM ?
A name Tasos / Some screenshots / 1 video (always the same)/ No more no less.
But the best MMO of all times for sure
I'll take you up on it. My timetable though, is if there is no active beta OR solid release date by February 1st. I'll make my thread then. Deal?
Nope. Tasos already said beta AND release would be within 2008. So if you wanna add a timetable, that's the one.
Funny thing is, I gave Tdogskal an open timetable to accomodate him, and he never returned to accept ( although he posted in other threads afterwards, so I know he was still here ).
So come on, you guys all have such faith in Tasos and Aventurines' claims, why balk at a chance to put the money where the mouth is, so to speak?
Nope you can't claim that since Tasos gave impressions of already signing a publishing deal and the fanbois have already swallowed it hook, line, and sinker even though Darkfall is mentioned nowhere in the agreement which was stated, only "games".
You guys can't have it both ways, saying "They have a publisher!!" and "They are self publishing!!" alternatively depending on what is needed to prove their argument.
I'll take you up on it. My timetable though, is if there is no active beta OR solid release date by February 1st. I'll make my thread then. Deal?
Nope. Tasos already said beta AND release would be within 2008. So if you wanna add a timetable, that's the one.
Funny thing is, I gave Tdogskal an open timetable to accomodate him, and he never returned to accept ( although he posted in other threads afterwards, so I know he was still here ).
So come on, you guys all have such faith in Tasos and Aventurines' claims, why balk at a chance to put the money where the mouth is, so to speak?
Nope you can't claim that since Tasos gave impressions of already signing a publishing deal and the fanbois have already swallowed it hook, line, and sinker even though Darkfall is mentioned nowhere in the agreement which was stated, only "games".
You guys can't have it both ways, saying "They have a publisher!!" and "They are self publishing!!" alternatively depending on what is needed to prove their argument.
Couldn't agree more Zorvan.
There is ZERO chance of this actually being released in 2008.
I'll even take this one step further. I don't think they even have the servers or infrastructure needed to house an MMO. And even another step further. I don't see ANY mention of any agreement for any site to "house" the game. Without servers and infrastructure, you CANNOT support an online game. This is something we haven't even discussed previously.
But.. speaking for myself, I will be MORE than satisfied if ONLY "open" beta begins by the end of this year. At least if that happens, we can stop the back and forth arguments about whether the game "exists" or not. Then we can, at the very least, discuss the game on it's merits.
Perhaps this is something EVERYONE here can agree upon?
no pre orders will be sold
I'll take you up on it. My timetable though, is if there is no active beta OR solid release date by February 1st. I'll make my thread then. Deal?
Nope. Tasos already said beta AND release would be within 2008. So if you wanna add a timetable, that's the one.
Funny thing is, I gave Tdogskal an open timetable to accomodate him, and he never returned to accept ( although he posted in other threads afterwards, so I know he was still here ).
So come on, you guys all have such faith in Tasos and Aventurines' claims, why balk at a chance to put the money where the mouth is, so to speak?
Nope you can't claim that since Tasos gave impressions of already signing a publishing deal and the fanbois have already swallowed it hook, line, and sinker even though Darkfall is mentioned nowhere in the agreement which was stated, only "games".
You guys can't have it both ways, saying "They have a publisher!!" and "They are self publishing!!" alternatively depending on what is needed to prove their argument.
cough cough When did taso say that? i think thats just fans looking into it to much.
The only thing audio visual is is a distrubution partner not apublisher. taso already stated there still self publishing. sorry : / Try again?
O yes Taso never mention anything about audio visual it was the fans that found it. and taso just confirmed it and said thats for another announcmeant later on. meaning not everything is final and there wasnt plans on announcing it for a bit yet.
there already in beta. i epect playtesting to start i dont expect release to happen unless the way they have done this beta actully does work noone has tried it yet so who knows.
and i think the first update in june Taso did say playtesting will last as long as it needs to. meaning release isnt garrenteed so. Really guys your trying to hard. Im trying to save you from having these stupid arguemeants come back and bite you in the arse.
try to be reasonable if you cant do that. then why shouldnt you be banned for trolling then? not saying your a troll but come on.
And coor how can you say 0 chance? thats like me saying there 100% garrentee it will release this year. Or you get the point -_-
(As we've mentioned before we had been working on a self-publishing deal, and we've signed with AudioVisual Enterprises to work with us on the European distribution end of Darkfall's publishing. We will make an official announcement on this when it's time for it. Being a public company they are obligated to make a report of their dealings to the stock market and that's the announcement you read about. We're very happy to be working with them especially since we participate in the management of the project.)
Well he did say they did sign a deal. But MOu can be a deal depending on whats in that MOU.
But there is no official announcemeant about it. So we will know when its 100% go with AV.
But its just a distrubution deal anyways. if they use steam for the US, doesnt make steam there publisher..
another quote i found
http://www.euro2day.gr/news/enterpri...6/Article.aspx
AudioVisual Enterprises announces their cooperation with Aventurine SA that will deal with exclusive publishing, distribution and utilization of On Line games in all the European countries.
To that end AudioVisual will create a new Gaming Division, attributing to Aventurine a 35% of the sales in royalties. With the utilization of online games, AudioVisual estimates that it will avoid income loss from piracy of all kinds.
no pre orders will be sold
I love the one line responses of pure FACTS as we know it, LOL!
What exactly WILL they have?
Let's see...
They don''t need open beta testing. In-house only. Fully tested and guaranteed bug free.
They don't need an official publisher.
They don't need a site to house their game servers and provide connectivity for an MMO.
They don't need to market their product and advertise. Publishers DON'T just distribute games. They MARKET them. Even if Aventurine isn't marketing their own product, the publisher would surely perform those tasks. That's what publishers do. So, where is the marketing?
They don't need to have ANY pre-order sales which would not only give them needed income BUT provide them with a GOOD estimate on the number of EXPECTED users. This would be a tremendous help in determining how many servers will be needed at launch.
They don't need ANY professional gaming sites to have a sneak peek or a "hands on" look at the game. This would mean FREE advertising. Now what company on the planet would shy away from this?
All I hear is, "They are doing it THEIR way."
What way?
ROTF. ^5. Soo true and utterly funny. It's amazing how echoes of truth can be so damn funny!
I love the one line responses of pure FACTS as we know it, LOL!
What exactly WILL they have?
Let's see...
They don''t need open beta testing. In-house only. Fully tested and guaranteed bug free.
They don't need an official publisher.
They don't need a site to house their game servers and provide connectivity for an MMO.
They don't need to market their product and advertise. Publishers DON'T just distribute games. They MARKET them. Even if Aventurine isn't marketing their own product, the publisher would surely perform those tasks. That's what publishers do. So, where is the marketing?
They don't need to have ANY pre-order sales which would not only give them needed income BUT provide them with a GOOD estimate on the number of EXPECTED users. This would be a tremendous help in determining how many servers will be needed at launch.
They don't need ANY professional gaming sites to have a sneak peek or a "hands on" look at the game. This would mean FREE advertising. Now what company on the planet would shy away from this?
All I hear is, "They are doing it THEIR way."
What way?
ROTF. ^5. Soo true and utterly funny. It's amazing how echoes of truth can be so damn funny!
funny thing is thats not all true...
Playtesting will be open beta. it will stay in playtesting as long as it needs too.
there some other wrong things in there but hey im to lazy to correct him on that. this is the bs the fans get tired uf. Spin it what ever way you can to make aven look bad. shame on your guys really.
Actully ill bite.
Since aven is part of the managmeant of the distubution deal. thats still consider self publishing sorry its true.
There suppose to be media stuff inaugust about darkfall. Even if its in greece who cares there still real media. what magazine is going to pay to go to greece. to look at a game? really come on now ><
Not being at E3 that cost money and time and e3 is a a joke anyways.
The conference thing they went to is a real game place. alot of stuff said is ust twisted and wrong.
Blah Blah Oye Doye Duh Duh DUH! Nice typical response of a Darkfall fanboi. Just a whole lot of gibberish.
Spin it??? Those statements he made were all facts as of today.
You can keep proclaiming that Tasos said there will be an open beta and there will be this and will be that, but AS OF TODAY, everything he said is truth. And it is VERY funny. No, it's more then funny... It's freaking HILARIOUS!
- Zaxx