Do you REALLY think that Bioware and EA can make a game like SWG with all its features?
I cant wait for their version of housing system, crafting, space simulation, player cities...
I don't want a remake of SWG. I want a decent PRE-CU combat system and features that work.
The problem SWG had over it's history is that there was too much put in that was simply not finished. Having features that are constantly broken isn't enough.
Blizzard released WOW with far fewer features, but the features that were in at launch woked and people enjoyed the game. Over time they slowly patched in new content and features.
In contrast SOE attempted to launch too much at launch and ended up patching bug fixes instead of content.
Do you REALLY think that Bioware and EA can make a game like SWG with all its features?
I cant wait for their version of housing system, crafting, space simulation, player cities...
I don't want a remake of SWG. I want a decent PRE-CU combat system and features that work.
The problem SWG had over it's history is that there was too much put in that was simply not finished. Having features that are constantly broken isn't enough.
Blizzard released WOW with far fewer features, but the features that were in at launch woked and people enjoyed the game. Over time they slowly patched in new content and features.
In contrast SOE attempted to launch too much at launch and ended up patching bug fixes instead of content.
Thats why i dont like WoW, its too simple and boring, not enough stuff to do.
Why should I come back to SWG if it's being Replaced in the near future? Why should I make the investment of time, money, and energy only to see the game get shutdown? What's the point?
Do you REALLY think that Bioware and EA can make a game like SWG with all its features?
I cant wait for their version of housing system, crafting, space simulation, player cities...
do you think they will pull a nge? hell no.
edit: i hold no hope that bioware is making a sandbox game but i respect their ability to make a successful game. things need to evolve here...this game needs to fade away to heal the damage done to the i.p. and the fans. this next game wont be a sandbox for the same reason jedi lust killed the last one.
This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour.
Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it.
If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on.
SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
It hasn't been confirmed but it is very likely is will be BioWare's MMO.
And you use the word replace as if it would be similar gameplay. Truth is, we don't know anything about this game feature-wise, we don't even know if it's comming out for a year two years etc.
SWG will not be replaced, but it will have competition if a new Star Wars MMO comes out.
Why should I come back to SWG if it's being Replaced in the near future? Why should I make the investment of time, money, and energy only to see the game get shutdown? What's the point?
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Well to most of the MMO gamers I talk to, yeah it matters a lot. If you'd look at how most if not all MMOs are designed, you're always working towards something. You're gaining xp, trying to get new skills, new levels, badges, ranks, trying to get into the next zone, achieve the next level of city development etc, etc..
Your response doesn't surprise me though. SOE and its defenders have never seemed to grasp that players greatly value their ingame progress. That's another reason why they continue to fail.
Also, SOE has set a horrible precedent in terms of how they handle upcoming significant game changes. If people felt that they were going to get ample warning of a shut down, and a time to reflect on their ingame experiences, probably more would play even with the KOTOR news. As it is, however, people like me expect SOE to advertise great new things for the game, get as much money as they can, and then suddenly pull the plug.
In light of past behavior, I simply don't believe Smed's recent suggestions regarding the game's bright future, and he won't be getting any more of my money.
This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour. Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it. If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on. SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour. Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it. If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on. SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
The difference is that the Starter Kit rumor wasn't confirmed by the head of SOE or LEC. On the other hand, the BioWare's MMO is based on Star Wars rumor was in fact confirmed by the CEO of EA, who owns Bioware, and was the primary force behind EA buying BioWare, with their MMO being a primary reason behind it. It was in a reputable investment magazine no less.
I'm not sure why some folks are unconvinced. Unless EA's CEO is indicted for stock manipulation, which would be the case if he lied about BioWare's MMO, or someone from EA, BioWare, or LEC come out and claim the journalist from Conde Nast Portfolio magazine lied, I think we pretty well know the IP and timeline of the IP of BioWare's MMO.
Not only do I agree with ArcAngel3, I also agree with someforumguy. SWG will be the same PoS it currently is, even with BioWare making a new Star Wars based MMO. Without another full core game revamp, SWG will continue to be the worst MMO currently, and previously, available on the market. It is a horrible, unfun game, and if that doesn't keep you from playing, why would the possible imminent shutdown of the horrible mess that is SWG scare you away?
This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour. Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it. If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on. SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this. This person is not only in the know better than any end user gamer that is trying to speculate it as a "rumour," but there has been absolutly no comment, denial, confimation, spin, wink wink etc... from any of the principal companies related to this. Not from LA, SOE, Bioware, or follow up from EA.
On most every previous rumor there has been comment whether denial, spin, discredidation, confirmation from at least one of the principal companies related to the "rumour." How many times has Bioware come out and spun and said stuff in response to rumors like "we only work on our own IPs" implying SW is LA property, but KOTOR is a Bioware IP created by their own writers. It was just based and licensed off someone else's IP and thus not lying. This time everyone of them is completely mute.
They haven't even said that reporter was just smoking crack. The EA president allegedly quoted from hasn't even denied saying it. If it was wrong and LA had nothing to do with it they would be making corrections. Say something as they have on past rumors. They are completly mute.
They may be be mute because as a reward it is free publicity. The consequence is people that are on the fence will sit on that fence till they speak up to confirm or deny. But if it wasn't true what would they be creating publicity for, a game that doesn't exist? What? That makes no sense at all. Again it was the president of EA which owns Bioware. If there was ever a time to speak up, This "rumour" is it.
And yes the starter kit was just a "rumour." Of course since it can't be found in stores any more as evidence of its existance. Maybe it is still just a "rumour." The people that purchased it and own it could be as easily mistaken as the president of EA.
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This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour. Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it. If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on. SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this.
Just to clarify, it wasn't an industry reporter, it was a reporter for a well respected investment magazine. He didn't say it to some random guy from GameSpot, he said it to a reporter for Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. GameSpot posting an article containing false information has a much smaller chance of prompting an SEC investigation.
Also, the folks at BioWare changed their tune on 'not working with other people's IP' after they announced that they were making an MMO. In fact, one of the developers from BioWare posted that the 'not working on other people's IPs' was in fact the case, prior to them beginning work on the MMO. It was in response to a post discussing the IP of BioWare's MMO mentioning that someone from BioWare said that they were concentrating on their own IPs.
This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour. Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it. If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on. SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this.
Just to clarify, it wasn't an industry reporter, it was a reporter for a well respected investment magazine. He didn't say it to some random guy from GameSpot, he said it to a reporter for Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. GameSpot posting an article containing false information has a much smaller chance of prompting an SEC investigation.
Also, the folks at BioWare changed their tune on 'not working with other people's IP' after they announced that they were making an MMO. In fact, one of the developers from BioWare posted that the 'not working on other people's IPs' was in fact the case, prior to them beginning work on the MMO. It was in response to a post discussing the IP of BioWare's MMO mentioning that someone from BioWare said that they were concentrating on their own IPs.
Thank you for the corrections and clarifications about what I think are facts. I do appreciate it.
Now would you say my overall argument about this is a "rumour" that needs official commenting on is still valid even with the corrections. An investment magazine is still a respectful publication and the information given is the same and would still apply.
As far a bioware and previous rumors your descriptions are far more accurate. But and please correct me if I am wrong aren't those statements respones to previous rumors still. Not just random press releases but statements released after and for rumor clarifications. If so, where are those statements for this rumor.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour. Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it. If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on. SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this.
Just to clarify, it wasn't an industry reporter, it was a reporter for a well respected investment magazine. He didn't say it to some random guy from GameSpot, he said it to a reporter for Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. GameSpot posting an article containing false information has a much smaller chance of prompting an SEC investigation.
Also, the folks at BioWare changed their tune on 'not working with other people's IP' after they announced that they were making an MMO. In fact, one of the developers from BioWare posted that the 'not working on other people's IPs' was in fact the case, prior to them beginning work on the MMO. It was in response to a post discussing the IP of BioWare's MMO mentioning that someone from BioWare said that they were concentrating on their own IPs.
Thank you for the corrections and clarifications about what I think are facts. I do appreciate it.
Now would you say my overall argument about this is a "rumour" that needs official commenting on is still valid even with the corrections. An investment magazine is still a respectful publication and the information given is the same and would still apply.
As far a bioware and previous rumors your descriptions are far more accurate. But and please correct me if I am wrong aren't those statements respones to previous rumors still. Not just random press releases but statements released after and for rumor clarifications. If so, where are those statements for this rumor.
According to a now deleted post on a BioWare employee's blog, there was a company wide memo that told everyone working at EA not to comment on the article. The blog post asked how it can still be a secret when the top guy has already made it public. The post now says something along the lines of 'Nothing to see here and there never was, move along...'.
At this point, the IP is beyond rumor, but it hasn't been officially announced.
dont go back to the nge just stay away from it and mock it due to it being so bad also kotor online will end up being pre-cu bioware see's us vets as the main player base so we will get our game back and it will be even better.
There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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dont go back to the nge just stay away from it and mock it due to it being so bad also kotor online will end up being pre-cu bioware see's us vets as the main player base so we will get our game back and it will be even better.
There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
dont go back to the nge just stay away from it and mock it due to it being so bad also kotor online will end up being pre-cu bioware see's us vets as the main player base so we will get our game back and it will be even better.
There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
I honestly don't think it matters anymore, there's enough demand for a Star Wars mmo of any variety now, SWG screwed the pooch badly enough to ensure they will never, ever pull in a subscriber base even remotely worthy of the IP. I'd happily take a WoW Star Wars reskin now, sure it won't be a sandbox but honestly, I couldn't care less just as long as there's a SW based mmo out there that has some tiny bit of playability.
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dont go back to the nge just stay away from it and mock it due to it being so bad also kotor online will end up being pre-cu bioware see's us vets as the main player base so we will get our game back and it will be even better.
There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
I honestly don't think it matters anymore, there's enough demand for a Star Wars mmo of any variety now, SWG screwed the pooch badly enough to ensure they will never, ever pull in a subscriber base even remotely worthy of the IP. I'd happily take a WoW Star Wars reskin now, sure it won't be a sandbox but honestly, I couldn't care less just as long as there's a SW based mmo out there that has some tiny bit of playability.
/agree, somewhat. The day of a total sandbox seems to be over, However, I've had a rather long convo with Ledaye, Creative Director of SGW, which is supposed to be an MMO based heavilly on "story" and what I'm getting out of that is, developers are willing to include some sandbox features and content if you show them how it will benefit them and their product.
It's actually nice to even be able to dis-agree with a dev and have them come back to the discussion. I've never seen that happen with any dev in SOE. With SOE, you tell em their great and they'll talk to you. You tell them they screwed up, and back to dev oblivian, they go. SOE Austin seems to be based on total ego.
Why should I come back to SWG if it's being Replaced in the near future? Why should I make the investment of time, money, and energy only to see the game get shutdown? What's the point?
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Because I'm paying - yes it matters greatly.
But if you're having fun for each month that you pay for, then wouldn't you be getting your money's worth?
dont go back to the nge just stay away from it and mock it due to it being so bad also kotor online will end up being pre-cu bioware see's us vets as the main player base so we will get our game back and it will be even better.
There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
I honestly don't think it matters anymore, there's enough demand for a Star Wars mmo of any variety now, SWG screwed the pooch badly enough to ensure they will never, ever pull in a subscriber base even remotely worthy of the IP. I'd happily take a WoW Star Wars reskin now, sure it won't be a sandbox but honestly, I couldn't care less just as long as there's a SW based mmo out there that has some tiny bit of playability.
/agree, somewhat. The day of a total sandbox seems to be over, However, I've had a rather long convo with Ledaye, Creative Director of SGW, which is supposed to be an MMO based heavilly on "story" and what I'm getting out of that is, developers are willing to include some sandbox features and content if you show them how it will benefit them and their product.
It's actually nice to even be able to dis-agree with a dev and have them come back to the discussion. I've never seen that happen with any dev in SOE. With SOE, you tell em their great and they'll talk to you. You tell them they screwed up, and back to dev oblivian, they go. SOE Austin seems to be based on total ego.
And when they fail they let their egos fall back on the great SOE fallacy of "For the health of the game."
Every time I've seen them introduce something that is vastly unpopular with its player base, its always accompanied with "we are doing this for the long term health of the game." Healthy games have healthy server populations, and there is definitely a paradox in the logic chain when you are pushing your players towards a cliff while reassuring them its for the greater good. That's SOE.. no loyalty to anything or anyone but its bottom line.
Sandbox elements in games will balance the required linear elements that every has now days, but I think the problem is that many people haven't seen them used successfully. Game design is like writing music.. some developers can only write simplistic pop music but lack the talent or knowledge musically to score a Jazz tune. Sandbox elements in games are like the Jazz tune.. they take very talented people with a lot of vision to make it work.
Why should I come back to SWG if it's being Replaced in the near future? Why should I make the investment of time, money, and energy only to see the game get shutdown? What's the point?
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Well to most of the MMO gamers I talk to, yeah it matters a lot. If you'd look at how most if not all MMOs are designed, you're always working towards something. You're gaining xp, trying to get new skills, new levels, badges, ranks, trying to get into the next zone, achieve the next level of city development etc, etc..
Your response doesn't surprise me though. SOE and its defenders have never seemed to grasp that players greatly value their ingame progress. That's another reason why they continue to fail.
Also, SOE has set a horrible precedent in terms of how they handle upcoming significant game changes. If people felt that they were going to get ample warning of a shut down, and a time to reflect on their ingame experiences, probably more would play even with the KOTOR news. As it is, however, people like me expect SOE to advertise great new things for the game, get as much money as they can, and then suddenly pull the plug.
In light of past behavior, I simply don't believe Smed's recent suggestions regarding the game's bright future, and he won't be getting any more of my money.
Somehwhere on my comp I saved a screenshot of a forum posting (or possibly an email) from a dev or CSR where he asked this person to consider his investment of time in SWG before canceling.
If SoE encourages people to consider their "investment of time" does that not translate into something beyond just having fun? Does it not imply a value to people's work, even if it is work invloved in a game?
So, what would be the purpose of one's "investment of time" if their is no future in which you could enjoy the fruits of that labor?
Why should I come back to SWG if it's being Replaced in the near future? Why should I make the investment of time, money, and energy only to see the game get shutdown? What's the point?
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Because I'm paying - yes it matters greatly.
because your paying its YOUR choice what YOU want to do, not bill, bob, joe, billybob, what do you want to do if you wanna play till it comes out then play if not then play another game.
Why should I come back to SWG if it's being Replaced in the near future? Why should I make the investment of time, money, and energy only to see the game get shutdown? What's the point?
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Because I'm paying - yes it matters greatly.
because your paying its YOUR choice what YOU want to do, not bill, bob, joe, billybob, what do you want to do if you wanna play till it comes out then play if not then play another game.
I never said it should be anyone else's choice. What I am saying is that I want to know that the commitement I make to a community will not be discarded at a moments notice. I don't think anyone really wants that.
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I don't want a remake of SWG. I want a decent PRE-CU combat system and features that work.
The problem SWG had over it's history is that there was too much put in that was simply not finished. Having features that are constantly broken isn't enough.
Blizzard released WOW with far fewer features, but the features that were in at launch woked and people enjoyed the game. Over time they slowly patched in new content and features.
In contrast SOE attempted to launch too much at launch and ended up patching bug fixes instead of content.
I don't want a remake of SWG. I want a decent PRE-CU combat system and features that work.
The problem SWG had over it's history is that there was too much put in that was simply not finished. Having features that are constantly broken isn't enough.
Blizzard released WOW with far fewer features, but the features that were in at launch woked and people enjoyed the game. Over time they slowly patched in new content and features.
In contrast SOE attempted to launch too much at launch and ended up patching bug fixes instead of content.
Thats why i dont like WoW, its too simple and boring, not enough stuff to do.
you shouldn't.
do you think they will pull a nge? hell no.
edit: i hold no hope that bioware is making a sandbox game but i respect their ability to make a successful game. things need to evolve here...this game needs to fade away to heal the damage done to the i.p. and the fans. this next game wont be a sandbox for the same reason jedi lust killed the last one.
I bet Bioware will do like most developers these days:
1. Buy great IP
2. Make theme park mmo with raids and battlegrounds and one or two new features to say they are different than anybody else.
3. Grab the profit.
Player cities, shifting ressources, social encentives in the game, freedom of choice, skills will not be included.
Hell there probably won't be space f(l)ight at launch.
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This thread needs more sense of realism. The 'Bioware KOTOR mmo' is just another rumour.
Also, since when can you talk about 'the near future' if a game hasnt officially been announced yet? Just look at every single MMO how long it took before they released it AFTER they officially announced it.
If you are going to wait for this game (no one really has a clue what, how or even when itll be), you might as well skip it right away and keep waiting for the next better game and so on.
SWG will be SWG in the near future, you only have to follow the rescent update threads for that without even playing the game
It hasn't been confirmed but it is very likely is will be BioWare's MMO.
And you use the word replace as if it would be similar gameplay. Truth is, we don't know anything about this game feature-wise, we don't even know if it's comming out for a year two years etc.
SWG will not be replaced, but it will have competition if a new Star Wars MMO comes out.
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Well to most of the MMO gamers I talk to, yeah it matters a lot. If you'd look at how most if not all MMOs are designed, you're always working towards something. You're gaining xp, trying to get new skills, new levels, badges, ranks, trying to get into the next zone, achieve the next level of city development etc, etc..
Your response doesn't surprise me though. SOE and its defenders have never seemed to grasp that players greatly value their ingame progress. That's another reason why they continue to fail.
Also, SOE has set a horrible precedent in terms of how they handle upcoming significant game changes. If people felt that they were going to get ample warning of a shut down, and a time to reflect on their ingame experiences, probably more would play even with the KOTOR news. As it is, however, people like me expect SOE to advertise great new things for the game, get as much money as they can, and then suddenly pull the plug.
In light of past behavior, I simply don't believe Smed's recent suggestions regarding the game's bright future, and he won't be getting any more of my money.
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
The difference is that the Starter Kit rumor wasn't confirmed by the head of SOE or LEC. On the other hand, the BioWare's MMO is based on Star Wars rumor was in fact confirmed by the CEO of EA, who owns Bioware, and was the primary force behind EA buying BioWare, with their MMO being a primary reason behind it. It was in a reputable investment magazine no less.
I'm not sure why some folks are unconvinced. Unless EA's CEO is indicted for stock manipulation, which would be the case if he lied about BioWare's MMO, or someone from EA, BioWare, or LEC come out and claim the journalist from Conde Nast Portfolio magazine lied, I think we pretty well know the IP and timeline of the IP of BioWare's MMO.
Not only do I agree with ArcAngel3, I also agree with someforumguy. SWG will be the same PoS it currently is, even with BioWare making a new Star Wars based MMO. Without another full core game revamp, SWG will continue to be the worst MMO currently, and previously, available on the market. It is a horrible, unfun game, and if that doesn't keep you from playing, why would the possible imminent shutdown of the horrible mess that is SWG scare you away?
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this. This person is not only in the know better than any end user gamer that is trying to speculate it as a "rumour," but there has been absolutly no comment, denial, confimation, spin, wink wink etc... from any of the principal companies related to this. Not from LA, SOE, Bioware, or follow up from EA.
On most every previous rumor there has been comment whether denial, spin, discredidation, confirmation from at least one of the principal companies related to the "rumour." How many times has Bioware come out and spun and said stuff in response to rumors like "we only work on our own IPs" implying SW is LA property, but KOTOR is a Bioware IP created by their own writers. It was just based and licensed off someone else's IP and thus not lying. This time everyone of them is completely mute.
They haven't even said that reporter was just smoking crack. The EA president allegedly quoted from hasn't even denied saying it. If it was wrong and LA had nothing to do with it they would be making corrections. Say something as they have on past rumors. They are completly mute.
They may be be mute because as a reward it is free publicity. The consequence is people that are on the fence will sit on that fence till they speak up to confirm or deny. But if it wasn't true what would they be creating publicity for, a game that doesn't exist? What? That makes no sense at all. Again it was the president of EA which owns Bioware. If there was ever a time to speak up, This "rumour" is it.
And yes the starter kit was just a "rumour." Of course since it can't be found in stores any more as evidence of its existance. Maybe it is still just a "rumour." The people that purchased it and own it could be as easily mistaken as the president of EA.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this.
Just to clarify, it wasn't an industry reporter, it was a reporter for a well respected investment magazine. He didn't say it to some random guy from GameSpot, he said it to a reporter for Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. GameSpot posting an article containing false information has a much smaller chance of prompting an SEC investigation.
Also, the folks at BioWare changed their tune on 'not working with other people's IP' after they announced that they were making an MMO. In fact, one of the developers from BioWare posted that the 'not working on other people's IPs' was in fact the case, prior to them beginning work on the MMO. It was in response to a post discussing the IP of BioWare's MMO mentioning that someone from BioWare said that they were concentrating on their own IPs.
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this.
Just to clarify, it wasn't an industry reporter, it was a reporter for a well respected investment magazine. He didn't say it to some random guy from GameSpot, he said it to a reporter for Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. GameSpot posting an article containing false information has a much smaller chance of prompting an SEC investigation.
Also, the folks at BioWare changed their tune on 'not working with other people's IP' after they announced that they were making an MMO. In fact, one of the developers from BioWare posted that the 'not working on other people's IPs' was in fact the case, prior to them beginning work on the MMO. It was in response to a post discussing the IP of BioWare's MMO mentioning that someone from BioWare said that they were concentrating on their own IPs.
Thank you for the corrections and clarifications about what I think are facts. I do appreciate it.
Now would you say my overall argument about this is a "rumour" that needs official commenting on is still valid even with the corrections. An investment magazine is still a respectful publication and the information given is the same and would still apply.
As far a bioware and previous rumors your descriptions are far more accurate. But and please correct me if I am wrong aren't those statements respones to previous rumors still. Not just random press releases but statements released after and for rumor clarifications. If so, where are those statements for this rumor.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
dont go back to the nge just stay away from it and mock it due to it being so bad
also kotor online will end up being pre-cu bioware see's us vets as the main player base so we will get our game back and it will be even better.
I remember a "rumour" about something called a starter kit too...
To piggy back. This "rumour" isn't the typical variety. This isn't the case of my brother's nephew's girlfriend's garbageman saw a memo fall out of a dumpster and Bioware's name was on it. It was the president of EA at the industry's annual convention talking to an industy repoter that said this.
Just to clarify, it wasn't an industry reporter, it was a reporter for a well respected investment magazine. He didn't say it to some random guy from GameSpot, he said it to a reporter for Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. GameSpot posting an article containing false information has a much smaller chance of prompting an SEC investigation.
Also, the folks at BioWare changed their tune on 'not working with other people's IP' after they announced that they were making an MMO. In fact, one of the developers from BioWare posted that the 'not working on other people's IPs' was in fact the case, prior to them beginning work on the MMO. It was in response to a post discussing the IP of BioWare's MMO mentioning that someone from BioWare said that they were concentrating on their own IPs.
Thank you for the corrections and clarifications about what I think are facts. I do appreciate it.
Now would you say my overall argument about this is a "rumour" that needs official commenting on is still valid even with the corrections. An investment magazine is still a respectful publication and the information given is the same and would still apply.
As far a bioware and previous rumors your descriptions are far more accurate. But and please correct me if I am wrong aren't those statements respones to previous rumors still. Not just random press releases but statements released after and for rumor clarifications. If so, where are those statements for this rumor.
According to a now deleted post on a BioWare employee's blog, there was a company wide memo that told everyone working at EA not to comment on the article. The blog post asked how it can still be a secret when the top guy has already made it public. The post now says something along the lines of 'Nothing to see here and there never was, move along...'.
At this point, the IP is beyond rumor, but it hasn't been officially announced.
There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
I honestly don't think it matters anymore, there's enough demand for a Star Wars mmo of any variety now, SWG screwed the pooch badly enough to ensure they will never, ever pull in a subscriber base even remotely worthy of the IP. I'd happily take a WoW Star Wars reskin now, sure it won't be a sandbox but honestly, I couldn't care less just as long as there's a SW based mmo out there that has some tiny bit of playability.
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There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
I honestly don't think it matters anymore, there's enough demand for a Star Wars mmo of any variety now, SWG screwed the pooch badly enough to ensure they will never, ever pull in a subscriber base even remotely worthy of the IP. I'd happily take a WoW Star Wars reskin now, sure it won't be a sandbox but honestly, I couldn't care less just as long as there's a SW based mmo out there that has some tiny bit of playability.
/agree, somewhat. The day of a total sandbox seems to be over, However, I've had a rather long convo with Ledaye, Creative Director of SGW, which is supposed to be an MMO based heavilly on "story" and what I'm getting out of that is, developers are willing to include some sandbox features and content if you show them how it will benefit them and their product.
It's actually nice to even be able to dis-agree with a dev and have them come back to the discussion. I've never seen that happen with any dev in SOE. With SOE, you tell em their great and they'll talk to you. You tell them they screwed up, and back to dev oblivian, they go. SOE Austin seems to be based on total ego.
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Because I'm paying - yes it matters greatly.
But if you're having fun for each month that you pay for, then wouldn't you be getting your money's worth?
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There is absolutely no chance that KOTOR Online will be anything close to pre-CU.
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Would I like new Pre-CU type of sandbox game? Yes
Is Bioware making one? No
I agree with kobie173. The chances are very slim to it being anywhere near Pre-CU
I honestly don't think it matters anymore, there's enough demand for a Star Wars mmo of any variety now, SWG screwed the pooch badly enough to ensure they will never, ever pull in a subscriber base even remotely worthy of the IP. I'd happily take a WoW Star Wars reskin now, sure it won't be a sandbox but honestly, I couldn't care less just as long as there's a SW based mmo out there that has some tiny bit of playability.
/agree, somewhat. The day of a total sandbox seems to be over, However, I've had a rather long convo with Ledaye, Creative Director of SGW, which is supposed to be an MMO based heavilly on "story" and what I'm getting out of that is, developers are willing to include some sandbox features and content if you show them how it will benefit them and their product.
It's actually nice to even be able to dis-agree with a dev and have them come back to the discussion. I've never seen that happen with any dev in SOE. With SOE, you tell em their great and they'll talk to you. You tell them they screwed up, and back to dev oblivian, they go. SOE Austin seems to be based on total ego.
And when they fail they let their egos fall back on the great SOE fallacy of "For the health of the game."
Every time I've seen them introduce something that is vastly unpopular with its player base, its always accompanied with "we are doing this for the long term health of the game." Healthy games have healthy server populations, and there is definitely a paradox in the logic chain when you are pushing your players towards a cliff while reassuring them its for the greater good. That's SOE.. no loyalty to anything or anyone but its bottom line.
Sandbox elements in games will balance the required linear elements that every has now days, but I think the problem is that many people haven't seen them used successfully. Game design is like writing music.. some developers can only write simplistic pop music but lack the talent or knowledge musically to score a Jazz tune. Sandbox elements in games are like the Jazz tune.. they take very talented people with a lot of vision to make it work.
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Well to most of the MMO gamers I talk to, yeah it matters a lot. If you'd look at how most if not all MMOs are designed, you're always working towards something. You're gaining xp, trying to get new skills, new levels, badges, ranks, trying to get into the next zone, achieve the next level of city development etc, etc..
Your response doesn't surprise me though. SOE and its defenders have never seemed to grasp that players greatly value their ingame progress. That's another reason why they continue to fail.
Also, SOE has set a horrible precedent in terms of how they handle upcoming significant game changes. If people felt that they were going to get ample warning of a shut down, and a time to reflect on their ingame experiences, probably more would play even with the KOTOR news. As it is, however, people like me expect SOE to advertise great new things for the game, get as much money as they can, and then suddenly pull the plug.
In light of past behavior, I simply don't believe Smed's recent suggestions regarding the game's bright future, and he won't be getting any more of my money.
Somehwhere on my comp I saved a screenshot of a forum posting (or possibly an email) from a dev or CSR where he asked this person to consider his investment of time in SWG before canceling.
If SoE encourages people to consider their "investment of time" does that not translate into something beyond just having fun? Does it not imply a value to people's work, even if it is work invloved in a game?
So, what would be the purpose of one's "investment of time" if their is no future in which you could enjoy the fruits of that labor?
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Because I'm paying - yes it matters greatly.
because your paying its YOUR choice what YOU want to do, not bill, bob, joe, billybob, what do you want to do if you wanna play till it comes out then play if not then play another game.
Whether the game is about to be replaced or not (IMO, I'm not yet sold on this current "news"), if you're paying monthly and you're having fun, does it matter?
Because I'm paying - yes it matters greatly.
because your paying its YOUR choice what YOU want to do, not bill, bob, joe, billybob, what do you want to do if you wanna play till it comes out then play if not then play another game.
I never said it should be anyone else's choice. What I am saying is that I want to know that the commitement I make to a community will not be discarded at a moments notice. I don't think anyone really wants that.
For as long as this games making money it'll stay open, theres room for two SW mmorpgs because they'll be very different from eachother.
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