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Why this game was such a letdown, from a fanboy's perspective
admriker444
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After seeing post after post stating "its just a game" or "its not so bad" I'd thought I'd set the record straight from a fanboy's perspective. And when I say "fanboy", Im referring to someone like me who waited in line to see Star Wars back in 1977.
The anticipation probably could never live up to the name, check out episode 1-2, Matrix Revolutions, etc to see what a long wait can do to someone's hope. However SOE played a part in overhyping the game. There were screenshots of stormtroopers questioning a cantina owner and the owner was shown pointing at a toon. This gave the impression that npc's would be actively hunting us. There was postings by SOE devs talking about the revolutionary nature of NPC interaction with players. Once in the game, we got a small taste of perhaps what the devs wanted to do... a twilek slave girl ran up to me one night on tatooine and gave me a disc right before she was killed by storm troopers. Nothing ever happened after that, the girl never spawned soon after for anyone and devs were silent on the issue. I guess I and others expected a lot more than we got from SOE. I dont feel its our fault for being utterely disgusted with the failed attempts and broken promises from Sony.
This is Star Wars, if you dont understand why I'm upset or others are... you just dont get it then, you're not a true fan of the genre. Star Wars was the biggest event of my life, right behind my marriage and my children being born. For many like me, this movie defined our generation's hopes and aspirations. It reminded us of our childhood. Its kinda like watching the Moon landing or reading it in a text book 25 years later... just not the same impact (i cant even begin to imagine the feeling my parents had watching that). For us, this was the ultimate chance to live and interact in Star Wars. This game drew many of us who had never played a mmorpg before. We simply couldnt pass up the chance.
The first month was a big learning curve for me. I had plenty of rpg experience but nothing prepared me for playing with 290k other players. At first it was amazing getting to see Leia or follwing up a rumor and spotting Han Solo in Lok cantina. However, soon after it was pretty obvious this game wasnt very good. Bugs, nerfs, and lack of content really killed it for many. The population really dropped after October when many had signed up for 3 month subscriptions. The rest of us hung on hoping to unlock the mysterious jedi quest. Of course when it was later revealed to be a joke, I and my friends quit. I came back a few months later after receiving an email stating a new system would be in place. Sadly, it took 6 months for SOE to put in a so-called new system and again I quit.
Funny thing is, I kinda miss it. Not the game itself, but the chance to live in star wars a galaxy far away. If SOE had one person on their staff of devs with half the passion and love for star wars as I do... this game wouldn't be in the sorry shape it is. I recall reading on the forums that most of the devs play CoH. No wonder the game is bad and the devs dont get what all the complaints are about. They dont get it....
Praying SWG 2 is made, and made by someone else.
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Well Riker....My account closes on the 19th Sept' I log on and enjoy the music, sights and sounds of the SWG universe....but it's bloody boring place to be. There is very little to do. My guild have virtually gone tits up and the oppurtunites of making new friends in this shoddy "solo grouping game" are close to nil. I have mastered only scout, marksman, bh and swordsman, but have no interest in mastering another combat profession in the knowledge i never have to leave dantooine!
I did have a MTKA alt on tempest....probably the loneliest server there is. Even tried going imp and actually meet darth. Guess what same old missions escort a guy, kill a guy....and the old fav' talk to a npc who is hostile to you and always attacks you.....
In the end i suppose it's just a game...and not a very good one.
Pan
Pazza Master BH, swordsman, master of mastering pointless professions, master of standing around in starport, wondering what to do
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Pan
You know I see a lot of posts by you about how bad this game is. What I never see from you is suggestions on how to make it better.
I'd love to see the link to the post that the DEV's play CoH.
He does this all the time lol...like the DEVs over their killed his family and he has this uncontrollable hatred lol
Hell, I canceled my account too but I sure as hell aren't trying mad hell as admriker is to say about how bad the game is lol.....reminds me of a little girl in first grade that would follow behind a boy and in intermitted timed intervals would jump out from behind a tree and scream:
YOU SUCK AND YOU SMELL LIKE PISS!
and then jumps back behind the tree and disappears. She then follows the confused boy around the schoolyard once more for a few minutes and then does the same exact thing. No one knows why she's doing it and all the boys and girls are very curious to her behavior.
Then we when all become adults we realize why she did what she did:
Because deep down, she really loved the boy but she didn't know how to process her feelings and inform that boy of her affections towards him.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Oh well, thought I could reach a few of the folks here who dont get it. Like I said, if you dont understand why I'm disappointed then you're no true lifelong fan like I am. Kinda like seeing a television commercial and thinking "hmm that was stupid." You might think it was dumb, however if you didnt get the selling point then odds are the message wasnt intended towards you. IE. you werent the target audience, therefore the message wouldnt appeal to you. Same principle here that you just helped me prove even more. The fact that you dont understand why I'm so disgusted over the failure of swg just proves my point... you're not true lifelong fans who waited in line back in 1977 to see the greatest movie of all time.
My whole point here was to try and get you guys to understand why myself and thousands of others were so upset over the failure of this game. To understand, you'd have to judge our position from my shoes, not your own which you're obviously still doing. Wear my shoes for 5 seconds and you'd more then understand why. Stop saying idiotic comments like they must have killed my family, etc because you judge my points based on your own narrow point of view.
From your point of view its just another game to try out. To myself and other fans its a lot more important than that. Place yourself in my shoes for a min.... its 1977 and the movie just came out. You left the theatre stunned after seeing the best movie ever. You collect all the toys and everyone in the neighborhood plays with nothing else but star wars toys. The next two movies come out, you dream of becoming a jedi knight. As you become an adult you attend conventions meeting Mark Hammil, etc. You read all the books, check the internet for rumors, etc. Finally the new movies come out, etc. 26 years of having a passion for something leads to this game... and it ends up sucking. Those are my shoes, this wasnt just a simple game to me. And dont think Im some kinda weirdo either, there are millions of fans out there who feel the same (you want obsessive, see trekkies lol)
This is a life lesson here gentleman, remember to NOT judge an opinion or idea simply based on your own life experience. Otherwise, we end up having major issues like wars fought all because people tend to judge, understand, relate, and comunicate based on their own limited point of view. Again, if you pllace yourself in myself ad thousands of others shoes you'd totally get why we feel cheated by SOE. That was all I was trying to say.
On the comment about devs... I recall reading it on CoH forums back around 1-2 months after launch. It was a thread called ex-swg players (something like that) and it mentioned several devs by name that played CoH to include Thunderheart.
Dude, I'm 36. I stood in the line more times than I can remember. I had all the toys, I pretended I was a frickin Jedi just like every other kid.
I played SWG from launch to October. I do not like the game anymore. I will never play that game again. But I also will not come on here (anymore
) and whine about the game.
Don't lump us in with your "1000's of people who feel cheated." I don't feel cheated at all, I moved on to a game I'm thuroughly(sp?) enjoying, why don't you do the same?
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Oh my that is just so sad
LET IT GO
Im a Star Wars Fan. I remember watching the very first movie in kindergarten. I had every single character plus vehicles...I had all the cards, just like motor said..."I pretended to be a Jedi as a little child", I had the music, I read the books, I made my mom buy me all the Hardees fast food glasses with pictures of Return of the Jedi on them, I had dozens of books that came with the little record LPs, i had tons of Star Wars model kits, I had the original pre-vamped Star Wars when I was 8 and still have them (Im 30 now), I dressed up like Luke Skywalker on Spirit Week at college when they stressed 70's day...everyone else was wearing hippy stuff, me and 30 other people walked around in Storm Trooper gear and sh*t, I read the comics, I even recorded the shitty ewok specials on TV back in 1985 and still have them, I played the pen and paper Star War RPG game, I knew about the prequals back in 1991. I would safely assume I am a Star Wars fan and I would safely assume your comment cannot be further from the truth.
That comment you made is just plain WRONG.
The thing is...I realize SWG is ONLY a game. Don't act li ke it's your freakin answer to salvation or you're going to go insane with it. Ok, it sucks, let it go and move on....
all of us that stopped playing it moved on.........
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
There wasn't much of a line when I saw the first movie, since no one know who this George Lucas fellow was really, as THX never made it main stream, but that's neither here nor there, and the magic was lost for me when the released that horrid movie they call Return of the Jedi, again not really the point.
Despite all your posturing and "stand in my shoes" speaches, my statement still stands: It is easy to critizise someone else's ideas when your own aren't made for public ridicule. I still have not heard one single suggestion from you on how to make the game better.
Do you know how Thunderheart got his job at SOE? Didn't you say you were a beta tester? If you were then you would know, but for those of you who weren't (but from reading these boards I don't think a single person that posts here has ever been left out of a single beta test
), TH got his job becasue he was a simple Beta Tester. That's it. He just played the game and gave his feedback. Do don't doubt for a second that TH plays SWG.
Oh and as for the advertising, the advertisers want you to think "That was dumb" because when you go to the store and see the product on the shelf you'll say "They have that dumb comericial, I'll try there stuff and show them how dumb it is" People remember dumb just was well as funny.
I for one have to agree with Admriker.
I am huge fan of star wars and am here to say I am horribly dissappointed in teh game as a whole. Its like they picked a bunch of devs intentionally who knew nothing about or could care less about Star Wars.
As for you critics who say make suggestions that will make it better....Fine
1. No player jedi OR hand pick them from a roster of outstanding players.
2.Rebalance the game so that guns are the weapon of choice instead of melee.
3. remove mission booths for everyone except BH. quests should be deep and long and given by NPCs
4. remove COVERT status. Either be rebel imp or neutral. this prevents the ganking that goes on and encourages actual battles between the factions.
5. Take dizzy out of the game. This one change could fix the PVP system.
6. let smugglers smuggle something.
7. take away the uber buffs, food, and armor that have turned the game into a solofest.
You wanted them so there they are. SOE ruined Star wars and If I had one wish it would be that Lucasarts would yank the contract away from SOE and give it to blizzard or turbine.
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Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
You honestly have no idea what you are talking about do you?
I wonder if you even play the game?
Talking out of your arse like that just really makes you look foolish man i feel bad for you I really do. I dont know what fantasy server you play on but I play on a heavily populated one called ahazi and if your server has more ranged than melee then you people obviously dont know how to def stack and use food properly.
Good luck with whatever strange stuff makes you that way
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"we're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs....drink up me hearties yo ho"
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
LOL nice try. If that's all you can come up with, save your pity for yourself.
Let me clarify this a little bit: Out of everything I said, the only thing you can argue with is I said CM's and Riflemen are PvP kings? I never said anything about there being more guns or melee PvP'ers, never said anything about def stacking. I simply said the the Dizzy/KD isn't the worst thing in PvP anymore. Somehow I don't know what I'm talking about?
While we're on the subject of talking out of arses. What's your character's name on Ahzi? I want to see you holding a lighsaber, personally I think you're full of it.
Now I really know you are full of it. Being force sensitive doesnt get you a light saber anymore. All you gotta do to be FS now is do some POI's and have enough xp to trade in at the village to open up the FS trees. NO lightsaber NO robe just a long ass grind of pure xp any kind you like.
You then trade it in at the village at a rate of 30 xp points for every one Force xp point.
Which translates to a 6 to 8 month xp grind to padawan at wich time you will get your training saber and a robe. Then you get the immense joy of using that LS to kill a zillion mobs on your way to jedi knight.
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I dont play anymore because it is not the game they promised it would be and it most certainly isnt
Star wars.
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"we're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs....drink up me hearties yo ho"
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
I can't be full of it. I never said I was FS. Matter of fact if you look you'll see where I've said I'm not and probably never will be but:
Look jodokai I was just playing this game last night. I am already "glowing" with the force. So i do know exactly what im talking about.
That quote is from another thread written by you, and yet here you say you don't play anymore hmmm
what are you? an investigative reporter?
I dont play anymore.
Hardly any of us "veteran" players play anymore. Even the ones who already have jedi.
That doesnt mean we dont log in our characters from time to time and chat with our friends or give the game another go just so we can remember why we dont play anymore.
Look if you like this game thats great. Good for you. The fact is everything I have said about this game is true. If you dont want to accept it thats your deal.
My subscription is up at the end of this month and I will not be renewing it. I have watched this game go from terrible to excellent to terrible again and I just cant take any more. I gave it my best since the day it released and I speak from experience that is hard won.
Dont try to paint a rosy picture of this game in a forum full of veteran gamers who, like me, have played our share and know exactly where Im coming from.
out
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"we're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs....drink up me hearties yo ho"
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
oh my
lol
you two may wanna PM each other lol
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I strongly recommend you stop being scared, stop wadding ankle deep in the water, ..... and get the bravado to go chest deep, then go swimming! Stop being terrified of checking out the TONS of other MMORPGs that are out! Many still have free trials!
- Anarchy Online: Still the best all around MMORPG. Has modern graphics too! Has many, many, many, many, many, revolutionary game features, game mechanics, that all other major MMORPGs are now copying (including EQ, SWG, EQ2, and possibly WoW). It is the only MMORPG that has PvP..... 100% done right. And it STILL HAS A FREEEEEE TRIAL for new players. Free to download, free to play.
http://anarchyonline.com/
- EvE Online : Recommended for Sci-Fi fans first. Though Sword and Sorcery fans might like it too. Has intresting PvP features, and other features. This is a thinking person's game. It is also space only. But there is still lots to do. I also recommend joining a player corporation as soon as possible. Post in the EvE forums a new thread "New player looking for a good corporation to join." Aaaand... it STILL HAS A FREEEE trial for new players. Free to download, free to play.
http://eve-online.com/
- Ultima Online : Graphics are outdated. But 200,000 players still play it after 6+ years. Proof of how nice the game play is. Since you say you are an RPG veteran, you should be able to look past the outdated graphics and appreciate the nice game play.
- Asheron's Call: Graphics are more modern than UO, but still outdated vs games like SWG, and AC2. Has an insane amount of content. Intresting combat system. ZONELESS gameworld. Tight-knit player community, and much, much, more.
- EverQuest: Still a classic. New players are better off starting out on the newer servers. (Post in the EQ forums asking for a list of the newest servers.) Is a very Level Based game.
- Star Wars Galaxies: Whoops! I almost forgot, you decided you dislike SWG. I will tell you this much, AFTER you get your feet wet, after you go for a swim, after you really check out the other MMORPGs and experience them, then come back and play the current SWG and THEN you will have something to compare SWG to!
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You make some valid points...i particulary like the references to the Star Wars films and the game. SWG has a world within the Stars Wars universe but is still a game, and cannot recreate and fulfill peoples dreams about living in a Star Wars world.
Take my beloved Daoc....rich with Arthurian Lore....and then they add Atlantean fables??
SWG is a game and should be looked on as that. My account will expire today and i have no interest in JTL or Jedi. The only thing i hold against SOE is for making a game which soloing becomes the norm and the grouping experience is virtually none. I became so tired of being in "solo" groups and empty guild channels.
I wish SWG well
Pan
Pan
the thing is, when has a game ever been representative of a movie experience? they're two different mediums. i don't see how you can expect an interactive game to have anything but a superficial relationship to a narrative-driven medium like a movie or a book -- unless the game removes all independent control, in which case it's not much of a game. is the swg universe really anything more like the star wars movie universe than if you took everquest and substituted in some relevant graphics and text? i guess i'm saying these things should be evaluated differently.
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He does this all the time lol...like the DEVs over their killed his family and he has this uncontrollable hatred lol
Hell, I canceled my account too but I sure as hell aren't trying mad hell as admriker is to say about how bad the game is lol.....reminds me of a little girl in first grade that would follow behind a boy and in intermitted timed intervals would jump out from behind a tree and scream:
YOU SUCK AND YOU SMELL LIKE PISS!
and then jumps back behind the tree and disappears. She then follows the confused boy around the schoolyard once more for a few minutes and then does the same exact thing. No one knows why she's doing it and all the boys and girls are very curious to her behavior.
Then we when all become adults we realize why she did what she did:
Because deep down, she really loved the boy but she didn't know how to process her feelings and inform that boy of her affections towards him.
what is truly horrid is that he doesn't need too. There has been HUNDREDS of positive, honest decent posts on how to improve the game.
They were ignored or had less than stellar responces * in other words LOCKED*
The devs has no choice when Mr. Blackman is head of this project and he presumingly has a HUGE Insurance thing going if it fails cause he is acting like he is TRYING very hard to shut the game down with all the BS he is causing.
I became a fan of WoW AFTER I been disappointed by that game for OVER a year.
I totallt agree with the original poster.... When you buy a game you are supposed to be provided with content not make up your own. In Star Wars while Vader existed, Imperials are in control... NOT rebels and NOT Jedi.
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Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
I registered just to say I 100% agree with you and I'm in the same boat as you admriker. I've been a huge star wars fan for a long time, and the SW Movies and the STORY of it all are very dear to me. I played SWG since it came out and I ofcourse went for a Jedi and got it back in December '03, and I played it through all the crap hoping that the story/GCW/PvP would be true to Star Wars. I quit once back in Feburary, and came back 2 months later because I really wanted to live out the starwars tale in an MMO, and I recently quit again about 2 months ago and haven't turned back since.
It's sad that SWG is the only half-decent Star Wars "Looking" game out.. and I mean that when I say "looking", because it certainly doesn't live up to the story. I just got sick of an absolutely dead GCW/PvP system and people are quitting the game consistently. There ratio of 6+ month veterans to 2 month or less players has to be 1 to 20. Players just get fed up with this game.
It was great before the holocron madness... The GCW and PvP weren't bad.. people WERE DIFFERENT PROFESSIONS BESIDES TKM/FENCERS.. But after the holo/jedi stuff it just went downhill and the devs have never had their priorities straight.
I pray for another SWG MMORPG, I'd pay $30 a month if there was one that was true to the story and had a solid GCW/PvP/Story/Jedi System. But, I don't think that's going to happen.
I miss SWG, but reading other VETERANS of the game posting negative reviews/posts that are filled with the truth just keeps me at bay from installing that game again. Because I know that when I get on it, it's just going to be a star-wars-skinned version of some other story that isn't star wars.
George Lucas should sue the SWG devs for using the SW name without the SW Story!Formerly Atlantis (Jedi Knight) and Baseline on SWG: Eclipse Galaxy.
The uber buffs/food/armor came along with hologrinding. Both ruined the game. Remember before the uber food/buffs/armor how PvP was?
It was a lot better. People could actually play any class and have fun in PvP if they played it well! PEOPLE ACTUALLY USED FACTION ARMOR/PETS!
Now you can't even touch SWG unless you have 2 extra accounts to doc buff and music/dance buff yourself because the only people that are taking part in the GCW are well stacked out with millions of credits (stupid joke for an economy in that game) and they are buffed to hell.
Yeah... Back in the day... GCW was a lot of fun
George Lucas should sue the SWG devs for using the SW name without the SW Story!Formerly Atlantis (Jedi Knight) and Baseline on SWG: Eclipse Galaxy.
Heh, SWG sucks donkey b@11s. I thought the self-proclaimed Star Wars fanboi, riker was gonna be pathetic. Then I got to watch lameassity of SWG fanbois spring into life and gather momentum as they bashed riker.
Funny how they b1tched at him to make some suggestions, then when some suggestions were made, that person was immediately cut-down and ridiculed.
I agree with riker in part, although he does need to find something more to fill his life than Star Wars: dog, cat, kids, something. As for the righteously proud defenders of SWG, your game is in its death throes, time for you to move on as well.
Damn, I rock.
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I'm looking for some friends that I lost contact with over the years...
EQ: Horlain (Firiona Vie)
DAOC: Kaizur (Guinevere)
Yeah I've been looking around at the current MMO's and I'm not seeing much of anything. I'd really like to get in on a beta test for an upcoming game so I'm not joining something that's already well soiled. But I'm not seeing much on the up and coming. WoW looks a little cartoony.
George Lucas should sue the SWG devs for using the SW name without the SW Story!Formerly Atlantis (Jedi Knight) and Baseline on SWG: Eclipse Galaxy.