How about a simple shovel that does no damage at all but allows you to be underground for 10 seconds to perhaps lay a trap or ambush (20 seconds) or get out of harms way temporarily (5 seconds)? why does it necessarily mean "best" items? how about a whip that has a chance to be used as a tether line? .. "get over here" mortal kombat style (range summoner). You with your... keep ur pve thinking outa warhammer cuz nobody messes wit da hamma... need more innovative thinking.
There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
How about a simple shovel that does no damage at all but allows you to be underground for 10 seconds to perhaps lay a trap or ambush (20 seconds) or get out of harms way temporarily (5 seconds)? why does it necessarily mean "best" items? how about a whip that has a chance to be used as a tether line? .. "get over here" mortal kombat style (range summoner). You with your... keep ur pve thinking outa warhammer cuz nobody messes wit da hamma... need more innovative thinking.
There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
Ehh, the marauder has tentacles that grow from his back and brings the enemy to them, the white lion can send his war lion to throw the enemy back to him, do those count?
Pretty much all the WAR naysayers ARE NOT PVP'ers, but rather everquest fairy boys who can't wait for their NEW HAIRSTYLES and DANCES, that they can show off to the opposing faction as they hold hands and sing cumbayah in Dalaran inbetween killing boars and 30 of everything for Nessingwary for the THIRD straight time.
How about a simple shovel that does no damage at all but allows you to be underground for 10 seconds to perhaps lay a trap or ambush (20 seconds) or get out of harms way temporarily (5 seconds)? why does it necessarily mean "best" items? how about a whip that has a chance to be used as a tether line? .. "get over here" mortal kombat style (range summoner). You with your... keep ur pve thinking outa warhammer cuz nobody messes wit da hamma... need more innovative thinking.
There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
Ehh, the marauder has tentacles that grow from his back and brings the enemy to them, the white lion can send his war lion to throw the enemy back to him, do those count?
Yup thoes would count as his "whip" idea. I dont plan on playing either of thoes classes so havent payed a whole lot of attention to them. Oh and I thought I would bring up (since WoW is most identifiable) The pally bubble. No diffrent than useing a shovel to bury yourself for immunity. As to the set a trap thing seems kinda pointless when there are already other mechanics proven to work.
How about a simple shovel that does no damage at all but allows you to be underground for 10 seconds to perhaps lay a trap or ambush (20 seconds) or get out of harms way temporarily (5 seconds)? why does it necessarily mean "best" items? how about a whip that has a chance to be used as a tether line? .. "get over here" mortal kombat style (range summoner). You with your... keep ur pve thinking outa warhammer cuz nobody messes wit da hamma... need more innovative thinking.
There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
Ehh, the marauder has tentacles that grow from his back and brings the enemy to them, the white lion can send his war lion to throw the enemy back to him, do those count?
Yup thoes would count as his "whip" idea. I dont plan on playing either of thoes classes so havent payed a whole lot of attention to them. Oh and I thought I would bring up (since WoW is most identifiable) The pally bubble. No diffrent than useing a shovel to bury yourself for immunity. As to the set a trap thing seems kinda pointless when there are already other mechanics proven to work.
Hell I'm glad they don't have anything to give immunity, that idea is completey stupid in my opinion anyways. =/
Pretty much all the WAR naysayers ARE NOT PVP'ers, but rather everquest fairy boys who can't wait for their NEW HAIRSTYLES and DANCES, that they can show off to the opposing faction as they hold hands and sing cumbayah in Dalaran inbetween killing boars and 30 of everything for Nessingwary for the THIRD straight time.
so the endgame is pvp... and five years from now the endgame for uberfest 3000 is ... pvp, how original.
what?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
pve for the best items? who said anything about a game needs the best items? as the game progresses it expands with innovation not the best items doh. Look here, innovation does not equate to pve and having the best items, ok? calm down and drink less coffee.
um... what does this have to do with pvp now and pvp later?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
It's generally considered that Vanguard is now much better than AOC (after a lot of post-release development).
Many ex-Vanguard's have canceled their AOC accounts are returned to Vanguard.
AOC has the poorest end-game content I have seen. Many of the raid quests are broken and are frankly extremely grindy boring, the siege PVP is laggy, buggy and offers no rewards.
WAR endgame IS the game! A ongoing faction war where your individual fights influence a battlefield which in turn advance/retreat your faction towards dominating the opposition.
Other MMO's have made you believe endgame is about PVE raids but in WAR the endgame is much more exciting than that!
pve for the best items? who said anything about a game needs the best items? as the game progresses it expands with innovation not the best items doh. Look here, innovation does not equate to pve and having the best items, ok? calm down and drink less coffee.
No one would do PvE if you didn't get items or rewards. Who do you think you're kidding? A shovel, or item as they are known as in MMORPGs, that put you out of harm's way for 5 or 10 seconds would be one of the best items in the game. I guarantee that! Your other idea about a summoning whip would also be another item that would be on the top of everyone's to have list. Hopefully, there are a few items people strive for. I'm sure there will be, its a MMORPG, after all. Just don't expect to have "God Mode", because you and 40 other kids killed a mob.
As everyone has been telling you there is PvE endgame if you don't want to RvR. Its just not the main focus of this game. Its really a simple concept. WAR is not catering to the raiding PvE crowd. Let that soak in.
A lot of people want awesome items gained from PvE that will make you overpowered in RvR/PvE. Hopefully Mythic has learned their lesson about that (aka Trials of Atlantis), and that will not appear here. That's what I call innovation, because there is only one other game that doesn't give "God Mode" to raiders. Its DAoC.
Whoever said, "there needs to be end game content" I got some for ya. End game massive city RvR, Guild system, the usual crafting, raids, and dungeons.
In my opinion, AOC learned nothing from Vanguard. They are in exactly the same place (in a hole). However, WAR could be said to have learned something from AOC I suppose, but I don't think it was AOC that made them cut the unfinished/less good stuff.
The devs have always been about quality, and they often talk about pushing the game back if it isn't ready (which they did a couple of times) This time around they decided no further delay, so the only way to keep to their core principles of making a good quality game was to remove the unfinished parts. They "learned" from AOC, if you want to call it that, that releasing an unfinished game will no longer be tolerated by today's savvy MMO players.
In my opinion, AOC learned nothing from Vanguard. They are in exactly the same place (in a hole). However, WAR could be said to have learned something from AOC I suppose, but I don't think it was AOC that made them cut the unfinished/less good stuff. The devs have always been about quality, and they often talk about pushing the game back if it isn't ready (which they did a couple of times) This time around they decided no further delay, so the only way to keep to their core principles of making a good quality game was to remove the unfinished parts. They "learned" from AOC, if you want to call it that, that releasing an unfinished game will no longer be tolerated by today's savvy MMO players.
Except it will be tolerated, this is the only market where releasing unfinished product is defended and/or allowed. You CANNOT get away with this in any other area where a product is sold to a consumer. The majority of gamers are indeed younger and don't understand rights or value the worth of their money enough to know any better.
AoC made 50 million dollars, what can companies learn from AoC? You can make a profit by just hyping a game and not spending too much money to finish it. I except a re-release of Pong to be coming out, except you have gaps in your bar, and the ball will be added in an expansion pack. Its expected to have great PR and sell for $70 a box with a $400 Collector's edition.
WAR endgame IS the game! A ongoing faction war where your individual fights influence a battlefield which in turn advance/retreat your faction towards dominating the opposition.
Did you try War's endgame content? If not why are you contributing to the unclear hype? Didn't you learn anything from other MMOs yet?
First, SEE then BELIEVE. Not the reverse.
I will not believe in anything till I see it with my own eyes. Look at the other MMOs, so much hype. Then tisssss, tons of bugs, tons of lacking content, no end game content.
Try using you brain, you would need it once in a while.
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
WAR endgame IS the game! A ongoing faction war where your individual fights influence a battlefield which in turn advance/retreat your faction towards dominating the opposition.
Did you try War's endgame content? If not why are you contributing to the unclear hype? Didn't you learn anything from other MMOs yet?
First, SEE then BELIEVE. Not the reverse.
I will not believe in anything till I see it with my own eyes. Look at the other MMOs, so much hype. Then tisssss, tons of bugs, tons of lacking content, no end game content.
Try using you brain, you would need it once in a while.
my brain learned to adapt and look in other places that most wont.
While it has not taken in the actual playing it prob has taken more in then the general "this is what i know about the game" crowd.
Also to the top of this page poster, their is a reason why it is tolerated here, it is because it is the only genera that is constantly growing and fixing itself and adding more, also unlike other generas, these are THE BIGGEST GAMES! , anyone who knows anything is that the complex it gets the more issues that can arrise, especialy with code, the farther you get some basic, and use more up to date languages the more room for error and issues pop up.
Just compare a MMO to another game, and you will see the complexity difference.
WAR endgame IS the game! A ongoing faction war where your individual fights influence a battlefield which in turn advance/retreat your faction towards dominating the opposition.
Did you try War's endgame content? If not why are you contributing to the unclear hype? Didn't you learn anything from other MMOs yet?
First, SEE then BELIEVE. Not the reverse.
I will not believe in anything till I see it with my own eyes. Look at the other MMOs, so much hype. Then tisssss, tons of bugs, tons of lacking content, no end game content.
Try using you brain, you would need it once in a while.
I think I'll just have a little FAITH.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Vanguard most likely will be better then War, and Vanguard is better then AoC. Vanguard is an awsome game atm...
To bad all of Vanguard's character models look like they are homosexual. Ever take a look at the human models? I've seen those same characters on Queer eye for the straight guy. Maybe vanguard will turn it around on GU6. but since there is no marketing campaign for the game no one will know about it except for you, and the rest of the diehard vanguard players.
Vanguard most likely will be better then War, and Vanguard is better then AoC. Vanguard is an awsome game atm...
To bad all of Vanguard's character models look like they are homosexual. Ever take a look at the human models? I've seen those same characters on Queer eye for the straight guy. Maybe vanguard will turn it around on GU6. but since there is no marketing campaign for the game no one will know about it except for you, and the rest of the diehard vanguard players.
Considering you're looking forward to WAR you really don't have a place to talk about graphics. (not saying they're horrible, but VG's graphics are better IMHO).
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Vanguard most likely will be better then War, and Vanguard is better then AoC. Vanguard is an awsome game atm...
To bad all of Vanguard's character models look like they are homosexual. Ever take a look at the human models? I've seen those same characters on Queer eye for the straight guy. Maybe vanguard will turn it around on GU6. but since there is no marketing campaign for the game no one will know about it except for you, and the rest of the diehard vanguard players.
Considering you're looking forward to WAR you really don't have a place to talk about graphics. (not saying they're horrible, but VG's graphics are better IMHO).
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There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
Ehh, the marauder has tentacles that grow from his back and brings the enemy to them, the white lion can send his war lion to throw the enemy back to him, do those count?
Pretty much all the WAR naysayers ARE NOT PVP'ers, but rather everquest fairy boys who can't wait for their NEW HAIRSTYLES and DANCES, that they can show off to the opposing faction as they hold hands and sing cumbayah in Dalaran inbetween killing boars and 30 of everything for Nessingwary for the THIRD straight time.
AoC didn't learn from Vanguard. If anything, AoC took Vanguard as a challenge to do worse.
There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
Ehh, the marauder has tentacles that grow from his back and brings the enemy to them, the white lion can send his war lion to throw the enemy back to him, do those count?
Yup thoes would count as his "whip" idea. I dont plan on playing either of thoes classes so havent payed a whole lot of attention to them. Oh and I thought I would bring up (since WoW is most identifiable) The pally bubble. No diffrent than useing a shovel to bury yourself for immunity. As to the set a trap thing seems kinda pointless when there are already other mechanics proven to work.
There are games out there with similar mechanics for diffrent classes. Sorry Lupisenparis but thats not innovation. Its been done/is being done just not in the exact way your saying. I forget the class name in PvMP in LOTRO but the spider can bury itself underground. WOTLK with the Deathknight has a skill to "grab" someone and bring them to the DK. There might be other similar mechanics in other games thoes just come to mind first.
Ehh, the marauder has tentacles that grow from his back and brings the enemy to them, the white lion can send his war lion to throw the enemy back to him, do those count?
Yup thoes would count as his "whip" idea. I dont plan on playing either of thoes classes so havent payed a whole lot of attention to them. Oh and I thought I would bring up (since WoW is most identifiable) The pally bubble. No diffrent than useing a shovel to bury yourself for immunity. As to the set a trap thing seems kinda pointless when there are already other mechanics proven to work.
Hell I'm glad they don't have anything to give immunity, that idea is completey stupid in my opinion anyways. =/
Pretty much all the WAR naysayers ARE NOT PVP'ers, but rather everquest fairy boys who can't wait for their NEW HAIRSTYLES and DANCES, that they can show off to the opposing faction as they hold hands and sing cumbayah in Dalaran inbetween killing boars and 30 of everything for Nessingwary for the THIRD straight time.
Endgame content? AoC needed mid-game content too. :>
what?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
um... what does this have to do with pvp now and pvp later?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Well unless they lied and the beta leaks have lied and the people at conventions have lied...we are going to have our endgame content.
I could see this exact same comment being made on the AoC forums 3 months ago
oh how I was blind...
It's generally considered that Vanguard is now much better than AOC (after a lot of post-release development).
Many ex-Vanguard's have canceled their AOC accounts are returned to Vanguard.
AOC has the poorest end-game content I have seen. Many of the raid quests are broken and are frankly extremely grindy boring, the siege PVP is laggy, buggy and offers no rewards.
WAR endgame IS the game! A ongoing faction war where your individual fights influence a battlefield which in turn advance/retreat your faction towards dominating the opposition.
Other MMO's have made you believe endgame is about PVE raids but in WAR the endgame is much more exciting than that!
No one would do PvE if you didn't get items or rewards. Who do you think you're kidding? A shovel, or item as they are known as in MMORPGs, that put you out of harm's way for 5 or 10 seconds would be one of the best items in the game. I guarantee that! Your other idea about a summoning whip would also be another item that would be on the top of everyone's to have list. Hopefully, there are a few items people strive for. I'm sure there will be, its a MMORPG, after all. Just don't expect to have "God Mode", because you and 40 other kids killed a mob.
As everyone has been telling you there is PvE endgame if you don't want to RvR. Its just not the main focus of this game. Its really a simple concept. WAR is not catering to the raiding PvE crowd. Let that soak in.
A lot of people want awesome items gained from PvE that will make you overpowered in RvR/PvE. Hopefully Mythic has learned their lesson about that (aka Trials of Atlantis), and that will not appear here. That's what I call innovation, because there is only one other game that doesn't give "God Mode" to raiders. Its DAoC.
He who controls the spice, controls the universe!
Whoever said, "there needs to be end game content" I got some for ya. End game massive city RvR, Guild system, the usual crafting, raids, and dungeons.
- RvR is the main end game
In my opinion, AOC learned nothing from Vanguard. They are in exactly the same place (in a hole). However, WAR could be said to have learned something from AOC I suppose, but I don't think it was AOC that made them cut the unfinished/less good stuff.
The devs have always been about quality, and they often talk about pushing the game back if it isn't ready (which they did a couple of times) This time around they decided no further delay, so the only way to keep to their core principles of making a good quality game was to remove the unfinished parts. They "learned" from AOC, if you want to call it that, that releasing an unfinished game will no longer be tolerated by today's savvy MMO players.
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Except it will be tolerated, this is the only market where releasing unfinished product is defended and/or allowed. You CANNOT get away with this in any other area where a product is sold to a consumer. The majority of gamers are indeed younger and don't understand rights or value the worth of their money enough to know any better.
AoC made 50 million dollars, what can companies learn from AoC? You can make a profit by just hyping a game and not spending too much money to finish it. I except a re-release of Pong to be coming out, except you have gaps in your bar, and the ball will be added in an expansion pack. Its expected to have great PR and sell for $70 a box with a $400 Collector's edition.
Nope... end-game content means there is an end.. which is bad...
(might sound crazy but think about it 2 sec)
Did you try War's endgame content? If not why are you contributing to the unclear hype? Didn't you learn anything from other MMOs yet?
First, SEE then BELIEVE. Not the reverse.
I will not believe in anything till I see it with my own eyes. Look at the other MMOs, so much hype. Then tisssss, tons of bugs, tons of lacking content, no end game content.
Try using you brain, you would need it once in a while.
-----------------------------
Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Did you try War's endgame content? If not why are you contributing to the unclear hype? Didn't you learn anything from other MMOs yet?
First, SEE then BELIEVE. Not the reverse.
I will not believe in anything till I see it with my own eyes. Look at the other MMOs, so much hype. Then tisssss, tons of bugs, tons of lacking content, no end game content.
Try using you brain, you would need it once in a while.
my brain learned to adapt and look in other places that most wont.
While it has not taken in the actual playing it prob has taken more in then the general "this is what i know about the game" crowd.
Also to the top of this page poster, their is a reason why it is tolerated here, it is because it is the only genera that is constantly growing and fixing itself and adding more, also unlike other generas, these are THE BIGGEST GAMES! , anyone who knows anything is that the complex it gets the more issues that can arrise, especialy with code, the farther you get some basic, and use more up to date languages the more room for error and issues pop up.
Just compare a MMO to another game, and you will see the complexity difference.
Did you try War's endgame content? If not why are you contributing to the unclear hype? Didn't you learn anything from other MMOs yet?
First, SEE then BELIEVE. Not the reverse.
I will not believe in anything till I see it with my own eyes. Look at the other MMOs, so much hype. Then tisssss, tons of bugs, tons of lacking content, no end game content.
Try using you brain, you would need it once in a while.
I think I'll just have a little FAITH.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Vanguard most likely will be better then War, and Vanguard is better then AoC. Vanguard is an awsome game atm...
Right... LOL...
This all depends where your peer pressure is coming from...
To bad all of Vanguard's character models look like they are homosexual. Ever take a look at the human models? I've seen those same characters on Queer eye for the straight guy. Maybe vanguard will turn it around on GU6. but since there is no marketing campaign for the game no one will know about it except for you, and the rest of the diehard vanguard players.
To bad all of Vanguard's character models look like they are homosexual. Ever take a look at the human models? I've seen those same characters on Queer eye for the straight guy. Maybe vanguard will turn it around on GU6. but since there is no marketing campaign for the game no one will know about it except for you, and the rest of the diehard vanguard players.
Considering you're looking forward to WAR you really don't have a place to talk about graphics. (not saying they're horrible, but VG's graphics are better IMHO).
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
I'm sorry but the game is built around pvp, if anything sucks its going to be getting to 40 not the endgame.
This isnt WoW and shouldnt even be treated like leveling in WoW since WAR is NOT a grind based game.
To bad all of Vanguard's character models look like they are homosexual. Ever take a look at the human models? I've seen those same characters on Queer eye for the straight guy. Maybe vanguard will turn it around on GU6. but since there is no marketing campaign for the game no one will know about it except for you, and the rest of the diehard vanguard players.
Considering you're looking forward to WAR you really don't have a place to talk about graphics. (not saying they're horrible, but VG's graphics are better IMHO).
Thats great !
