Unfortunately this is one of the major features that caught me, along with crafting and in depth character creation. 2 of 3 ain't bad but it also means I'm keeping at least one sub to another game with housing.. ; ;
And to anyone who wonder why housing is such a big deal when it does nothing, I like that my virtual worlds actually seem like worlds and not just a theme park where you are a virtual visitor and not a resident. I loved going back to my Mog house in FFXI, I spent hours decorating my apartment in Eq2 and one day I might build a house in Vanguard. It's something that says, this is mine and is where I can put my trophies on display (maybe), it could be a place of gathering for events and socializing but most often it would just be where you both store your stuff and put your avatar to bed. It's part of the RPG part of the MMO.
Im very very happy AION is one more game P2P without game shops, etc. A game where everyone pays the same per mounth and everyone have access to same features,itens, quest, world zones, whatever in game.
Something like: i cant have a sword like u because im not rich in real life, its something i dont want to see in any game i play. Real life is enouph for that kind of things..
Originally posted by Cynthe Thanks for the reply Ayase. Unfortunately this is one of the major features that caught me, along with crafting and in depth character creation. 2 of 3 ain't bad but it also means I'm keeping at least one sub to another game with housing.. ; ; And to anyone who wonder why housing is such a big deal when it does nothing, I like that my virtual worlds actually seem like worlds and not just a theme park where you are a virtual visitor and not a resident. I loved going back to my Mog house in FFXI, I spent hours decorating my apartment in Eq2 and one day I might build a house in Vanguard. It's something that says, this is mine and is where I can put my trophies on display (maybe), it could be a place of gathering for events and socializing but most often it would just be where you both store your stuff and put your avatar to bed. It's part of the RPG part of the MMO. Okay I'm done. ^_^
Does bring memories of my terrible house in EQ2. It was one of those slum houses you got for cheap in one of the crappy towns. Either way housing is always pretty welcome, even though I do like that they are going for mechanics first and other things like housing later
Most of us that are going to play Aion expect Quality and Support. Things you only get in a Pay-2-Play game.
The biggest fraction of the MMORPG community nowdays, wants Quality games. The MMORPG universe is full of crappy F2P games, why? because they are F2P.
See? we dont care about the payement, we just want a superb game, that will make us play it with a smile on the face. And, as weird it might seems, if it was free, you wouldn't have so many peeps interested in Aion.
sorry to say SHAIYA online had won best graphics award in MMORPG game last year,still it is free to play =D
Most of us that are going to play Aion expect Quality and Support. Things you only get in a Pay-2-Play game.
The biggest fraction of the MMORPG community nowdays, wants Quality games. The MMORPG universe is full of crappy F2P games, why? because they are F2P.
See? we dont care about the payement, we just want a superb game, that will make us play it with a smile on the face. And, as weird it might seems, if it was free, you wouldn't have so many peeps interested in Aion.
sorry to say SHAIYA online had won best graphics award in MMORPG game last year,still it is free to play =D
I think dissing F2P games, if it's because P2P games are thought of as better in some magical way, is misguided at best. Ignorant or troll like at worst.
F2P can be implemented just as expertly as P2P. The only problem is that most F2P games have defaulted to pushing players to a cash-shop. Which, really, is what P2P games do too, every month. Eventually F2P games will find better ways of providing premium services - without degrading the game experience for free players, like hopefully the upcoming DDO Unlimited.
F2P has a huge advantage over P2P - You can play as much or as little as you like, without feeling obligated or guilted into doing so. Some people don't mind wasting money on nothing, even if they don't play. Good for them! Most regular people don't like to waste money needlessly.
With F2P I can play a few days a month, if that's what I like, and leave it at that.
Some argue that F2P is full of trolls and immature brats. To that I can only laugh, because anyone who has visited World of Warcraft knows just how many people like that hang out there.
The fact is that there are good and bad people in all the games.
As mentioned earlier with DDO Unlimited. Once it goes F2P, apparently it will still be possible for non paying players to get everything paying players do, except it'll take more effort and dedication.
It remains to be seen how all that pans out, of course and whether that "effort" amounts to mindless grind or actual fun time spent playing the game. But it's an interesting concept they're looking at, especially if they don't end up forcing players to rely on the CS for crafting or healing. Instead, hopefully, it will be about creating shortcuts for those who wish to use them
Any P2P game I know of so far could be made into a F2P game, successfully. As long as you keep in mind that F2P doesn't have to equal CS dependent, or limited access. Instead paying players could get experience boosts, percentage increases to loot drops and so on.
Most of us that are going to play Aion expect Quality and Support. Things you only get in a Pay-2-Play game.
The biggest fraction of the MMORPG community nowdays, wants Quality games. The MMORPG universe is full of crappy F2P games, why? because they are F2P.
See? we dont care about the payement, we just want a superb game, that will make us play it with a smile on the face. And, as weird it might seems, if it was free, you wouldn't have so many peeps interested in Aion.
sorry to say SHAIYA online had won best graphics award in MMORPG game last year,still it is free to play =D
Shaiya does have Awesome graphics... But Aeria's AP system has completely unbalanced the gameplay in PVP. Not to mention in order to play the Ultimate Mode Characters (end-game mode) You have to buy Resurrection Runes to keep your character alive. When UM dies they get deleted if you are not wearing a Res Rune. And those puppies are NOT cheap.
So as far as I'm concerned, if you're interested in end-game playtime, Shaiya is definately not a free game.
I think dissing F2P games, if it's because P2P games are thought of as better in some magical way, is misguided at best. Ignorant or troll like at worst. F2P can be implemented just as expertly as P2P. The only problem is that most F2P games have defaulted to pushing players to a cash-shop. Which, really, is what P2P games do too, every month. Eventually F2P games will find better ways of providing premium services - without degrading the game experience for free players, like hopefully the upcoming DDO Unlimited. F2P has a huge advantage over P2P - You can play as much or as little as you like, without feeling obligated or guilted into doing so. Some people don't mind wasting money on nothing, even if they don't play. Good for them! Most regular people don't like to waste money needlessly.
With F2P I can play a few days a month, if that's what I like, and leave it at that. Some argue that F2P is full of trolls and immature brats. To that I can only laugh, because anyone who has visited World of Warcraft knows just how many people like that hang out there. The fact is that there are good and bad people in all the games. As mentioned earlier with DDO Unlimited. Once it goes F2P, apparently it will still be possible for non paying players to get everything paying players do, except it'll take more effort and dedication.
It remains to be seen how all that pans out, of course and whether that "effort" amounts to mindless grind or actual fun time spent playing the game. But it's an interesting concept they're looking at, especially if they don't end up forcing players to rely on the CS for crafting or healing. Instead, hopefully, it will be about creating shortcuts for those who wish to use them Any P2P game I know of so far could be made into a F2P game, successfully. As long as you keep in mind that F2P doesn't have to equal CS dependent, or limited access. Instead paying players could get experience boosts, percentage increases to loot drops and so on.
I think you could've just used a default argument.... comeon think..... THINK.... guild wars.... ./facepalm
The fact is that F2P games can succed. W/O ANY PAYMENT. But you have to make a lot of expansions and game add-ons to pay your devs. I personally believe that F2P is standardly not thought of well. They're also very rarely being updated as much as they should. And there are incresing amounts of botters and hackers that aren't banned. Not saying games like WoW has botters or hackers within. Just soo much less. You pay for what you get in a game. There are some exception of course. Guild Wars being probably the biggest one. The first Mainstream big F2P game with a great amount of accounts. PS3 being a bigger exception. There are millions of online games on the ps3 you pay nothing for. And the devs for those games are creating more maps. Sooner or later they'll be adding add-ons etc. I hope I've made somewhat of a point. F2P games are defaulted at crap. P2P games tend to be somewhat decent throughout its lifespan, not meaning that all are.
Playing: Guild Wars and Exteel Loved: WoW, Guild Wars, FFXI, and Lineage 2 Liked: Exteel, WAR, and Lineage 1 Hated:City of Heroes, City of Villians, Matrix Online, Runescape, and D&D Online. Waiting For: Aion, Guild Wars 2, FFXIV, and SW:TOR
I think dissing F2P games, if it's because P2P games are thought of as better in some magical way, is misguided at best. Ignorant or troll like at worst. F2P can be implemented just as expertly as P2P. The only problem is that most F2P games have defaulted to pushing players to a cash-shop. Which, really, is what P2P games do too, every month. Eventually F2P games will find better ways of providing premium services - without degrading the game experience for free players, like hopefully the upcoming DDO Unlimited. F2P has a huge advantage over P2P - You can play as much or as little as you like, without feeling obligated or guilted into doing so. Some people don't mind wasting money on nothing, even if they don't play. Good for them! Most regular people don't like to waste money needlessly.
With F2P I can play a few days a month, if that's what I like, and leave it at that. Some argue that F2P is full of trolls and immature brats. To that I can only laugh, because anyone who has visited World of Warcraft knows just how many people like that hang out there. The fact is that there are good and bad people in all the games. As mentioned earlier with DDO Unlimited. Once it goes F2P, apparently it will still be possible for non paying players to get everything paying players do, except it'll take more effort and dedication.
It remains to be seen how all that pans out, of course and whether that "effort" amounts to mindless grind or actual fun time spent playing the game. But it's an interesting concept they're looking at, especially if they don't end up forcing players to rely on the CS for crafting or healing. Instead, hopefully, it will be about creating shortcuts for those who wish to use them Any P2P game I know of so far could be made into a F2P game, successfully. As long as you keep in mind that F2P doesn't have to equal CS dependent, or limited access. Instead paying players could get experience boosts, percentage increases to loot drops and so on.
With that, though, you also cannot say that F2P is better than P2P. It all depends on the player's schedule and interests. I myself prefer P2P simply because I am a hardcore gamer and rarely waste any of my $15. Also I hate itemmalls! While i can get over exp stones, loot drops, gold drops, etc... I don't like that weap/armor enhancements, virtual steroids, and other items of that nature are allowed only to paying members (such with Shaiya:online). But i do have friends with long hour jobs or classes who cant game as much and for them it is easier to play F2P games.
As for maturity levels I have to agree that F2P games tend to attract a younger audience. Simply because it's easier to Con mommy and daddy into 10-15bucks here and there for itempoints than it is to con them outta 15bucks every month for subscription. Also... the kids whose parents don't approve of online gaming can register themselves without their parents seeing anything on a creditcard bill.
Now I won't argue about WoW having a lot of kids. But I think that is due mostly to it's VERY cartoony graphics and humorous soundclips/effects. It seems that games like WoW/Warhammer:Online are indirectly targetting young players. Whereas with Aion the atmosphere/graphcs/sound seems more down-to-Earth and maturely designed.
Of course kids will get this game if their parents allow but I dont think as many will as with F2P games or the uber cartoony games.
But I think we've strayed from the original question.....
AION.... We've established its more than likely going to be P2P... But what will the payment methods be like?
I've heard first month free $15 a month after that.... I've heard mention of grouped subscriptions like with xboxlive where i can bycards from gamestop, bestbuy, etc with 3,6, and 12month subscriptions on them....
I know in asia they have the hourly rate cards but I dont think the US or EU support that so I doubt we'll see it.
But what is the actual payment method. I personally would like to know before i fork out the $50bucks to pre-order this game.
is it strictly $15 a month every month no questions asked?
Or will there be "subscription cards" for those of us who prefer to pay anually or semi-anually?
Personally, as far as the discussion with p2p vs. f2p, I don't mind paying a subscription for a game if I enjoy it enough to pay the fee. You see, the great thing about paying a subscription is that the companies feed off of their subscribers. If people continue to subscribe for a game, then the company is getting money that they can use to improve the game, update content, improve customer service, etc. Yes, pay a subscription. An MMO is not like a regular game, where it's released as a finished product, an MMO evolves and gets better over time, just as the players do in-game. Therefor, if I know that my money is going to the devs who are constantly improving my ingame experience, then I'm fine with that!
Now, as far as f2p being crappy I'll not say anything. I haven't found a f2p game that has caught my attention to actually play it, and I HATE item malls. You either buy an item that does nothing to improve your game experience, or you have items that put you at a huge advantage, which is unfair to those who are just playing the game because it's free. That's how those games reel in their income though, and whatever works they can go for it. I don't care.
Typically speaking, f2p without spending your entire paycheck in an item mall and starving your family, usually lack in game quality. You just go from point a to point b. There are a lot of games out there like this. Of course, some aren't, but yeah...It's just disappointing. Aion is an extraordinary game, in-depth character personalization, wonderful graphics, new combat mechanics, a fresh game world, intriguing lore, it's something I would subscribe to. NCSoft knows that, and that's why they made it subscription based, because they know it's good enough for people to actually want to subscribe. You can play one of the many anime-style graphics, unbalanced class, simpleton character games out there for free, but that's not my taste. I look for something more. I've played too many free to play games, and they really can't compete.
Exceptions for the no-subscription required: Guild Wars (you have to buy the game though), Perfect World (The graphics gave me a headache, and my computer runs it on "High Quality", full graphics. Other than that, I hear it's pretty fun.), and Diablo. Diablo is a good game, and you play it online with others over battle.net. There is no character creation as far as looks, but you do have a talent tree, and you can invest your skills as you wish, so in that sense it works. The gear system in Diablo is somewhat similar to WoW, but not exactly. Diablo 2 is a lot of fun to play, the clicking combat is addictive as I'll get out, and the game costs a whole of 20 bucks for the battle chest. Keep an eye out for Diablo III too! Other than those three, I've not found a fulfilling no subscription MMO. There are fun, I guess, games out there, but nothing I would play for over a month.
This message of course is based on opinion just as every other post on this topic, so you may not have the same opinion, and that's fine. Please express them, or you can even send me a PM to curse me out if you want, but that will hurt my feelings.
But I think we've strayed from the original question.....
AION.... We've established its more than likely going to be P2P... But what will the payment methods be like? I've heard first month free $15 a month after that.... I've heard mention of grouped subscriptions like with xboxlive where i can bycards from gamestop, bestbuy, etc with 3,6, and 12month subscriptions on them.... I know in asia they have the hourly rate cards but I dont think the US or EU support that so I doubt we'll see it.
But what is the actual payment method. I personally would like to know before i fork out the $50bucks to pre-order this game. is it strictly $15 a month every month no questions asked? Or will there be "subscription cards" for those of us who prefer to pay anually or semi-anually?
Well it is $15 but you can get a disscount for buying 3,6 months in advance. also any plaync time cards can be used to pay for this games sub.
Alright So I can actually go out and grab a 3 or 6 month subcription card with cash and just renew as needed... That was my big thing cause I have no credit cards. So awesome! I'll definately be pre-ordering On monday then. Thanks much
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Thanks for the reply Ayase.
Unfortunately this is one of the major features that caught me, along with crafting and in depth character creation. 2 of 3 ain't bad but it also means I'm keeping at least one sub to another game with housing.. ; ;
And to anyone who wonder why housing is such a big deal when it does nothing, I like that my virtual worlds actually seem like worlds and not just a theme park where you are a virtual visitor and not a resident. I loved going back to my Mog house in FFXI, I spent hours decorating my apartment in Eq2 and one day I might build a house in Vanguard. It's something that says, this is mine and is where I can put my trophies on display (maybe), it could be a place of gathering for events and socializing but most often it would just be where you both store your stuff and put your avatar to bed. It's part of the RPG part of the MMO.
Okay I'm done. ^_^
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P2P
Playing:WoW,Guild Wars
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Used to play: Vanguard, Anarchy Online (got to lvl 6 and quit
Waiting for: Warhammer, Aion
Im very very happy AION is one more game P2P without game shops, etc.
A game where everyone pays the same per mounth and everyone have access to same features,itens, quest, world zones, whatever in game.
Something like: i cant have a sword like u because im not rich in real life, its something i dont want to see in any game i play.
Real life is enouph for that kind of things..
QFT
Well, i dont cares me if i need to pay for this game or not, I`m inly looking forward to play this game.
And if it is boring i`ll stop immediëtly!
Believe me this Game isn't boring, not 1! Game has so much Endgame Content which always attract you.
most likely the game will be p2p around 14.95 per-month.
but free to play would be nice ( item shop)
Believe me this Game isn't boring, not 1! Game has so much Endgame Content which always attract you.
I`ll see haha, But i`m looking forward to play this game and Runes of Magic!
So if the keep it at $14.99 over time the monthly fee will decrease right?
Making games cost nothing so ofc its free, just like everything else.. and I hear the cryoengine they used is free also.
Does bring memories of my terrible house in EQ2. It was one of those slum houses you got for cheap in one of the crappy towns. Either way housing is always pretty welcome, even though I do like that they are going for mechanics first and other things like housing later
sorry to say SHAIYA online had won best graphics award in MMORPG game last year,still it is free to play =D
sorry to say SHAIYA online had won best graphics award in MMORPG game last year,still it is free to play =D
That means nothing.
Way to necro a thread there fella.
True, however the guy did have a question, and the general consensus is that we want people to search first right?
I think dissing F2P games, if it's because P2P games are thought of as better in some magical way, is misguided at best. Ignorant or troll like at worst.
F2P can be implemented just as expertly as P2P. The only problem is that most F2P games have defaulted to pushing players to a cash-shop. Which, really, is what P2P games do too, every month. Eventually F2P games will find better ways of providing premium services - without degrading the game experience for free players, like hopefully the upcoming DDO Unlimited.
F2P has a huge advantage over P2P - You can play as much or as little as you like, without feeling obligated or guilted into doing so. Some people don't mind wasting money on nothing, even if they don't play. Good for them! Most regular people don't like to waste money needlessly.
With F2P I can play a few days a month, if that's what I like, and leave it at that.
Some argue that F2P is full of trolls and immature brats. To that I can only laugh, because anyone who has visited World of Warcraft knows just how many people like that hang out there.
The fact is that there are good and bad people in all the games.
As mentioned earlier with DDO Unlimited. Once it goes F2P, apparently it will still be possible for non paying players to get everything paying players do, except it'll take more effort and dedication.
It remains to be seen how all that pans out, of course and whether that "effort" amounts to mindless grind or actual fun time spent playing the game. But it's an interesting concept they're looking at, especially if they don't end up forcing players to rely on the CS for crafting or healing. Instead, hopefully, it will be about creating shortcuts for those who wish to use them
Any P2P game I know of so far could be made into a F2P game, successfully. As long as you keep in mind that F2P doesn't have to equal CS dependent, or limited access. Instead paying players could get experience boosts, percentage increases to loot drops and so on.
sorry to say SHAIYA online had won best graphics award in MMORPG game last year,still it is free to play =D
Shaiya does have Awesome graphics... But Aeria's AP system has completely unbalanced the gameplay in PVP. Not to mention in order to play the Ultimate Mode Characters (end-game mode) You have to buy Resurrection Runes to keep your character alive. When UM dies they get deleted if you are not wearing a Res Rune. And those puppies are NOT cheap.
So as far as I'm concerned, if you're interested in end-game playtime, Shaiya is definately not a free game.
I think you could've just used a default argument.... comeon think..... THINK.... guild wars.... ./facepalm
The fact is that F2P games can succed. W/O ANY PAYMENT. But you have to make a lot of expansions and game add-ons to pay your devs. I personally believe that F2P is standardly not thought of well. They're also very rarely being updated as much as they should. And there are incresing amounts of botters and hackers that aren't banned. Not saying games like WoW has botters or hackers within. Just soo much less. You pay for what you get in a game. There are some exception of course. Guild Wars being probably the biggest one. The first Mainstream big F2P game with a great amount of accounts. PS3 being a bigger exception. There are millions of online games on the ps3 you pay nothing for. And the devs for those games are creating more maps. Sooner or later they'll be adding add-ons etc. I hope I've made somewhat of a point. F2P games are defaulted at crap. P2P games tend to be somewhat decent throughout its lifespan, not meaning that all are.
Playing: Guild Wars and Exteel
Loved: WoW, Guild Wars, FFXI, and Lineage 2
Liked: Exteel, WAR, and Lineage 1
Hated:City of Heroes, City of Villians, Matrix Online, Runescape, and D&D Online.
Waiting For: Aion, Guild Wars 2, FFXIV, and SW:TOR
With that, though, you also cannot say that F2P is better than P2P. It all depends on the player's schedule and interests. I myself prefer P2P simply because I am a hardcore gamer and rarely waste any of my $15. Also I hate itemmalls! While i can get over exp stones, loot drops, gold drops, etc... I don't like that weap/armor enhancements, virtual steroids, and other items of that nature are allowed only to paying members (such with Shaiya:online). But i do have friends with long hour jobs or classes who cant game as much and for them it is easier to play F2P games.
As for maturity levels I have to agree that F2P games tend to attract a younger audience. Simply because it's easier to Con mommy and daddy into 10-15bucks here and there for itempoints than it is to con them outta 15bucks every month for subscription. Also... the kids whose parents don't approve of online gaming can register themselves without their parents seeing anything on a creditcard bill.
Now I won't argue about WoW having a lot of kids. But I think that is due mostly to it's VERY cartoony graphics and humorous soundclips/effects. It seems that games like WoW/Warhammer:Online are indirectly targetting young players. Whereas with Aion the atmosphere/graphcs/sound seems more down-to-Earth and maturely designed.
Of course kids will get this game if their parents allow but I dont think as many will as with F2P games or the uber cartoony games.
But I think we've strayed from the original question.....
AION.... We've established its more than likely going to be P2P... But what will the payment methods be like?
I've heard first month free $15 a month after that.... I've heard mention of grouped subscriptions like with xboxlive where i can bycards from gamestop, bestbuy, etc with 3,6, and 12month subscriptions on them....
I know in asia they have the hourly rate cards but I dont think the US or EU support that so I doubt we'll see it.
But what is the actual payment method. I personally would like to know before i fork out the $50bucks to pre-order this game.
is it strictly $15 a month every month no questions asked?
Or will there be "subscription cards" for those of us who prefer to pay anually or semi-anually?
Personally, as far as the discussion with p2p vs. f2p, I don't mind paying a subscription for a game if I enjoy it enough to pay the fee. You see, the great thing about paying a subscription is that the companies feed off of their subscribers. If people continue to subscribe for a game, then the company is getting money that they can use to improve the game, update content, improve customer service, etc. Yes, pay a subscription. An MMO is not like a regular game, where it's released as a finished product, an MMO evolves and gets better over time, just as the players do in-game. Therefor, if I know that my money is going to the devs who are constantly improving my ingame experience, then I'm fine with that!
Now, as far as f2p being crappy I'll not say anything. I haven't found a f2p game that has caught my attention to actually play it, and I HATE item malls. You either buy an item that does nothing to improve your game experience, or you have items that put you at a huge advantage, which is unfair to those who are just playing the game because it's free. That's how those games reel in their income though, and whatever works they can go for it. I don't care.
Typically speaking, f2p without spending your entire paycheck in an item mall and starving your family, usually lack in game quality. You just go from point a to point b. There are a lot of games out there like this. Of course, some aren't, but yeah...It's just disappointing. Aion is an extraordinary game, in-depth character personalization, wonderful graphics, new combat mechanics, a fresh game world, intriguing lore, it's something I would subscribe to. NCSoft knows that, and that's why they made it subscription based, because they know it's good enough for people to actually want to subscribe. You can play one of the many anime-style graphics, unbalanced class, simpleton character games out there for free, but that's not my taste. I look for something more. I've played too many free to play games, and they really can't compete.
Exceptions for the no-subscription required: Guild Wars (you have to buy the game though), Perfect World (The graphics gave me a headache, and my computer runs it on "High Quality", full graphics. Other than that, I hear it's pretty fun.), and Diablo.
Diablo is a good game, and you play it online with others over battle.net. There is no character creation as far as looks, but you do have a talent tree, and you can invest your skills as you wish, so in that sense it works. The gear system in Diablo is somewhat similar to WoW, but not exactly. Diablo 2 is a lot of fun to play, the clicking combat is addictive as I'll get out, and the game costs a whole of 20 bucks for the battle chest. Keep an eye out for Diablo III too! Other than those three, I've not found a fulfilling no subscription MMO. There are fun, I guess, games out there, but nothing I would play for over a month.
This message of course is based on opinion just as every other post on this topic, so you may not have the same opinion, and that's fine. Please express them, or you can even send me a PM to curse me out if you want, but that will hurt my feelings.
Argh
Well it is $15 but you can get a disscount for buying 3,6 months in advance. also any plaync time cards can be used to pay for this games sub.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Alright So I can actually go out and grab a 3 or 6 month subcription card with cash and just renew as needed... That was my big thing cause I have no credit cards. So awesome! I'll definately be pre-ordering On monday then. Thanks much
Play to Achieve thank god.
None of that so called 'Free to Play' nonsense around here thankyouverymuch.
Pay the gods to play the game.
PS - All mammals have nipples.
Get over it already.