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  • AyaseAyase Aion Community CoordinatorMember Posts: 118
    Originally posted by Hoplites

    Originally posted by ronan32

    Originally posted by SgtFrog


    no eu/na beta testing


    http://eu.aiononline.com/en/news/article/the_aion_faq_has_been_updated

     

    why test what has already been tested?

     

    Reinforcement in finding any bugs, making sure the translations are good to go, advertising the game to a wider spectrum of gamers.

    There are many reasons they should consider beta testing for NA/EU.  Just because they were burned with the L2 beta doesn't mean they should be gun shy about having a beta for NA/EU.

    That's exactly the role that our Preview Events will fill. They will help us to get ready for start, make a final check on localization and gather certain feedback. We feel that we can best facilitate these needs, as well as your wish to try the game before launch, by hosting these events. :)

    There still seem to several fundamental misconceptions on the matter - So please check my blog post on the matter if you haven't already:

    http://eu.aiononline.com/en/community/article/ayase_solves_the_mystery_of_the_preview_events

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  • OdenBladeOdenBlade Member UncommonPosts: 66
    Originally posted by daemon


    I dont think they have anything to hide or any problems with the game at all but I think this isnt the best move to make with WAR coming out soon and the next WoW expansion in the near future.
    Aion isnt well known, it has huge potential but the advertising seem to lack. At least 1 or 2 weeks open beta period is needed to get more hype and publicity in EU and NA.
    Word spreads out fast if more people can get to try the game and start talking/posting positive things about it.
    Being open out there shows more confidence also.
    We read alot about Korean beta and watch videos and stuff but let people try the game or the competition wont even get scratched.



     

    I agree whit you.

  • OdenBladeOdenBlade Member UncommonPosts: 66
    Originally posted by Ephimero


    well, I dont know about that Daemon, think that with a completely open beta, some people who want this game to fail will log in just to find a thing they dislike and post it in every forum making drama out of that. Example, a quest asks you to kill 3 pigs, and then the guy comes here saying that the game is just another korean grinder.
    With this way, they are most likely sure that everyone who tries the game before the release are the ones with an open mind about it, which might end up better for the word of mouth player made advertisement.
     
    I always try to check out why do people do certain things, and that's what I came up with, must admit I have been thinking 2 days tho, this was a kinda hard one.



     

    Well that is what a game company most prepard for do you really think that ncsoft is the only one ho get this kind of ppl all game company out there must face that.

  • CyntheCynthe Member UncommonPosts: 1,414

    Someone brought on WAR.... Excuse me but with all their marketing way ahead of time what have they accomplished? They've had to announce cutbacks on anticipated content, would it have been better if the community had had only vague information about this, rather then promises that will be added post launch and many of your fans freaking out over it? Honesty I hope they launch in the fall as slated (?) So I can see the drama unfold. Though I'd be happier if they had a smooth launch just because we NEED a good launch.

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by Cynthe


    Why this a surprise is still a mystery to me. They've first told us there were for sure to be some sort of testing  but gave no specifics, it's clear NCsoft was concentrating on the Korean betas and only entertained the notion of an english beta... What we are getting are ways to preview the game and a hint that there will be a stress test.. In other words an OP for us, or a preview event for everyone or something like that...
    I don't find that depressing.. ? Feel free to convince me otherwise. ^_^

    Games need trials and beta or otherwise the company has something to hide.

    Almost all games have free beta nowadays.



     

    Please stop with the childish conspiracy theories. No seriously, just stop.

    They have nothing to "hide". The game has already been beta testing in Korea for quite a long time and they have been very open about it, no NDA whatsoever.

    Why does it need to have a beta test here again? The only thing thats different is the language, you dont need a beta test for that.

    The cold hard fact of the matter is that NCsoft does NOT owe you a beta test as you haven't paid them a penny for it. Let me remind you that a beta test is not a free trial.

  • nubiliusnubilius Member UncommonPosts: 39
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by Cynthe


    Why this a surprise is still a mystery to me. They've first told us there were for sure to be some sort of testing  but gave no specifics, it's clear NCsoft was concentrating on the Korean betas and only entertained the notion of an english beta... What we are getting are ways to preview the game and a hint that there will be a stress test.. In other words an OP for us, or a preview event for everyone or something like that...
    I don't find that depressing.. ? Feel free to convince me otherwise. ^_^

    Games need trials and beta or otherwise the company has something to hide.

    Almost all games have free beta nowadays.



     

    Please stop with the childish conspiracy theories. No seriously, just stop.

    They have nothing to "hide". The game has already been beta testing in Korea for quite a long time and they have been very open about it, no NDA whatsoever.

    Why does it need to have a beta test here again? The only thing thats different is the language, you dont need a beta test for that.

    The cold hard fact of the matter is that NCsoft does NOT owe you a beta test as you haven't paid them a penny for it. Let me remind you that a beta test is not a free trial.

     

    I agree with you on this, and for people who say that you need an beta to get word around about the game.. come on seriously? Looking at site stats alone there are 886,876 members to this site. At least 100,000 of them know of Aion, and out of those people all that like what they see I am sure they will spread the word onto others.

  • ShinJezusShinJezus Member Posts: 23
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by Cynthe


    Why this a surprise is still a mystery to me. They've first told us there were for sure to be some sort of testing  but gave no specifics, it's clear NCsoft was concentrating on the Korean betas and only entertained the notion of an english beta... What we are getting are ways to preview the game and a hint that there will be a stress test.. In other words an OP for us, or a preview event for everyone or something like that...
    I don't find that depressing.. ? Feel free to convince me otherwise. ^_^

    Games need trials and beta or otherwise the company has something to hide.

    Almost all games have free beta nowadays.



     

    Please stop with the childish conspiracy theories. No seriously, just stop.

    They have nothing to "hide". The game has already been beta testing in Korea for quite a long time and they have been very open about it, no NDA whatsoever.

    Why does it need to have a beta test here again? The only thing thats different is the language, you dont need a beta test for that.

    The cold hard fact of the matter is that NCsoft does NOT owe you a beta test as you haven't paid them a penny for it. Let me remind you that a beta test is not a free trial.

    Yeah, as if we can trust Korean players feedback on the game, they all love grindgames and think it's fun.  For god sakes, remember the Korean guys that died from playing those crappy games nonstop and never eating or taking a piss/shit? 

     

    WoW is gonna kill this game anyway, sorry but it's the truth. 

  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860
    Originally posted by ShinJezus


    Yeah, as if we can trust Korean players feedback on the game, they all love grindgames and think it's fun. 
    How many koreans do you know?What makes you think that the Korean players had any kind of insight, excepting in bug reporting? Have you followed the beta reports at all?


    For god sakes, remember the Korean guys that died from playing those crappy games nonstop and never eating or taking a piss/shit? 
     Yes, I also remember a girl selling her body for an epic mount, an american pair who stopped feeding their baby cause of MMORPGs, etc, etc. Your point being?
    WoW is gonna kill this game anyway, sorry but it's the truth. 
    The only think wow can kill is brain cells.

     Further clarifications from Ayase in aionsource.com

     




    Is there going to be an "Open Beta"?

    We won't have anything that goes by the specific name 'Open Beta' in the EU/US, but the Preview Events we are to hold next year will allow you to play the game (from home) and help us prepare for launch as well as give feedback. The game has been going through a good amount of testing already, and that in combination with the Preview Events and other future tests will ensure that Aion is a good and solid product by launch.



    How will we select participants for the Preview Events?

    We will be selecting players in several different ways. This is something we're looking into right now. GC2008 and PAX will be the first chances to secure slots. But there will be plenty of other ways yet to be announced. Once we are ready to expand on our plans we may also be able to give you more information on the scale of the events.



    What countries or languages are the Preview Events going to be in?

    The Preview Events will be available to players from the territories we support at NCE and NCA. English will definitely be supported, but I can't say yet whether French and German will also be in there.



    If there is no beta, how will NA/EU players be able to have any input in the game?

    As is the nature of most MMO's, development is perpetual, meaning that the importance of feedback does not stand or fall with the limited time period of 'beta testing' - a facility used to discover glitches and bugs in preparation for release. Development is ongoing and feedback will accordingly be required on an ongoing basis. The Preview Events are an excellent opportunity for us to ask for this community feedback on parts of the game and major issues, and they will also help us to stress test the servers and otherwise prepare for release day.



    We know what the game is good for and can't wait to show it off to a broader audience with the help of the Preview Events. We're working frenetically to get the game entirely ready for this and as I've said before - it's a bumpy road we're travelling. It takes some time to get there. Just as Rome wasn't built over a night, neither are the preparations we are going through right now. What you can count on for sure, however, is that we will keep informing you whenever we have new things to report or if something for some reason would take a turn. That's why we're here and that's why we'll remain here.


     

  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463
    Originally posted by Cynthe


    Someone brought on WAR.... Excuse me but with all their marketing way ahead of time what have they accomplished? They've had to announce cutbacks on anticipated content, would it have been better if the community had had only vague information about this, rather then promises that will be added post launch and many of your fans freaking out over it? Honesty I hope they launch in the fall as slated (?) So I can see the drama unfold. Though I'd be happier if they had a smooth launch just because we NEED a good launch.

     

    Despite all that more players know about WAR than Aion.  The adevertising campaign hasn't been in full throttle for Aion yet.

    Ayase I am looking foward to the preview events but I am still unsure about how extensive they will be given a one week beta or even a month of beta is a vast amount of time that may not be able to be replicated by preview events at gaming conventions.

  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860

    Notice that those preview events will be at your home, not in games conventions. It will work like when this site provides free trials.

  • CyntheCynthe Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Hoplites



    Despite all that more players know about WAR than Aion.  The advertising campaign hasn't been in full throttle for Aion yet.

     

    Despite all that more people would know about WAR regardless, I mean it's Warhammer.... While Aion is made by a company largely regarded as grind loving.. Which one is a tougher sell from the get go?

    Should that mean Aion deserves more marketing? No it means it deserves to right amount of marketing just before launch. Let it be seen everywhere and then hit them with it. If the game is as good as I think it will sell and people will play it more and more because its proven to be a good game, unlike the hype monsters we've had who've known months of fail post after fail post by disillusioned customers in official forums..

    Of course I could be horribly wrong. :)

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  • M1sf1tM1sf1t Member UncommonPosts: 1,583

    Ummmmm......wasn't this game already beta tested in Korea? The only testing they'd need to do would be related to translation of the US/EU client and that IMHO can be done without a massive open beta ( free to play session ). As for US/EU players having input into the game well that is not done via an "Open Beta". An "Open Beta" is nothing more then a marketing event and stress test for servers. I have never seen a "Open Beta" where devs have changed their game in any meaningful way because of the suggestions of "Open Beta" players. In fact by the time a game reaches a "Open Beta" state it is pretty much going to play the same way as it would during it's launch period. The most input achieved by players usually comes before or after the "Open Beta" period.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,969
    Originally posted by ShinJezus


    Yeah, as if we can trust Korean players feedback on the game, they all love grindgames and think it's fun.  For god sakes, remember the Korean guys that died from playing those crappy games nonstop and never eating or taking a piss/shit? 
     
    WoW is gonna kill this game anyway, sorry but it's the truth. 



     

    sigh.

    first off you need to read the closed beta info from the beta players in korea. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

    Secondly, there have been players in wow who have died from not eating or taking care of themselves.

    Thirdly, WoW will not "kill" anything. It is very much a force unto itself and exists slightly outside all of these games. By your remark, WoW should be killing many more games, especially many of the older games with smaller pops. But the reality is that they are still there.

    WoW is a cultural phenomenom and because of this has an appeal that transcends regular online games. People need to understand that.

    Having said that, I truly believe Aion will be a niche game becuase it's subject seems a bit to detached from what "regular" players might be able to relate to. Not that it will fail. Hardly so. But I can see more players going to games like Warhammer than Aion.

    Also, keep in mind this is the only game that i am waiting for. I have absolutely no intention of playing any of the other new games coming up and if Aion delivers whtat I want then I will quit my main game. And even in that light I still think it will be a niche game.

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  • scabzyscabzy Member UncommonPosts: 94

    you want closed beta or open beta aion you get a korean account...

    NA/EU NCsoft their job is only translation, and fix minor bugs created by translation, they can stress test servers with bots, so if they dont put a beta on NA/EU thats becuz the client will be already delt with in korea, not that they want to hide a failure....

     

  • SweBlackbirdSweBlackbird Member UncommonPosts: 64

    I knew this should  be small amount of beta testers but already have try it on Koreans Beta thought.

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  • Rio_AionRio_Aion Member Posts: 34

    Aion is no longer in need of a CBT, am I the only one that  sees this as a step forward?  If they don't need anymore CBT, do you really expect them to halt development to stay in the CBT phase?  I, for one, am glad they don't. 

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  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by Rio_Aion


    Aion is no longer in need of a CBT, am I the only one that  sees this as a step forward?  If they don't need anymore CBT, do you really expect them to halt development to stay in the CBT phase?  I, for one, am glad they don't. 

     

    Did you play to lvl 35 yet? Nothing past lvl 40 is in game yet and no quest when you reach lvl 35.

    There is a lot of beta still needed.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,969
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by Rio_Aion


    Aion is no longer in need of a CBT, am I the only one that  sees this as a step forward?  If they don't need anymore CBT, do you really expect them to halt development to stay in the CBT phase?  I, for one, am glad they don't. 

     

    Did you play to lvl 35 yet? Nothing past lvl 40 is in game yet and no quest when you reach lvl 35.

    There is a lot of beta still needed.



     

    No there's not. The max lvl is 50 I believe. It is more than possible that all systems that they needed tested have been tested an that anything from 40 to 50 just requires in house testing.

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  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    sorry but i agree with other posters here saying this is not a good idea. Open Beta's are definitely a combination of marketing and stress testing of the servers. Here in NA...other than this forum...i see no advertising for this game what so ever.....while all the other mmos of late, even potbs, have been been advertised to some extent. I am not dissing the game, nor the people who would like to play it, i just thinkno open beta + no advertiing is bad marketing.

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  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860
    Originally posted by miagisan


    sorry but i agree with other posters here saying this is not a good idea. Open Beta's are definitely a combination of marketing and stress testing of the servers. Here in NA...other than this forum...i see no advertising for this game what so ever.....while all the other mmos of late, even potbs, have been been advertised to some extent. I am not dissing the game, nor the people who would like to play it, i just thinkno open beta + no advertiing is bad marketing.

     

    The advertising stage is about to start, and the stress testing/marketing manuvers will take place with these preview event passes. It's a like limited open beta, just that it won't be through fileplanet.

  • Rio_AionRio_Aion Member Posts: 34

    And how exacty do you know, "There is a lot of beta still needed"  No, I haven't played either but just the fact that NCsoft is done with beta, kinda leads me to believe, they don't need beta anymore.... idk just a wild guess >.>

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  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860
    Originally posted by IceAge

    So Ephi , save trip to GC ,and bring us some nice screens/videos/interviews to watch them while we wait for Aion to go live ;)

     

    I will indeed, can't wait to take as many pictures as I can, the first thing I'll do is taking pictures of the whole stand, and then I'll get myself in the long queue to play Aion, while Mark or Lyan records me! :D (im going with them ^^)

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by IceAge

    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by Rio_Aion


    Aion is no longer in need of a CBT, am I the only one that  sees this as a step forward?  If they don't need anymore CBT, do you really expect them to halt development to stay in the CBT phase?  I, for one, am glad they don't. 

     

    Did you play to lvl 35 yet? Nothing past lvl 40 is in game yet and no quest when you reach lvl 35.

    There is a lot of beta still needed.



     

    You again? Aren't you the guy bashing Aion on every thread because you were saying that Aion must started like 1-2 years ago ? And that you are angry like a little chiled for not playing the game early?

    Again , stop bashing Aion because you are crying for not playing it early , and make yourself a good by staying away from it till it goes live. Or just go and bash other game, because I for sure will NOT cry for the fact that you don't want to play Aion anymore , or because you don't have faith anymore in the NcSoft staff.

     

    People will be much more critical of Aion once the official forums are up than I am. So start getting used to it, it happens in every game. First fans flock the forums and later actual players who will notice mistakes and post about it, often in a negative way. I did VG beta / EQ beta and AoC beta it happens for every game. I played CBT3 for a few hours and there was no noticable content past lvl 40 and quests ended around lvl 35 while the max is lvl 50, that's all the experience I have right now and a lot of content is missing.

    I'll say whatever I like about the game and dislike, that's why we discuss it, not to praise it and slimeball it. I see both good and bad sides in Aion. A lot of content isn't in yet.

    And don't ever quote me again.

  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by IceAge

    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by Rio_Aion


    Aion is no longer in need of a CBT, am I the only one that  sees this as a step forward?  If they don't need anymore CBT, do you really expect them to halt development to stay in the CBT phase?  I, for one, am glad they don't. 

     

    Did you play to lvl 35 yet? Nothing past lvl 40 is in game yet and no quest when you reach lvl 35.

    There is a lot of beta still needed.



     

    You again? Aren't you the guy bashing Aion on every thread because you were saying that Aion must started like 1-2 years ago ? And that you are angry like a little chiled for not playing the game early?

    Again , stop bashing Aion because you are crying for not playing it early , and make yourself a good by staying away from it till it goes live. Or just go and bash other game, because I for sure will NOT cry for the fact that you don't want to play Aion anymore , or because you don't have faith anymore in the NcSoft staff.

     

    People will be much more critical of Aion than I am. So start getting used to it. I played CBT for a few hours, that's all the experience I have right now and a lot of content is missing.

    And don't qoute me again.



     

    WoW , in few hours you saw that there are contents that they are missing in the game? You seems to be a "good" beta tester . Anyway , I don't think you`ve played Aion or maybe you did , so can you please share us some prints you`ve made? ( You did make some screens , don't you? )

    Hence , I will qoute you as many time as I want and I am glad you realise that's about you.

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  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860

    Yeah, no screenshots->no credibility pretty much.

    About the lack of content after level 35, where did you read that? I assume you had to read it since you only played a pair of hours, but I also assume you're bullshitting us cause every single report I've read from CBT 3 states the oppossite. Right now the main problems in beta are the lack of balance between Elyos and Asmodians, and problems with optimization in the abyss, which are being solved.

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